Tundra vs. F-150 vs. TRX vs. Snow: What Do You REALLY Need To Make It Through A Blizzard?
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
0:36 Toyota Tundra (on Falken Wildpeak A/T AT3W tires)
5:25 Ford F-150 (on Pirelli Scorpion ATR tires)
9:12 Ram TRX (on Goodyear Wrangler Territory A/T tires)
13:34 Wrap-up - Auta a dopravní prostředky
This is nearly pointless unless you’re using the same tires.
They don't come with the same exact tire from the dealer.
Hold your horses brother. I would rather see it perform with what the manufacturer put on it. The don’t come with the same tire out of the manufacturer plant
Also, it doesnt compare the same trim mode. Trx should be against TRD Pro. This video was not useful.
And those measurements are useless.
Agree
I love the snowy videos. Thanks guys for getting out in the cold and doing them.
Good job Andre. Yes i think that the TRX just has the best tires. 700 hp is probably overkill, but a wise man, my dad, told me, that it is better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
Andre always bringing us the best comparisons. I'm guessing that new all-terrain tires with the mountain snowflake rating are in Andre's future, for his truck. 😀😀
I just want to thank you guys for posting consistently awesome content. For me it’s just 10-30mins out of my day but for you guys to be out there, acquiring sweet rides, setting up the tests, being clear that sometimes you’re biased or opinionated but still being quite honestly surprised when a vehicle you hate takes a win. When you guys do the tests there’s always a cameraman and extra cameras. I love and appreciate the sacrifice of enduring rough weather to get good video. I’ve been watching TFL for 2 years now and I’m sorry but I just had to show my appreciation. So
Thank you!
I have Duratracs on my Tundra for the winter. Those tires are pretty impressive in snow ❄. I sure like them. If all 3 trucks had similar tires, results would be quite different.
I got rid of those cheesy factory tires as well and put duratracs major difference! Not surprised that the truck with more aggressive tires did better in snow
Snow is more of a tire competition than truck completion
Good thing this is just fun entertainment, with a few useful insights along the way.
all will be good with Blizzaks or comparable. Not even close otherwise
Any and all Tundra or TRX videos are my absolute favorite to watch from TFL. Another great video coming out of TFL.
this test should be done with the same tires because in this weather situation the tires are everything
Yes. A bit of a miss here.
But as usual, that would take planning and effort, not just 50min of continuous rambling
Very good video! Love these comparisons and seeing the trucks play around in the snow! I would have preferred to have a benchmark truck and tires in this case the TRX and it's tires come first, and see how much better or worse the typical truck and tire combinations are. Kind of spent the video not knowing what good or bad would be so I never had an opinion on good or bad until near the end of the video.
Since we already know that the tires make a huge difference, why not get winter rims for each truck (Toyota/ford/ram/Chevy) and then get a tire company to sponsor it where you get four exact sets of their tires that you know are going to fit all the trucks and then do the comparison properly and then you can actually make some real conclusions instead of just mickey mousing the results.
I remember driving a transit bus through the snow in New Jersey. Lots of fun😆. Passengers so happy we were still running in bad weather.
what part of nj?
Drove the 166. From NYC Port Authority Bus Terminal out to Westwood NJ.
@@theirthereandtheyre2947 oh wow thats amesome! the reason why i asked because i live in oakland nj, so pretty close! thanks for sharing!
very fun video. the FORD definitely at a disadvantage. Not necessarily the brand of tires, but he mileage should be taken into account. They were probably half worn out. PLUS, why didn't Andre use "Slippery" mode?? Snow/Sand mode doesn't seem appropriate here. The TRX did sound ominous going up the hill.
I’m a ford guy at heart but I bought a tundra and I’ll tell you Toyota is better all the way
@@kimmadison5504 ... hii. So, you bought a 2022 Tundra??
Since the Ford and Toy didn't have 4x4 auto, I probably would have set the Ram to 4x4 versus 4x4 auto. Not sure it would have made a difference just an observation. Still enjoyed the vid and I think what it tells us about tires.
Hey Andre, would love it if you could do a winter tire special like this. As I mentioned to Tommy, you could do a before and after siping test. I have a duramax like you had, tried it with ekstra siped General grabber 3pms AT/2 tires for the first time this year. I have never had this good tires before, and i usually run Nokian studded tires on my truck. You absolutely should try it, and it would make a great episode 😊👌
That snowy view is just gorgeous. Thank you.
We get a ton of lake effect snow in Michigan. I get through the snow and ice with a simple front wheel drive open differential with real snow tires. I swap from summer to winter in late fall. No real need for 4 wheel drive
Lol, Roman literally just explained in a recent video why they don't change the tires to be all the same in these tests... and yet, look at the comments 🤦♂️ Its called real world testing you guys, take each truck directly off the lot and see what happens, thats the logic you all cant wrap your minds around. Not every snow video has to be a tire test, only in a SCIENTIFIC NON REAL WORLD TEST would that be true.
Thank you for this reminder!
Exactly, they don’t make any modifications for a reason. Too many variables and variations to modify. Not to mention the additional cost.
Its all about the tires....
The actual deep snow mode is if you are pushing the snow with your front bumper. That’s not exactly realistic until you put better tires on the F150 and Tundra. Not a criticism, just pointing it out.
Having formerly sold tires since 1979, the a Pirellis are not a very good tire really, especially in this environment. I can see the Falcons are better just by looking at them. Falcon is using a bit more silica in the tire compound as well. Silica was really revolutionary in building tires. It has to a larger degree changed the temperature where you crossover to Winter tires being better than All season tires. It is the primary reason the new All weather tires exist! The silica keeps the tire softer in weather colder than +7C and really down closer to right at freezing. The reverse is the same in heat dissipation. The silica makes the tires much more tolerant to warmer temperatures and true winter tires will last better even up to +15C or about 50 degrees F. It expands the range on all tires. It definitely helps them last if you don’t make them too soft with silica.
All weather tires are neither winter or all season tires and one of the originals stays true to the design intent. Nokian makes the WRG4S and other WRG tires with all weather ratings, depending on which vehicle you put them on. They are quite aggressive, have a bit of road noise, but do a very good job in winter right down to -30 and colder. They do last reasonably well in the summer and over the years, they have improved longevity leaps and bounds. If you had them before and they didn’t last well,,, very possible,,, they do actually last pretty well now. In very high temperatures they still wear faster than an all season. Toyo Celsius are close to the same, but are a better tire for longevity, and as such not quite as good as the thermometer drops. There will ALWAYS be a give and take. Silica, just made that a larger difference now. The tread design is the second, huge factor in effectiveness.
Instead of 3 types of tires, there are now 4.
Summer only
All season. Really only a 3 season tire as I would avoid most cold winters below freezing with all season tires.
All “weather”. Most tires claiming this are TRUE 4 season tires. This is dependant upon where you live the further south you live, I wouldn’t even
recommend these, especially if you normally do not get frost. They just won’t last like you would prefer.
Winter Tires.
Winter and summer are self explanatory.
If you buy really cheap and inexpensive tires, you get what you pay for. There are winter rated tires I wouldn’t recommend in winter as they have very hard tread compounds.
Stick to mid grade or higher tires. Remember that if you have high quality All weather tires, you will have paid much less than if you own mid grade All seasons for spring to fall and then drive in winters in the winter. If you can swing it, buy some huh quality All weather tires.
BFG KO2s are actually a high quality All weather rated tire that performs very well. .
Falcon Wildpeak AT3W are a mid grade All weather rated tire that also performs very well. (They have proven themselves quite well.)
Ever since the Nokian WRG tires arrived I have had them on my wife’s CUVs and SUVs. I did try the Michelin Cross Climates and they are better in slush, but not better all around in my region. Each change in climate zone will generate different tires that perform better than others. All of my 4x4 trucks are running All Weather rated tires. I have classics that basically stay parked in the bad weather other than rain. All except my 2021 F150 I just took delivery of, are now on BFGs again. I have tried Firestone, Michelin (excellent highway and city all weather tires!), Toyo Cooper (the primary brand I sold) and Falcons. I have my favourites as we all do. I don’t sell tires anymore and am now retired!!! I sold my tire shop. Yayyyyyy!!
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Thanks for the explanation of different tires and types, great info👍
Great video Andrea, I'm sure you had fun playing in the snow, I know I enjoyed watching.
Love that Andre wears that winter hat!! LMAO. You build such great excitement for the segment.
My F150 had Pirelli tires when I bought it. Worst tires I ever saw in my life. I had KO2s within a month.
Hey Andre, I always love watching TFL videos. This was a fun video, but I have to say, it is COMPLETELY a tire video. I'm a tire guy and been in the industry almost 20 year. If you had the same tires on each vehicle, then you could say which "Truck" performs better in the snow (maybe in a future video?), tho you could say which truck comes with the better OE Tires.
I would not go and buy a $77,000 truck because it performed better than the other cheaper trucks in this video... unless I wanted it for other reasons too maybe. I would just get better tires for whatever truck I wanted for other reasons. That said. Looks like you had a blast making this video, and keep up the good work. Cheers!
p.s. I have a deposit on a Tundra SR5 w/ TRD Off Road Package up here in Alberta Canada and should see it in May. I can't wait to own it :)
Would love to see another same/similar car/truck test with different tires, but with whatever you think the best snow tires available are (not just the ones manufacturers will send you). I would be happy to come by (from SLC-area with a kid in Boulder) with my 2018 Landcruiser with Nokian Hakkepelitta R3s and I’m sure you can scare up several more LC200s with Blizzaks and other good snow tires in your area. That would be a pretty interesting test to me. Maybe even a modified LC200 with oversize ATs to really get a sense of how the different options work. We ran KO2s year-round until we got stuck after a giant snow storm last year in Alta at the Goldminer’s Daughter and I haven’t had the opportunity to see if these tires would have made a difference (although they are great in snow). The downside is I self-limited off road driving when we went to Moab over MLK as I was afraid the soft compound and heavily sipped tread pattern would cause the tires to get ripped apart on rocky roads. Would really love to know how much of difference true snow tires really make on a heavy truck/SUV.
Minnesota boy here. 2014 Raptor with KO2 tires, Torsen front axle, locking rear, second gear start. Would love to compare.
I love how they do real reviews and up in the mountains where it’s tougher on the trucks
My Powerboost Lariat Sport came with Goodyear Wrangler Territory AT m+s tires. I have been pleasantly surprised on their snow performance. Not as good as a dedicated snow tire especially on our steep driveway when it’s Icey. However it has zero problem climbing. That being said Andrey the Slippery mode with 4Auto has been impressively good this winter.
Good job Andre and TFL! This is one of the things I wanted to know.
Thank you for watching.
This was a tire test. And surprise, surprise, the chunkiest tires (also having the best grip) won. It would be cool to see all the 4wd pickups you guys have run the same tire say a blizzak or michelin dedicated winter tire, and then compare the trucks as you did in this test. That type of test would show any mechanical and software differences between these trucks. Still a fun video, thanks @TflTruck
Lol, they could call that a "perfect world test".
Let me just say the abs system was the quietest on the Ram, the Tundra sounded like it was gonna fall apart. Snow mode vs just about any other in Dodge, Ram, Jeep is very limiting. It de-tunes the vehicle and makes them not very responsive to throttle input. Need to use something sand or sport to take of traction control.
This video shows that the proper grip is everything. The weather conditions look just like in Sweden. And in Sweden it's mandatory to have a proper winter tires (not all-round or M/S) during the winter. Only special winter tires with metall studs or at least proper sipings and softer rubber compound will work in such conditions.
Most people that live in snow country know you have to have snow tire plan and simple I swap all my vehicles too snow tires and the width makes a big difference. So tires are skinnier better in the snow with studs
You hit it right, this was a great TIRE review. for what works and doesn't in the snow!
Great video, I always like these tests. I am actually surprised that Bridgestone does not sponsor you guys yet being that there is a Bridgestone Blizzaks driving school in Colorado. It would be awesome to see the difference on how the trucks perform with the blizzaks. And obviously Bridgestone should be outfitting your trucks with the Blizzaks along with sponsoring. To many people think that AT tires with the snow flake rating perform just as good as dedicated snow tires.
Andre, great video.. again…. Put some BFG ko2’s on your F-150 like I did this winter and you’ll be amazed. I had the Goodyear AT Kevlar’s before these ko2’s . What a difference.
Great video guys..my only suggestion is to always have the same types of tires on all the trucks to make it an apples to apple comparison. All terrain tires are not created equal when it comes to snow and ice.
It’s Great when you can make a truck/tire comparison with a beautiful view.
I run Toyo Open Country AT3's. They're pretty similar to the Falken Wildpeak and I have had a great full 12 months on them on/offroad in snow, mud, dry heat, and wet leaves.
How are they wearing? There on my short list.
@@hansgruber7680 Very good
Andre, if I am not mistaken after looking at the 3rd truck test, the first two trucks do not have 4-Auto, and you test them in 4H. I think you should have put the 3rd truck in 4H since it do have that option. So I do not think the start off was the same for the 3rd truck compare to the Toyota and the Ford. I am sure that the computer will take a few second to decide it need to engage 4wheel drive after it detected slippage. The first two truck was already in 4 wheel drive and the 3rd truck will be a rear wheel drive until it detect slippage and then engage all 4.
The Tundra needs a visit to your friends at 5 star tuning. They could do wonders with that engine. Plus you need better/ bigger tires on the Tundra.
big tires are a no no on snow. skinner tires that sipe well cut through snow and drive well on ice. This is a common mistake. Big tires ride up on ice and snow, your want them to cut through it
Remember, there are All Season tires and All Season M&S rated tires. M&S tires are necessary in snow. Comparing different vehicles with different tires is pretty useless. Driving subsequent vehicles in the same track path as previous vehicles is also not making a relevant comparison. Results and comparison commentary about “probably” make this review pretty much invalid. This review should have been titled tire comparison in the snow.
"This review should have been titled tire comparison in the snow."
It's not even that because they're got those three tires being compared on three very different trucks. This just doesn't work at all.
Great tire review - the trx tires were way better - not even close to the others. Put some hakka, or hankook or other proper winter tires on the other 2, and do the test again, you'll see very different results. (from a life long Northern New Englander with 50 years of driving in the deep snows in the mountains).
It's all about tires 4 sure no matter what ur driving
That country side is beautiful with that snow.
So good to see the rex out again
Love your truck Andre 👍🏻
LOL…. Oh those Pirellis on the F150. I swapped mine out up North here… they were a death trap.
For real! Those tires wouldn’t survive a winter in Alaska. Or, the owners wouldn’t survive.
It's getting harder to not like Rams.
Well it's very good that you didn't have the Honda Ridgeline there because those other trucks wouldn't have a chance I know you knew that so that's why you didn't bring the Ridgeline, well you definitely have to give the Lesser competition a chance I do agree with that!!!
Texting tires more than anything. Thanks for the vid 👍🏽
Thanks!
Where are all the Rivian videos?
Ew
Love the snow videos.
Gotta love how the TRX won basically because of tires. Not really a fair comparison. Next they will say the TRX wins in a straight race because of the super charger. Not everybody can afford a TRX, but everyone could afford a XL f150. If you live in snowy conditions, most likely you will upgrade to better winter tires anyways. Funny how the TRX is the truck to get, yet the F150 is his personal vehicle. I liked the video, but let’s be honest, not really comparing apples to apples here. More like apples, oranges, and pairs.
I have a TRX and it's soooooooooooooooooooo much better than any Frors ever made. It's not just the performance either. The interior is like centuries ahead of Ford. Sorry, not sorry. Any Ram is going to kill a Ford in a rela world comparison. Do yourself a favor and go test drive a Ram and become one of the millions of Gord owners who have realized that Ford is screwing them over.
I love your videos.
But I have request. Please do more video with the gen 3 raptor and compare it to the trx in offroad.
Nobody takes TRX off road. Watch Matts Off Road Towing to see how useless they are in sand and dessert.
My truck from 05 has 4 auto, I don’t understand why newer trucks don’t add it
It’s a lot better than 4wd for rain and light snow. 4H is a bit too much imo
No
Same here. 05 avalanche with 4wd auto works great.
Tires make a tremendous difference in those conditions. Put the same tires on each and redo the test. Probably will get better performance on the Ford and Toyota when you do that but the TRX is built for the fun and would still take the two down easily.
They always test the vehicles with the factory tires on them. I would like to see those Wrangler tires on the F-150 work truck and see how it does, though. :)
That just ups the cost by $2k to do a video. They just test with factory trucks wearing factory tires to show you what you can expect with your new truck (or a new truck you are thinking about)
That and he should’ve used to the same ram truck he used in the articulation video to be fair and bring in the trx when they have a trd pro
It's for the real world new consumer. So the tires that come from the dealer are best for this test vs spending 1k bux to change tires just for people to then say it only did better because the tires. However Ford offers many different rim and tire options on each trim
More than anything this just showed how badly Andre needs new tires.
Roman needs to spring for one of those wheeled measuring devices for these tests. LOL
Yes! Love snow videos from you guys. Haven’t watched a vid in a while, but the snow has brought me back.
I would have liked to see the Ford in Advance Trac Sport Mode. The snow mode just dulls the throttle response on my truck, but the ATSM with the normal drive mode seems to work the best.
it was tyre comparison?
how you can know with this test, how cars performing in snow?
Good stuff... weight of truck and tires make a big difference.
I have owned 3 F150’s, and In my experience Fords traction control is OVERLY AGGRESSIVE!
use snow mode
Once a year or so I hit up TFL for videos and it's shocking how much the video and test quality and methodologies deteriorates between views.
Do y’all run more or less tire pressure in the winter?
the first tundra brake test, was all that noise from the snow? im in florida and have zerp exp in the snow
I think it could have been the sound of the ABS kicking in. The Ford had a similar sound, though not as aggressive/frequent.
Anyone know how the newer Cooper Discoverer Rugged Trek performs in snow?
Hi Andre,
I believe that on the Ram you likely turned stability control to "Partial Off". I do find this mode helpful in snowy conditions.
Here's some useful information from the 2016 owners manual:
The TCS monitors the amount of wheel spin of each of the driven wheels. If wheel spin is detected, brake pressure is
applied to the slipping wheel(s), and engine power is reduced to provide enhanced acceleration and stability. A feature
of the TCS functions similarly to a limited-slip differential and controls the wheel spin across a driven axle. If one wheel
on a driven axle is spinning faster than the other, the system will apply the brake of the spinning wheel. This will allow
more engine torque to be applied to the wheel that is not spinning. This feature remains active even if TCS and ESC are
in the “Partial Off” mode. This brake pressure modulation transfers drive torque from slipping to non-slipping wheels to
provide optimal forward traction.
Electronic Stability Control (ESC)
The ESC system enhances directional control and stability of the vehicle under various driving conditions. ESC corrects
for oversteering or understeering of the vehicle by applying the brake of the appropriate wheel to assist in counteracting
the oversteer or understeer condition. Engine power may also be reduced to help the vehicle maintain the desired path.
ESC uses sensors in the vehicle to determine the vehicle path intended by the driver and compares it to the actual path
of the vehicle. When the actual path does not match the intended path, ESC applies the brake of the appropriate wheel
to assist in counteracting the oversteer or
understeer condition.
• Oversteer - when the vehicle is turning more than appropriate for the steering wheel position.
• Understeer - when the vehicle is turning less than appropriate for the steering wheel position.
All Ram Two-Wheel Drive Vehicles And Four-Wheel Drive Vehicles In 2WD, 4WD AUTO, Or 4WD LOCK Modes Can
Choose The following ESC Operating Modes:
ESC On
This is the normal operating mode for ESC in 2WD/4WD AUTO/4WD LOCK modes and in 2WD vehicles. This mode should
be used for almost all driving situations. ESC should only be turned to “Partial Off” or “ESC Off” for specific reasons as
noted below.
ESC Partial Off
This mode is entered by momentarily pressing the “ESC Off” switch. When in Partial Off mode, the TCS portion of ESC,
except for he “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section, has been disabled and the "ESC Off Indicator Light" will
be illuminated. All other stability features of ESC function normally. This mode is intended to be used if the vehicle is in
deep snow, sand, or gravel conditions and more wheel spin than TCS would normally allow is required to gain traction.
To turn ESC on again, momentarily press the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the normal “ESC On” mode of operation.
The above mod allows you to turn it off or on while on the fly and there are no 40mph or 30 mph aspect mentioned
below.
This Is the ESC operating mode in 4WD LOW:
ESC Full Off
This mode is intended for off-road use when ESC stability features could inhibit vehicle maneuverability due to trail
conditions. This mode is entered by pressing and holding the “ESC Off” switch for five seconds WHEN THE VEHICLE IS
STOPPED and the engine is running. After five seconds, the “ESC Off Indicator Light” will illuminate and the “ESC Off”
message will appear in the odometer. ESC and TCS except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section are
turned off until the vehicle reaches a speed of 40 mph (64 km/h). At 40 mph (64 km/h) the system returns to “Partial
Off” mode. When the vehicle speed drops below 35 mph (56 km/h) the system returns to Full Off mode. To turn ESC on
again, momentarily press the “ESC Off” switch.
Good information here,.. one thing for sure,...real snow tires do work!
Thank you for the video! I think the tundra wins and was very violent as you mentioned. Ram wins the braking due ri weight and tires. Nice job over all!
Also this test is mostly about tires.
Crazy to think my 2013 extended cab f150 weighs 100lbs more than Andre's hybrid 🤯
The way I see it the Thundra did the best on traction and the TRX on breaking
How do u compare them with all different tires of course the tires are a big difference.
For off road tests can u please go get the same tires put on all the trucks so we can actually see whats what.
Very nice.
Honey, TRX is the safest truck
In Normal mode ( the first run ) the Tundra did really well. It was much quicker and more controlled than the Ford imo. It also stopped much shorter.
Looks like the piano black is already scratching on the Yota.
It will look like chit in a couple yrs
I guess the AT4x 3.0 diesel will come and defeat all of them soon! It's always awesome content, guys.
The fact all the tires are different completely ruined the test
Can you repeat the test with another top of the line/full featured truck (e.g Raptor, Tremor, Chevy equivalent, etc)?
20 inch wheels on an off road vehicle, what was Toyota thinking?
its not for hardcore offroading, what were you expecting?
they were thinking about looks
@@MrInzombia looks?😂 Total Failure on the looks dept. Im talking about the whole truck
I think they were more so thinking efficiency. Looks is why they have an optional lift kit. Cause that looks way better.
@@tinhinnh it's not??? Why is it a TRD off road package then?
Can’t discount mass, while it’s more mass to stop, the increase in mass also increases traction. It would be interesting to know the size of contact patch vs weight per corner. Control tires would be even better, but I understand the limitation of buying tires for 1 test.
in heavy snow chains rule and are the law here in the sierra nevada mountains even with 4wd chains are required in heavy snow you cant stop
I live on the north shore of Lake Suerior, we get snow early and a lot of it. My 5.0 F150 with Hankook, all season tires, will get me anywhre I want to go. No one drives a truck like this when they drive in snow. Easy does it.
I have atturo trail blade X/T hybrid honestly they are amazing and they tend to outperform other brands in my opinion I would love for you guys to grab a pair and test them out and give your guys's opinions.
Great video guys. TRX for the win again!!
Question, why didn't you lock the diff on the TRX? It offers it.......
Cheers
Great test! Thank you. By the way you forgot red star on unshanka hat
Manufacturers need to add a snow mode for abs brakes!!! I grew up driving in snow and yes on the east coast I grew up where we get more snow than most places in the Rockies (only a few places in the Rockies get more than where I grew up). I can stop way shorter without abs!
Good thing the tundra didn’t get stuck, bc it doesn’t have any tow hooks.
Or a front locker, the tundra is a good curb crawler
Tires are always a compromise , it does seem the more aggressive all terrains are a good middle ground
That supercharger always gives me a smile
Well done, do the same with: Taco, Ranger, Colerado and Frontier...
They’ll have to wait until the new generation ranger is accessible.
kind of interesting comparison, but in my mind there are several problems here. the first truck would pack the snow, and make it slippery'er for the next truck especially if there is tire spinning. in slippery conditions a heavier vehicle has a clear advantage with traction. but I can see tires are very important in the snow from the video. love your videos.........except for when you have ford in 3rd place. lol
I hope one day you guys do a tundra Trd pro vs F-150 raptor vs ram TRX
He said exactly what I was thinking. This is in fact a tire test.
Personally I think the best is limited traction control with a driver modulating the power input. Interesting test, but I personally don't like a traction control system being able to completely override my throttle input. If I request full throttle I want wheel speed. No one should be flooring the accelerator in the snow unless the intend to get lots of tire spin.