Is Runescape 3 "Worth Playing"?
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Chest hair cam is 1st monitor content
If only he had any xD
I’m sorry you can’t experience this @Bleilock1
I think the point I typically get overwhelmed in an MMO is when I get to town, see a million different traders that seem to have their own purpose, look at three or four different ones to see they use like 2 different unique currencies each, and see that the numbers on those items go ridiculously high but I can't tell which should be done first, or whether they are even relevant content or can be skipped entirely.
Trimming the edges is something MMOs seriously need to do.
Guild wars 2 is one of the worst offenders for multiple currencies. Among the litany of other problems with the gane.
@@toastedt140 Was literally just going to mention GW2 as an example.
Then there's all those boomer players who have already played the game for 15 years who against all changes that propose trimming of outdated content. ''We cannot get rid of this outdated system nobody has used for 7 years because I had to endure it 10 years ago.''
this happened to me the first time i played neverwinter. so many dang currencies i had no idea what to do
It would be nice if parts of the UI and entire mechanics weren't explained or shown to you until you actually need them. One thing I love and it's one of the only games I've seen have it is the CK3 UI in which anything you hover over, it will give a pop up window with an in depth explanation and any other mechanics mentioned in the explanation will be highlighted and click able for further individual explanations of said mechanics. I wish every UI heavy game had the option for it
I'm so glad someone else has the same issue about how many slight optimizations are available for virtually every activity. I'm actually worried about OSRS going in a similar direction.
all the small buff stuff passing the forestry poll made me feel that worry too, osrs does not need shit like incense sticks, bonfire hp bonuses, elite skilling outfits, light form, crystal mask, soul in a box, urns, silverhawks, and so on
@@quonoa it doesn't NEED it, no. But it could be nice to have a little bit. As in all things, balance is key.
Think about every QoL and little content update OSRS has released in the last 5 years and ask yourself if you really wanted to play without them.
Also, the game has to evolve to stay alive. That's just how it is. If you want a classic experience there are plenty of private servers running the actual 2007 build.
@@magnopere or people like us can just keep playing the game and voting in the poll instead of the community becoming a hive mind?
@@quonoa Yes. this! Everytime I wanted to grind a new skill in RS3, the first question that pops up is not "What are the best methods?", rather, "What XP boosting unlocks do I need to get the best possible XP gain to train that skill?"
It's not even just the slight skill optimizations. As someone who started with RS2 and went to WoW I was so confused that I DIDNT need togo back and complete all these mandatory questlines to unlockthings vital to my character and progression.
Where coming back to RS3 if you want to do end game content even if you had Max stats in 2010 and come back to the game now, not even talking about the new skills you have legit a hundred quests you need to do to unlock pprayers, bosses,gear ect to get even close to doing "end game content
You are ten thousand percent right about videogaming.
"You don't want to be underwhelmed, you don't want to be overwhelmed. You just want to be whelmed." Josh Strife Hayes.
Whelmed is a word that's not used often enough on its own
@@landotucker I didn't even know it was a word by itself. TIL
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@@NoName-ll2mp He was just making a joke.
Basically you don't want a game to be too busy, neither too quiet. You want it to be just right.
I wish we got more rs3 content from Josh. His takes are always so easily understandable and it gives old players the feeling of being new in the game once more.
I think that desire to be optimal is part of the problem. Once you accept you don't have to be optimal 100% of the time the game becomes so much easier. And over time you find yourself integrating all of those small optimizations little by little. The game needs a way to naturally get players into this mindset somehow.
Yes, and I believe that mindset is one of the main roadblocks for OSRS players coming into RuneScape proper.
Modern gamers are just obsessed with this and its nothing any specific game can fix. Gamers are obsessed with min/maxing like a tournament level pro regardless of if its minesweeper or stamp collecting. Its a sad mindset for people who have nothing else going on for them so being PRO GAMER 24/7 is all that matters.
I started in 2006. 17 years of runescape for me. When the EOC came out a lot of people quit because they didnt like it. OSRS is basically the RS2 that I grew up playing. I don't play OSRS because I went thru that grind already, and I don't see the fun in doing it again (just for me). RS3 is a much more enjoyable experience for someone who has NEVER played runescape. It's flashier, newer, has a lot more content, and to me at least, the community is better. Every now and then I do get an itch to get onto OSRS, but I log on and see my stats are mostly level 1's and I just log off. I can't bring myself to do it again.
Is RS3 worth playing? YES.
Is it better than OSRS? That's up to you.
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Same! I've already put years into what is now rs3 and don't have as much time or drive for it. Think about all the alts you'd have to train alongside the main and everything else for osrs. And starting them all with nothing unless you transfer wealth between games. No thanks.
I agree with this. I won’t go back to OSRS as they forced my character forwards into Rs2 through EOC and then into ‘RuneScape’ we have today.
The game is becoming more and more monetised with their failed hero pass and new MTX only currencies.
Sad game.
The "I did this grind already" excuse is what I tried to use too, before I started playing, but it kind of disappears when you realise how different OSRS actually is to RS2 before EOC. You actually realise that you didn't do this grind before, not at all, the games are so vastly different that your only claim to "done this grind before" is that OSRS and RS2 are click based games.
Also EXP rates are MUCH faster and the QOL differences are worlds apart.
Also if you actually look at graphs for new players entering the game, the vast majority go to OSRS, the issue with these graphs, both for OSRS and RS3 is that they show accounts created, it can't show you who created the account.
I just started rs3 this week coming from osrs and 1 minute in u hit it on the nail. All the guides I watched are overwhelming. Use this aura, this pet, this outfit, this urn, this perk, this potion, on and on just to go fish some trout
Honestly, this is probably my favorite part of RS3. Figuring out the most efficient ways to train and then grinding out all of quests, minigames, materials for perks, etc. for it generally really fun. It's a singular grind in that it all has the same purpose but the content is really varied. And then you get the payoff in the end of having everything needed to train a skill to 120, or even 200m, however you want. I do agree that it can be really overwhelming for new players though.
''See how long it takes before you get overwhelmed or feel that the opening experience is not very good'' -Josh.
My brother and a friend recently started Path of Exile from scratch. I need not say more.
HA, yes.
PoE is not easy to play casually :D
@@zanec14 you play POE casually by copying builds off others. That's probably the only way.
I got into it because I play with someone who's played it for ages. I can name a skill and they will ask me which variation of it I want. They have the tools and knowhow to find me a build. I got into it a little, but making a build is complicated: you can't just look up one build on poeninja.
me and 3 friends currently started playing POE like a week ago. they love it i love it aswell so far. BUT i do admit that game is not new player friendly when it comes to the passive skill tree but once u learn how it works and players will teach u this if u ask the game becomes fairly easy. Yes u will prob copy some 1 elses build but it doesnt take away the fun from the build they created atleast thats how i feel ive been playing a summoner build and its been an awesome experience.
@@Wyzai ah, we may have a different definition of casual, though yes, copying builds is how most people play
@@zanec14 PoE is one of those games were you really have to play for years before you get to a point where you're going at Ubers and even getting a chance at getting a Headhunter or Mageblood.
I really agree about being overwhelmed by rs3 content. I really do like it, but I remember coming back to give it a try because my brother was playing it at the time, and I felt like I had no idea what I should be doing. This was me coming back after years of not playing. I think it took me a few days for me to think of my first few goals, which was to get all the requirements for the curse book
I just tried to get into Runescape again and because of the "knowing" of what's to come grind wise, all the systems to learn etc it 100% puts me off. I miss playing when I was a kid and had no qualms with spending 3 hours mining and running back and forth to a bank just so I could craft X particular item, no care in the world and no comprehension of what "grinding" was. Just pure fun. I loved the idea of just exploring this huge world and having all these other real players around, even though I barely interacted or chatted. Now I just know many of them are soulless bots and that excitement of a "living world" has faded completly
I think it's a good thing it's hard to play efficiently, that way the entire game isn't reduced to just a single "meta". Just pick and choose what you want, see what works and what doesn't FOR YOU. Some people want to focus on PvM and earn a ton of money that they can dump into the buyable skills later. Other people just want to AFK non-stop because they're always at work. With these general aims/tastes in mind, you can definitely find a strategy that suits you as an individual player
I feel like you got the exact opposite meaning out of what he said. Like, rather than thinking of the word "efficient" by itself, you immediately conflated it with brainrot min-maxing.
I just started an RS3 ironman and I'm loving it. I'm still in the early stages but the new quests/ voice acted quests have been amazing!
just wannted to say that because of you i suggested my gf to play gw2 together, we started playing a couple days ago and its been very fun, i probably would never have started to play if it wasn't for you, but now we are thinking about buying the expansions and we are still lvl 30, so just wanted to thank you for saving me to go back to bdo again and also providing a great game for me to play with her :)
Fake and gae. Gfs don’t exist. Also play a better mmo like WoW or ESO, wtf? GW2 was good on launch but it’s ancient with poor support now
I was going to suggest hitting the level Cap and doing the Story dungeons FIRST before you commit to giving Anet anymore money...but ..if BDO was your fallback...then as someone with 15,000 hours in BDO... RUN, don't look back! Do NOT return to it. BDO is literally the trope of the toxic abusive girlfriend who is secretly sabotaging your life behind your back
Outside of mtx, RS3's biggest issues are the sheer amount of dailies, weeklies and monthlies that players have to do. And as you progress in the game, they continue to add up. And not doing them feels bad because you'd be missing out on all that XP. It gets to a point where I feel overwhelmed before I've even logged in because I know I've got an hour of dailies and stuff to do before I even start on my actual goals for my account.
That was one of my issues for like a year before i dropped it and that's before they made it all easier. Log in, do all your dailies and shit, by the time you're done so much time passes that you either don't have time to actually "play" the game or simply feel too tired to continue.
You don’t have to touch them. I’ve played for 2 years and never do the dailies or monthlies and I haven’t fallen behind because it’s not a race and “efficiency” is a made up problem
@@PhenomRom Depends on what you want to do. If you want to do a specific boss and need levels for equipment, food, whatever or just some materials/money you will do the most efficient way. You do the efficient thing, because you want to waste as little time as possible on the boring stuff and do the stuff you actually want.
Dailies are paradox and contradictive to this sentiment, thats why they are so bad.
I'm maxed and never felt like I 'had' to do the dailies.
The xp on rs3 is so fast you really don't have to participate in any dailies if you don't want to
@@OlafJorigson Rs3 levelling is so fast you don't need the dailies. Dailies are more important when you are thinking of going for 120s, but that is super long term Vs. what you are saying
Solid take, I tell people all the time, forget about efficiency bc efficiency is pointless if you're not having fun. Just do what you want to do, who cares if it's not optimal
The only thing I'd advocate for as a priority is getting all the quests done bc lore and it opens the game up
@@BulletSmoothie19 you eventually end up caring if its not optimal because when the grind really sets in later in the game - you both need to grind even more even longer due to inefficiency, and feel bad when you look back at your progress realizing you wasted hours upon hours due to that inefficiency. at the start it may seem hunky dory and harmless casual fun, but you theoretically end up paying for it later which is what people want to avoid
@@whiskizyo2067 I agree with you. As someone who have been playing RS2 from 2006 as F2P player to RS3 as a P2P player now in 2023, this game requires a huge time investment on your part to make significant progress. It definitely rewards you for time investment. If you don't do quests in this game, you'll be locked out on new and best areas and on passive benefits. It sounds all great on paper as a typical RPG game should reward you for the time investment, but the bad part about it is that this game costs a monthly/yearly subscription (depending on the option you want). If you're a busy person and don't have much time in a day to play this game, it's a waste of money. If this game didn't have a subscription fee at all, you can go back to it whenever you want.
I grew up playing Runescape since Classic. I always moved with it over time. These days I prefer RS3 to OSRS just due to it feeling like a better overall combat and bossing system.
I've tried playing Runescape 3 - the quest point shop got added to the game and I thought "right, I can get some GP by completing quests! I'm gonna complete them all, in osrs that's like mid game, it shouldn't be too bad in RS3 too, right?" then I saw how many quests there were in total and went "oh god"
In rs3 you just make small goals and do them one at a time, it's slower but if you do everything efficiently it becomes a chore
This and the fact that RS3 over the years has just made levelling skills easier and quicker over the years, and now their main way to attract and hold players is through introducing quicker and easier ways to level skills.
"Do this quest and you unlock a zone that has a WC zone right next to the bank! Closer than ever!"
"Do this event and you can grind out skills by just standing still and clicking this one thing once every several minutes!" (I got lvl 1-57 dungeoneering and lvl 5-73 construction from the Lumbridge beach party event on my ironman character).
"Purchase keys to unlock chests for bonus xp items!"
"Do your skills on portables for bonus xp! We even made a dedicated world for it!"
"Bonus xp weekend! Oh and we're now extending it for a day because we're so kind (also purchase more keys as you'll get even more xp than the conventional gameplay methods)"
I've seen it happen so many times with old MMOs where they find the easiest way to pull in players is to just give them free shit and make things easier and quicker. They forget how to make and sell a game, and instead they sell the dopamine directly too the players, instead of giving a bloody game that gives that stuff naturally. It kills it and that hype that stuff creates initially eventually always dies off and you're left with the players who just can't quit, revisiting veteran players, or worse, those with gambling addictions.
It's like eventually every MMO will get replaced by salesmen, instead of actual game devs who care about making a game.
Well...MMOs aren't on the list of big money maker in the gaming industry. With dwindling player base and less money intake, content will be stripped and new ways of making money or getting players back will be introduced. This way they will most likely lose their core player base, which are the big spender and enjoyer of the game resulting in even bigger loses. This spirales down to a point where the game gets either taken down or sold to another company that just uses the already made game to monetize the, if I may use this word, shit out of it until it dies.
Happened to many MMOs and will most likely happen to every single one of them, unless they can make up the losses by other means. (e.g. Blizzard with their other titels, Final Fantasy aswell, even Jagex with OSRS to some extent)
Sad reality of MMOs.
I have over 210k in btc wagered in gambling and I couldn't agree more it targets me! It's so easy to buy levels. They change treasure hunter so often that's all they care about.
as an rs3 player I kinda feel like just the interfaces and settings alone is enough to confuse the shit out of new players xD
can i say that people should manage their expectations and goals?
it's like going to a restaurant and wanting to get every item on the menu, so you can try it all and then quickly go to the next asap.
that's overwhelming and unhealthy.
set reasonable goals so that you're not hurting your self mentally and/or physically.
Playing RS3 for the very first time, having to do it as an Ironman because microtransactions directly target my brain, but it's been fun as hell. I'm really loving it, I don't have the same urge to do stuff efficiently or all the other stuff I feel doing OSRS, I just screw around and do whatever I want. I thought not having access to the Grand Exchange would eventually be a frustration point, but it's actually pretty cool going through all this content I'd otherwise skip because I could buy the item I needed from the GE.
I hate mtx so much that I’d pay money to remove the mtx lmao
@@PhenomRom me
I deironed a few months ago, and ironically have been enjoying oldschool way more lmao. the supply grind just sucks honestly. yet to give rs3 a go on ironman but may do that one day
@@ftb282 went from osrs to rs3 ironman and havent gone back
Explain to me how mtx bothers you
Personally I prefer RS3 over OSRS. I grew up LOVING RS back in 2006-2012 but OSRS is just to grindy for me anymore. I can appreciate it and the nostalgia it brings, but when I want to have fun, rather than nostalgia, I'll always hop on RS3.
The thing about RS3 is really the snowball effect. In order to do Z without wasting time I REALLY need to X and Y first, but in order to do that I need to do A, B, C, D... so on and so forth first. Like looking at how best to do Fishing. According to almost everyone I asked, they said Crystal tools. You need Level 75 in a TON of skills and have done a TON of quests to get to that point first, and each quest requiring it's own items, and so on and so forth. I love and hate that aspect of it. On the one hand, there's never nothing to do, on the other... you're never efficient.
Long time rs3 player and one that came from classic. I think a good part of the journey in rs3 is obtaining those optimizations.
When you hop in for the first time and get your army hatchet, you're not even aware that there's 2 full outfits that boost woodcutting. That there's more hatchets. That there's a way to augment those hatchets then perk them out. Then there's auras and pocket and neck items. There's off hand items. Familiar too. Yeah, it's a lot, but you get access to all this a piece at a time and pushing doe these so you can woodcut more efficiently is the skilling game play loop. Other skills grant benefits to it, etc. They all mesh in some way or another.
Combat is the same way. You kill stuff slow. You level up and buy items to continually kill stuff less slowly. Over and over. That's in both versions.
and for a new or returning player all the systems rs3 has stacks on top of all the old systems and leaves you feeling like why even bother?
@Dustin Wallace if you're starting a journey and say "why bother," then it's just not the journey for you? You don't have to take that journey either. Play less optimal if it's what you prefer.
Completely agree. I can see why it would be unappealing to others or overwhelming, but I really enjoy seeing the continous progression by unlocking new buffs and perks, rather than just getting slightly faster when I level up
omfg 0:50 - 0:60 explained what I have been feeling for years
This is so spot on. I do basically none of my timed things on my iron because as soon as I do one, I feel like I have to do all of them, and that would take up my whole day.
Josh explains it very well and I agree with him. There are a ton of mmos I logged into for the first time, got hit with 30 notifications, 5 interfaces, and I try to look up some starter advice and there's a thousand people with conflicting opinions. OSRS does this right, there's a tutorial that explains things in a very easy to understand way, they tell you just about everything you need to know and the community is helpful with advice to guide you along the way. Nothing is too in your face and you feel like you can direct your pace however you desire. RS3 is overwhelming for me; someone that's played this game on and off for 15 years.
The combat system is easy while there's nuance in just about everything else and that's how I like it. That's the reason I find myself going back to things like League of Legends and OSRS. Which is something I've noticed with RS players is that they've also dabbled in League too so there's overlap.
RuneScape 3 Just got a karamja graphical rework and it looks incredible. It makes clue scroll hunting with the new graphics more adventurous.
My favorite is Jagex allowing old 2007 private servers to exist. Tiny communities, everyone knows everyone, higher XP rates, just super chill and no grand exchange/small player pool so a lot of times you're scrambling for some weird quest ingredient, or a random new friend will give you a hand up in life, just like they still do in modern RS. Love both experiences, but I like the oldest the bestest. Got my crystal bow and felt like a king bro!
I grew up playing (old school) runescape, so I'm familiar with a lot of the basics, but even I find Runescape 3 overwhelming after coming back to playing the game after many years of not playing
I tried playing RS3 when I was forced to download the Jagex launcher. I liked it, but holy hell everything levels so fast! I'm used to the more slow laid back OSRS, so I went back there, lol
Well that is true. But maxing is a very achievable goal, even on ironman. The real end game starts when you're maxed in RS3 there's just so much to do.
Personally I like the early and mid game of OSRS far more. But end game goes to RS3 hands down. This is coming from someone with a maxed rs3 account, a 2600 total ironman on rs3 and a character with stats averaging in the 80s-90s for some in OSRS.
I just find the bossing so much more enjoyable on RS3.
I by no means dislike OSRS. But as an adult with a job. It does get a little disheartening in those higher levels where you realize you have to click a rock for 16 hours to get 1 single level.
Honestly after playing all the modes in each game. I think RS3 ironman is the best experience of them all. It's got the perfect pacing and such rewarding goals constantly. And this is coming from someone who thought ironman was the stupidest thing when it was announced.
In the modern era of gaming most people I assume would think leveling to max faster than osrs is a good thing. If you just want to pvm on rs3 you still have to do hundreds of hours of prepping just to be able to do everything. Not everyone has time to sit down and click the mining rock for 60 hours to get 4 levels anymore. It could be fun if you do have the time for it, but Jagex appeals to their player base which is getting older.
Everything levels fast but you also need 6 level 120s for true max, and there are 50+ more quests than OSRS. So while it's fast, there is a lot more content that you need to clear
Oh man AdventureQuest Classic
you need entire lists and spreadsheets to know how to tackle the content of that game
I made one of the major spreadsheets used for that purpose actually
I’ve been constant adventure quest classic player for almost 18 years , play it 6 days a week ever since , came back to RuneScape after 9 years on rs3 and your right I do feel overwhelmed and it’s frustrating to get back in but I have put thousands of hours on my character with multiple lvl 99s and it not simple just to walk away…
I find that a lot of quality of life tools actually lead to that overwhelming feeling. I just started Retail WoW for the first time about a year ago. I did my thing, levelled a character to max through a wonderful zone and then a not-so-woderful zone, and then afterwards the entire game seemed open to me - You can teleport anywhere in this enormous world, and there's so many things to do it really is overwhelming. I still really enjoy retail WoW, but I have to set specific goals for myself and the exploration is relegated to specific areas where my goals are.
I played Classic WoW before that when it came out. I was never overwhelmed. And I felt like that was because there were limited options to me because travel was so taxing. I was forced to explore almost everywhere and experience the world. Even at max level, if I wanted to go anywhere it might take me an hour to get there, so it had better be worth it.
This echoes in all of the Adventure Quest games and even to a greater degree. You can teleport to literally any screen in Adventure Quest Worlds and Dragon Fable by typing in the screen's ID. The entire game is open to you at all times and that is incredibly overwhelming.
You don't need to have all the 2% xp boosts and small utility boosts active and everything efficient unlocked to play the game. a new player will not even know about them existing, they are something you're able to discover once you start getting into the game.
Like josh, if you've done significant research and watch a ton of guides and do research, you will know about the things that are "efficient", but at that point the fault is kind of your own that instead of enjoying the game you went out of the game to try and find the fastest way to get things done and overwhelmed yourself.
As someone who has a maxed ironmeme on RS3, I agree. It's nice to unlock a bunch of passive perks but there's so much shit you "have to do" before you can do other activities. To make matters worse, you also have auras which you want to be off CD for certain things, there's some boosts that you get randomly everyday or so that last for an hour which makes you want to drop what you're doing to do them. Other consumables to use before doing things, skilling outfits, have the right relic setup (you can only have 3 active at once and it costs a currency to switch them around). And then you have D&D and a bunch of dailies which are efficient to do and some of the D&Ds only start at specific times, requiring you to plan around them. It's a massive headache and can lead you to just bankstand thinking of what to do, instead of actually playing the game.
Looking for an MMO to play on my phone off and on, Runescape 3 is easily the best option. Only real conpeition on the nobile platform is OSRS and Albion. Maybe Tarisland when ir releases.
What's your RSN? I'll add you and we can play sometime!
its not even from a "new" new player perspective, as someone who has put a huge amount of time into rs3 (relatively high skills, most combat skills 92+, done a huge number of quests), trying to get into harder content was super rough. You need so many different upgraded abilities that all come from separate (and long) grinds or you need a massive wallet to buy the codices on the GE. It felt like there were so many things to do that when I looked into a thing I wanted to get I'd end up researching for hours going down a rabbit hole of shit I didn't know existed. At the end of the day I'd rather just go play a different game.
yeah, i played this game for a month or two and i'm doing nothing except do these mundane task like chopping, fishing, cooking and i rarely see killing in those times i played. i want something to kill like a boss at early game so i have something to sink my time in and to look forward to but most of the worthwhile bosses are on the end game where it'll take at least a year to get to because i need to have different stats that i can only get by long grinding different skills.
YESSSSSS. THIS FEELING IS REAL. I NEED FCKING 1637382826 ITEMS, QUESTS, DAYLIS, ETC, TO KILL A FCKING BOSS
I tried RS3 when mobile came out, and up to a point I was fine, things were tutorialized okayish - then I got to archeology. I still do not understand when, why, or how I would want to train it. It was just very confusing. Also having revo on by default was very annoying, because then I had to navigate the absolutely overwhelming settings to figure out how to turn it off.
I can do overwhelming, I used to have a notebook where I had a bunch of ingredients in morrowind all effects, easy locations, common potion recipes I would use, had reverse engineered some of the equations on the backend(the maximum level lock you can pick is half your security skill + half your intelligence + one tenth of your luck, for example - yes I just know this and can never forget it now), so I did slog through for a few hours, but I think my biggest issue I had with RS3 was I had so much I *could* do and had no idea what I should be doing. Even content like Cook's Assistant, pretty much everyone's first quest, had been changed in ways that did not make sense to me. It's not better, imo, to have to ask the person running the mill to tune it so I can get fine grained flour or whatever it was called, and I honestly have no idea if knowing that's an option matters beyond this single beginner quest. If it does, then when, and if not, then why are you teaching me the *wrong* way to get flour to make bread and the like? Alright, I have an ability ba, let's go look at 17 pages of abilities with apparently no way to filter them based on, I don't know, the weapons I'm actually wielding(dual scimitars so I could be like drizzt do-urden in RuneScape, something a younger me appreciated). Then activating the lodestone and being teleported to lumbridge - I'm not even sure where I was to begin with! Turael was there so presumably Burthorpe? But not any burthorpe I'd recognize. And if it wasn't(maybe if it was) I have no clue how to get there without using the lodestones; a whole stretch of the world that was just made inconsequential.
So many things like this. I played it for a few hours, the mobile client is actually really well made, but the new/long lost returning player experience left me lost as to what I ought to be doing and why.
I stoped playing exactly when I got to archaeology too. Its so unnecessarily convulted. I went to archaeology because of the activity tracker I believe because I was overwhelmed by the sheer amount of stuff being shoved in my face and couldn't figure out what to do next. That led to archaelogy that made zero freaking sense and I just said fuck it and quit. Trying out OSRS now.
Maybe that's Jagex's strategy. Have the more modern RS3 out attracts people, it's insanely overwhelming for new players and they go into OSRS which probably costs them pennies to maintain.
@@AndreSilva-df1ot I’m pretty sure that RS3 is the main cash cow, despite a lower player count overall.
@@Tortferngatr Last I remember seeing the numbers a few years back, rs3 makes a little more than osrs, like 10-20% more, but has a player base that's 1/4th the size. Predatory fomo gambling mtx really does a great job at getting the whales to whale.
Well so you actually have to use the new combat system. Legacy is terrible for most modern content and I’m not even sure why it’s an option. Revo or manual is fine. There’s not a huge difference realistically if you optimize your revo bar. Just makes combat less hectic.
the art is to not get overwhelmed and not be pressured to much by being 100 % efficient.
As a completionist caped runescape 3 player I can confirm these are factual opinions.
1:20 this is exactly what has happened to me. im absolutely new to osrs, just started a week ago and wanted to try rs3. my first half hours is just full of confusion. i basically noped out of it.
What is the activity tracker and paths in RuneScape I think it helps. Give you a introduction to each skill. Is it perfect absolutely not but I was able to pick it up during fresh start worlds pretty easily and eventually found a clan. That was a tremendous help. I’ve tried old-school several times for the nostalgia by Rs3 feels right. the PVM is awesome.
There are tons of dailies like catches but over the time I've just learned not to care. Ik I miss tons of div xp by not doing them but why should I if I just don't feel like doing them? I have other goals and I can grind the div whenever I feel like it. Some weeks I miss the peng hunt, Idc. As an HCIM I do daily tasks and jack of all trades aura, check miscellania and that's it
Im just going to write off the chest hair cam as a hallucination and move on with my day
I just bank stand when I play once every 6 months lol
Exactly my reason after finishing my first membership every runescape play I have. I log in, get overwhelmed and try my best to progress; only to be overwhlemed and leave.
Especially in other games with end-game grinds and complex system's to max out your stats, only for it to be outclassed in the next update. Which you could of just waited for and save yourself all the grinding and maths :p
once it starts feeling like a job it will make you not wanna play anymore, always play for whatever brings you the most joy.
It's telling that the chat box has a wiki search button included. A wiki that, by the way, is larger than the entirety of the Polish language Wikipedia and is still perpetually incomplete.
OSRS's chat box has wiki search included as well. L RS3 hater.
RS3 vs OSRS is like the new yugi oh vs the old yugi oh
Pretty accurate actually, lol. It's why I play YGO with GOAT rules
RS3 ironman has been my best experience playing runescape even though I've started the game in 2007. He is right about the overwhelmed part. You log in as an iron, shopruns, bakbolts, farm, pof etc.
Hostly overwhelming for people who never played an MMORPG game before. I am a WoW veteran so it came easy to me and I can just take my time and enjoy the game. I don't feel the need to rush to end the game to do end-game raids before the next expansion comes out. That feeling of, if I don't do it now I can't do it later because no one else is doing it, the old content. Runescape was the game a group of guys I knew played in 2005 before WoW. RS is the game I skipped over for WoW. I just downloaded the game two days ago on Steam 😅.
Same i played RS in 2005 until 2006 until I switched to wow and played until legion, when i read some comments of RuneScape or other mmo older type that they are so hard is funny to me, nowadays most games have hand holding, showing where to go what to do etc.. its like people cant do stuff or figure out by themselves things, when i started rs i remember there was no auction house, people traded by person and was advertising they things, there was no guides, wikis etc..people figure out things themselves or tru friends or chatting with random people how things work, there was 0 hand holding, you thrown to mmo to figure out stuff yourself, i think thats what made mmo games true mmo games because no handholding, today people whine and cry because its to hard, grindy etc..0 patients and 0 thinking
>login to rs3 world 2
>go to G.E
>every player is like a parody/joke of what it used to look like
>check that rares still haven't been stolen by hackers
>logout
RS3 Ironman is my MMO of choice. Such a chill experience when you want it to be with all the skilling QoL features, and combat only has to be complicated if you decide to engage in the high level bossing.
That's been my experience with RS3. I felt the itch to play RS again after seeing some vids come up on my youtube feed recently. Logged in and I was so overwhelmed that I had no idea what to do, so I just logged back out.
That's basically all MMOs to me. It's not necessarily the character-based systems, but everything they have to tack on to have that carrot and stick gameplay model. My rule of thumb is that if an MMO has more than one currency, I'm not gonna bother. I already know where that leads. Lost Ark is just a trainwreck of busywork and layers of currency. There's a game under there somewhere.
God retail wow is same too, whenever I resub and login I just get a headache, 10 new currencies, 3 new systems, new rep factions seasons upgrade systems etc, etc
The amount of things you have to do became very obvious to me when I started up an alt account on RS3, and tried to max it. Having been Maxed / Completionist for years I was really shocked at how long some stuff I took for granted actually took. I have all the elite outfits on my main account and didn't realize that when grinding for those same outfits efficiently it actually takes up to 50 hours per outfit. I love this game though.
I starter last week on rs3 and I don't desire to play efficiently - I just want my own personal adventure.
As a long time RuneScape player, I've just accepted that my second monitor will have the wiki up at all times.
RS3 spent too much time trying to please the minority of higher level/elitist players, rather than trying to entice new players.
I do want to touch upon the "Pay2Win yada yada" aspect of RS3 people keep moaning about though (such as in your comments like "I got a godsword from a key"
1. Maxing a skill using keys is ridiculously expensive
2. People pay others to level skills for them on OSRS (services), which aren't really allowed but still happen way too often (had a few friends that leveled their agility and rc to 99 this way).
3. You can get stuff like lucky items from keys, which in essence are completely useless because you can't augment them. Besides, a godsword is likely only a few mil on rs3, which is pretty much nothing in OSRS, which I will come back to at point 4.
4. the swaprate from OSRS to RS3 is like 1:13, which means that 1 mil on osrs is worth 13 mil on rs3. It's even worse if you swap from RS3 to OSRS because the swappers have to make money ofc. So when you got a lucky godsword you might have saved like 1m rs3, which translates to less than a 100k osrs...
I've played RS on and off since 2004. Idm rs 3 ( just came back after a 5 year break) but if I could port my character with no gold or items but the skills I earnt before RS3 into osr I would do so instantly.
Visa, you should've zoomed in on the chest hair cam on the right in the beginning.
RuneScape 3 is great. I played RuneScape as a kid and this is just like a remastered/updated version. It’s great. I understand people don’t like change but the game is obviously better on every way now.
Yes RS3 is worth it. I just started playing and have been having a blast.
I am so happy that I am immune to the curse of efficiency. Don't get me wrong, if I'm doing something, and I can streamline it, sure. But not if it optimizes the fun out of what I'm doing.
There's a reason I always disable fast travel in Bethesda games and BOTW. It's efficient, but it takes the magic and fun out of the world, and damn near turns the world map into a stage select screen.
Im a 20yr vet on rs3 and havnt played the past 2 years, i recently logged in a still felt overwhelmed and im almost maxed
This is why OSRS was such a hype back in the early days - it was relatively simple
I have 18k+ hours in RS"3", quit playing back in 2016, it just became dailies, weeklies, and monthlies, AND THEN you can reset these dailies, weeklies, and monthlies, multiple times a day... it's just way too much, still kinda fun doing very, super specific things though.
I enjoy AQ3D on mobile (Adventure Quest 3D), great game, unfortunately its far too short, you can literally do EVERYTHING in 3 months or so.
Wowwwww dude hit the nail on the head with that take, "you want the player to know they have a lot to do but you don't want them to feel like they have to do a lot" I LITERALLY log in to RS3 and log out... lmao
Man do I relate to the overwhelmingness of efficiency as an osrs player.
Try and watch any rs3 skill guides. It's a dude listing 20 items and requirements for efficent training and the last 25% of the video actually training methods.
"Remember to bring a perfect smithing juju potion, decorated smithing urn, full augmented smithing outfit with overheat 5, 88 woodcutting for chippy bonker boost, 99 herblore cape is a must, luck of the dwarves 4 and a masterwork hammer."
Only some of this is made up
Forcing yourself into ironman is why you would feel this way
Cant wait for 2033 when Josh is gona try lost ark
It's easy when you're there from launch and gradualy get to know each system. Much harder dropping in few years after launch
I love how he added the Lost Ark bit in here because it isn't worth its own "says" short.
I played 2 hours of Lost Arch.
I barely passed the tutorial. I feel like I would have had a better time skipping it since I really learned nothing new.
Story was very barebones, combat was slinging giant AOE spells at hordes of one shot targets that did nothing but run at you, and quests were not creative either.
I wasn't overwhelmed, I was severely underwhelmed 😅
Condensed version:
Are you playing Runescape?
Then it's worth it!
Congrats!🎉
Ive been playing rs3 for years now, only have two 99's and i play in a very inefficient way. I'm enjoying every moment
every mmo is overwhelming when you first start. The more casual/new player friendly the mmo is the easier it is to get rid of that overhwelming feeling. Also the way the progression works. I think guild wars 2 and ESO are 2 of the most non overwhelming mmos because of the progression. You can do anything you want out of a thousand things, but if you choose to follow a path its there for you and leads you well. Like ive played retail wow for a long time and i find it very overwhelming still. there is just waaay too much shit that isnt current. It makes you question what is and is not worth doing. At least in eso/gw2 everything you do has current value throughout the entire game.
Quitted rs3 after more than 10300 hours of played time because of this. While I was young and had the free time to play 5~7h/day I felt connected with the game, I could keep track of everything that was going on and do all the stuff. Then I finished college and my time to play was reduced to barelly 2h/day, I couldn't keep up with all the updates while doing my own things anymore, after a few months I wasn't doing even the new quests (quests are my favorite part of rs3). Then I waited to my member to finish and stopped playing, the last few weeks I've been only doing the daily tasks and stuff like herb runs, etc that took less than 30min/day to do :P
I've been staring Tree of Savior on my steam library, it keeps popping up because of weekly maintenance, and it's a good game, but it's so shit on it's UI, the last time I tried to go back in playing it, they changed some classes(mine was one of them) so it screwed my entire build, basically one of the classes/professions in my built wasn't avaliable as a mage class anymore, and it was the central part of my build, and I just got fucked... so I asked someone to help for what build to do, added a person on discord, we talked a bit, when I finally decided on what to reroll, I was kinda sad because it wouldn't be exactly what I wanted to play, but still, I finally decided "let's play it" and... the UI was all messed up, had tons of quests I didn't remember accepting, and I look at that and decided "yeah... no." and never opened the game again.
did he just name drop Adventure Quest? like from Artix Entertainment?
that brings me back to elementary school wow
love rs3 as an iron can't bring myself to play it with a normal account
Rs3 can only be enjoyed in ironman mode nowadays... if you play a main account its basically a casino, and you wont get to see any of the game at all, you will google the best money maker, get the best equipment and do nothing then
Every time he gets a new cam he should crop a small frame from the other somewhere else.
overwhelming a player a little bit is fine,especially in late game
but yeah overwhelming new player is a bad idea
ive never heard the word 'whelming' used properly. Congrats Josh
100% I agree, but more than that, Josh is simply, and factually correct.
I'm sorry to be that guy, but "whelmed" and "overwhelmed" mean the same thing, it's a typical english language thing of adding emphasis by adding a prefix.
Whelming is when a boat is tipped over by a wave, which then became the common usage
I think the reason I continue to play RS3 is that I've had the account for 15+ years, and if I didn't have 5k+ hours invested over that period of time, I would not play it as a new game, OSRS is much easier to understand and master, where RS3 at the endgame becomes unbelievably more technical than osrs, I still think RS3 is a great game though once you break through the threshold of knowledge and understanding to a moderate level.
ehm... ahem .... oayyy 1:51 what's with that random close up frame though
I understand the point that this guy was making but he only really made one point and answered absolutely no questions regarding the title of this video.
This is why I often butt heads with some of the more hardcore players of FFXIV. A lot of overlap with WoW, and they want a lot of similar systems.
Thing is, those systems really only benefit the high end raiders and would serve to overwhelm and confuse the average player. Which is where 95% of FFXIV playerbase lay. FFXIV is not a raiding MMO like WoW, its more a social game with a single player focus first, MMO second.
POV: Watching me describe why I quit WoW in Legion.
Whelmed, but not overly