Dual Clutch vs Manual Transmission (DCT vs MT) BMW M4 & M3
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2015
- Dual clutch transmissions are taking over the world, they are great but are we missing out on the joy of the manual transmission?
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Sam: manual RWD car, temperature readings in Celsius, and 24hr time. A true man.
Elliott Rollins This is my favorite comment hands-down. Thanks, Elliot!
+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)
+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)
+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)
Right, 12h time and fahrenheit degrees are for pussies.
How I feel: The DTC is without a doubt a bit faster and more efficient. But give me a manual and I'd be more happy because they're more fun.
@gear head actually its TDC
@@falunyip bro DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION
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@@thedurangeddrifter3634 bro TOP DEAD CENTER
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Why not have a dual clutch and add a fake clutch pedal and manual stick and programmed into the computer to simulate manual ... I mean it could simulate it perfectly ... and if the next buyer wants automatic have the pedal and shifter removable and computer switched to auto ... Do not think for a second this won't work or is unachievable .... and remind you every minute you drive how childish it is to wish to switch the gears yourself lol
My left foot IS my launch control.
You must have owned a couple of Hondas then?!?...
Someone is bad ass with clutch control and you say they must own a Honda... wow.
+Brian Tolliver (HiCapMag) - The computer will kick your left foots ass....everytime.
Possible
+John P but he'll be connected with your car. it's a team while driving while in auto and others your like a king you tell it where to go and only tell it to shift with your fingers or just wait.
Most people say that a manual is more involving. Of course it is, there are 4 points of contact as opposed to 2 on the DCT. The 4 points of contact are: 1. Steering wheel 2. Gear shift (stick) 3. Clutch and 4. Gas / brake.
In other words all your limbs are literally engaged and therefore you are getting more feedback and your brain is more rewarded with sensation and involvement.
The DCT on the other hand cuts that involvement by 50% by eliminating the clutch and gear stick. Now the only points of contact are gas/brake and steering wheel. Maybe 2.5 if you count the steering wheel operated paddles as an additional point of contact. I don't.
But let's not kid ourselves, the DCT is faster and more efficient. So if track time matters to you (or gas mileage), the DCT is the way, but if you want to have fun and be more engaged, the manual is the way to go.
+Apple Aya couldn't agree more!
+Apple Aya do they make a facetooth kit for the manual, that should remove some of the advantage of the dual clutch
Actually, track times would be better with a manual. If you got rid of all the little bells and whistles that limit you on a dct, and made it where it's essentially a manual without the need to operate the clutch, and it shifted instantly and smoothly, than yes it would have better track times, and equally as good, if not better handling capabilities.
That's a very well written comment. I like your take and explanation on this.
+Apple Aya how does "literally" make sense in that sentence
Just ordered my 2016 M4 with manual and saw this video after. Thanks for comparison. Makes me happy I ordered the 6 speed. Cheers
Should have got a M3 it's better looking
RAJohnson713
ur hi as fuk
+Willy A Congratulations on the new M4 manual! It looks like an incredible car
+RAJohnson713 the M3 looks exactly the same as the M4, only 2 doors more.
maxpowers3732 Thanks man. I really appreciate that. It's an incredible drive.
if it's your daily drive, then go for the DTC. If it's your weekend car, then go for the MT.
Simple as that
Bruno Danese My Salute to you sir
Bruno Danese I dunno, I hear your point, but for a daily I would think the manual is a lot more enjoyable!
I see what you mean. But the manual as a daily car can get tiring, especially if you face heavy traffic every day.
There is absolutely zero traffic where I live, so I would definitely go for the manual.
JackalCars I made the mistake of going manual in los angeles, yes its extremely fun like 3 days out of the month... but grinding between 1st and 2nd the other 28 days of the month... so annoying, trading mines in next year for the DCT.
+Hector Espinoza I honestly don't see the problem, is the clutch that heavy or something?
I shaved 2 seconds of my commute this morning with DCT
I just bought my first BMW M3! I am so glad I found this channel. Nick, I've learned a good bit about my car just from watching your videos for the past few hours. I traded in my Honda Accord coupe 6 speed for the M3 DCT. It's only been a few days, still learning the car, but I am in love! :) I am thoroughly enjoying your videos. Gracias Mr. Kiwi :)
How’s the car treating you?
Nothing beats the feeling on shifting the gears yourself
Damn manual sure sounds nicer when changing gears, it transitions much sweeter
XtrAMassivE I didn't even realise that the manual transmission was available on the M4 :D
VinceYT2408 they come standard with them. You've to pay around 1.5k for Dual Clutch
Naveen S 3000...
+VinceYT2408 same
+VinceYT2408 You won't find a BMW model type, especialy an M, NEVER, without a manual transmission.
This deserves to be updated for 2021.
A dual clutch is superior in so many ways with regard to performance but driving a manual is an art form. I'm inclined to the latter.
If I lived in the US I'd get the manual because I would be praised like a god to master the art of manually shifting gears (in the civilised world it's no big deal).
Tuddec True statement
Tuddec hehehe I see what you did there
If not I'd get the DCT because it's quicker and manufacturers are now investing more in DCTs because it's what most people choose so it's probably better.
+Tuddec Most people buy a Cayenne or Macan instead of a 911/Cayman/Boxster so if I want to enjoy driving a Porsche are the SUVs better sports cars? The manual makes driving the car much more enjoyable. Who cares about fractional second differences?
Top Gear reference.
I like how Nick veers off the road into the dirt/gravel 5:46 at speed in his M4 with no fucks given and the other guy makes sure to stay on the tarmac when turning around.. Typical Murray move
Charles Austin Best comment
Hahahah
Nick Murray thats why we love you nick :D
Charles Austin The difference between buying a car with your own money vs your fathers'. ;)
That rev match thing is incredible on the manual !
Had a DCT in my E92 for 3 years and it was absolutely fantastic, with that being said, there was just something missing to the total driving experience and I had no hesitation getting a 6MT in my '17 m3.
i feel like manuals might hold their value more being rarer, kinda like the gt2rs. nobody wanted them and now they are 400k
felix pinto "nobody wanted them" more like nobody could get them, because they were both rare and expensive af.
felix pinto M cars are really enthusiast cars. as they age and get to the 2nd and 3rd owners manuals will carry a premium as buyers will want the manual for the fun factor and the cheaper upkeep.
I know the E46 is slanted due to the SMG being a ticking timebomb but you can see two equal cars priced $3000 - $5000 apart based on one being a stick and the other being a SMG
+felix pinto that's why a Manual F430 is 10K more expensive compare with the F430 F1
I think it will do the opposite, on the used market why would you buy the manual, alot of the buyers of there cars are 50+ and don't care for manual anymore and the dct is naturally faster.
+matthew von in new zealand you can buy a used auto jzx90 for 7-8k, and a manual one for 12-13k. You can buy a r34 gtt auto for 8-9k, manual 12-14k. I could go on and on, manual is in much higher demand.
If manual rev matches for you I dont see why youd get a DCT
***** Manuals are so easy to drive nowadays... nice, smooth hydraulic clutches, very light clutch pedals, automatic rev-matching, excellent synchros... why do people get DCT lmao
+Daniel Mirzotti I think the dealers push them because they charge more and make more profit for the option. Plus they're idiot proof and people who care more about bragging about generating numbers on a spreadsheet can talk about the faster shifts. As Nick says here I'd think most people buy sports cars for driving enjoyment, not to generate numbers.
maxpowers3732
Without a doubt they push them. More commission money for them because the car's MSRP jumps up, easier to order/deliver to the customer (manuals have a much longer waiting time), and also these DCT's will cost more to service than a manual, so more money for the service department. And then of course the demographic of ///M car buyers has changed. It used to be about people who liked an engine they can work on and a clutch pedal they can use. Now ///M cars are made in higher volumes and are much easier to drive, so you'll get both car guys and non car guys buying them.
For example, the 997 GT3 Porsche was a car for car guys. 6-speed manual and not too many electronic nannies. The new 991 GT3 has a PDK so you have people like clueless housewives driving it because it has an automatic drive mode.
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It's a faster transmission, but that doesn't mean you're a faster driver.
A fast driver is a mentality and skillset, a fast driver ISN'T having a dual clutch transmission or for example 1000hp. A fast driver knows how to apex around a corner, knows how much steering input to give, knows how to modulate his gas and brake (and left foot brake), knows how to prevent understeer and manage oversteer... THIS is a fast driver. If you give a novice an M3/M4 with DCT, it will not make him a faster driver. He just happens to be piloting a fast car. A decent driver with track/autocross experience in a manual M3/M4 will beat an average Joe in a DCT M3/M4.
Not to mention, most of the owners that drive these cars don't track them regularly, so the whole "it's faster" argument can fly out the window. In the real world a manual vs. DCT M3/M4 are equally as fast because you're both gonna end up side by side at the next red traffic light, the next construction zone, the next rush hour freeway... completely useless in the real world.
Daniel Mirzotti DCT car will win at the lights.
"Oh, you could have gone 0.0003 seconds faster if you had the DCT option."
"I don't care, I'm having fun."
Nearly 100% of the authoritative comments are from people with cars not even close to the ones in the video, let alone any of the cars they mention and fanboy in their text.
This put me in half. My first car was a manual, being a teenager I was very excited to have a manual, and now I have a automatic. As an adult it is more practical and saves a lot of energy especially when you're on a long drive with traffic.
My final thoughts are, the manual is more fun to drive but the DCT has better responsive time that gives you a stronger kick.
You're a solid dude, Sam for letting Nick bring his dog in your new car! Good man!
+Anthony Dlugos Tui is a cute dog, plus we wanted to make a great video! Thanks man!
Love the fact that it rev matches , that is an awesome feature
Great video Nick, thanks for taking the time to make this video i found it interesting and enjoyable to watch.
Once the Warranty runs out I wouldn't recommend Automatic vehicles
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New Automatic Gearboxes often are more expensive to repair than replacing the engine
Modern Mechanics will tell you " You need a new Gearbox " even if the same only needs a sensor , to try to get more money from you
bingo, though they only get complex with dct a torque converter driven gearbox is fairly simple, I'd argue even more so than a older manual gear box. often times though they do know better and try to rip you off. last time I ever brought my car into a shop, it had a bad shift solinoid, they were going to charge me $2.5k for a rebuild for a $12.50 part, it does require you to drop the tranny and open it up to get to the solenoid but last time I checked opening it up and replacing a single sensor doesn't constitute a rebuild. at this point point was already set in my mind I was going to do it myself, but I felt the need to prod the mech. for trying to pull one over on me, so I asked since your doing a rebuild do I have any warranty on the new parts and rebuild, such as the torque converter, he said no because they aren't going to be replaced, so I asked how can you call it a rebuild if you are rebuilding or changing anything, now your flat out telling me I'm paying over 2k and my torque converter could go a week later and it'll cost me another 2k? AL WAYS do your own research if I didn't prior to going to the shop I might have spent 2k on the replacement of a $12 part.
+niceguy60 Good automatic transmissions (toyota...) will outlive the car itself...
+sdfajbdakisjdgh very true. If it's built well (not a lemon) than taking good care will extend the life of anything exponentially
+niceguy60 In the near future, you wont have a choice. If you dislike automatic transmissions now, wait till you get your hands on a CVT.
+niceguy60 Oh and think of the MT as the boss you've always wanted. Then the CVT comes in and he's like "you and I are going to be enemies for the rest of your life".
CVT: You want control of your cars engine? You want sportiness? I think not!!!!
8:05 how far he is from the steering wheel is hilarious !
I like both transmissions, drove one of these w/ the DCT as well and its quick.
DCT vs MT
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Machine vs Free weights
Treadmill vs Running
Non-iron Shirt vs Cotton Shirt
Computer vs chalk n board
Latest smart phone vs cup n string
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Fleshlight vs palm
@@DR-ld4jn The best comparison yet. :D Ha ha
mastr...n vs real sex
Charcoal bbq vs gas bbq
Dual clutch in city is a must for me...which is about ~95% of driving I do.
Yeah I love manuals but in city traffic it's horrible. That's the only reason I'd prefer an auto all day
+Ian Thompson for daily driving........just forget about manual......
Having owned a E-46 six speed manual, and now a DCT M-4 I think both have value as far as fun, but when I took the DCT for the first test run before buying, it blew me away...had to trade up because of the transmission more than anything. I also find that it is much nicer when stuck in traffic or just taking it easy, but if you want to hoon it up, there is a lot of fun to be had with the lightning quick, sharp shifts...
As much as i dont agree and am baffled that you went from such an amazing manual car with an amazing chassis to a DCT M car, i can respect your choice. It is cool seeing how quick and seamless the shifts are. I cant say i think its even close to being as fun, but its cool and fast.
@@javidgt8 Dude manuals profoundly suck in slow traffic and when your eating or holding your girlfriends hand .. All things that bugged me on my BMW and swore Id never buy a manual again
My first car as a teen was a manual and now I'm in love with every performance car in a stick shift, now currently owning a 2016 m3
nick, you have to be one of the nicest guys. you seem to have a ton of fun making videos too, keep it up man! love watching them!
Very cool comparison Nick! Can't go wrong with either transmission really!
subaruwrxfan Yes there is no wrong choice as you say Matt
+Nick Murray very nice comparison! Now I need to drive the MT on the M4! But shouldn't you already know these little arrows next to the gear number? My DCT M4 also shows me which gear I should choose.
subaruwrxfan Thanks! I'm a fan of your channel. Getting squirrely!
Yeah...the transmission is not the problem...it's the over rated car that comes with it !!!! FORZA ALFA BABY !!! ALFA ROMEO GIULIA QUADRIFOGLIO ALL DAY LONG AND TWICE ON SUNDAY OVER THESE GERMAN *HITBOXWS !!!
Deadass id take a Giulia any day over the basic mainstream german cars
seating position is incorrect, there shouldn't be straight arms
bmw fool position behind the wheel. I hope I don't become douche when I buy beemer :D
ugh you don't get it xp
he's trying to show his triceps LOL
He's sitting in someone else's car. It's possible that he didn't want to adjust the man's seat.
Bossnian763 i believe it has memory seats
It probably does, but maybe he didn't want to mess with it? I have memory seats and I have yet to program it. Idk, just playing devil's advocate
Totally, no manual transmission = no fun to me!
Manual is the way to go! Especially in an old car it makes every trip an amazing journey :D
Idiots care about who has MT and who has DCT. Normal people don`t care and mind their own business while being happy with the choice they made.
Nuff said.
+John Crusader shutup nerd
+Eduardo Segovia but there's keyboard warriors who try to make themselves sound like a man because they drive stick lol
+Eduardo Segovia if you're deep into cars you'd appreciate whatever other enthusiasts choose to drive
+Alexander D meh, not really. i really enjoy straight cut manual sequentials, but outside of motorbikes and indycars they don't really exist. that said i'd never get an auto or a dct or any kind of robotic sequentials
+Alexander D Exactly.. Thank you!
Drove manual literally for decades - DONE with them, especially for daily driving and especially in traffic.
I've only been driving for a few years, and as a Manual guy, I would have to agree with you on both those scenarios you mentioned. Traffic is the worst in a manual, clutch control becomes annoying real quick.
theRealAV8r amen, same hear love manual but now it has to be an option to be my daily. Meaning only for a second car
There's something to be said for how lazy you all seem. OMG MOVING MY LEFT FOOT AND RIGHT ARM IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD... Only scrubs and senior citizens care. >.>
Glenn Hubbard Sales statistics don't support that. Relatively few consumers of any age care for it in a daily driver. It serves no useful purpose whatsoever any more.
And I could just as easily say you're just young, have something to prove, and are easily impressed, but I won't ;)
theRealAV8r Sales statistics don't really mean much. How do you know the reason more people buy more automatics, isn't because they'd prefer to text and drive?
You said you drove many decades denoting your age, and the little feller that was agreeing with you states he's only been driving for a few years... I'm neither young, nor old. I've owned many cars, both manual and automatic. Manuals keep people engaged more so than automatics. Ergo, automatics are for lazy/old people that either can't or won't move their arms and legs.
Thx for the honest review Nick. I couldn't care less abt how much millisecond faster a dct can change or if it had launch control and bla3. some of us drive not to race but rather appreciate the various pleasures that come from a well engineered car. and u've addressed all aspects here. cheers.
LOL Excellent video Nick. I have an E39 M5 as well & agree that this manual is superb. Thank you for the great video & one day I hope to have an F80 M3 or M4. I also like the amount of humor & down to earth realism you put into these genuine videos. Bravo & cheers mate...
Must be time to start modifying your m4 now Nick! He's done 2000 miles and he's ahead!
matt avery I know I need to focus
Those spacers and the grille is a need!
Nick Murray *Well real men drive manual transmission xD*
I personally think the xenon headlights make the front of the car look even better compared to the LED headlights.
anotherone10 the leds look nicer at night
Yeah the angel eyes are more of a perfect circle with the xexons, LEDs are not e perfect circle
I like the look of the LEDs, to each his own 😀
lol, no one understands what this po wants to say?
+AKIRA xx I thought most of the expense of Xenon went into the ballast and installation. The bulbs are pretty inexpensive, IIRC.
Thank you for your research on this topic nick. I got more information here than on the BMW Product Page! Great Job!
Sold on the manual now. Nice vid and Sam seems like an all ground great guy!!
It's really a shame that here is Brazil you can only get the DCT. Both transmissions are great, but personally i prefer the manual - because i feel it's more engaging. Excellent review as always.
Manual all the way. It's where the skill and enthusiasm comes, and connects driver to the car. The rev matching is neat, possibly better for the drivetrain. That said I've never had a drivetrain issue in 150,000 miles on my manual Mustang including rev matching, heal-toe downshifting, drag racing, multi gear downshifts, engine braking in daily rush hour traffic, etc. Wouldn't trade a manual for anything.
This is an excellent video, its helping me decide how to proceed with my next 3 Series purchase.
Same. Though if I do buy an E92 it will be a DCT as that's all I'm looking at. Not only does it appear to be the best transmission for this particular car it sounds like a ton of fun. I'll find out Wednesday when I drive my first one.
nice video bmw's are insane these days best cars out there mines 10 years old 2005 e87 0-60 7.6 now and it still knock spots of some newer cars ive drove
My two cents: Automatic has reached a point where it will mostly be faster than a manual. Okay. That being said, many MANY car enthusiasts are not race car drivers and are not out to set lap records, and their typical canyon run does not include live timing or shit like that so... for me at least, its all about fun. So Manual it is.
Then why not a dual clutch automatic with a simulated clutch pedal and shifter with a program telling it to act like a manual ...dont think for one second this could not be done and simulate it perfectly ... and remind you every moment you drive how foolish and childish you are puming that fake pedal and shifting that fake gear shifter lol .... and when you get tired of the manual just unbolt and unplug those simulated pedal and shifter and switch the program back to auto
I drive racing cars, have done for 21 years, and prefer manual. All racing cars I’ve ever driven, and almost all in existence, are manual with a clutch foot pedal or hand paddle. That gives you full control and maximum involvement.
@@RobManser77 False ..Nascar forces manuals but all and I mean all racing that allows autos use and win with them almost always using paddle shifters .. Been proven time and again you loose when you compete against double clutch autos ...Manuals are always slower and I mean always .. No manual driver has won any major races for decades , in fact they only exist in formulas that force them to like nascar
Nice video. He said that he was coming from an E39 M5. That is my favorite car! If you could review one, I would be extremely happy :))
Manual shift will always be a more intimate and rewarding driving experience in my opinion. I own a DSG GTI and a 6spd manual e92 M3. I don't necessarily miss the clutch when I drive the GTi- but there are times when the gearbox gets confused and it is annoying. Two different cars I know but the point is- even the best DCT's, DSG's etc can be a little cumbersome and the manual is always on point.
The video quality is superb. Kudos!
LOL, Tui is awesome. He doesn't give a s#!t about MT or DCT, he doesn't care if you launch the car at 3000 nor he doesn't care if you go with 100mph :))) He owns the back of the car like a boss.
Manual for the win. Now, always, and forever.
More engaging, more fun, more in control.
Samsomite "Manuel for win" is not true for Porsche. P-D-K ;)
Slower tho... :(
I prefer manual transmissions but I have a DCT in my 2011 335is and absolutely love it! This car is modded and exists solely for performance so having a superior performing transmission is a must. What I really like are the various modes that can be selected to alter the personality of the car from docile to hostile. This is truly the ultimate driving machine!
I really liked the dual-clutch over the manual in the E92 M3. Which is not what you'd typically expect for a purist car with the V8. I love the dual clutch in the new car too and haven't driven the manual version yet
Why doesn't BMW update the design of the manual shift knob? Wasn't it the roughly the same ever since the early 2000s?
+Jesse Chen Probably a very good/comfort design that they can't improve much.
MartinsArmAChannel It's the design I'm talking about. In other words, aesthetics.
+MartinsArmAChannel its called innovation. If everyone thought the way you do, we'd be in the stone age, content with out flints, pointy sticks and wheels. lol
Shopping/to do list for Nick:
Black wheels
Black grills
Carbon fibre rear spoiler
Remove (those god awful) front reflectors
15mm spacers
Front splitter (depending on if you live near speed bumps)
Squeegee - to clean off dribble/man juice from your car.
Nastypsychoboy Or buy a 911
+Nick Murray lol, yes, rather that than the almost total makeover of the M4. :)
Nick Murray You must be missing the roof rails and reduced torque and I would have thought that those additional parts would double the re-sale price and make Nick Murray's customised M4 (with free Tui hair) one of the most sought after M4's on the market. *chortle
Grodan Boll lol, no, I think 'total makeover' is an exaggeration, more like minor aesthetic embellishments considering with the exception of the spacers and front splitter most of the parts I mentioned can come as standard options from BMW, I would consider the Vorsteiner M4 as a total makeover. :)
No black wheels
With a manual, I can see that a hill or turn is coming up and downshift gears earlier whereas automatic/dc is reactionary because it has to feel the difference before it shifts.
I currently have a 2016 Honda NC700X DCT & absolutely love the way it drives. Technically I can put it into two different sport mode or paddle shift it or just put it into Drive and it will cycle through all six gears naturally. I’ve noticed driving down steep roads like 7% drops. I don’t even have to apply the brakes the DCT could since this and it self adjusted by engine braking.
"It's not an automatic!" Yes it is, companies fudged the terminology to appeal to enthusiasts. Get in the car, drive it around, it changes gears automatically.
not if you shift early
ImBarryScottCSS A DCT is an automated manual transmission. I say that because a typical DCT has a very similar build to a manual transmission. But the computer moves the shift forks and controls the 2 clutches.
A typical automatic transmission in a car is nothing but a set(or more) of planetary gear sets that change ratios based on engaged clutch packs. Which in term are pre set by hydraulic pressure in the valve system (transmission RPM, newer ones use computers in combination) and a torque converter with lockup clutch to send power to the transmission. 100% self controlled...automatic.
So in a way a DCT is, but at the same time is not, an automatic transmission.
Just mess with the paddles and suddenly it's an automated manual, but then put it in drive and it's an automatic transmission.
English Muffin.... Yes, spot on.
English Muffin Nice copy paste from google twat
Hamza Ali Funny, as this is my own writing coming from my head and the time and effort I have spent learning these things throughout the years. This is the way I actually speak when I debate. No copy pasta.
There's no "man" in automatic...
what crawled up your ass bud
GearzMoney Tell that to Tom Atic..
Ricky P but there is in manual
so people Manual >be a man u all>drive manual
You're not a "man" even if you drive manual.
Nick, love the vids! What is your preferred method of washing the M4?
I like BMW M4 & M3 cars. Thanks for show this.
I know the dual clutch is faster but I don't care, the manual is much more enjoyable to drive
+Bryan Doherty I can guarantee you that an experienced driver can face a DCT anytime, 7 gears against 5 or 6. You don't have to shift through all that gears. Drag racers have 2 or 3 gears, and for good reason, and they can still shift hella fast.
Cristian Ceclan I was thinking just regular day to day driving. I'm sure an experienced driver using a dog clutch manual can shift just as fast or many even faster than a DCT. But with a synchro manual which is what every road car has can't shift that fast. You can shift them that fast but it's bad for them, where a dog clutch you have to slam into gear, or you'll break it. I'm not arguing against you, I just thought of it that way. I'm assuming dragsters use dog clutch manuals as those transmissions are for Motorsport purposes
***** I don't mind driving a standard in traffic at all, I just avoid it because you're basically riding the clutch. I hate DCT cars when you're moving them slowly, every DCT car I've drove is a pain in the ass to park and jerky
Did you guys upgrade the speakers in the car so you can hear the engine noise more?
I totally agree with the manual making you closer with the car, would love to drive this M in a manual, i have the 235i and the DCT is fantastic but it must be so much more fun to drive a manual BMW
I Love the DCT and the manual/option and the fact it goes back to auto on its own if you forget. If I was 20 years younger it would defo be the stick though
I couldn't care less if the DCT is a little bit faster; the manual is, and will always be, more fun to drive.
Just add a foot pedal and a shifter and electronically link it to the DCT to make it behave like a manual .... that way the children can have their manuals ... I mean they could make it behave exactly like a manual .... then when you need both hands on the wheel to win a race just flip a switch ...boom .. double clutch auto with paddle shifters ... now you have both ....you would be happy with that right ?
Manual is more fun but DCT wins all the time anytime in a race.
it depends on driver
In the E92, there was a difference in gearing between the 6MT vs DCT, where it seemed like the car was designed more so for the DCT than the manual. Driving the manual in the city in lower RPMs felt incredibly slow. Are the gearboxes much more similar in this car?
I know the top gear is different, because the economy differs. Like you I’d be interested to see the ratios though.
The arrow by the gears tell you what gear to shift into depending on air flow it runs off a vacuum
The other advantage of the MT is a near 40kg weight reduction vs DCT. Important for various reasons.
mlhj83 Good point
I'll admit that DCT transmissions are really cool. Gear changes are really smooth, and if you floor it you will just hit a high speed really quick. But I'll just stick (no pun intended) to my manual for now even if my rev match is not perfect. :) Sick video
Also DCT transmissions just like manual transmissions have a high fuel efficiency, easier to repair, and lighter and cheaper, and just like automatic transmission you also get a smooth drive experience, so the power flow is constant.
Having a rev matching manual would be cool. I usually brake before the corner, double clutch downshift in the turn then power out of it. I can't heel toe, haven't learnt that trick yet but my technique works fine, it gets me to work and back.
In the DC do you have to take your foot off the gas when changing gears and could you ruin the transmission if you shift bad?
How about weight difference? Manual should be lighter...
woah that dudes teeth are perfect!
Dual clutch is great and launch control is very nice, but you just can't beat the manual. Great control and loads of fun.
still love manually rowing thru the gears!
Manual is much more driving pleasure! And cheaper, too. But don't sit that far from the steering wheel.
except for price, I don't understand why anyone would not want the dual clutch. Way faster, and you can still be engaged in the drive by changing gears by yourself without having to depress a clutch pedal/moving the shift knob. I agree that the manual would be more fun for a bit, but after a while it would get old.
+amaroudis can you drive a manual?
beyondthelol
yes
More robust.
Not the same type of engagement, the car is still doing everything for you. The fact that you can stall the car if you dont know to drive it properly proves just how much more engaging it is. The fact that you can throw it into the wrong gear and blow your shit up is proof. Sure these dont sound like good things, but the point is youre TRULY engaged to the car. The shifter is mechanically physically connected to the trans gears and the clutch is physically connecting the engine and trans to allow movement. Paddles are just buttons that tell the car "ok now"
Compared to a manual, is the DCT inexpensive to maintain? Is a DCT as reliable as a manual? Is a DCT smooth in slow/heavy stop/start traffic? Can you pop-start a car with a DCT if you need to?
Am buying 328i e90 2015 model I love the sound of manual transmission.Thanks guys
doesn't care about dog in the car drooling, rips it through gravel (doesn't take care of car), buys an auto, these things usually go together
+Vasko G. So insightful
i know right?
Calm down bro. I suggest you don't ever look up rally car racing then. Cars are toys for us big boys that like to push a car to its limits. And don't trip over a little bit of dog drool or gravel.
+nikkieXI How did you manage to fit so much douche into such a short comment?
Nice bike douche
I agree if I had a choice to return my new BMW with the duel clutch 8 speed I would get the manual.
Hoping Sam doesn't use that same driving position in his own car 😱 Great vid Nick, got my F80 CP arriving in two weeks, finding your channel has eased the wait 😊
4:10 haha the dog was interested in the automatic transmission question as well.
Great video, Nick. Any plans to review a c7 Corvette?
***** Indeed there is
Nick Murray Awesome! I have that, a future M2 or an M4 as my next vehicle!
I didn't even know there where any new BMW's available with a manual.. that's awesome.
Yes! They still remain the "ultimate driving machine"!
Do you have to take your foot off the gas when you manually shift up in a dual clutch automatic?
About launching in the dual clutch.Are manual mode and aggressive gear change mode two different modes you have to activate? And also with the launch, when you take your foot off the brake and don't accelerate does, how far does it launch you?
Oh, I don't see an M3 here. Hmmmm. M4 vs M4 the title needs to say,
Ive driven both, the manual is MUCH better imo. Better feel 90% of time, dct feels better 10% ie flat changes and maybe track.
What is the throttle response like with the DCT? Can you get on and off the gas like a manual or does it take time for the computer to adjust?
Ive driven both, my cousin has the M5 with dual n I got a S3 manual and I gotta say even tho they differ a lot in power nothing beats a sweet clutch and a grip on a gear stick.
that dct is fast but I love manual cars
Manual is the best!
stop lying!
Yea it is the best, but sometimes it's useful that DCT changes the gears faster...
lol my 06 gmc canyon 2.8L single cab has something to say ........voooorrrrmmmmmmm....................stfu you manual fuckers. ill heal toe downshift your ass around any Conner or and straight away
+FUNG CHANG Does it really matter? The DCT is faster than the manual. If you care about shifting the gears instead of letting the computer do it,fine get a manual. But if you care about performance,get the DCT
***** basically what i meant was if you want to shift gears,buy a manual,if you want to go fast,get the dct
Great production Nick. What gimbal do you use?
I have a 2016 m3 dot but when I put my foot down the back skids/ tires skid out and then I stop. Why?