The Tree of Might's 5 English Dubs
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2020
- We are going back into Dragon Ball Z Big Green but this time we are not only looking at AB Groupe's dub but we are comparing the other English dubs as well from, Saban/Ocean, Pioneer/Ocean, Funimation and Speedy.
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I legitimately thought Tien's "We'll see about that, EAGH!" line was just Phelous taking the piss at first.
Tenshinhan* Tien is one of Funi's many mistranslations.
@@umbrellaunderdog Oh no, Tien is accurate to his name’s origin. It’s “Tien Shinhan” that’s inaccurate, because that’s just nonsense.
If it was just Tien in the dub, it would be fine.
31:35 "I couldn't die knowing you're still alive".
That's actually a pretty badass line. Side note: I used to call turles "turtle-es" as a kid.
Sean Schemmel - *TAKE THIS TURLES!!! A GIFT, FROM THE EARRRRRRTH!!!*
Ian James Corlett - TAKE THIS TURLES!!! A GIFT, FROM THE EARRRRRTH!
Peter Kelamis - Turles, I’ll never forgive you. And now, eat this!
David Gasman - Now you’ll answer for all the evil you’ve caused. HERE! Take thiiiiiiis!
??? - I can forgive uuuuuuuu. Turreees. Take thiiis….
Truly a grand representation of quality.
P.S. The Speedy dub sounds like they were voiced by Tommy Wieasu
Peter: "It's over Turles, and I'll never forgive you......unless you brought the Cupcakes of Sorryness."
Sounds like Dingo pictures for speedy dubs
Dingo Dub: Take this, Turtles. Earth has presents for you.
Peter Kelamis is my favorite English Goku
Oh hi Mark
"I kept writing Turtles when I meant to write Turles"
Clearly because when Turles gets shot UP the Tree of Might he gets alot of SPLINTERS on the way up. And you know how Turtles HATE Splinter!
*I HATE SPLINTER!*
"WHAT are you talking about?"
@@SammEater "YOU guys are PA-THE-TIC!"
@@SammEater tmnt dude teenage mutant Ninja turtles
@@jasminkrieger8228 They were quoting.
"I couldn't die knowing you're still alive."
Alright that was pretty badass. Maybe its cuz the dub comes off more as a parody so we don't expect it, but that serious line in the midst of this mess was pretty badass. Dare I say, it's better then the funimation dub for that one bit.
I'm still not entirely convinced Phelous didn't make up that Tien voice. It's just too ridiculous!
I can't help but wonder if the AB Group looked at Tien and thought "Ahhh!! That third eye must mean he's an alien!!" and thus we got what we hear now.
That's the only possible explanation I can think of.
It's like Italian King Atlas in Dingo's Perseus
Look! I can see his lack of giving a shit! He's okay!
As a matter of fact, it isn't!
@@chrisheimva4857 Isn't he? I mean last he checked humans do not have 3 eyes and Goku is an alien too.
Gohan: "Do you think we should be friends?"
Trunks: "No. We should be enemies."
Frieza: "Most of the Saiyans are sooooo stupid. HEHEHEHEHE"
Goku: it's not done joke here joke there finished play another game
@@annien7831 Goku: O-kAy?
The Saiyans! MY GOD!
Certainly.
"Saiya People" is an literal translation of the Japanese term for Saiyan, Saiya-jin. Speedy does this for every race too, so you get "Namek people" too.
@AT Productions Before google translate existed! They sure were ahead of their time.
@AT Productions" Saiya" is the actual name for the planet but "Saiyan" sounds more complete and natural to English (?) ears.
@@inconemay1441 Yeah, "Saiyan" is an accurate way to translate it, since "Saiya-jin" means "People of the planet Saiya" and English uses -ian to denote that usually (like with Martian)
Saiya-People don't have the same feel as Saiyans.
In the Spanish dub (I think audio latino) the races & techniques were kept with the Japanese names such Saiyajin & Genkidama.
Oh my God. Shenron's voice in the Speedy dub. I was not prepared.
“Oh geez Goku is eating. It’s gonna be really hard to get his attention. *GOKU!!!!!*”
“Huh?”
Ok this dub wins for most accurate portrayal of character.
Ah yes, Turles, famous in DBZ due to every one of _his race_ becoming a giant gorilla.
Hey, he just wants to have a clear conscience.
That is true Phelas.
King kong
also he hates christmas
"I am Turles!" "No you're not!"
And from thereon the man formerly known as Turles went on a journey to find out who he truly was.
I guess they told him he wasn't a bunch of turtles put together?
JoJolion
Turles being Goku from a different dimension. That would make him the one that destroyed Champa's earth.... that would make way too much sense.
That would be an awesome plot!
Who’s Champa????
@@akiraeatsguitarpicks491 From DB Super.
But how did he get here? I kinda think he should've been Goku's twin brother. Which he was in the Big Green dub
@@masterfarr8265 The thing is, there's easily an explanation, and it also comes from Dragon Ball Super: Time Rings. They're items that allow beings to teleport to any point in a timeline, or even between timelines in some instances. Which an actually evil Goku, Goku Black, uses.
"I just wanna get outta here! I don't care about tha rest!"
Classy as always Blooma.
Are we sure Speedy isn't just the reincarnation of Dingo?
Dingo is easier to understand than Speedy, though the EastWest dubs certainly try at times to get to that level of incomprehensible.
The dragonballs! MY GOD!
Speedy is pretty much Dingo in fast foward.
Hi mas, fancy seeing you here =3
@@phelous no man, Speedy has to be a group made up of those guys that did the Japanese Transformers dubs.
Think about it, I bet to get to Namek, the group had to ride on Spaceship Bruce.
We all know the real reason why Phelan likes this movie: Big Green Tur(t)les.
Well, Phelous does need to have a clear conscience.
@@SsnakeBite
And yes, everyone of his race can become an giant gorilla
Ninja Turles
Okay, Scott McNeil's version of Piccolo confronting Turles is downright BADASS.
Yeah, I'm glad these Pioneer releases exist so you get to hear the early Ocean dub not tied to the silly censorship.
"Scott McNeil's version of Piccolo is downright BADASS." Fixed that for you; you had some extra words in there.
Phelan Porteous youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
punches
Punches back
I don't know why, but I can listen to you talk about Dragon Ball Z dubs for hours.
They eventually took the best people from all DubbS and re-dubbed everything And that’s how we got the DUbs everybody knows and likes today.
And even though people don’t like Dragon Ball GT it was that series that brought all the ones together from all different job studios into one mishmash of all the best voices from each dub
The only ones I didn’t think that were let in To do the later Dubs were the speedy group
Actually you're idea of what Turles being Kakarot from another timeline sounds infinitely more interesting than just another lower class saiyan Phelous. Right on dude
Yeah it sounds way more interesting
I like the idea of Turles being Bardock's twin brother making him Goku's Evil Uncle.
@@anthonyluetmer8499 I swear that would have been better. But another evil family member would be a bit too much like Raditz
@@guilhermehank4938 fair point.
that was done way more convulted later in dragon ball super with goku black.
Why does it sound like the "Big Green" dub was made in the 1980s instead of the early 2000s?? 😂😂😂😂
cheap equipment
Speedy Dub was made in the 1980s BC
Why talk about the different versions? Simple, because its actually really fascinating to see the different interpitations of a scene through the character voices and lines. This is especially true when it comes to the different Gokus in comparison with each other.
Look I can see their parachutes, they're ok
Tullece/Turles had one on him so he safely landed after the Sprit Bomb blasted him up the tree and into the air
You just wait till it grows back!
@@justmedavid2977 he destroyed the cargo robot. AND THE CARGO WAS PEOPLE
Too bad it's Sunday
That area was evacuated, but it will give them something to think about!
You should hear Speedy dub Vegeta. He sounds like a chain smoker version of Speedy Gonzales
SPEEDY GOT COPD
“Kakarotto is-a mine. Nobudy touches him, not even you!”
¡Arriba, too bad es el domingo, there would have been muchachos inside tomorrow, Andalé!
Que lastima que es Domingo!
@@comixproviderftw_02 he's italian?
Big Green Tein is one of the funniest things I've seen in this series in quite a long time. He really does sound like a Muppet.
I couldn't die knowing you're still alive. Probably the best line from big greens dub
Congratulations for the CZcams award at the background
Apparently the voice cast of the Speedy DBZ dub consisted mostly of random video rental store employees that Speedy Productions got a hold of. Which I doubt most of them even knew a word of English.
I feel like if you handed me a Script in another language, I could read it phonetically better than that...
@@TimTE01 There isn't even that much of an excuse since Malaysia has an average score of 58.55 in English Proficiency, being 3rd highest in Asia and 26th internationally. I mean they were a British colony for 133 years.
This has been debunked, as it was revealed a few years ago that the cast was actually made up of professional Malay dubbers trying to speak English, some of which actually appeared in the Malay dub of DBZ.
Time for Phelous to send this English dub to another dimension.
The "I won't forgive you" is a very common thing you have people say in Anime. I assume it sounds less weird in Japanese.
From looking into it, yeah it's something a lot more common / understandable in Japanese. It's usually a translation of "yurusenai" with the connotation being less just "I won't forgive you" on a personal offense level, and more "what you have done is unforgivable" usually implying that the person you're saying it to is too horrible for redemption, not necessarily that you previously considered forgiving them or anything.
I probably does
Still a fairly clunky line.
@AT Productions I feel people didn’t take notice of your phrasing here. I’m kinda worried for you lol.
Is it really even a Shounen Anime, if someone isn't declaring their refusal to ever forgive someone?
I love when Phelan mocks the voice acting. He’s got a talent to match the silliness. Amazing video!
I wish he was a voice actor for adult swim tbh
Dragon empress he’d definitely be a phenomenal voice actor.
I look forward to Phelous getting to the return of Cooler dubs with Piccolo voiced by a deranged gremlin.
"Your majesty"? I know there is a "king" in king kai's name but still.
The Swedish dub goes above and beyond with Turles' name-confusion and instead refers to him as Raditz!
I remember watching this movie and being so disappointed by that cause why would the animators change Raditz's hair for no reason?!
I was glad to learn later that Turles is actually his own character.
I think the story works better as an alternate retelling of Raditz then random Saiyan who looks like Goku.
@@AntonioCardenasT Tbh, I would've been fine with it being Raditz too, if they'd kept his design from the manga (long hair FTW).
I mean Chiaotzu was the emporer of china in a dub
@@masterfarr8265 they got confused with the third db movie where he was an emperor
Big Green's Shenron had kind of a Mojo Jojo thing going there for a minute at 11:07
"Think carefully about your one wish, because whatever it is, I can only grant one wish."
"I'll never forgive you" is a pretty literal translation of the Japanese. I think it's supposed to evoke something closer to "unforgivable" but no one ever translates it that way.
Sometimes anime subs translate them as "you'll pay for this" which makes it sound like they are demanding money or something"
Pioneer Ocean used more accurate translations than the others. Kinda wished they stayed on for the other movies I prefer Peter Kelamis as Goku anyway
It's such a nonsense thing to say.
I'll never forgive anime dubs that do such a thing.
@@umbrellaunderdog They should have been the ones to get the license to begin with.
5 English dubs? Man, the 'sub over dub' crowd must be fuming.
It was a different time.
Curse of The Blood Rubies may have even more than that.
There's also the Mystery of Mamo's Lupin The 3rd movie,with 4 different dubs,all included in Discotek's release.
@@johnnysasaki
Also if you count TeamFourStar Dragonball Z abridged. It's *ACTUALLY*
6 English Dubs for DragonBall Z!
It's honestly refreshing coming across dub discussion videos like this without the annoying "sub>dub" sentiment.
Plus come on, the Ocean Pioneer dub for Tree of Might is legitimately really good.
@@chrisheimva4857
Yeah, the Ocean Pioneer dub is the best dub out of the five. Still DBZ abridged is 2nd best English dub of tree of might or should i say Christmas tree of might!
That "Turles is an alternate universe Goku" concept is actually a neat idea.
It'd be better than Goku Black, anyway.
Yooourr wiiish has beeen grantedGOODBYEFOREVER!!
Yay!!!! more big green
Still waiting for Big Green Broly
@@EnsignRicky011
*WHEN BROLY?!?!*
*WHEN BIG-GREEN BROLY?!?!?!*
Awesome
@@thatonea-hole ALL HAIL PRINCESS TRUNKS
@@EnsignRicky011GOKU?
KAKAROTUU!!!
KAKAUT!!!!
Lost it anytime the big question mark appears when the Speedy clips are shown
Phelous + DBZ = a very happy Friday!!
Crystal Cube Z is one of my favorite shows, along with Crystal Cube, Crystal Cube GT, Crystal Cube Z Kai and Crystal Cube Super.
Crystal cube GT is not canon.
Big Green Tien sounds like someone trying to do a impression of Beavis.
@A.C.
It's funny how Butthead's VA in the german dub was the same as Goku's
I was leaning more towards Waspinator.
He also kinda sounds like 80's Voltron Pidge.
@@DigiMega351
Yeah, I can hear it too.
We need more in-depth video editorials on media with multiple English versions. Thank you for delivering as usual, Phelous.
In the original Japanese, the Tree of Might is called 神精樹, Shinseiju, lit. "Divine Spiritual Tree" so the tree itself is divine in origin despite its use by a villain! Also when King Kai says God is only allowed to eat the fruit he is likely referring to those who hold the position of Kami/Guadian (based upon how he said it, the implication is that only those who take upon the position of Kami/God which at the time of the film was held by the Good Half of the Nameless Namekian known as Kami due to taking on the title by becoming Kami of Earth!) In XENOVERSE 2, Elder Kai expands upon the concept by claiming only gods like himself & Chronoa are permitted to consume the holy fruit thus including the Supreme Kais among the gods known to be allowed to consume the fruit (presumably in modern Dragon Ball it would also likely apply to Gods of Destruction like Beerus, Angels such as Whis, & possibly the Omni-King Zeno as they are literally the King of all the Gods & who could really say no to Zeno a being who can literally erase entire universes out of existence)!
25:37 He almost slipped into Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged Dartz. Almost
“Pweviusly, on da Yu-Gay-Oh”.
Ah i see you're a man of culture as well.
It's a dou do the daith, mayun!
(whips out his daick)
Heck at 2x speed, he straight up turns into the Micro Machine Manat that point. It’s hilarious.😆
Speedy Dub Roshi: [ senile old man gibberish ]
Speedy Dub Turles: Dat is de way to use, where u r strongly conscious. Dat u r de Saiya-People!
Speedy Dub Goku: Kaioken... Up to ten tiiiiiiiiimes!
I think it's sort of safe to say when DBZ was growing more in popularity here in the US, this movie was the quintessential 'starter' movie to watch for it.
Ah, those early days. They were fun.
Phelous, we need a definitive opinion: Rank every DBZ english dub
Does that include the TeamFourStar Dragonball Z abridged? It counts as an English dub, right?!
@@thatonea-hole sure, why not?
@@freakfoxvevo7915
*YEAH!!*
Allow me. From best to worst.
Pioneer
Funination
Saban
AB
Speedy
@@Channeleven2345789
But where would you rank the Dragonball z abridged English dub?
If Big Green Piccolo can't help let that child alone, it's up to Big Green Tien!
BG Tien: "Nnnyeeeehhhhhhhhhh!"
And Gohan's dead. Oh well, at least BG Tien had a clear conscience.
I am glad I was able to see Wabuu wearing scouter within my lifetime
I actually vaguely recall there being a side-manga that said Turles and Raditz were BFFs as kids. Guess he just one day was just like "Wow dude, your dad is an average fighter but he's a BRILLIANT stylist!" and was never the same again.
might have been a Fan-comic.
also i have seen fan stuff ship Raditz and Turles which is just. kinda weird.
I love it when Phelous sometimes when Goku talks, he uses King MAGOD's voice.
12:54 Woah! What's the big deal anyway? "It's not done!"
13:00 "Finished! Play another game. Okay?"
Shenron has reused some of Goku's parts, along with some other new parts, and has reconstructed another Goku and renamed him New Goku (Speedy Dub)
oh my god Tien always makes me lose my shit in this
and we're all with you :3
I can't help but wonder if the AB Group looked at Tien and thought "Ahhh!! That third eye must mean he's an alien!!" and thus we got what we hear now.
That's the only possible explanation I can think of.
17:51 - “Ori-ginall-ee the one who is allowed to eat dis fruit is only Gah!”
Yeah...Gah! My favorite DBZ character
Over here in Sweden we were lucky enough to get some of the movies translated, doubly lucky because they apparently based their translations on the Big Green dubs. For Tree of Might and onwards, I think they did a pass on some of the character names because Piccolo was called Big Green previously and now he was just called Piccolo. They got a little overexcited and 'corrected' Turles' name to Raditz, though.
Även om manuset blev tokigt pågrund av att de översatte från Big green dubben så är de flesta av röstskådespelarna passande för sina roller.
Please, please never stop using "is that ok"
The flame must be kept alive.
All this stuff about how all lower-class Saiyans supposedly look like Goku is reminding me of the late-90s _Knuckles the Echidna_ comic.
But at least that's his species
I can't hear Scott McNeil anymore without thinking of Bonesteel.
Well, it IS Scott if they left him in the woods for three months...
@@mitchfletcher2386 same here
All I hear is Dinobot
Bonesteel (disguised as couch): This isn't even my final form!
I knew there was a reason that name was familiar 😂
As a pro baseball MVP, Yamcha should be the wealthiest character in the main Dragon Ball cast (second to Bulma), so the part about him being in debt of 15 grand doesn't make sense if he most likely has millions.
Yeah though he might not be a baseball pro in the movie continuity. TFS has a funny short showing millionarie living his best life yamcha.
I know you haven’t done any big green reviews in forever but I’d absolutely love to see more. There’s still SO much more memes you could uncover
I've never seen someone needing to cough so bad they do it in their mind, we need more of that it was great
Moar brain coughing
Tullece beat Goku's ass so bad, he was coughing in his mind.
fun fact: AB was the group that bring us the whole Animes in the 80's french TV.
They used to bought for a cheap price a lot of animes and cut the violence, because they destined them to the children show "le club Dorothee".
Where you can have, for example episodes of Hokuto no Ken, but without the brutal deaths!
I remember the City hunter series was non-sensical because they cut out all the violence and sex. You were unable to understand a 20 min episode which was broadcast reduced to only 12 min remained.
Thanks to this butchered practices, AB now has a large empire of satellite televisions. Good job guys, well done.
So basically AB Group is kinda the 4Kids of France?
How do you cut out the violence from Hokuto no ken? What remains?
@@chrisheimva4857 not at all, i mean, i guess Saint Seiya was dubbed uncut
The Speedy dub flat out sounds like it came right out of a Dingo Pictures cartoon.
@AT Productions
*NYAH-HA, HA, HA!!!*
Sounds like the East West dubs more than anything.
OH GOD The auto-captions actually censored the Saban/Ocean dub at 8:30
THEY ACTUALLY DID!😱
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the auto-captions do that. And for the word “midget” of all words too! You’d think it would’ve done that for the N word instead.
@@keijijohnson9754
...does it _not_ censor the n-word? I’d be really surprised if it didn’t.
Why do characters in the Big Green dub always talk about having a clear conscience?
THAT'S THE TRADITION!
I had to rewatch Tenshinhan's lines several times because I couldnt believe it was the actual dub. It sounds exactly like Phelous doing a silly voice
"Anyway, a probe crashes and starts a fire"
It's a boy!
"Turles" name is meant to be "Tullece", a play on "lettuce".
The naming in DBZ was always weird to me.
They are always puns based on random themes.
...and me thinking his name came from "turnips"...
Those are closer to carrots anyway
@@TimTE01 Akira Toriyama did have an interesting way of thematic naming... like the Saiyans being named after vegetables, the Freeza Soldiers being named after fruit, the Ginyu force being named after Dairy products, Bulma's family being named after various types of undergarments... It was quite in vogue (probably still is) for Japanese Anime to do such a thing, Rumiko Takahashi (Urusei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha) did it too, as in Ranma 1/2 the Chinese characters are all named after hair products as shown by Shampoo, Cologne and Mousse (whom in English were voiced by DBZ Ocean Dub regulars)
Joe Taylor Still weird.
Ahhh another enchanted ride into Dragonball Z! Phelous is my dungeon master! Guiding me into the good, bad and funny of this franchise. Thanks!
Five dubs and the line read that made laugh the hardest was Funimation’s.
“Kaio-Ken... TIMES TWENTY!!!!”
King Kai: Kaioken. KAIOKEN!!!! It's in my ******* name! Like King Kai, AS IN KAIOSAMA!!! That is it, none of you are learning any of my techniques! Neither the Kaioken or the Genkidama!!!
@@masterfarr8265 *Genkidama
@@BloodrealmX freakin weabou
Dingo Pictures: Dragon Ball Z must happen.
Tienbbu : As a matter of fact, it’s soooo stupid.
It’s funny how so many people on CZcams love to (understandably) take the piss out of the Saban/ocean dub yet like you pointed out, so many of the lines are the same as funimation and it’s obvious they used the same scripts, and yet several times you point out that the Saban/ocean dub that people usually mock did a few scenes and lines better than the preferred funimation dub.
Also that “I couldn’t die knowing you’re still alive.” Line goes so hard.
Yeah, a new Phelous!!!
The tree looks like it came from Avatar's swamp episode
I feel like I'm having a stroke listening to all these different dubs
Good thing this review came out on a Friday.
Turles: the original black goku
Turles was better. He had Saiyan Armor.
in the Swedish dub, he's raditz
David Gasman voiced William Dunbar and Jim Morales in Code Lyoko, two roles he really owned. Sadly, Big Green WASTES his talent.
The Japanese title for this film translates roughly to something like “The Ultimate Decisive Battle for Earth”. So, on the whole, Big Green’s title is the closest to the original title 😂. It being awkward is Big Green’s fault, but the generic title? Thats ALL on the Japanese titles lol
"any time you don't see their mouths, shove more words in!" < --- yugioh dub in a nutshell. well, more like "cut out as much as possible" with the plot and visuals, then "add as much as possible" with the dialogue
The Digimon dubs in a nutshell too.
you make fun of the Dragon explaining everything, but this was legitimately the first DBZ "episodes" i had ever seen
Classic Phelous videos like this make me feel so much better 😌
I do love how Picolo acts more like a dad when Gohan is in trouble than his own dad Goku. Like, he goes straight to "Put him the fuck down, or I'm gonna tear off your arm and beat you to death with it!" levels of daddy bear
I hope you do more dub comparisons in the future; These are so fun.
Finally! More of Big Green!
I was hoping you'd cover the other Big Green dubs, and here you covered all of the dubs for Tree of Might! Talk about going above and beyond.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa “turns into a super Sayian” aaaahhhhh
Oh sorry i was on the toilet
I hate it when that happens.
"I'm SonGoku, a Super MyGOD!!!"
"...and you get to make a dub, and you get to make a dub! Everyone gets to make a dub!"
I've seen people defending the "Saiya people" translation on the basis that it's closer to the original text. That's technically true, but in a bad way: It's an overly-literal translation that doesn't really understand how Japanese-English translation work. The original Japanese name for the Saiyans is サイヤ人 (Saiyajin), with 人 (jin) meaning "person" (Japanese plurals work differently), so I can kind of see where they're coming from, but the thing is, "[name of place person is from]jin" is just how demonyms (terms for someone from a specific place; ex. Mexican, New Yorker, Martian) work in Japanese; in this case it's meant to indicate that they come from the planet Saiya. You wouldn't call someone, say, a "Korea person," because that isn't how English demonyms work.
I wonder if they would ever make an "Evil Goku" in dragonball... like a british version with pink hair.
bri 'ish.
The Speedy dub is basically like those from Art Media/East West with thicker accents.
21:27 "I've been holding a shit in during the entire movie, that is the joke..." TFS Tien
Goku with the Dingo dub made me laugh so hard I spit drink all over the place and had to clean up before I could continue.
Oh booo, you didn't show the part of the Speedy Dub where Turtles tells Gohan that they can drink delicious liquor.
David Gasman is actually a relatively prolific voice actor within his own circle, and he does have quite a bit of vocal range. If you've ever played a Quantic Dream game, you've almost certainly heard him in a (slightly) less silly context. In Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, for example, he's two of the main characters, Tyler and Lucas, and Tyler is a black guy.
15:46 I can hear the "p" from a mile away.
This was one of your best reviews yet!