These Young Players Hit A Massive Wall...But Why?
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- In this video, let's talk about some "high potential" young NBA players who hit a wall, and their careers have stagnated. Enjoy!
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It’s crazy how 20 ppg guys can be out of all star level bubbles nowadays, expectations are insane and if u aren’t in the perfect scenario you’ll never meet them
Scoring is up league wide. dam near every team has two 20ppg nowadays
NBA is experiencing a massive stat inflation nowadays. Players getting triple doubles in their sleep, averaging 20 ppg being considered nothing special etc.
Expectations are so crazy because the money players get now is wild
@@exeterra4825 do you think the league can do something about this? i mean the inflation of stats in the current NBA?
@@dxtremecaliber I don’t think there’s anything the league can do about it, it needs to happen naturally. Offense has evolved a lot recently, now defensive evolution has to match it
Yea RJ has a huge tunnel vision problem that leads to him being predictable. It hurts on fast breaks when you see an open man but RJ instead opts for the floater/awkward layup that sometimes goes in.
Rj issue is that he isn’t good at anything lmao, he can’t use his right hand at all, he is a mediocre shooter from anywhere on the court and he isn’t athletic
@@ballsballsballs3617 yea I’ve noticed that too.
bad efficiency. never been a good shooter.
And the knicks did not pull the trade to Jazz hahaha..
RJ and other left handed players on the knicks are not that good, this will tell you never to draft left handed guys.
glad you mentioned okoro. as a cavs fan, it has been disappointing to see how he has basically stayed stagnant offensively since his rookie year. he really seemed like he could be a legit 3 and d player earlier in his career, but he is just such a liability on the perimeter now, its just sad to see
stanley johnson for a pistons fan moment
@@Ziamangry naw not even okoro had like a 2016 defending lebron good moment. Okoro right now doesn't look like he got promise
There is zero offensive usage available for him with garland and mitchell there + mobley
Josh Okogie for a Minnesota Timberwolves fan
I kinda disagree with your take on Ayton being the same player since he got drafted. He was a bad defender when he came to the league but as years progressed his defensive game also progressed and is one of the reasons why the Suns is a really good defensive team right now.
Agreed. Ayton is a cog in that perimeter offense in PHO. I personally think that he shrinks on offense because they don't get him touches early. When you set 90 screens for Booker, Paul, and Bridges all game, it can be tough to get into an offensive flow. He does need to be more aggressive.
Well that’s your opinion.
@@VENENOSEASON It's facts tho, and stats will back it up. In 2018 -19 he has a Def Rating of 113 and now his defensive rating never cracks to the 110's. (The lower the defensive rating the better)
Second, if you watch Suns games since their tanking days, you will notice his improvement, his defensive instinct, his speed (he's actually agile for a center) and overall game improved.
This is not an opinion, it's straight up facts.
U sound butthurt
@@deyn7465 yeah that’s your opinion
RJ doesn't have a variety of offensive moves, isn't overly athletic, and lacks shooting touch. He can get to the basket very well, but decides to chuck up a contested shot instead of dishing out or turning around and keeping the dribble. I thought he would have improved by now. I don't ever think he'll be a star but he can be a good role player. It's just frustrating that the Knicks paid him all that money for him to regress.
Guaranteed contracts are ruining the NBA. Half the players are lazy bums because they got their 2nd contract. T-Mac said it's 70%, but I'll be generous lol
Rj Hampton is athletic asf Lol
stop he's gonna be a star h's turning it around
That's the Knicks problem they keep signing players that they could've moved on from
One can argue that the Suns acquisition of CP3 saved the perception of Ayton.
I thinka ayton's problem is lack of motivation
No ayton is the guy cp3 just make him lob threat
No not really he was already good until he got suspended and then pretty much the bubble happened and cp got traded to them if left to his own devices we would see a stronger motivation to improve
Suns could’ve been in a great position , just had to draft Halliburton over Jalen smith
@@zay222Truelike he has done all his big men since the clippers which is interesting because when he had David west he actually let him work on the block 🤷♂️
Barrett has never impressed me. Seems more suited to a bench scoring role than the focus of an offense
Yahh. hes more a Luke Kennard type of player for me but much worse because of his inconsistency
He seems more suited to be a clown than a star
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby this is true. same thing happens in ufc. the top guys get paid big and fall off a cliff (conor, masvidal)
Me neither.
he's super average, which would be ok if he wasn't drafted 3rd overall
I was extremely hyped about Cam Reddish. I thought the dude could be anything he wanted if he just put in the work. Sad to see the road his career is going down at this point. I guess not everyone can put in the "work"
Reddish looked very promising because he had all the makings of an athletic 3 and D player. Unfortunately, he’s inefficient on offense and doesn’t always seem engaged when he plays. He’s fallen out of favor with two teams now in only four NBA seasons. Maybe the right team will get his career going, but if I were a GM, I wouldn’t want to part with much, if anything, to take a chance on him.
I think too many NBA Players are too afraid to admit that they get bored of basketball more often then the general population understands
@@AmiriHipHop I've seen James Harden, Dwight Howard, Allen Iverson and a few others say it ... There are more than a few players that are just there for a pay check
@@AmiriHipHop even if you were it's not a bad thing. I am making a claim it should only be right that I back it up.
I'm busy at the moment but will provide the sources in a few hours. For context: Harden said it during a practice to a reporter, Dwight said it during an ESPN segment a few years ago, and A.I stated it (not about himself but other players) during a post retirement interview
True most players once they make the nba they lose the hunger to keep getting better that got them there especially when everyone super talented in they own way.
Could factor in their lifestyle also most these guys like to party a-lot now that can affect drive
Nowadays, paying a guy who performed well beyond his initial contract is scary.
Once they secure the bag, they just disappear, it's like robbing money from a bank
I don't think it's any coincidence that the wizards haven't developed any of their draft picks from the last 5 years ago, they've all ended up looking like busts. I'd be willing it has more to do with their development program rather than scouting and proper drafting.
Right….I feel like if Rui and Deni were on the spurs or the Heat, or the Celtics they probably would be more skilled and have higher b-ball IQ
You've been spitting hot bars for years now. How do you not have a record deal??
Ayton has actually improved as of recently
Hi Andy, how about making a video on why Yuta Watanabe was undrafted during the 2018 NBA Draft? Thanks.
An interesting video to be sure. One aspect that came to mind is, especially for Rui, what's the incentive to overally improve. I know some players want to be all stars and get the big checks and accolades but I think mentally not many players see it that way and want to "coast" in a sense since they are still getting paid millions each year.
Alot of my fellow Knicks fans were reluctant to give up RJ for Mitchell this past summer, i was ready to pack him up and now I’m proven right lol
Same lmao, cam is the only reason I turn in knicks games now adays
@@ballsballsballs3617 I mean let’s not act like Cam hasn’t been pretty disappointing in his own right. He also has tunnel vision as well and, while he’s final shooting with at least average efficiency, he’s a dogshit defender despite scouting reports saying otherwise
I predicted years ago that the Knicks should just pack up their franchise and I’m right.
@@treymatthews3353 I feel like if we gave cam RJs minutes and FGa he would be better
@@Luckyyyy12 strongly disagree. I had to watch Cam chuck up more shots with more minutes in Atlanta and he ended up being statistically our worst player as a result. He’s very talented but he’s inconsistent and has a terrible basketball IQ. I think the limited role he has in New York suites him best.
Hate to see this happen to young guys!! Hope they bounce back!!
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i agree, hachimura was a terrible defender as a rookie, but defensive rating isnt good way to evaluate single player defense.
Right
EXACTLY
Can u explain? I am not that good with stats. 😭
Love this content 💞
Great video as always
I have to disagree with the fact that a player not living up to the expectations of us viewers or the media is their own fault! they did not chose that if anything it's just an obstacle in their way trying to meet the high expectations and hopes put on them instead of focusing on their own thing
I thought Kendrick Nunn to be on list after his finished top 3 rookie of the year.
I appreciate you actually explaining why RJ is playing so poorly for his expectations. Knicks refuse to actually put him in a situation to play good with shooters. And on top of that his shots just very cold right now
I noticed this always happens at the beginning of the season, and then after ASB, he picks it up and shows a glimpse of his true potential. Its very weird.
@@TheShapeshifter If I had all that money, I'd be spending offseasons on beaches getting knobbed several times a day.
@@TheShapeshifter nba players aren’t playing their hardest after all star break and he just gets away with more. When they are putting in effort he gets clamped.
I remember when 32% 3pt was above average a few years ago
And now u are an ok shooter if u are between 37-40%
I usually don't comment on these because I never have anything bad to say about your takes. Reading what you wrote about Ayton is just flat wrong though. He's made huge improvements to his efficiency, and most of all his defense. He's been told to play within the coaches system and he does so excellently.
Also just a small tid bit about the contract situation. They had initially offered him a 4 year max contract so they could have some flexibility when Chris Paul inevitably leaves the team. He wanted a 5 year so he declined and as you know he signed that offer with the Pacers. The Suns had that offer matched within minutes because they had zero intention of letting him go.
Just wanted to point all that out! Keep up the awesome content though because you're my favorite NBA channel out there!
I didn’t watch the video yet but a young player that disappointed me so far is Saddiq Bey. I had him breaking out into a elite scorer this year but he have been too inconsistent and injuries have hindered him so far
Babe wake up Andy dropped a new video
Basketball is a game driven by fear. The fear to shoot the fear to succeed. The fear to get washed. Beautiful Game
Thing bout Rui, maybe he need a change of sceneries too? If in a different system it might help him more.
Good video but disagree on the Ayton take. He has been balling as of late. He got western conference player of the week for the first time in his career so that alone shows improvement. He had an over looked 30 and 16 game last night due to Bookers 51 point performance.
To your point about RJ’s offense being predictable, Opposing teams know they can sag off of him on the perimeter because he’s not a strong shooter. Almost all of his field goals come within 10 feet of the basket. Because of that they can commit very good on ball defense to him to force him into tough shots.
I'm a big stats guy, and you're right on the money with some of these players.
The last month of the season he gonna go crazy watch
RJ started worse last year then he did this year and picked it up. I think RJ will pick it up soon and become even better
Only sensible comment on this video
Barrett slowly becoming like Josh Smith, putting decent to starter level ppg while attempting shots like a superstar
I think De'Andre Hunter should be on here, been the same player for 4 seasons now, occasionally has a 25+ night with a bunch of 10-15 point nights
Isnt that good?
@@gerdanbombales it is good, but this list is about good young players that can't become great/superstars
Ayton getting as many shots per game as payne is crazy
He would have way more shot attempts if he wouldn't pass the ball so many times when he's basically under the rim. He's too passive on offense.
He sucks on offense. It was crunch time at home against the rockets. Guy called for the ball in the post then proceeded to miss an easy ass shot at the hoop when they were down 2. The shot would have tied the game.
As a cavs fan I'm not really worried about okoro yet, he's a good defender, and he's like our 7th option offensively
I feel bad for Bagley cause I feel like he got stunted by the Kings.
Yupp and injuries
Dave joeger brought bagley off the bench and the coach corrected the team a lot. Kings front office probably did want bagley to start but the coach saw different. Bagley probably believed he is starter potential. Bagley’s dad didn’t help either. Luke Walton had the same issue with bagley. Bagley had low bbiq.
Ayton way better than anybody on this list but to say he hasn’t got better is not a stretch
I’m surprised u haven’t talked about Patrick Williams he’s another guy who I feel like has hit a wall
Ayton is the classic 20/10 guy since he came to the league
I think most people would agree with you on the Ayton take
Anyone watching basketball would not. He's the current Western Conference Player Of The Week.
@@Fencellisk Broad statement, but being player of the week does not constitute a max contract or being picked ahead of his star draft mates.
@@abw1317 that's not what the video is about. That's not what Andy was saying. He's saying these players hit walls. In fact the only thing he mentioned basketball wise was how many shots he gets. There's not a lot of media attention in Phoenix but, Deandre Ayton has been a top player in the NBA the past couple of weeks and he's making it look easy. All ya gotta do is check it out. At the very least, he's too late to use the Ayton part of the video.
@@Fencellisk calm down man I'm not reading that wall of text lol I'm glad you love Ayton that much but I'm not that invested in this conversation.
@@abw1317 I apologize for the inconvenience. Have a good one! But this proves why lazy people like you shouldn't make comments. You put no effort towards knowing facts.
The 2 times I drafted Barrett for my fantasy team, I have been last. The second i drop him, my team starts winning
Nobody cares about your fantasy team. Don't ever bring up your fantasy team to people. Other people's fantasy team is the single most boring topic in the entire world. I'd rather talk to someone about their how many ass pimples they have than about their fantasy team.
Yo Andy rude for that “wall” which I thought was going to be “NBA players who keep laying bricks”
Most of these dudes were drafted as what the team “needed” not as the best player available
honestly tho , yeah i had a feeling Andy would get some flake big time for doing Ayton early like that, but like i said, once CP3 got traded to Phoenix, he made ayton better because of his overall playmaking ability
Did you make this before Deandre won player of the week?
The issue is the inconsistencie. He has a couple of stretches like this every year.
RJ Barrett fooled us all.
Barrel is a more efficient josh smith type of player streaky but good enough to get by
Crazy how wild you can talk about a near 20ppg scorer.
I think Barrett is actually living up 2 the hype
De'andre Ayton is a tough one. He's never going to put up numbers with Devin Booker trying to score 50 every night.
Yupp and he’s great at his role I more so blame coaching.
That wall is only an obstacle guys!! It’s beatable and you can go through it!!
I wish some of these guys csn turn things around in particular RJ and Rui.
A massive wall was not the only impediment these players ran into. Not surprisingly their expected and predicted dominance encountered a fortified reality check in the NBA where a lack of speed, shot creativity and the ability to defend is more readily exposed and less tolerated than at the collegiate level. Performance appraisals and the competition are much tougher when BIG money is involved.
RJ is so overated and if you wonder why he people say that even tho he averages 20 points every season it’s because thibadeou plays him 40 minutes every game for no reason so by default he will keep shooting
Dude really tool 13 seconds to make the thumbnail lmao
The problem with Ayton is he doesn't have a go to move. He can't bully even smaller defenders. Every time I see him in the post, he looks hesitant.
My thing about RJ is he is similar to Wiggins and Barnes. Ranked #1 in his class, is a good starter, but until he is in the right system his full potential will never be on display.
Watched Kenny few days before I watch this, he said Wizard are 1 team that's okay for being mediocre.... I'm sure that's hard for Rui as well
I was getting dragged on this same channel for saying Barrett was on the decline instead of incline and now even Andy changed his tone smh lol
Like any skill set in any work environment. They have to learn how to do the things around them as much as the thing they do. If they only focus on one skill set, thats all they understand. The balanced player may not get the singular highlight. But the balanced player plays better. So the singular player cannot adjust to the game. They just get boxed in.
RJ Barrett screams mid
Ayton just won WC player of the week... he heard you bro.
Teams and fans need to have more of a what you see is what you get mindset instead of putting these high “potential” expectations on players
or maybe its all of you peoples fault because u all put them in this high expextation but when they dont meet ur expectation u gonna call them any sort of name bust player bad player etc. so dont do that people.
Ayton is really good, might sound crazy but Phoenix should make him the focal point rather than Booker. He’s shooting 60 plus percent
Lol na
Ngl I feel like Marvin still has a chance to be an all star or at least a double-double type of player with the young core the Detroit has
Rui Hachimura need improve his DEFENSE & footwork 🔥🔥🔥
Looks like "the next melo" is a curse for players. People called Parker the next melo and he hit a wall as well
james wiseman should be in the list!
Can’t stagnate without being good to begin with
Most times its not the player its likely the team and sometimes its what's popular in the NBA when a player gets drafted.
You have the case of Tyreke Evans who was made to be a SG when he was suited to play PG and thus didnt develop
You have a rare case like Markelle Fultz or Dante Exum where injuries just stunt their growth too much or
A case like Jahlil Okafor where his game was like Shaq's in the era of "floor spacing" and shooting 3s
Most times players dont just stop knowing how to work hard. Its way more complicated
They stop improving. Look at Jeremi Grant or Bol Bol. They kept working and eventually found a good role on a new team. If you can play you will find the court.
You can blame the organization and fit all you want but the NBA is a league of roles and objectives.
Most of those guys just didn’t bring anything to the table. If you can shoot and play defense then you will find the court. Most of those guys didn’t do either
That one about Okafor bothers because he wasn’t even that bad. Teams just didn’t want to run a pure post up player for one of their main guys but I think potentially he could’ve been a nice 6th man if they hadn’t done that already.
a fair few of these players just need to be traded to teams who are better at developing players and can give some of these guys more minutes if thats what they need. I truly believe that if RJ got traded to a different team like the grizzlies, pacers, golden state, celtics, dallas or the bucks and a few other teams we could see his full potential come out cause i just dont think the knicks is the right team for him.
Look at Lauri Markkenen on the Jazz. He suddenly turned into a young Dirk. If knicks had traded RJ there, maybe he'd be at 25 ppg. And Mitchell will be good anywhere, he'd be leading NY right now.
Prime Melo was not the worst defender in the league, not even close. Throwing shade with your Hachi comp. Also, if you can't show you belong in 22+ mins a game, then you don't belong.
They are showing that the NBA IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE WORLD. No one is gonna let you score 23ppg just because you was a McDonald’s all American 1st team all American in college that you was ranked top 20 since you was 13 years old or how many views your high school mixtape has. It’s the best playing the best every day. Becoming a above average player is incredibly hard. People you was ranked over pass you up sometimes Ja morant is a 0.0001 exception to go from basically number 100 in high school to the number 2 pick in 2 years and a superstar now he blazed past EVERYONE above him in his class by far save for Zion he just got injuries but he got same talent level. Rj Barrett is a solid player 15-20 ppg kinda guy at least on the team he on now. Julius randle is the leader on the team for now. Rj Barrett was the consensus number 1 pick going into high school Zion took that from him 2 weeks into the season he’s on another level talent wise. And ja morant took it 3 weeks into the season he’s on another level too. Rj is solid but he peaked a lil earlier than those guys and they are so much more talented. But Rj is still a solid player though 15-20 ppg a great addition to any team and plays tough defense.
Bagley biggest problem is his defense, specially help defense. Ayton, give me him over Bagley all day everyday and they were drafted 1 after the other
Ayton is pretty mid too 16 and 9 for a guy with skill and talent
He’s improved his defense alot this year
"efficient ball" be trying to have everyone play the same
Ayton can be an all time center if he's the focal point of the Suns or any other team. That dude can easily average 24 & 13.
I’d like Bagley getting into a winning culture like the Celtics.
Yupp he improved alot this year.
Ayton just knows his role he knows he’s a 2-3 bro that’s a stretch wtaf
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Could have shortened the video to just say "development is non linear"
Rui came out of the draft and they were saying he was Draymond cause his defense was so good at zaga ..the melo comparisons are 2k players cause they gave rui melo release lol
Rui has every tool to be a great defensive player. Too bad he's on a team that never plays defense.
hes on the knicks.
You cant really say any of them "hit a wall" as long as theyre still young and in the league, at times it doesnt even matter if theyre still young either
I don't know if you care but I clicked on this because you added the WHY if it was only the wall I wouldn't have clicked on it
It's because these teams draft these particular guys because they were still available pretty sure most of these players aren't even on these teams draft board if these guys get on other teams they might flourish
Okoro was cooked from start a 6”5 sf who can’t shoot labeled as a wing defender lol
Barrett is stagnant. Every knicks game I’ve watched he forces shots as a very inconsistent jump shooter. But most of all he only goes left! Ball hogging lefty
....damn I got like 3 of these dudes on my fantasy team
i feel bad for Rui getting stuck in Washington.
As a Cavs fan, Issac Okoro is a junkyard dog! Cleveland doesn't need him on offense that much, but his defense is valuable to the second unit - especially with Caris LeVert, who is a turnstile on defense, coming off the bench now. I'm guessing the team is going to develop him as a tough defensive enforcer, but he does need to improve on offense. The Cavs' window is within the next three-four years, so we'll see.
Yupp to say he hit the wall pretty much means he doesn’t watch Cleveland games. His role is perfect and Cleveland don’t need him to score. He’s part of the reason the team is so successful
Thats why i dont like Knicks offered RJ that contract money, as he really is easy to predict (offensive wise), and isnt playing defense
Okoro would be great on the mavs not the cavs
RJ seems like a poor mans Wiggins😂
Bagley with Bey to the mavs. Bagley with Luka could be cool.
Ayton shoots a very good %, he just needs more touches 2 become an all-star
The spacing isn't an excuse for Barrett, he just was overhyped, PERIOD. Look at how well Randle and Jalen are doing, Jalen Looking every bit worth of his contract, heck, right now, it's looking like we got him for steal!!