TF2's (un)Official Subclass Tier List
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- Putting a bunch of TF2's most popular subclasses on a big fancy list ranking them based on how averagely good they are in a typical match.
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Intro: 0:00 - 0:46
F Tier: 0:47 - 2:44
C Tier: 2:45 - 5:43
B Tier: 5:44 - 8:35
A Tier: 8:36 - 10:10
S Tier: 10:11 - 13:10
Conclusion: 13:11 - 14:14
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ah yes, the best subclass: literally just using the Air Strike lmao
+ the parachute
no, it's just no shotgun (so he can have the banners, the boots and the parachute)
I man the battle sniper is literally just play huntsman, and i still see your point
@@Pseudo_NotfoundI see using the shotgun as a subclass with how few people use it (see fatscout)
Kinda tired of people watering down subclass to "slightly different weapon unlock"
Most of these are "I'm not going to use X" then actual sub classes.
Literally everyone in F and C tier (except CaberMan) + FatScout
@@Pseudo_Notfound fat scout aint in c or f
@@Pseudo_NotfoundI'm not going to use mingun is fatscout
You're right in the game there aren't really many actual full subclasses outside of Demoman's subclasses or at least ones I might not be aware of that actually change your kit to be completely different and instead just gets you to play a specific way or use specific weapons. the ones at least that are listed in the video are either a play style that I've personally heard of or find a lot of people discussing about because of its popularity. I appreciate the comment though!
But that is... what Subclass do...
7:20 "your engineer doesn't really need your help"
The 6 enemy spies
The comment about them not needing any support was more just geared towards Pyro players who sit by their Engineer the whole game, I definitely think it is nice and a good strategy to defend them but its more noting what the enemy team has and how much presence they are putting against your team just so that you aren't sitting there just to airblast the occasional one or two rockets. I appreciate the comment!
SPY GAMING!!!
Hohohohon!
I FEEL TRES BON!
it's impossible to die to spies
@@androtti1008 honestly whever im an engi in a small map then i wish for any pyro to join because of demomans ( unless they use the phlog )
@@fallenking2719 yeah because phlog literally the worst weapon to do the pybro, no airblast fpr rockets or other porjectile, as well as the primary damage happening after a brief second of vulnerabilty (when the ubercharge ends BEFORE you can move again, a sniper can come in and lay you out) whoch is dedinitely not something you want. Vulnerability over culnerability is def8nitely something you don't want...specially when there is more that 3 spies
Technically, "Battle Sniper" is more well known as just the *HUNSTSMAN.*
Or the Lucksman
@@victorvirgili4447 potato potato
@@akiokun3224 read that differently
_stab stab stab_
I think Caber Man deserves more credit solely due to the fact if you use a SHIELD with the caber and hit the ground at the end of your charge, you turn Demo into a group clearing nuke.
stickys and pills reaction
Sentry Buster load out lmao
@@belowaverage50 even funnier that sentry busters will kill you with the melee caber after losing a round in mvm
caberknight with splendid screen and booties is a walking crocket
I love playing a good caber man while using the tide turner
bonk shouldn't even be a subclass, as that's how most people use the bonk anyway lol
I agree but people I've seen talking about it had considered it as a subclass so I figured why not talk about it on the video. thank you for the comment!
well demoknight is usually what people do when they equip a shield
Also there’s also scout nurse as a replacement
@@victorvirgili4447 DK is exclusively sword + shield + booties.
@@androtti1008that's why you shouldn't just talk to random people! They can't tell a difference between using a weapon as an intended sidegrade and a whole new class
I don’t play competitive but I have heard that the observer spy isn’t very uncommon there and can be useful, scoping out the enemy team and providing information to your team, although they might not stay an observer for the whole match
Kinda funny that best way to play Spy is to do what real Spies do which is collecting information.
I have heard that is mostly how Spy is played in competitive formats and if these were ranked based on their utility in competitive aside from how well they would do in a regular match the subclass would probably be ranked a lot higher, just that people don't really communicate enough in casual for him being used to make callouts to actually be fully useful. I appreciate the comment though!
You could also substitute Crit Sniper's Jarate out for the Cleaner's Carbine, becoming the equally useless Crit Sniper 2.0
But with range!
@@Soldier_SproutCounterpoint: jarate is AOE and let’s your teammates deal mini-crits. Considering that you probably will be moving with the team and not alone, that should be more useful.
To be fair to the cleaner, a full charge huntsman bodyshot does 120 damage so it only takes 1 carbine shot to finish off a light class, this combined with the ability to indiscriminately distribute bushwacka crits and high damage huntsman mini crit bodyshots makes it have a lot more synergy than what you'd expect otherwise
Still worse than the jarate tho
@@Ultrasmurf countercounterpoint: jarate only lets you crit those that get splashed, carbine lets you crit anybody
The only SS tear subclass is fish scout.
Penis scout*
And Frienly Heavy/Pootis
Just got done with a game as fish scout lmao. 52 smacks, 5 kills.
P*nis scout>>>>
" Making you more of a hinderance than an actively functioning team member "
that's spy, his job to be a liability to a team. Just not your technical team.
Gunspy considered a subclass. I know people joke about people forget spy has a gun, but this is kinda. . .
Dead Ringer, Spy-cicle, Ambassador, shoot.
@@uBreeze *stock revolver, do not diss us gunspies like that
@Sivves Isn't amby just a straight upgrade if you hit your shots?
@@PelipoikkiEven if you have perfect aim it is only better at a certain range due to damage falloff and slower firing speed. It also just takes way more effort to hit a headshot if you could do the same with two bodyshots from stock
Dont 2 bodyshots from a stock revolver do only 80 damage?
I can't believe you forgot the best subclass, brave spy. Where you just run directly at the enemy with the prinny machete
Met a guy called Captain Fistfight and he would only play melee heavy but with his fists
Oh, just like Bob Fisto!
Byebyro - a rare Pyro subclass that only works on 10x, where you use your airblast to make the enemy team achieve interstellar travel.
The Battle Sniper's actual name is called the Huntsman.
I just like to point that out. Also most huntsmans don't necessarily have a plan when it comes to going into combat, they mainly just rely on the janky arrow physics to get kills. Which is why some people call it the lucksman.
Also side note: I'm not saying that playing as a Huntsman doesn't take skill.
As an ex-huntsman, most true huntsman mains talk shit about ourselves for relying on the luck aspect of it. Its fine.
But yeah I don't think this guy has enough skill or time in the game to understand what the subclasses are considering he called the Invisibleman subclass the Observer even though Observer is a semi-friendly meme subclass
11:47 The way the spy flys is hilarious.
Hybridknights crying rn
the subclass was originally featured in the script of this video at first actually but I replaced it with the caber subclass to add more variety and also there might be some content about it in the future, maybe I could do it the justice it deserves by then!
hybrid knights are just demos who never bothered to learn stickies (fuck those things tho I have a tide turner and a claidheamh mor shaped dream)
Pyro Shark as a sub-class is the GTA 5 Dog Roleplay of TF2.
Here's another one: Samurai Soldier. Rocket Jumper, any banner, and the Half-Zatoichi. Basically Demoknight but with a lower base speed and rocket jumping instead of charge.
a very fascinating combo, might have to pick it up and see how good it can be!
As someone who is pretty much maining Pybro, being a pybro means you're mostly sitting in back lines. That doesn't mean babysitting engies, but spychecking everyone around your medics and snipers, shutting down flanking scouts, flanking yourself to get rid of sneakily spamming demos, and looking out for trolldiers. It's not that much different from regular pyro, but instead of pushing you're making sure there are no leaks prone to pushes
Can't believe that you left out the best scout subclass which uses the backscatter, mad milk, and Boston basher.
I'm actually unfamiliar with that one
…Scout Nurse?
@@androtti1008 its called pp scout (the backscatter looks like a pp)
@@androtti1008 penis scout
@@wasdkug_tr backscatter looks like it, mad milk is you know and boston basher is the act of it
that's the whole reasoning behind it
What I hate about this video is how you assume we just lock out other weapon slots when playing classes centred around one weapon slot (like pyroshark or gun spy)
But this is stupid, no shit if I get a perfect backstab opportunity as a gun spy I'm taking it; the point of gun spy *isn't* to *only* use your revolver, it's to use your revolver *as a primary source of damage*, and in that it's more effective than regular spy. I found way greater success with gun spy than regular spy, because the positioning and timing and gambling that goes into playing spy "like you're supposed to" is a pain in the ass to manage and even the best players of the class agree that spy is a very inconsistent class.
Same with the pyroshark, the point isn't to *only* kill your enemies with the annihilator, it's to sit in water so that if the opportunity were to present itself you'd be able to use the annihilator to crit. Not having your hands glued to the annihilator at all times would also give it an element of surprise for when you do pull it out after beating up your enemy with the shotgun or reflecting a rocket, which is necessary to kill certain classes more effectively.than it would be to just hit them twice with an annihilator crit, and sometimes this is necessary in dealing with classes like scout or any other class that's faster than you. Also, using mobility tools such as the detonator can help out a ton in closing the gap when playing the subclass (that is, if you're actually good and can surf in the 2fort sewers because let's be honest this is the only map where pyro shark is viable as the one and only flank route for less mobile classes on this map is entirely covered in water.)
Now, this doesn't apply to boxer heavy because the entire point of heavy subclasses is to lock heavy out of his primary and most effective source of damage without suitable replacement. Fat scout isn't suffering from this nearly as much as boxer heavy though because fat scout has a longer effective range and doesn't need to close the gap as much to kill his enemies, and this is also why I hate how you ranked BOXER HEAVY ABOVE PYRO SHARK
agreed
The thing about boxer Heavy is that if you're playing boxer Heavy, you should really be using the steak for the extra damage and movement speed, which automatically locks you out of your primary.
Agreed, this man is just a bad player lol
agreed, i knew from the moment he started talking shit about gunspy he was a FOOL
This man created 20 strawmans just to bolster his favourite subclasses
Speaking of the Observer: I kind have a subclass of this subclass, i like to call it "Preptime Observer", you stay invizible and observe the area, but no taunting, no blocking and no trolling while invizible, you also prepare youself to strike, finding the perfect oportunity to atack your enemies, and yes its kinda like Batman's prep time, but since its TF2 and its hard to play as SPY, it can be hard to pull it off but when it works, it works ?
Also the items i use are: Ambasador
Big Earner
Cloack of Danger
Ah yes the quick hit and run tactic, but Spy
So its basically averege cloak and dagger user
@@butlazgazempropan-butan11k87 *cloack of danger
thats just spy gameplay with cloak and dagger
Diamondback?
Androtti100: *puts gunspy in c tier*
Vorobey: say sike right now.
6:52 trolldier is only B tier if you dont know Playstyles. If you account the ones who know techs like bhopping, short hops and great at jumping, he can easily kill and out maneuver any class easily and peace out afterwards. His only real weakness are closed in clustered areas, sentry placement and players who can aim. But otherwise great video man!
aka players that have a resonable amount of skill or funny natasha heavy
His major weakness Is a team that knows how to play and a sentry of any level
Thank you! if I was more accounting for how good each subclass could be at their best rather than how they averagely do I agree the subclass has way more potential than I gave it credit for!
@@androtti1008 I mean if your looking for compeditive hightower or sidegrade bombing you got a good subclass
Huntsman and battle snipers are different. Huntsman is anyone who uses the Huntsman, battle snipers are those snipers that actually move with their team, whether they use the huntsman or not.
Also, a lot of these subclasses are just people avoiding doing stuff that could easily counter their weaknesses if they just played their class normally.
Bleed scout still has his scattergun, etc.
And some subclasses exist as hybrids for people to choose what's better for them.
Hybrid knight can help him deal with Demoknight issues at the expense of extra health from the booties.
you forgot that ninjaneer's can build a teleporter entrance to trick the enemy into thinking they broke the exit. (if the exit isn't built yet/ the entrance isn't finished. )
A very good strategy I mentioned in my Eureka Effect video, that definitely could have been mentioned here as well!
1:50 seems like you forgot that sawmill's intel room is covered in water, making it great to play pyroshark and pybro at the same time
I actually didn't even think of that you are right, thank you for the comment!
The thing with Gun Spy is that is also better as a distraction class. If you have a bunch of enemies and a spy is behind them and the spy takes potshots at them they'll want to address the man with a 1-shot knife so the spy can run and be a pain in the neck to them while his team swoops in to punish the enemies for trying to kill you.
Good editing, hope video going to explode
Appreciate it!
underated channel and peak video, when i was taking a dump watching this video i got hyped by the intro knowing ts would be fire
Thank you!
Yooo this is solid content dude. Keep at it
I appreciate it!
Really good vid, surprised this doesn’t have more views
Thank you very much!
Really good editing, fun clips, and great commentary. Glad to have found you randomly! Keep it up
I hope this video gets more popular, It's very well done
Thank you!
as a battle medic fan I do heal my teammates a lot I use the quick fix for quick heals and a uber focused on healing (can heal myself a lot too) I usually heal those who are pushing in while also being ready to push in myself you can even kill sentries with the blutsager its really fun if you have friends too, you should also use the family business with the boxer heavy
I will be sure to note these suggestions if I find myself using the subclasses again in games, very fascinating to see how other people play around and adapt with these subclasses!
@@androtti1008 thanks for the reply! tf2 has sooo many intersting and fresh play styles its fun to try new stuff to see if it works. Love your vids btw!
Crit sniper is the only time outside of MvM you'd use the cleaner's carbine
Some people might prefer it over his other options, but for the most part yeah good point!
Two words: Cannon Knight. One of the most rewarding subclasses you can play. Get urself a loose cannon, your pick of shield (I personally recommend the charge'n targe or splendid screen. The tite turner is okay but severely weakens the cabers potential with only mini crits and you already have plenty of movement.) and finally the caber.
You still have the mobility that you would with a sticky bomb launcher using the cannons fuse. Double donks are fun and badass to pull off and when you see that perfect moment you charge in with caber in hand and delete around 3 people with a well timed crit charge. You not only use the bomb but rather you ARE the bomb.
I might have to try this myself, I don't use the Loose Cannon as much as I could but this just convinced me!
@@androtti1008 Just so you know the skill ceiling is very high, it's not a pick up an play sub class so don't be surpised if you die a lot or don't see much return at first. But if you put enough practise into cannon jumping, double donking and throwing caution to the wind to charge in with a caber you become unstoppable.
One of my biggest highs was on two fort. 6 enemies consisting of a heavy, 2 meds, an engineer carrying a building, a soldier and a pyro were crossing the bridge in a clump. They shot at me from my side so I cannon jumped to the opposite side and none of them thought to pursue me so I snuck up behind them, charged and killed 5 of them with one swing of the caber before double donking the last medic into the air and he then died of fall damage. I soloed over half the team in just 2 shots, a charge and a swing of my melee. I have been chasing a similar high ever since xD.
Great vid man! you’re really underrated
Thank you!
gun spy is good at annoying the enemy team and forcing them to search for you if you're good at hiding the enemy team will have less players on the front
Here's my advice for combat Medic, use him whenever your teammates aren't targeting a specific low-health class or when you are confident in your survivability aka have an Uber or can pop an uber easily. The best mediguns for this situation are the Vac, and the Quick-Fix.
Very good advice for people who want to make the subclass more effective, its nice to see the different ways people evolve or think about each of the subclasses. Thank you for the comment!
"enemy AC130 above"
When i see a soldier with base jumper and air strike
i love this, hope u become more popular
Appreciate it!
It might be interesting to explore the viability of hybrid builds. Some of these subclasses can compromise their build to still be competent in their original role.
That’s how I play Battle Medic. Healing hurt enemies is my top priority, so I use a quick-fix to quickly heal them, and then get back to fighting.
A fascinating idea actually!
@@androtti1008 I've seen what you called the paratrooper called a "hybrid trolldier" in another video. They used gunboats and market gardener with dealer's choice of primary. This did assume that you would focus on the shovel whenever feasible, but retaining the option to blow people up.
Some are going to take to hybridization a lot better than others.
Great vid bro you gonna blow up soon
As a ninjaneer main, i gotta say, super easy on payload and distracts 1-6 enemies. On swiftwater, setting up over third then last (after spawn moves) for team carries if team uses tele.
Great vid bro, u deserve way more subs!
Appreciate it!
Him: Excludes Hoovys and Spycrabs.
Also him: Includes Observer in the video.
believe it or not, I disagree with the placement of Gunspy.
in my experience, Gunspy works best when in a team fight, staying close enough to the front to participate, but far enough to not be targeted specifically.
at this distance, the revolver can reliably hit enemies at least a couple times, and as a spy, you can see the enemy's health. This makes you perfect for baseline "participating in the fight", along with targeting classes like Sniper, Demoman, Medic, and Heavy, or finishing off low health classes. On top of this, in the event your health becomes low enough to be concerning, you are in the prime position to run away like a little sissy baby.
Also, the ambassador as a weapon is made more for normal spy than Gunspy; Gunspy will likely have fights farther away than normal spy, making headshots harder and do less damage. This coupled with the dps of the amby in comparison to stock makes it less reliable than stock or even the enforcer, which forces you to be patient, helping you focus on aiming instead of pissing your pants over failing to aim.
in summary, Gunspy, with enough practice, is comparable to Battle engineer in gameplay style and effectiveness.
Battle engineer gets a shotgun, 25 more health, and buildings.
Gunspy gets an accurate revolver, a reliable tool to retreat, the ability to know enemy health, and occasional melee one shots due to design technicalities instead of luck.
And therefore, I'd say he belongs in high B tier or low A tier; he has good self-sustain, a primary weapon with good accuracy, ok range, and a high skill ceiling (stock, not the amby), and can reliability finish off low health enemies.
Pyro has 2/3 of these and people don't even like him.
YEEEESSSSS
I appreciate the very detailed comment I myself don't play a whole lot of the subclass and more was just talking about my initial thoughts of it but you do strike some very convincing points perhaps I did rank it a little bit too low!
@@androtti1008 In your defense, the subclass isn't exactly beginner friendly.
spy's walk speed makes strafing screw with your aim more than usual, the revolver is an all or nothing weapon only really compariable to the sniper rifle, spy's health makes aiming those shots more stressful, and people can tend to think that there are always options better than stock, when there isn't.
all of this makes Gunspy feel pretty poor until you get the hang of it, at which point listening to songs like " New York, New York " or " My Way " makes things feel great.
I love how the subtext for Battle Engineer is “How to Uncle Dane”
Doctor Large is very upset
Don’t forget the caber knight!
more like nuke demo
thats just demoknight with the caber, so just demoknight
@@artifactU demoknight has subclasses, so its caberknight
@@taureon_ its not a subclass its just using another weapon
@@artifactU thats also a subclass depending on who youre asking
stickytank, dragons fury, both heavy subclasses the video mentions, and some more.
lots of people think that some of these are subclasses
paratrooper being on s tier is another reason i mess with people using my beloved specialized killstreak villainous violet sheen smissmas spycrabs air strike named “sdgqrgiehwfp hewo8fqvwe0 8fg sae 8fsdfsf''
shoutout to people who use that weapon regularly
@@androtti1008that's my main weapon xd
6:58 bro has never heard of B-hopping
very true but also a strategy that the average player might find a bit difficult, especially if the enemy team is playing around a low ceiling area!
Fists of steel Heavy plus Buffalo steak sandwich with a pocket medic gf is the most fun I've ever had in tf2
Half of these aren’t even subclasses
None of these are subclasses except for if you're using a shield and sword these are more varied ways people in the community have come up with to play the classes in different ways that are usually considered also as subclasses. I thank you though for the comment!
Editing os very neat 10/10
i like the melee scout with the shortstop crit o cola and boston basher absolutely amazing (only melee kills the shortstop can be swapped for the force a nature or soda popper but i like the shortstop for peppering enemys before attacking)
Crit o cola overrated with shortstop. Try using either pistols or cleaver to become a proper scout subclass, mid range menace, with shortstop+cleaver+wrap assassin you can do endless trolling on slow classes while they slowly bleed and get peppered from save distance
@@danielsurvivor1372 nah id rather have the crit a cola for the melee and shortstop for peppering the enemy so i can go in and attack with my melee
I like that idea for a subclass especially since I've been using the Shortstop a lot more recently, thank you for the comment!
@@androtti1008 you could also try pyro with the volcano fragment and flare gun for a dumb combo
Great editing, good pace, and engaging, nice video man :) try to not blow air into the mic and you’ll be doing wonders brother. Much love
most of these are just different playstyles
paratrooper, battle engineer, and most of F-C are just "hey wouldn't it be quirky if i restricted myself and called it a subclass"
Fat scout is heavy with a shotgun
If heavy uses the hue long heater he's a fat pyro
Google fat pyro for more info
No, I don’t think I will
hey man just stumble on your chanel and have to say W mans W vid keep it up G
I appreciate that thank you!
New subclass idea: pybroshark. The amphibious pyroshark. 2 roles in one
The observer is mostly how highlander spies play. They just give info to their teammates.
Every battle medic EVER biting the curb 4K ultra hd no blur
Soldier Shogun Knight is literally right there and an actually good example of an unofficial subclass
With the Katana acting as the glue holding the whole build together, combined with any rocket launcher and subweapon besides the shotguns, the Soldier Shogun has the greatest self sustain possible.
You can do the regular soldier rockets, but the Katana works as an incentive to pull it off to pick off weak classes, and contnue to chain off any classes similar to spy with his kunai, but unlike spy with his kunai, you can still rocket jump out of there
I love This subclass, its Called the pee man, sniper but ALL he does is throw his jarate at people while screaming "SPY" and running away
Combat Medic in TF2: Literal dogshit
Combat Medic in TFC: Best class in the game
Yeah it VALVe did good at preventing you attack as a medic. But he's good for self-defense
The "Bananadin" (banana + Paladin)
Heavy with banana, but you are healing all the time you can!
It goes deeper... you patroll small to medium Medkits to defend from enemys, and give teammates even MORE healing.
Obv Tomi is good, but any Minigun is good with it.
Obv, there is no meele to it, but the Wooden hammer the.. ."bananadins Hammer"
a very unique way of using Heavy!
1:54 you forgot banana bay (which is understandable because who plays plr on maps other than hightower?)
Also, you can pyroshark on land if you bring a friend either using the Jarate or Mad Milk
you are right I did completely forget about that map!
bro really put the only official subclass (maybe except for the battle engineer) on the s tier low and not the top
My good sir you forgot about a not so known subclass. "The ranger pyro". Like the score shot And the dragon fury (Which is 1 of the highest damage dealing Flamethrowers)
No. Using a different weapon does not make you a sub class. Otherwise there would have been 500 of them. Demoknight is the only one.
Look guys, if I use ubersaw and quick fix, I am now a combat medic. No, it's a playstyle. The weapons are not focused on selfheal and infinite Uber. If I use the eureka effect and leave my nest to go far and kill people that doesn't make me the I-dont-care-about-my-nest subclass
It's a playstyle
I used to be a filthy Huntsman sniper. I got so good that I actually started to consider myself a "spy hunter" since I almost never got backstabbed (no I didn't use the razorback I used the Cozy Camper) and could sniff out a spy in whatever corner they were hiding in. I also used to be able to pin a scout's head to the wall while he was sprinting full tilt across the map.
Good times...
11:48
*RIGHT IN THE PAINIS*
me using the diamond back and dead ringer without backstabbing as a frontline spy(it looks too good) and the widowmaker, jag cause I like it.
maaan, transition at the beginning is fucking magnificent!
most of these arent subclasses
subclasses are suppose to force you to play the class in a way
that you arent suppose to and almost completely not allow to play it
the default way or a normal way and even then its got to make it
so that its not just as effective to use stock for the same thing
There is only one actual subclass in the entire game the rest of these are more just popular ways that people try to play the class in an unintended way. I thank you for the comment though!
While not officially a subclass, I often run the Natasha with the Holiday Punch to deny enemy ubers and discourage peaking opponents. Works like a charm, and pisses off scouts and scunts alike.
Boxing heavy does have a speed boost if you take the steak instead of the sandvich
I play a hybrid Battle Medic: I put healing hurt teammates as top priority, but I want to do it fast, so I use the quick-fix so I can heal my teammates quickly and then I get back to fighting. Quick-fix helps for getting around the map fast as a battle medic too. On top of that, I try to mostly engage enemies that are hurt, so I use the Solemn Vow to gauge my fights. I haven’t gotten any complaints yet using this hybrid BM because I’m still healing, albeit almost never pocketing unless I need a ride.
Very fun to see how people adapt these subclasses to actually make them a lot more effective, thank you for the comment!
I know it's a rare sight to see, but there is another Pyro subclass that requires the backburner, jetpack and backscracher or powerjack(depending on mobility over damage) to flank enemy lines from behind. I don't know the name(maybe spyro), but I have seen about 2 people do this before, and it was devastating on a few maps.
Less popular than other Pyro subclasses you are right but I actually played the class in a very similar way back then when the thermal thruster was just added to the game, even now I can still see it being very fun but also strong!
@@androtti1008 Exactly, it was super fun. Wished I could see it more
I feel like a subclass is combining both a different mindset and a unique weapon(s).
And half of the subclasses here are mindset only or weapon only.
Like, the observer - cloak and dagger don't stop you from playing normal spy, your mindset does. Same with crit sniper, boxer or gunspy.
While bonk scout and the paratrooper - they're just using the unique weapons, their mindsets while playing the classes doesn't change and they don't differ from the normal playstyle that much.
The rest of the subclasses are fine because they differ from a normal playstyle while using a weapon that helps them differ.
Just wanted to write how I think it's agreed on how a subclass should be defined.
Some of the subclasses listed here break that agreement, so that's why there are a lot of angry comments under this video.
This video is honestly well made so don't take that as an angry comment, just constructive criticism.
He really stretched the definition of a subclass for the video
You provide a good point at least for the two subclasses you mentioned, the mindset part at least the way I tried to mention comes from them using the weapons to specifically prioritize flanking or diving enemies a lot more than the original classes would but I can see how my explanations in the video were very vague and more just depicted it being someone running around with those particular weapons. I do very much appreciate the criticism though and the comment!
@@androtti1008 No problem. You've got yourself a new subscirber btw!
Tf2's idea of subclasses is so dogwater hahahaha
Hi, great video, really enjoyed it. Some advice in recording, make sure your microphone has a "pop" filter on it. It gets rid of the mic clipping whenever you make P noises or really any sudden loud letters. They're usually made of foam and go over or in front of the mic. If you don't have one they're pretty cheap and i've seen people use socks as them sometimes. I hope that doesn't come off as condescending or assholish, I just wanted to let you know if you didn't already. Again good video.
Not condescending at all I've actually been considering upgrading some of my recording stuff to make better videos, I appreciate the feedback though!
I am going to argue that Battle Engie should not only be in S tier, but should be in the SSS+ tier as he's the real 10th class to me, especially on offence, infact I only place Engie that way as I find regular Engie incredibly dull.
You see if I’m using the blutsauger it’s because my gaggle of idiots are genuinely just that mentally handicapped to where they die the instant before I can get quickfix uber and the only way I’m getting uber is to live but mine is named “Fine, I’ll don’t it myself!” for good reason I can kill heavies if their aim is not perfect with a medic overhealing them
2:58 now, it would be MUCH more useful if it was given a “crits while blast jumping” stat, but if demoman had won the WAR! update instead of soldier, maybe this would’ve come to be…
Nah what am I talking about the market gardener and caber came in completely different updates
6:07 fat scout is quite good with the KGB, 5 seconds of crit shots can do a lot of damage.
A very good point and another reason why I find it to be the much better Heavy subclass, thank you for the comment!
To be fair, if IM gonna be an Observer, I’m gonna actually be relaying what I’m observing to the team via coms.
Still not very useful though I admit.
Yeah maybe the wiki is right that Demoknight is the only subclass
Gunspy should be higher imo. Once you get good with the revolver, you start getting more kills with it than with the knife even when playing "regular" spy.
Exactly, feels like most people ranking gunspy low probably struggle with aiming, the second benefactor to gunspy is he has the adventage of knowing enemy hp bars making him even more deadlier knowing who to target.
@@teslavet2625 Yeah, it helps a lot knowing exactly which fights you can take
I definitely might of ranked it a bit low as some people in the comments have pointed out, I do also have absolutely terrible aim which also definitely plays a part in it but I thank you for the comment!
Demoknight TF2
10:20 I must inform everyone that he song used here is the remix used in Pokemon of Toby foxs infamous song "The baby is you"
Said song is Homestuck m-preg
True Sub Classes is any subclass is Class that you can realistically see in game added as proper class and that requires 1) Being vastly different gameplay vise from stock class, e.x. being Demoman vs Demoknight, Demoknight could've gotten his own custom model and officially added as 10th class, he's that different from stock demo(he even got more unlocks that Demoman 💀) and 2) It has to require you to have a primary that works vastly differently from your stock primary, aka that means Pyro Shark isn't true sub class, it's a playstyle, but Huntsman IS a proper Subclass, heck Huntsman even sounds like a 10th class name. Heck x2, I'd argue Huntsman should've been TF2 version of sniper archetype, TF2 is so unique it's bizarre they opted to have boring generic sniper as a class while if huntsman replaced sniper, it could've given TF2 more flair. 3) That proper subclass primary should drastically switch your role on the team or your strengths/weaknesses. E.x. Demoman goes from mid range aoe menace to a pick class demoknight, aka demoknight is proper subclass, sniper goes from all range but mostly long range menace to mostly short range menace of a huntsman.
Other examples of subclasses besides Demoknight and Huntsman are:
Mid Range Scout aka shortstop user(shortstop is so much weaker close range than mid-long range compared to stock scattergun I think it's worthy of subclass monicle)
Trolldier(with rocket jumper) and Trolldemo(with sticky jumper)
Dragon Fury Pyro. It vastly changes the way yoy play Pyro, same as Huntsman. Also due to it's ridiculously small hitbox, you basically go from meh aoe class or above average pick/power class.
Battle Engy is kinda hard to say if he's proper subclass or not, either way hate them ruining the fun for 2 main classes and many subclasses 😢.
And yep, that's sadly about how much I think we have proper subclasses, the rest are either just mindset(Hoovy, battle medic) or "I use one weapon religiously that means it's a subclass guys!"-itis (Air Strike, Fat Scout, Boxer, Pyroshark, Bonk scout, omg so many of them jesus)
Rifle sniper and huntsman sniper still play the same role on the team
@@HyperMotionDX Huntsman still plays vastly differently then stock sniper though. Hence why Huntsman is subclass worthy.
I appreciate the very detailed comment, I agree that the TF2 community including myself does usually have a more open term of what a subclass, this video mainly was featuring what I found a lot of people considered one even if by its actual definition it may not completely fit but I do like how well you described what this list could of looked like if I less focused on what is popular and more on what is actually a subclass!
@@androtti1008 Ah glad you enjoyed my comment, I tried to be civil and I'm glad I seem to have achieved that goal 😊
this guy sounds like richter overtime trying to put on a voice (in a good way)
I think they are a very talented creator so I take that as a compliment, thank you!
k ima make a weapon for every subclass below s
Observer: Sleeper Dart Gun (Primary Revolver): -82,5% clip size, -50% damage, +50% longer reload, attacks that deal at least 80% of base damage stun for 2s (cannot stun same target twice in 10s).
Pyroshark: Portable Sprinkler (Secondary Throwable): When thrown, sticks to surfaces and inflicts wetness and a 30% slow to enemies, but extinguishes and very lightly heals allies. Has 1,5x Karate’s effect range and lasts for 12s with a 30s cooldown. Cooldown is reduced by 1s for each melee crit you deal.
Battle Medic: Power Trip (Secondary Medigun): Übercharge doubles heal rate and increases move speed, jump height, attack speed and reload speed by 30%. -50% overheal, Übercharge has 2 charges, Übercharge transfers through weapon switches.
Caber Man: Party Crasher (Secondary Shield): 50% explosive resistance, +20% explosive damage, +15% charge speed, killing an enemy gives 4s of +25% move speed and -25% damage.
Boxer: Grappler’s Hook (Secondary Throwable): Hitting enemies knocks them towards you and deals 20 damage. Hitting surfaces brings you to them at the cost of 20 HP. +30% holster speed.
Crit Sniper: Crippler (Primary Sniper Rifle): -35% damage and attack speed, -40% charge speed, hitting enemies slows them by 20% for 3s, both doubled on a noscope, +20% holster speed.
Gun Spy: Sheriff Badge (Melee Passive): +100% primary ammo, +15 HP, hitscan single shot attacks have 2* of auto-aim.
Über Chainer: Largest Battery (Secondary Medigun): -30% Über charge rate, -40% healing rate, +20% overheal, +15% longer Übercharge.
Fat Scout: Heavy’s Plating (Primary Passive): +100 HP, +20% bullet resistance, incoming attacks always have falloff and never have ramp-up, 30% knockback resistance.
Trolldier: Ground-to-Air-to-Ground Missiles (Primary Rocket Launcher): -25% clip size, right click an enemy to lock on to them, giving you and your rockets a magnetic pull to them but marking you for death.
Pybro: Spies-Be-Gone (Secondary Throwable): -30% bullet resistance, when thrown, sticks to surfaces and deals 1 damage per second to targets in range. Has 2x Karate’s effect range and lasts for 20s with a 60s cooldown.
Ninjaneer: Shinobi’s Shotgun (Primary Shotgun): -50% knockback resistance, -35% damage, teleporters are replaced with Mini-teles that cost 25% less, can’t be upgraded, have less health and are slower but are much smaller and hardly produce particle effects.
Bonk Scout: Hype Train (Melee Bat): -50% explosive resistance, +5% speed for 2s on hit, stacks 5 times, buffs last 40% longer and are drained 40% less (includes Übercharge grace period and BFB Boost), no random crits.
Bleed Scout: Cruel Bully (Primary Shotgun): -33% clip size, -20% attack speed, 25% more accurate, minicrits on debuffed targets.
Battle Engineer: Wild Defender (Secondary Pistol): -40% clip size, 30% less accurate, +50% damage, dispensers are replaced with Mini-dispensers with much less health that can’t be upgraded but build faster and heal in bursts.
And for a few extras…
Nurse Scout: Nurse’s Nailgun (Primary Nailgun): 50 clip, 100 reserve, 350 RPM, 4 damage, 3s reload, shoots slow projectiles. Hitting allies charges meters by 1%, minicrits when it would normally crit, grants minicrits for 3s after falling below maximum HP.
Pocket Medic: Basket Full’o Eggs (Secondary Medigun): Each 3s you spend healing the same person without stopping, hatch 1 egg. Each egg hatched increases healing by 25% additively, up to a maximum of 3. -20% healing rate, Übercharge inmediatly depletes if you switch target.
And, just to be sure, I’ll make some weapons for demoknight-styled subclasses of any other class I can think of
Scoutsquire: Jousting Dagger (Melee Sword): Has slower holster and deploy but greater range. More damage the faster you move (+30% at base max speed) and minicrits while airborne. Marked for death for 6s when hit. No random crits.
Soldierai: Shogun’s Honor (Primary Passive): +50 health, gain a stacking +10% damage resistance boost to all damage but melee when hit with a non-melee attack (up to 80%) for 4s.
Flamebarian: Beast Beheader (Melee Waraxe): Has slower holster and deploy but greater range. Hold to charge up slash. After 1s, minicrit. After 2.5s, crit. Hitting enemies cancels their melee attacks. 30% slower attack speed.
Heavylidin: Russian Inquisition (Melee Greatsword): Has a much slower holster and deploy but greater range and hits all enemies in an area. Cannot use charge for 3s after attacking. No random crits.
Engichief: Leading Vanguard (Melee Hammer): Has slower holster and deploy but greater range. When critting, all nearby allies gain +25% movement speed but you are marked for death for 10s.
Field Medic: Bloodletter Scalpel (Melee Sword): Has slower holster and deploy but greater range. Taunt with an ally or enemy to kill them and give all their nearby allies health regen of 10HP/s for a duration equal to their missing HP/10, in seconds. No random crits.
This was a very fun comment to read you actually have a lot of very good ideas here. The Sprinkler would be very fascinating to add a lot more to the wet effect and the different Medic weapons all fit the subclasses very well some of these should actually be in the game. I appreciate you taking the time to make something like this very much enjoyed it!
Something I want to point out and I don’t think many will notice is the Shinobi’s Shotgun’s knockback resistance reduction makes sentry jumping more efficient, letting you reach sneakier spots to place your teleporters in. Also the Grappler’s Hook is such a smart name, writing it doubled my self-esteem
You can also combo bleed scout with Baby Face Blaster, which, if used correctly, will turn you into 1) a fucking train, and 2) the most annoying player for the enemy team thanks to ability to quickly get in and get out.
4:01 to be real with you... Ive NEVER heard od the Crit Sniper.
Though i do have a subclass called "Pissniper" That has Sydney sleeper, jarate and bushwacka-
It's known as a lot less censored names typically
the demo knights greatest weakness is a pyro with a an airburst near a cliff