Q: Here you will see what appears to be a normal commercial aircraft, however if you simply adjust the flight path slightly it becomes a device for creating an international incident. Please use it wisely 007.
This episode is why I love wtyp. Almost like disasters are more likely the fault of failing or corrupt systems that create the conditions rather than the individual failure point in a given chain of events.
No this was Karl Marx fault. Page 2 of the communist manifesto says, you must call trans people by their preferred pronouns or face firing squads and also, shoot down airliners and pretend it was just a clusterfuck of oppsie daisies
@@rawbebaba I follow the heuristic of Murphy. _Everything that can go wrong, will go wrong._ Also the wisdom of this unknown author: _If you make something idiot-proof, they will just make a better idiot._
This is making me hopeful for a Chernobyl episode. Bc earlier they said that they didn't/would do a Chernobyl episode since it was less of an engineering disaster and more of a human error disaster. They even called it a 'miracle of engineering'.
I thought this was a podcast about engineering disasters. That surface to air missile did its job perfectly and I got to say that civilian aircraft are not engineered to survive these missiles
This episode is why I love wtyp. Almost like disasters are more likely the fault of failing or corrupt systems that create the conditions rather than the individual failure point in a given chain of events.
Fun fact about the Su-15: That aircraft model retired with a 2-0 kill-death record, both of which were airliners. It was also the aircraft responsible for Yuri Gagarin's death, as it passed by his MiG-15 too close. I'd hate to be the guy at Sukhoi who designed that thing...
I would argue that the SU-15 is 2-0-1 in its record against airliners, with both of its wins occurring against Korean Air Lines. However they aircraft tied in its match against an Argentina cargo plane. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Armenia_mid-air_collision
@@ReganSmash33 that's a collision, not a fight. If we start counting the accident rate as part of the combat record, the F-104 becomes even more of a joke, but you also see several "invincible" aircraft sweating because their safety records are a joke... Such as the SR-71 which claims zero losses to enemy fire but it was so common to see the damn thing disintegrate that I'm sure the odds even out. The F-22 also gets egg on it's face then because not only has it had several accidents but a recurring oxygen system problem that saw it given an altitude restriction for about a year I think.
Not only was SK still a dictatorship, it was arguably at its most repressive and violent in the early 80s as student and church movements became more anti-government and both factions grew and the KCIA and military were increasingly used against them.
At that time SK riot police cracking down yet another protest was pretty much a daily occurrence in main TV news programme in my country... ... that country being People's Republic of Poland.
The Dead Hand was proposed but never made. The Soviet bureaucracy were horrified by the idea of a single machine that could make that choice and they were dealing with psycho generals who are like "WE GOTTA NUKE THE USA NOW HURRY", so they decided on a semi-automatic system. The idea of being assured retaliation would calm their most trigger-happy generals. How it works is that in times of crisis, the leadership activates Perimeter which delegates nuclear command authority if and only if, several conditions are met, probably including Moscow disappearing in a big bright flash with a lot of radiation, to 3 warrant officers who are sitting in a concrete sphere in a command bunker in the Urals. These poor fuckers, who have the worst job in history, have to make the decision to confirm the computer's decision to end the world, and if they agree, they order the launch of a special ballistic missile with a radio instead of a nuclear warhead. This radio transmits the launch order and codes to all surviving Soviet nuclear forces.
@@grmpEqweer there's probably ways to circumvent that like three keys too far out of reach for one guy (Edit: assuming it was designed with any semblance of competency)
To be honest, apparently nuclear codes in the US were just all set to 0 for years... and there have been stories more recently where the men crewing the silo controls just leave the front bunker hatch propped open so they can order pizza lol
As soon as the phrase "people sucked out of their clothes" was uttered, I was waiting expectantly for Liam's contribution, and he delivered. 10/10 podcast, got exactly what I ordered
Little known fact: the lost episode is lost because it comes to light that a slightly drunk Lliam used the Jewish space laser to sink the Belgrano in the Falklands.
It's worth noting that a contributing factor to the Soviets immediately going into "ass-covering mode" is the fact that this was actually the SECOND Korean Air Line flight they had shot down at that point. Five years previously, on April 20th, 1978, Korean Air Line Flight 902 was flying from France to Anchorage where it was supposed to refuel before flying the rest of the way to Seoul (on the same route 007 was supposed to follow). Unfortunately, they got turned around when flying over the North Pole and wound up going the exact opposite direction they were supposed to, eventually flying over the very northern tip of Finland and entering Soviet Airspace. The SU-15 that was sent to intercept was unable to establish contact and the airliner was deemed a military target through a comedy of errors similar to the ones discussed in this episode and was eventually shot down. Unlike flight 007, the pilots managed to maintain control of the plane and performed an emergency landing just short of the Finnish Border. All but two of the passengers would end up surviving so I guess the Soviets felt like they could do better on the next one. Honestly, Flight 902 is interesting enough to be made into an episode in its own right but in the mean time a channel called Disaster Breakdown made a (much shorter) video on the incident if anyone wants to learn more and is too lazy to just read Wikipedia.
Let's not forget the West German teenager who fly a private plane right onto Red Square ('81 or '82), so Air Defense had a lot of egg on it's face by the time 007 came along
Flight 902 is fucking bizarre, not only did the pilots fly in the complete wrong direction for hours without noticing, they then ignored the soviet pilot trying to lead them to landing and instead did an evasive maneuver
The Soviets did absolutely believe the U.S./NATO would be the ones to start a nuclear war, but they generally didn't think it would come as a surprise "bolt from the blue" in the strictest sense (at least not by the 1980s). They generally though it would occur as the development of an existing conventional war, after NATO had already attacked them and then inevitably been beaten back in their assault on Warsaw Pact territory (the Soviets believed any war would start with the West invading them, not the other way around), and then resorting to nukes when their offensive failed. The Soviets also believed that they could get sufficient indications and warning that the West was preparing a nuclear attack that they could do a "launch-on-warning" pre-retaliatory strike to hit them before they were able to launch their own attack - which they were able to posit wasn't actually a "first strike" since the West would be preparing a first strike of their own and the Soviets were just trying to pre-empt the ongoing first strike before it actually struck. Point being, nuclear war: is stupid as FUCK.
Post-cold War it was revealed the Soviet Union considered a tactical nuclear weapons just normal weapons, with no restrictions on their use. People not talking to each other was common in the Soviet Union
As one of those cashiers, I too have been put off smoking, because being tasked with keeping a smoker's temperament in check whilst making sure you do hand them the right pack in a wall of vomit green coloured packs (or face being unnecessarily being yelled at by said smoker) is too much mental bandwidth for me to be dealing with most days.
Same, I was selling cigs to the same people every day. And seeing what that shit does to people who smoke for like 30 years is nuts. I smoked for 6 years and then stopped after that.
Tobacco is one of those things that the more you work around it the more familiar you become with it. You start to pick up on the weird naming conventions and types of products available. My main problem is my general dyslexia and unfamiliarity with cigars, I had a customer the other day insist to me that a product we sold with the name brand they specified was different from what I could find and then made a point of specificing wording on the package that made the difference and they were talking to me as though I was aware of what they were talking about, while having zero idea of the difference. TL; DR People suck and maybe people should stop smoking...
Once a customer asked me for Pall Mall shorts. We had 7 colors and multiple short varieties so I asked what color. Their response was “PALL MALL SHORTS”
I appreciate your deep rage. Always have, always will. It's like a security blanket in these shitty political times. It expresses what I currently do not have the emotional bandwidth to express. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
One method the Soviets used, quite successfully, to divert the US Navy into searching the wrong area of ocean was deploying a sound beacon which exactly mimicked the sounds made by the aircraft's black boxes.
"I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing. I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing... I did not tell the ground that it was a Boeing-type plane; they did not ask me." - Maj. Osipovich holy fuck
You left out the part where he said "It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use." He clearly could have and should have done more to identify the plane, but by leaving that part out you make it sound like he was aware it was full of civilians and destroyed it anyway instead of believing it to be in military use and not bothering to check.
@roborovskihamster5425 It had KOREAN AIR LINES painted on the side. They had visuals on KAL 007 during the shoot down. USAF Boeings used for ELINT were painted with white tops, high visibility roundels, and had UNITED STATES AIR FORCE marked on the side. The pilot should've been shot for murder.
Boring Plane Guy here: VORTAC stations are basically fancy light houses. They use two signals, an omni-directional pulse and a revolving directional signal, timed so that when the directional signal is pointed to North the omni signal pulses. The aircraft measures the timing difference between the two signals to tell where it is relative to the VORTAC stations. In 1983, flying over oceans you could use the OMEGA Very Low Frequency stations to get a reasonable idea of where you are. These were decommissioned in 1997, and were simple Radio Direction Finder signals, intended for commerce shipping navigation. Modern commercial liners use combinations of VORTAC, GPS, and INS to track where they are, comparing all the signals to make sure they're in agreement. If there's a conflict, I believe the system defaults to the GPS data, but flags the flight crew to be alerted to the possible discrepancies.
5:43 Given how shut our COVID response has been, I’m 100% on board with the idea Omicron originated here in the Netherlands. Dutch COVID failings are almost worthy of their own episode at this point in time…
@@ClaudiaNW I'm Dutch and they really should do that. And our worst train disaster would also make for a great podcast. Or that El Al flight into a massive apartment block. Or the Enschede Fireworks disaster. Or the Moerdijk Fire, cause by someone heating a pump or something filled with very flammable liquid with a blowtorch.
Bit of trivia on how the A-10 keeps the cannon from choking the engines. The propellant gasses from the cannon occasionally get sucked into the engines filling depriving them of oxygen. They figured out they could wire the starter to the trigger so they’d keep sparking as long as the cannon’s firing so it starts up as soon as it’s out of the smoke.
18:37 The 747-230B A 747-200 is just a 747-100 but slightly beefed up, longer range, slightly better engines and fuel burn. The "230B" refers to the Boeing Customer Code, KAL 007 was originally delivered to Condor (Which was apart of Lufthansa) thus forth it got Lufthansa's customer code, which is 30. Korean Air Lines only got this aircraft in 1979. This practice of assigning special customer codes to airlines who ordered aircraft straight from Boeing ended when the 787 was introduced.
I guessed the second number was the (manufacturer intended) number of seats. That would mean it would have 230 seats and the B is the B deck - the windows behind the cockpit. Seems I was wrong then. Or is this how it's done today?
Alice is thinking of χ which is later in the alphabet and spelled Chi and pronounced "kai" in English. Liam's talking about Ξ, which comes after Nu, is spelled Xi in English, pronounced "ksi" in Greek, and "zai" or "ksai" in English. ΑΞΔ does pronounce it "zee" though.
thank you, I was wondering why everyone was pronouncing Chi weirdly to make a political point, this makes much more sense and shows how little I know of the greek alphabet it does track skipping nu for being close to new, and Xi for just being part of the name of a world leader
Well specifically the leader of the country covid origininated from. I feel like if Trump had been successful in his coup he wouldve forced the HHS to call it Xi lol to solidify the deranged cold war he (and the MIC) was trying to start with China
Yes! Only been up for 22 minutes! I knew I was staying up until 5:00am for a reason! Thanks for giving me a reason to justify my crappy sleep schedule!
Now that I'm all caught up on the back log I'd like to formally request an episode every day because even though I'm not a Patreon supporter as a cis white male I figure I still deserve to, if not get, at least openly demand it. (Alright, now that I'm done shit posting. I'm through the backlog and love the podcast. It's now on my list of things to be excited for every week or two! Thanks for all the hard work, guys! And by that of course I mean thank you for exactly the right lack of effort and please don't ever change. It's incredibly endearing!)
You know a plane got shot down if there are conspiracy theories that it crashed and that a plane crashed if there are conspiracy theories that it got shot down.
I really want to imagine that Cold War USA poured millions of their defence fundings into a developing a new sextant that's EMP-hardened and works underwater and upside-down; meanwhile the Soviets had to use legacy sextants which are radioactive and need lead shielding, held underneath the cockpit, and are viewed by Spock jamming his eye down a glowing scope at his science officer station behind and to the left of the pilot
39:59 The Soviets could not reach KAL 007 by radio because Soviet fighters like that Sukhoi 14 "Flagon" (NATO codename) lacked the international emergency VHF/UHF/HF frequencies on their radios. The VVS (Soviet Air Force) and the PVO strany (Air Interceptor Forces) set it up like that after WWII or during the War so nobody could defect easily.
I used to work on trawlers , I know of a sinking where after 3 days when navy divers recovered the body that they needed dental records to make an ID because prawns ate him . 10 days plenty of time for crabs
Crustaceans, right? Learning about the Mary Rose wreck when I was a kid, and how the finger bones often disarticulated and dragged away in star patterns by crabs looking for some privacy while they ate.
You see, Inertial Navigation Systems work by telling the plane where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The INS uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the plane from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the INS has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the plane is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the INS. However, the plane must also know where it was. The INS guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the plane has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
17:00 The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
I saved a bunch of these disposable kegs at an old job. The outer casing not pictured here is a super nice quality/durability plastic bucket of an atypical size. Very useful to have around.
I can't believe that driving the plastic keg out into the woods and expending bullets on it was a more money and time efficient way of depressurizing it than just bleeding it off normally. Does sound more fun though.
There should be two black boxes and both have a battery to keep recording in the event of a power failure. If it recorded nothing it is useful evidence. Usually, one contains technical data. The other contains cockpit voice recording and telemetry which is in the cockpit. Now both pretty much do the same thing. As for losing the last 10 minute LOL, sure blame it on the missile.
@@oohhboy-funhouse you do know that those cables are what feeds the data to the boxes? that data isn't recorded in the tail of the plane, all the instruments and sensors are at the front
@@thedeviousduck8027 Depending on the time period and model, there are two boxes for redundancy, always in different places. Today they pretty much record the same thing but back then due to storage limitations they separated out the functions. The voice recorder which also record flight telemetry(Alt, IAS, Pitch, Roll, Yaw, RPM), the one in the cockpit which is in the front, was recovered but somehow "missing" last 10 minutes from a tail hit?!? Like, come on.
Biggest factor in the disaster, one which still plagues Korea is its excessive deference to seniority and rank. Hard to implement CRM when you're dealing with the ultimate Confusion society. The junior office would probably let the senior accidently dump all of a planes fuel mid ocean than commit the taboo of correcting one's superior.
Thanks for ruining the podcast! Ugh! I'm soo upset! Alice got the drops on time, no one said what they were drinking, Justin didn't go to the bathroom in the middle, no dead air, and worst of all, less than 90 minutes! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined! Get this nasty competence stuff away from my beloved Pod!
Couple notes: Ivy Bells ends in 1981. This happens in 1983 just a couple years later. The Pilot had been a reservist in the S K Air Force and knew exactly what he was doing when he loaded the fuel and used other AC's radios to relay his calls to ATC. This is a case where some more books needed to be consumed first to understand what was happening (many of them in the realm of what Spies were up to around that time). Triggering the radars that drive the interceptors while the missile test was active was the point, if memory serves. They expected direct visual inspection would result in an escort to ground and the Rep would anchor the headline. They went with a martyr theme immediately because they were 80% ready for that before the plane took off.
The TL:DR is: States will just shoot down civilians if they think it's needed in the moment, and lie about it afterward. They'll also risk civilians in their nonsense on a daily.
You guys make my day better. I'm suffering from a shitty job, low money and classes kicking my ass and it gets difficult some days to keep my chin up. But your podcast helps. Thanks a bunch.
New job has been acquired, no more relying on tips to be the only way I make money, and finally able to let my old car be used for only driving to and from work instead of delivery.
'For All Mankind' uses this incident in one of their episodes. This series is an alternative history starting when just before Apollo 11 the USSR actually manages to land on the moon first. I quite like it! It has great 'Apollo 13' energy. And engineering people will pick up details that are not overly explained, as in for example the O-ring problems that caused the Challenger to explode.
I finished (I think) listening to every episode that was just Justin, Alice, and Liam. The ones with guests are interesting, but it's just not the same when Liam just gets pushed into a corner where he's just passively listening in awe/fascination rather than him just interrupting Alice and Justin, which I feel is a core part of the experience at this point.
*soviet anthem drops multiple times in video* CZcams recommendations: The Hunt for Red October, free with ads There's some kind of twisted irony about capitalism in all of this that i can't quite get my head around yet.
Thank you so much so much for going off tangent. I live in an area where no one thinks like me. But you guys are on my same wavelength and it helps me feel less insane. Thank you.
I am so tired of red and blue sides getting angry when the other is in control, then doing nothing when their side is in control and shit is going down!
Don't become a tankie, don't join the dipshits who tried to join the axis. communism and anarchism existed long before the bolshevist scum, you have a rich tradition there, one that doesn't massacre worker unions like lenin did.
War Blunder is a crap game. Played for 8 years, 83% in top 3 in any match. The balance is fucked, the devs lie about everything, the fixes to problems create new, worse problems. The code is written in Italian, it's so spaghetti. Also great episode. And what's up with Adam Something?
I've been an aviation freak most of my life. I can't believe _this_ is when I learned why the NATO reporting names for Soviet/Russian military planes start with F or B.
Weirdly enough losing clothes is very common when airplanes break up midair, the power of the airstream just strips off any loose clothing and even shoes and socks.
Oh yeah, tobacco-less snus has boomed here in Denmark. I was perfectly happy that people went with vapes as smoking is gross, but now we're back to trashy pouches. I mean, it's a clean product, but it doesn't help the butt/pouch littering problem.
Fun fact, one of the things that amplified tensions during the Cuban Missile Crisis was a U-2 pilot getting lost while flying at night and wandering into Soviet airspace, who later freaked TF out once he realized he got lost and wandered into Soviet airspace as multiple planes were tailing him below and radio calls were screaming at him in Russian. As for another navigation-related disaster, look up Air New Zealand flight 901.
apparently my first comment on this episode vanished into the aether and now it’s gone and this comment comes off bitchy but i hope you get the buysnus sponsorship and i think this is definitely one of your best episodes under 2 hours. that segue was smooth
The SR71 Blackbird had a star tracking computer install behind the pilots and was how the Blackbird tracked its position at Mach 3 before the era of GPS.
15:20 The plane knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviation to generate corrective commands to drive the plane from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position that it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is is now the position that it wasn't, and if follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the plane is and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the plane must also know where it was. The plane guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the plane has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it know where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
SCENE: Airliner cockpit, somewhere over the Sea of Okhotsk, at night Captain: I'm bored, tell me a joke First Officer: Have you heard of Sukhoi? Captain: What's Sukhoi? First Officer: Sukhoi MY NUTS! Sukhoi Pilot: uggghhhh, so sick of that joke *launches missiles*
There is another possibility that was laid out in the book massacre 747, which was written by retired Canadian Air Force general Richard Rohmer. General Rohmer suggests that the flight crew were *deliberately* taking a shortcut through Soviet airspace to save fuel; at the time, KAL was in financial difficulty, and Gen. Rohmer suggests that it's possible flight crews could have been incentivized to save money wherever possible. The shortest distance between two points on a globe is called a "great circle route", and that *is* what flight 007 followed from the moment it left Anchorage. Flying the straight line vs. the R20 route would have saved about $18,500 in fuel (2023 $); it may not sound like much, but if the airline could save that much 3 times a week, it would add up to nearly $3M per year - which could make a difference to a company on the brink. One of the more obscure facts that Gen. Rohmer uncovered that circumstancially supports this is that, in the aftermath, KAL conducted an internal review of the pilots who regularly flew R20; this review led to the immediate grounding of 14 flight crews. (Grounding is the most-severe punishment a pilot can get, short of being fired.). Rohmer wonders what KAL discovered that would lead them to ground 14 veteran flight crews; obviously, the company would never admit that it had learned its pilots were routinely taking a shortcut through Soviet airspace, but KAL discovered *something* - while investigating the downing of 007 - that led them to ground 14 other crews.
Q: Here you will see what appears to be a normal commercial aircraft, however if you simply adjust the flight path slightly it becomes a device for creating an international incident. Please use it wisely 007.
😂😂
And do try and bring it back in one piece!
KAL 007, it's time to go to Next Location.
Is everybody who listen to WTYP got sucked into NBEU or just into Kill James Bond podcast?
Plane Fall Down, 007
This episode is why I love wtyp. Almost like disasters are more likely the fault of failing or corrupt systems that create the conditions rather than the individual failure point in a given chain of events.
They really are great at showing that. This podcast has definitely radicalized me.
No this was Karl Marx fault. Page 2 of the communist manifesto says, you must call trans people by their preferred pronouns or face firing squads and also, shoot down airliners and pretend it was just a clusterfuck of oppsie daisies
Lol sure tankie
@@rawbebaba
I follow the heuristic of Murphy. _Everything that can go wrong, will go wrong._
Also the wisdom of this unknown author:
_If you make something idiot-proof, they will just make a better idiot._
This is making me hopeful for a Chernobyl episode. Bc earlier they said that they didn't/would do a Chernobyl episode since it was less of an engineering disaster and more of a human error disaster. They even called it a 'miracle of engineering'.
I thought this was a podcast about engineering disasters.
That surface to air missile did its job perfectly and I got to say that civilian aircraft are not engineered to survive these missiles
Indeed, if anything, the missiles and the aircraft were both engineering successes. I wonder why this is a WTYP episode.
This episode is why I love wtyp. Almost like disasters are more likely the fault of failing or corrupt systems that create the conditions rather than the individual failure point in a given chain of events.
this one really made me laugh
Military policy and design arguably share some blame here.
sometimes engineering is about knowing what buttons not to push.
Clippy: “Looks like you’re taking evasive maneuvers… would you like me to start playing ‘Danger Zone’ by Kenny Loggins?”
🤣
LANAAAAAAA
"Which hopefully won't delay this podcast."
NARRATOR: The podcast, of course, was released on saturday.
One day the show will examine the disaster that is its own shows production schedule and the universe will reach a singularity.
Fun fact about the Su-15:
That aircraft model retired with a 2-0 kill-death record, both of which were airliners.
It was also the aircraft responsible for Yuri Gagarin's death, as it passed by his MiG-15 too close.
I'd hate to be the guy at Sukhoi who designed that thing...
I would argue that the SU-15 is 2-0-1 in its record against airliners, with both of its wins occurring against Korean Air Lines. However they aircraft tied in its match against an Argentina cargo plane.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Armenia_mid-air_collision
@@ReganSmash33 that's a collision, not a fight. If we start counting the accident rate as part of the combat record, the F-104 becomes even more of a joke, but you also see several "invincible" aircraft sweating because their safety records are a joke... Such as the SR-71 which claims zero losses to enemy fire but it was so common to see the damn thing disintegrate that I'm sure the odds even out. The F-22 also gets egg on it's face then because not only has it had several accidents but a recurring oxygen system problem that saw it given an altitude restriction for about a year I think.
Not only was SK still a dictatorship, it was arguably at its most repressive and violent in the early 80s as student and church movements became more anti-government and both factions grew and the KCIA and military were increasingly used against them.
At that time SK riot police cracking down yet another protest was pretty much a daily occurrence in main TV news programme in my country...
... that country being People's Republic of Poland.
@@PobortzaPl based
The Dead Hand was proposed but never made. The Soviet bureaucracy were horrified by the idea of a single machine that could make that choice and they were dealing with psycho generals who are like "WE GOTTA NUKE THE USA NOW HURRY", so they decided on a semi-automatic system. The idea of being assured retaliation would calm their most trigger-happy generals.
How it works is that in times of crisis, the leadership activates Perimeter which delegates nuclear command authority if and only if, several conditions are met, probably including Moscow disappearing in a big bright flash with a lot of radiation, to 3 warrant officers who are sitting in a concrete sphere in a command bunker in the Urals. These poor fuckers, who have the worst job in history, have to make the decision to confirm the computer's decision to end the world, and if they agree, they order the launch of a special ballistic missile with a radio instead of a nuclear warhead. This radio transmits the launch order and codes to all surviving Soviet nuclear forces.
Probably pays pretty well to sit and do nothing.
thats a pretty sweet system ngl
Scary thought. One of the warrant officers gets...well...omnicidal, kills the other two, and launches the transmitter.☠️
@@grmpEqweer there's probably ways to circumvent that like three keys too far out of reach for one guy
(Edit: assuming it was designed with any semblance of competency)
To be honest, apparently nuclear codes in the US were just all set to 0 for years...
and there have been stories more recently where the men crewing the silo controls just leave the front bunker hatch propped open so they can order pizza lol
As soon as the phrase "people sucked out of their clothes" was uttered, I was waiting expectantly for Liam's contribution, and he delivered. 10/10 podcast, got exactly what I ordered
"Never ever play Warthunder" I hear while starting up warthunder for my daily masocism exercise
Missiles are fun
Loading yet another apbc round in my British tank to shoot an spaa
playing my MiG 21 bis - nani the fuck
A wise man once said, “WarThunder: Almost fun, sometimes”
Who wants to hunt warts?
One more thing about Larry McDonald: He kept a framed portrait of Francisco Franco in his office. Very normal and cool guy.
I knew a guy who had an unframed one, great guy, terribly good at playing darts.
Never heard of Larry McDonald. Politico has a really fascinating article on the fasc...er...guy.
that sounds like avery normal and cool thing to do.
@@eleSDSU the only reason to have a Franco portrait.
Sounds kinda based to me.
Little known fact: the lost episode is lost because it comes to light that a slightly drunk Lliam used the Jewish space laser to sink the Belgrano in the Falklands.
I thought the lost episode was when Roz recorded the Boston molasses flood episode over the tacoma narrows bridge episode.
Plane fall down, Mr Bo- Oh wait, sorry, wrong 007-related and November-associated podcast.
It's worth noting that a contributing factor to the Soviets immediately going into "ass-covering mode" is the fact that this was actually the SECOND Korean Air Line flight they had shot down at that point. Five years previously, on April 20th, 1978, Korean Air Line Flight 902 was flying from France to Anchorage where it was supposed to refuel before flying the rest of the way to Seoul (on the same route 007 was supposed to follow). Unfortunately, they got turned around when flying over the North Pole and wound up going the exact opposite direction they were supposed to, eventually flying over the very northern tip of Finland and entering Soviet Airspace. The SU-15 that was sent to intercept was unable to establish contact and the airliner was deemed a military target through a comedy of errors similar to the ones discussed in this episode and was eventually shot down. Unlike flight 007, the pilots managed to maintain control of the plane and performed an emergency landing just short of the Finnish Border. All but two of the passengers would end up surviving so I guess the Soviets felt like they could do better on the next one.
Honestly, Flight 902 is interesting enough to be made into an episode in its own right but in the mean time a channel called Disaster Breakdown made a (much shorter) video on the incident if anyone wants to learn more and is too lazy to just read Wikipedia.
Let's not forget the West German teenager who fly a private plane right onto Red Square ('81 or '82), so Air Defense had a lot of egg on it's face by the time 007 came along
@@schnoodle3 Mathias Rust, it happened in ‘87. Dude turned out to be an absolute nutjob.
Flight 902 is fucking bizarre, not only did the pilots fly in the complete wrong direction for hours without noticing, they then ignored the soviet pilot trying to lead them to landing and instead did an evasive maneuver
“Speaking of Jets getting owned...”
For a second I thought Rocz was prompting Liam to talk about football
Same lol
The Soviets did absolutely believe the U.S./NATO would be the ones to start a nuclear war, but they generally didn't think it would come as a surprise "bolt from the blue" in the strictest sense (at least not by the 1980s). They generally though it would occur as the development of an existing conventional war, after NATO had already attacked them and then inevitably been beaten back in their assault on Warsaw Pact territory (the Soviets believed any war would start with the West invading them, not the other way around), and then resorting to nukes when their offensive failed.
The Soviets also believed that they could get sufficient indications and warning that the West was preparing a nuclear attack that they could do a "launch-on-warning" pre-retaliatory strike to hit them before they were able to launch their own attack - which they were able to posit wasn't actually a "first strike" since the West would be preparing a first strike of their own and the Soviets were just trying to pre-empt the ongoing first strike before it actually struck.
Point being, nuclear war: is stupid as FUCK.
Strange game, the only winning move is not to play...
Post-cold War it was revealed the Soviet Union considered a tactical nuclear weapons just normal weapons, with no restrictions on their use.
People not talking to each other was common in the Soviet Union
@@PobortzaPl how about a game of chess ?
@Ilian Petit The only fame I suck more than chess is Escape From Tarkov, so how about we say You already won?
Solution: make the autopilot more rigid.
_"Oh my god! The autopilot! It's deflating!"_
@@grmpEqweer Looks like I choose bad week to put up drinking...
@@PobortzaPl Looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffin' glue...
@@ryanlittleton5615Thanks for bringing me back to old WTYP videos.
'Imagine a world where all the decisions are made by people in their seventies at their youngest.' Ah I love this podcast.
As one of those cashiers, I too have been put off smoking, because being tasked with keeping a smoker's temperament in check whilst making sure you do hand them the right pack in a wall of vomit green coloured packs (or face being unnecessarily being yelled at by said smoker) is too much mental bandwidth for me to be dealing with most days.
Same, I was selling cigs to the same people every day. And seeing what that shit does to people who smoke for like 30 years is nuts. I smoked for 6 years and then stopped after that.
Tobacco is one of those things that the more you work around it the more familiar you become with it. You start to pick up on the weird naming conventions and types of products available. My main problem is my general dyslexia and unfamiliarity with cigars, I had a customer the other day insist to me that a product we sold with the name brand they specified was different from what I could find and then made a point of specificing wording on the package that made the difference and they were talking to me as though I was aware of what they were talking about, while having zero idea of the difference. TL; DR People suck and maybe people should stop smoking...
Hmm. Seems like you could put numbers on the slots for the packs. Then they just have to ask for the number?
Once a customer asked me for Pall Mall shorts. We had 7 colors and multiple short varieties so I asked what color. Their response was “PALL MALL SHORTS”
@@binary_terror2 I learned that means the red pack lol
I appreciate your deep rage. Always have, always will. It's like a security blanket in these shitty political times. It expresses what I currently do not have the emotional bandwidth to express. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
Episode 93. Justin: But first we have to do the God damn snus.
They’ve done a lot of goddamn snus over the years….
One method the Soviets used, quite successfully, to divert the US Navy into searching the wrong area of ocean was deploying a sound beacon which exactly mimicked the sounds made by the aircraft's black boxes.
"I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing. I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing... I did not tell the ground that it was a Boeing-type plane; they did not ask me."
- Maj. Osipovich
holy fuck
You left out the part where he said "It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use." He clearly could have and should have done more to identify the plane, but by leaving that part out you make it sound like he was aware it was full of civilians and destroyed it anyway instead of believing it to be in military use and not bothering to check.
based soviet pilot
Average Russian military thinking.
Gotta get that pilfered Ukrainian washing machine, after all.
@roborovskihamster5425 It had KOREAN AIR LINES painted on the side. They had visuals on KAL 007 during the shoot down.
USAF Boeings used for ELINT were painted with white tops, high visibility roundels, and had UNITED STATES AIR FORCE marked on the side.
The pilot should've been shot for murder.
Boring Plane Guy here:
VORTAC stations are basically fancy light houses. They use two signals, an omni-directional pulse and a revolving directional signal, timed so that when the directional signal is pointed to North the omni signal pulses. The aircraft measures the timing difference between the two signals to tell where it is relative to the VORTAC stations.
In 1983, flying over oceans you could use the OMEGA Very Low Frequency stations to get a reasonable idea of where you are. These were decommissioned in 1997, and were simple Radio Direction Finder signals, intended for commerce shipping navigation.
Modern commercial liners use combinations of VORTAC, GPS, and INS to track where they are, comparing all the signals to make sure they're in agreement. If there's a conflict, I believe the system defaults to the GPS data, but flags the flight crew to be alerted to the possible discrepancies.
5:43 Given how shut our COVID response has been, I’m 100% on board with the idea Omicron originated here in the Netherlands. Dutch COVID failings are almost worthy of their own episode at this point in time…
Germany is right now working hard to appear on this episode.
shoe polish is NOT an appropriate facial covering
Bonus episode: The Netherlands
(80% of the episode is Liam ranting about the "goddamned Dutch")
@@ClaudiaNW I'd buy that for 2 dollars!
@@ClaudiaNW I'm Dutch and they really should do that. And our worst train disaster would also make for a great podcast. Or that El Al flight into a massive apartment block. Or the Enschede Fireworks disaster. Or the Moerdijk Fire, cause by someone heating a pump or something filled with very flammable liquid with a blowtorch.
Should have guessed that the A10 was the spiritual aircraft of WTYP
...you want rigid??
this is plane for you!
Bit of trivia on how the A-10 keeps the cannon from choking the engines. The propellant gasses from the cannon occasionally get sucked into the engines filling depriving them of oxygen. They figured out they could wire the starter to the trigger so they’d keep sparking as long as the cannon’s firing so it starts up as soon as it’s out of the smoke.
18:37 The 747-230B
A 747-200 is just a 747-100 but slightly beefed up, longer range, slightly better engines and fuel burn. The "230B" refers to the Boeing Customer Code, KAL 007 was originally delivered to Condor (Which was apart of Lufthansa) thus forth it got Lufthansa's customer code, which is 30. Korean Air Lines only got this aircraft in 1979. This practice of assigning special customer codes to airlines who ordered aircraft straight from Boeing ended when the 787 was introduced.
I guessed the second number was the (manufacturer intended) number of seats. That would mean it would have 230 seats and the B is the B deck - the windows behind the cockpit. Seems I was wrong then. Or is this how it's done today?
Alice is thinking of χ which is later in the alphabet and spelled Chi and pronounced "kai" in English. Liam's talking about Ξ, which comes after Nu, is spelled Xi in English, pronounced "ksi" in Greek, and "zai" or "ksai" in English.
ΑΞΔ does pronounce it "zee" though.
thank you, I was wondering why everyone was pronouncing Chi weirdly to make a political point, this makes much more sense and shows how little I know of the greek alphabet
it does track skipping nu for being close to new, and Xi for just being part of the name of a world leader
@@CopenhagenRayne Ditto!
It's pronounced Zye if it's a fraternity but Zee if it's a sorority. This whole issue is driving every person who was Greek n college batshit crazy.
Well specifically the leader of the country covid origininated from. I feel like if Trump had been successful in his coup he wouldve forced the HHS to call it Xi lol to solidify the deranged cold war he (and the MIC) was trying to start with China
Language was a mistake
Yes! Only been up for 22 minutes! I knew I was staying up until 5:00am for a reason! Thanks for giving me a reason to justify my crappy sleep schedule!
P. S. Chernenko 1983-1985
Honestly, the midroll patreon ad was the best thing I've seen in a minute.
It made me realise their pfp has a lil cartoon Alice holding a wrench in a hard hat and it made me smile
Now that I'm all caught up on the back log I'd like to formally request an episode every day because even though I'm not a Patreon supporter as a cis white male I figure I still deserve to, if not get, at least openly demand it.
(Alright, now that I'm done shit posting. I'm through the backlog and love the podcast. It's now on my list of things to be excited for every week or two! Thanks for all the hard work, guys! And by that of course I mean thank you for exactly the right lack of effort and please don't ever change. It's incredibly endearing!)
Don't forget the required "Yay! Liam!"
@@adamwhite2364 YAY! LIAM!
Teamwork, gentleman. Teamwork.
This but I am a patron
Pay the two dollars and listen to the bonus episodes they are with it
You know a plane got shot down if there are conspiracy theories that it crashed and that a plane crashed if there are conspiracy theories that it got shot down.
If it smacked into the Pentagon at 300 mph, it was actually a missile.
@@grmpEqweer Cannot tell if serious or not. I've entirely blown out my sarcasm meter the last few years. Have a thumbs up either way.
Ask Yuri Gagarin
@@Debilitator47 Actually, if an airliner faceplanted in a building, it is simply a (vastly over)manned impromptu criuse missile.
I really want to imagine that Cold War USA poured millions of their defence fundings into a developing a new sextant that's EMP-hardened and works underwater and upside-down; meanwhile the Soviets had to use legacy sextants which are radioactive and need lead shielding, held underneath the cockpit, and are viewed by Spock jamming his eye down a glowing scope at his science officer station behind and to the left of the pilot
Korean Air Lines must have been the Malaysia Airlines of their day, since nearly the same thing happened to KAL Flight 902 in 1978.
39:59 The Soviets could not reach KAL 007 by radio because Soviet fighters like that Sukhoi 14 "Flagon" (NATO codename) lacked the international emergency VHF/UHF/HF frequencies on their radios. The VVS (Soviet Air Force) and the PVO strany (Air Interceptor Forces) set it up like that after WWII or during the War so nobody could defect easily.
I used to work on trawlers , I know of a sinking where after 3 days when navy divers recovered the body that they needed dental records to make an ID because prawns ate him . 10 days plenty of time for crabs
Crustaceans, right?
Learning about the Mary Rose wreck when I was a kid, and how the finger bones often disarticulated and dragged away in star patterns by crabs looking for some privacy while they ate.
You see, Inertial Navigation Systems work by telling the plane where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The INS uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the plane from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the INS has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the plane is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the INS. However, the plane must also know where it was. The INS guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the plane has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
"I hope you all are doing well"
Liam: "Shut the fuck up"
The podcast that hates you back!
17:00 The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
is it wrong if i read that in the automated sounding voice with a hip-hop beat in the background?
is this cybernetics?
Classic
We have a bot !!!!
I saved a bunch of these disposable kegs at an old job. The outer casing not pictured here is a super nice quality/durability plastic bucket of an atypical size. Very useful to have around.
“Whenever Snoose is not on screen, all the podcasters should be asking, ‘Where’s Snoose?’ “- Liam Anderson
They should have called it Nu Covid and then brought back the classic to massive fanfare
I can't believe that driving the plastic keg out into the woods and expending bullets on it was a more money and time efficient way of depressurizing it than just bleeding it off normally. Does sound more fun though.
It's not about cost it's about sending a message
It's funny to come back to old episodes because you get gems like 1:15:26 that are surprisingly topical
Wait, a single episode?
Only an hour and a half ?
What's this, a return to tradition? On my Engineering & Banter podcast?
I have been binge watching the aviation accidents on CZcams this past 2 weeks so this comes right in time for me
Well, the black boxes are actually right where the missiles hit: at the tail. No mystery why they stopped working, just severed cables.
There should be two black boxes and both have a battery to keep recording in the event of a power failure. If it recorded nothing it is useful evidence. Usually, one contains technical data. The other contains cockpit voice recording and telemetry which is in the cockpit. Now both pretty much do the same thing. As for losing the last 10 minute LOL, sure blame it on the missile.
@@oohhboy-funhouse you do know that those cables are what feeds the data to the boxes? that data isn't recorded in the tail of the plane, all the instruments and sensors are at the front
@@thedeviousduck8027 Depending on the time period and model, there are two boxes for redundancy, always in different places. Today they pretty much record the same thing but back then due to storage limitations they separated out the functions. The voice recorder which also record flight telemetry(Alt, IAS, Pitch, Roll, Yaw, RPM), the one in the cockpit which is in the front, was recovered but somehow "missing" last 10 minutes from a tail hit?!? Like, come on.
In the basement of the stadium I work in, there is a very large device, about the volume of a large closet, labeled "beer pump."
Biggest factor in the disaster, one which still plagues Korea is its excessive deference to seniority and rank. Hard to implement CRM when you're dealing with the ultimate Confusion society. The junior office would probably let the senior accidently dump all of a planes fuel mid ocean than commit the taboo of correcting one's superior.
Oeee!! Still to this day?
@@divecolosio4988 See MV Sewol ferry disaster, 2014. 311 deaths where everyone could have easily gotten off in time.
@@divecolosio4988 2014, MV Sewol ferry disaster, 311 needless deaths
@@divecolosio4988 They did have to adopt cockpit CRM or risk being banned from US airspace. However I understand while better it still has issues.
You would be very correct. It's literally killing people and I truly wish they would chill.
Yakov Smirnoff’s opening line on his Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedians set was “So,, let me tell you all what happened to that airplane…”
The US (and Japan) show why it's so important to have non-person-bound, strictly proportional democracy.
Makes you think!
Thanks for ruining the podcast! Ugh! I'm soo upset!
Alice got the drops on time, no one said what they were drinking, Justin didn't go to the bathroom in the middle, no dead air, and worst of all, less than 90 minutes! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!
Get this nasty competence stuff away from my beloved Pod!
I've seen many incidents with those plastic kegs. The best one was when one ruptured and flew up the street like a Gmod rocket
90s blue screen money order ads is the only way I want ads served to me from here on out
Couple notes: Ivy Bells ends in 1981. This happens in 1983 just a couple years later. The Pilot had been a reservist in the S K Air Force and knew exactly what he was doing when he loaded the fuel and used other AC's radios to relay his calls to ATC. This is a case where some more books needed to be consumed first to understand what was happening (many of them in the realm of what Spies were up to around that time).
Triggering the radars that drive the interceptors while the missile test was active was the point, if memory serves. They expected direct visual inspection would result in an escort to ground and the Rep would anchor the headline. They went with a martyr theme immediately because they were 80% ready for that before the plane took off.
The TL:DR is: States will just shoot down civilians if they think it's needed in the moment, and lie about it afterward. They'll also risk civilians in their nonsense on a daily.
You guys make my day better. I'm suffering from a shitty job, low money and classes kicking my ass and it gets difficult some days to keep my chin up. But your podcast helps. Thanks a bunch.
New job has been acquired, no more relying on tips to be the only way I make money, and finally able to let my old car be used for only driving to and from work instead of delivery.
straight up had to check the upload date for the second half of the god damn news hell world hell world
'For All Mankind' uses this incident in one of their episodes.
This series is an alternative history starting when just before Apollo 11 the USSR actually manages to land on the moon first.
I quite like it! It has great 'Apollo 13' energy. And engineering people will pick up details that are not overly explained, as in for example the O-ring problems that caused the Challenger to explode.
I finished (I think) listening to every episode that was just Justin, Alice, and Liam. The ones with guests are interesting, but it's just not the same when Liam just gets pushed into a corner where he's just passively listening in awe/fascination rather than him just interrupting Alice and Justin, which I feel is a core part of the experience at this point.
I like both ways with or without guests
as an airplane guy, your description of the airplane specific stuff (VORs, INS, autopilot) was good enough.
*soviet anthem drops multiple times in video*
CZcams recommendations: The Hunt for Red October, free with ads
There's some kind of twisted irony about capitalism in all of this that i can't quite get my head around yet.
Tom Clancy was certainly keen on capitalism (he even wrote the flat tax into one of his books)
You guys should do one on Kowloon city! Also love your stuff
Thank you so much so much for going off tangent. I live in an area where no one thinks like me. But you guys are on my same wavelength and it helps me feel less insane. Thank you.
I am so tired of red and blue sides getting angry when the other is in control, then doing nothing when their side is in control and shit is going down!
Stop playing on 2fort then
It takes a special breed of person to vote your guy in and then still find a way to be disappointed by the consequences.
Hearing that they are trying to make single use kegs from plastic makes my blood boil
back here months later and the Roe v Wade bullshit has come back (:
we stan the person who released the documents
1:24:05 So glad you guys finally realised you'd already covered the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Disaster years back.
It's just how you can tell it's season 2
airlines actually used celestial navigation in pacific crossings (because of lack of radar/gps/navigation aids) until very recently
...yeah, overturning roe vs wade is somewhere along the lines of having similiar women's rights as dubai.
Every time I listen to another episode of this podcast, I get more and more radicalised
Don't become a tankie, don't join the dipshits who tried to join the axis.
communism and anarchism existed long before the bolshevist scum, you have a rich tradition there, one that doesn't massacre worker unions like lenin did.
War Blunder is a crap game. Played for 8 years, 83% in top 3 in any match. The balance is fucked, the devs lie about everything, the fixes to problems create new, worse problems. The code is written in Italian, it's so spaghetti.
Also great episode. And what's up with Adam Something?
3:00 "This has been the Snus Hour."
You should've called it The God Damn Snus.
Man weeks fly, already another episode. Anyway keep up the good work ya all! Think this is the only podcast i don´t get tired of listening.
I've been an aviation freak most of my life. I can't believe _this_ is when I learned why the NATO reporting names for Soviet/Russian military planes start with F or B.
The 30B is usually an airline specific variation of the 747-200
In this case, the 30 means it was originally sold to Condor before being sold on to Korean Air later on.
Weirdly enough losing clothes is very common when airplanes break up midair, the power of the airstream just strips off any loose clothing and even shoes and socks.
...🤔...
_Pictures the horror of a bunch of naked, screaming Americans falling out of the sky_
Oh good god I didn't need that information.😨
crab dancing meme with text "me and the boys about to vore KAL 007"
Oh yeah, tobacco-less snus has boomed here in Denmark. I was perfectly happy that people went with vapes as smoking is gross, but now we're back to trashy pouches. I mean, it's a clean product, but it doesn't help the butt/pouch littering problem.
And people complain about the Romani leaving garbage around.
Fun fact, one of the things that amplified tensions during the Cuban Missile Crisis was a U-2 pilot getting lost while flying at night and wandering into Soviet airspace, who later freaked TF out once he realized he got lost and wandered into Soviet airspace as multiple planes were tailing him below and radio calls were screaming at him in Russian.
As for another navigation-related disaster, look up Air New Zealand flight 901.
Yeah, "lost". If you find a plane designed for spying in your airspace, it obviously just made wrong turn.
Is that the mount Erebus disaster where their course went right into the one mountain in Antarctica?
@@memomorph5375
Yeah, I think that was the Erebus crash. Several of the aircrash tubers have covered that one.
1:18:38 when the first guest falls the second guest picks up their microphone and continues the assault... lol
Big W for anarchists that all it took to bring down the USSR is a pizza hut
Alice IS the only one that remembers, absolutely no one remembers Tim Kaine.
Ah yes, the brother of Citizen Kaine ;)
I remember him. I also remember Sarah Palin. And somehow John Edwards
@@ClaudiaNWthe only reason I remember Paul Ryan is because of cs188.
"If you have a Soviet Union that needs running" 🎶go ask Alice, I think she'll know🎶
Of COURSE kamchatka is the one to attack a civilian target due to paranoia!!
Wow, the WTYP and Kill James Bond crossover episode is finally here!
dead hand is an example of a fail-deadly system, not fail-safe
apparently my first comment on this episode vanished into the aether and now it’s gone and this comment comes off bitchy but i hope you get the buysnus sponsorship and i think this is definitely one of your best episodes under 2 hours. that segue was smooth
The SR71 Blackbird had a star tracking computer install behind the pilots and was how the Blackbird tracked its position at Mach 3 before the era of GPS.
This Episode's Safety Third was -amazing-.
If Sea of Thieves tought me anything, it is that you should never store keggs below deck
Wait, if they’re *on* deck aren’t they really obvious targets for a hostile ship?
I've had Pfizer and Moderna so far, I want to get AZ and J&J so I can complete the collection.
15:20 The plane knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviation to generate corrective commands to drive the plane from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position that it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is is now the position that it wasn't, and if follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the plane is and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the plane must also know where it was. The plane guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the plane has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it know where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
Just switched seat while driving for a few hours, this is going to be a nice drive :)
No it's only 90 minutes! What is this, a podcast for ants?!
SCENE: Airliner cockpit, somewhere over the Sea of Okhotsk, at night
Captain: I'm bored, tell me a joke
First Officer: Have you heard of Sukhoi?
Captain: What's Sukhoi?
First Officer: Sukhoi MY NUTS!
Sukhoi Pilot: uggghhhh, so sick of that joke *launches missiles*
The emergency bicorn hat is in case the co-pilot's cereal starts to get soggy.
pretty disappointed this episode isn't 4 hours long
I hopped onto the podcast with epIsode 9 (and backtracked). So happy to see how far it's come
I love that reference to the gorbatschov pizza gut add.
You did it AGAIN. You keep releasing airline disasters RIGHT when I am going on a flight. WHO GAVE YOU MY TRAVEL ITTINERARY
I really want to know which jet Alice unlocked in War Thunder, cause if it's the Meteor then I understand.
There is another possibility that was laid out in the book massacre 747, which was written by retired Canadian Air Force general Richard Rohmer. General Rohmer suggests that the flight crew were *deliberately* taking a shortcut through Soviet airspace to save fuel; at the time, KAL was in financial difficulty, and Gen. Rohmer suggests that it's possible flight crews could have been incentivized to save money wherever possible. The shortest distance between two points on a globe is called a "great circle route", and that *is* what flight 007 followed from the moment it left Anchorage.
Flying the straight line vs. the R20 route would have saved about $18,500 in fuel (2023 $); it may not sound like much, but if the airline could save that much 3 times a week, it would add up to nearly $3M per year - which could make a difference to a company on the brink.
One of the more obscure facts that Gen. Rohmer uncovered that circumstancially supports this is that, in the aftermath, KAL conducted an internal review of the pilots who regularly flew R20; this review led to the immediate grounding of 14 flight crews. (Grounding is the most-severe punishment a pilot can get, short of being fired.). Rohmer wonders what KAL discovered that would lead them to ground 14 veteran flight crews; obviously, the company would never admit that it had learned its pilots were routinely taking a shortcut through Soviet airspace, but KAL discovered *something* - while investigating the downing of 007 - that led them to ground 14 other crews.