The First Woman to Officially Run the Boston Marathon
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“No woman can run the Boston Marathon,” said Arnie Briggs, Kathrine Switzer’s running coach. This coming from a man who had been excited to see a woman start running with the all-male cross country team at Syracuse University. He insisted that women were too fragile to run for 26 miles, though he conceded that if Switzer could do a 26-mile practice run, he’d take her to Boston.
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Overcoming prejudice in this way is just as taxing as the physical stress of the race itself. What an amazing person!
I couldn't even walk 26 miles, kudos to her.
But would you walk 500 miles, and would you walk 500 more?
my sister finished the NYC marathon last year. im so proud of her.
This only shows how stupid those organizers are when they disqualified her despite having no specific rules barring women's participation in the said marathon.
If she had sued, she'd have won. (But it probably would have cost more in time and money than it was worth.)
Silkendrum Let's add the fact that discrimination were still prominent way back then.
Hey, watch that "way back then"! I had already graduated from college when that race was run. "Way back then", indeed. (Snort) I know a lot about sexual discrimination. I graduated with a degree in mathematics, and applied to multiple insurance companies for a job as a statistician, and all they wanted to know was whether I could type and take shorthand.
2 words. Male ego.
It's called being a spiteful sack of shit, the organiser was clearly just pissed off that she'd made him feel stupid
I remember that happening. It was a major milestone towards women's rights that are simply considered the norm now
That's a long time ago. It's unfortunate that SJWs take their man-hating practices too far(Anywhere outside of tumblr) though. If they would just stick with women earning the same as men and such, I'm fine with that. As a guy I do strafe for equal rights among genders. I just personally think creating transgender toilets just for them goes too far.
theawecabinet you're joking right? You sound like you're holding some sort of grudge lmao. I honestly don't even know where to start with this comment.
Northie of course somebody has to bring "sjws" into the conversation. Most of that culture exists solely on the internet and has no basis in reality.
theawecabinet thanks for the essay. You seem pretty self-assured so I don't see any point in providing my own personal thoughts on the issue. As far as the whole SJW issue goes I think all the turmoil is beyond petty. The majority of googles work forces is white males so I see no problem in promoting a more diverse environment as it's been shown to benefit companies in the long run. There will always be people who take things too personally and get easily offended by the littlest things. It's just the realty of the very open society we live in. Focusing on these people and making a big deal over their overly sensitive reactions only gives them more power and attention. People are only giving them validation.
"...thanks for the essay. You seem pretty self-assured...."
Quite the opposite in fact. I understand the idea of women NOT being weak and pathetic victims is a revolutionary concept for most people, and most people react with very strong (negative) emotions to the idea that women are equal to men. Often they direct those emotions in the form of hatred and vitriol (not you though thankfully!)
So the point is.... I have to be very careful to present a coherent case based on reason and evidence. Anybody can say "Women are objects controlled by men!!!!" and nobody demands any more explanation. But to propose that women are NOT objects mean you will always be treated like a mad person.
"... I don't see any point in providing my own personal thoughts on the issue...."
Well that's jolly convenient then.
".... As far as the whole SJW issue goes I think all the turmoil is beyond petty..."
Getting fired from you job or being threatened with jail is the opposite of petty.
"... The majority of googles work forces is white males...."
I would put money on google hiring more Asians than is representative of the population as a whole, and men tend to be concentrated in the more techy side of the company. This is because (on average) men tend to be more attracted to those kinds of jobs.
Just out of interest, have you ever called for more women to be pushed into careers like roofing, plumbing, truck driving, garbage disposal, construction, meat processing, oil rig catering etc which are all currently 'male dominated' careers..... or do you only want to push women into STEM careers which pose less risk to women's safety, and offer more appealing working conditions?
"... so I see no problem in promoting a more diverse environment ...."
'Promoting' is when you tell people "hey you should train to be a programmer and then apply for a job as a programmer!"
'Diversity' is when a company discriminates against certain candidates based on their race/ sex.
".. It's just the realty of the very open society we live in.."
Like I said, Damore was fired for criticising google's policy of racial/ sexual discrimination (for which they are also being sued for). Racial/ sexual discrimination is the opposite of an open society.
"..... Focusing on these people and making a big deal over their overly sensitive reactions only gives them more power and attention...."
No, it exposes their lies and hypocrisy and their illegal practices.
I think this would make a good movie.
Yes as long as you get to take out the official with a tackle!
@@mikegurney9278He is a part of the story as a whole I think you would have to leave it in the film
16 days after Switzer ran the Boston Marathon, she ran another in Toronto, Canada along with another woman. 13 year old MAUREEN WILTON set the women's world record that day in a time of 3:15:23. Everyone remembers Switzer, and nobody remembers the little girl who whipped her time BY AN HOUR.
Its crazy that this was the 60/70s. I thought this would have happened by the 30s. Women were flying round the world but they couldnt compete in the fucking boston marathon. Jesus.
'Jogging' was still a fringe activity back then. Didn't he say there were like 400 competitors? Also, probably very little in the way of sponsorship and I'm guessing part of the reason for the reluctance was just the extra cost of catering for women and having the event go on another hour or two before they could start packing it up.
That's because women fought (and won) an actual battles, not a right for a mud-fight.
I love your videos. Dense and interesting infomation my brain can readily absorb. Thankyou.
You're very welcome. :-)
Watching this right before heading out to run a 5K :)
This is such an awesome story, I really wanna see a movie about it
Great vid!
Me and my girlfriends were watching in Boston that day, when Switzer ran by we nearly lost our voices we were cheering for her so loud. A great day for us!
Deja vu. I'm certain that you guys posted this one before, I recognize the thumbnail and subject.
Nope. Not on CZcams anyway. If you subscribe to our email newsletter or visit the website frequently, you probably saw it there? Either that or someone else on CZcams maybe covered this recently?
No, you definitely did cover this not too long ago. I remember because comment sections full of people trying to justify feminism and virtue signal are always a hoot.
Space Leopard I thought the same thing. I'm almost positive they have done this story.
There is a vid on the channel about a woman who got in baseball which is very similar, so you may be mistaking this to that:
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They certainly did this video already.
A win for real feminism.
This was quite a heart warming tale.
Too bad modern "feminism" would have it so men were banned from running. And women who did it were just internalizing misogyny, and were fat shaming by not being tubs of lard.
Nah, feminism is the ideological equivalent of having ass cancer. In your brain. It's a win for this woman.
Space Leopard There were women ( and men of course) who where working their whole life to further equality between men and women. Are you really going to deny their achievements (or literally all achievements of feminism) because of a handful of very loud and very angry modern "feminists"?
"..There were women ( and men of course) who where working their whole life to further equality between men and women..."
Such as what? The suffragettes fought for (and won) the female privilege of voting rights without any associated obligations (such as the draft). That was certainly not equality (as many WOMEN argued at the time, when they opposed the suffragettes).
From the very beginning feminists promoted 'patriarchy theory' and played the victim, and used this to make demands for special treatment and free stuff.
And here we are today...... men have less rights than women.
Space Leopard Thats where you’re wrong, cause 5 years after she ran it became legal for women to run. So it was indeed a win for all women, not just the one she ran
Another great vid
Good on her!
Imperial Guard #28 no, I, mean yes (please don't impeach me)
Bill Clinton ¿THE Bill Clinton?!
Kylee Conrad that depends on your definition of "the".
This girl worked hard, practised, and earned whatever place she got in that race. Seems sensible to allow women willing to do the same into races.
Aaaand I see the comments is already getting weird.
I love some of the random facts that you folks pull out of your hats to illuminate =)
Can you do a video on the origin of Hickory Dickory Doc and why in the world this is all about?
In humans, males are indeed physically stronger then females, but that does not have a lot to do with long distance stamina. It was silly to reject females for being too weak in a competition that does not involve that type of strength. It is also interesting that the crowd as well as other runners did not seem to care in either case. Only a select few thought this was a problem.
Jesse Sisolack there's also the difference between average strength levels and individual cases. A lot of men are weaker that the strongest female weightlifters for example.
That is indeed true, though exceptions to not disprove rules. I am sure there are some professional athletes who are stronger then me, a human male. Also though I am sure I would win a fight against most females, I am also rather sure that Ronda Rousey could kick my ass, ha.
Opening up the contest to women sends out the message that women are welcome to come and have a go at running 26 miles for fun. This would open up the very real possibility of ordinary housewives enrolling just for fun, and possibly injuring themselves, suffering exhaustion, stress fractures (1960's running shoes!), and perhaps even dying.
Remember, in the 1960's there was no awareness of fitness like there is today, no culture of jogging, no gym culture, no running/ fitness magazines etc.
The event organisers were probably terrified of the potential repercussions of women entering and becoming injured or collapsing along the way.
Men are naturally more sensible about physical activity because men are more used to physucal labour, especially in the 60's. And a man collapsing from exhaustion is far less likely to sue for damages, than a woman. And the public would not be outraged at the organisers (or even care at all), like they would if a housewife collapsed. HOW DARE THE ORGANISERS PUT WOMEN'S LIVES AT RISK! etc etc.
That is probably the main reason why they were reluctant to let women in. Plus it meant they could not pack up the event for another couple of hours.
"In humans, males are indeed physically stronger then females, but that does not have a lot to do with long distance stamina."
While this is true to some extent, women still can't compete with men in long distance running. Hence the different categories. I actually don't know of a single sport where women can openly compete with men and thus making categories unnecessary.
Gymanstics. Females dominate due to their lower center of gravity. Otherwise I would say you are correct. I remember when IPSC (competitive shooting) started with females, it was thought they would perform similarly to males because it is more about marksmanship then strength, but it turns out females are not quite as fast. Those fraction of a second that males gain pushing the pistol to the next target and firing add up over the course of the day.
"How can a woman run and give birth at the same time?"
Not an actual quote, just something I'm assuming Briggs said at the moment.
Here in Sweden women was allowed to particapte in our long distance cross-country ski race Vasaloppet (distance 90 km, 56 m)) in 1922-23, but after that banned up until 1980. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasaloppet
Jesus! She's a fast runner! I don't even always get an average pace on my bike of 9 mph and it's for a shorter distance.
High a.f and when I heard she finished in 4:20:00.00 I took a hit for women's rights
I cant believe i never heard about this amazing woman
girls need to learn more aboult the women who were brave enough to make a stand , proving that a woman can do this and was an important part of chaning the organisers mind into letting women compete at all in marathons
Plus running a marathon in around 4 hours after being attacked by that man trying to rip her number off / i can only say what a great athlete too
great video as always , fact boi , i always learn so much from your meny informative channels
(*Smh*)Women weren't allowed to run in the Boston Marathon until 1972? I find that difficult to believe since The Olympics had female runners. However, the marathon officials (wrongly) thought that women couldn't compete alongside men. Good for this woman for going against the status quo & competing in it!
Skip forward to Jasmin Paris winning the Spine Race (268 miles) in which both men and women competed and smashing the record.
How come you reposted this? I remember watching it months ago..
We did not. You may have read the article version on the site or our email newsletter maybe or someone else may have covered it on youtube? :-)
I could’ve swore I saw it myself. 🤔
seriously, I watched it as well... what the hell is happening here lol
Maybe we mentioned her in a different video?
Or maybe people are thinking of this one? czcams.com/video/3CgvArx1fZk/video.html
who wants to run for that long? NO THANKS YOU!
Gibb was a trailblazer.
inspirational
She's my freaking idol
I swear I can't ever be the first to comment. Nobody has even had time to finish the video yet, but it's great so far, lol.
fruitless endeavour mate
Your story made me wonder when the first African American was allowed to compete
Hestika kala they were never allowed not to.
Neil Anderson umm yes they were cause they’re running today lol
"Here's a story about women breaking barriers in sports"
...ends with, "BTW this man ran faster."
you go girl
Jock's story is more nuanced than is represented here, I was actually kind of surprised they didn't mention it, as Today I Found Out usually does look into often overlooked or oversimplified bits of history.
www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/who-was-that-guy-who-attacked-kathrine-switzer-50-years-ago
mojojojoplus2 thanks for providing that balance.
I am too fragile to run a marathon.
Were men from different ethnicities allowed to race back then?
Aizen Kazama yes
Macasaurus Thanks
And now Switzer has a whole land named after her!
Am Swiss, can confirm.
Geez what next? The right to vote?
Women’s Olympic ski jumping has a similar story.
My roommate, a marathon runner, _swears_ he can run 22 mph! Needless to say, I don't believe him. I don't think even Usain Bolt can run 22 mph!
A 10.00 second 100m run is 22.4 Mph average speed. Lot of people have done that.
Do you guys get all your ideas from the show Mysteries at the Museum
We explain where topic ideas come from in detail at the beginning of our How It's Made video: czcams.com/video/ok-ZX-FQeQA/video.html
I've just noticed a lot of shared topics.
Thanks for the response:)
I will add that I love toptenznet, biographics, and today I found out and I would still watch them if you said yeah my content creators love Mysteries at the Museum
Given that a lot of their topics come from people suggesting them, it's quite possible that said people see the topic elsewhere and want them to cover it. Today I Found out often digs up information other places either ignore or just don't mention.
You should do a *Today I Found Out* About the Guy who rode the English Channel in a bathtub.
4 hours 20 minutes.
Great for her I! I'm glad she could do it.
Me, I'd be lucky to even get that mile and a half. Although I probably could do it if I had to. Especially now that I take the bus and walk everywhere. Still while I could probably do it I'd probably collapse afterwards. But that's not because I'm a woman. No it's because I have severe fibromyalgia (chronic pain).
Still if I was told I couldn't do it just because I was a woman I'd probably make a good effort at it. Might even get a couple miles in.
Of course if I still had my electric wheelchair it would be easy and I'd best even the fastest runners. Well until the battery died anyway.
But it's better to time when and how much I walk instead of using that. With fibromyalgia you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning I can't overdo it without extra pain nor can I just sit around because if I don't move about or walk then it's even more pain.
I’m watching this about a day after it was posted and the top two comments are sexist :/ they wonder why women complain
Being the second slowest runner in my year at school and knowing the history of women's marathon running I decided to enter the London Marathon 20 years ago. Without training I completed the marathon in under 6 hrs (when I was 39 years old). The idea that women were to weak and fragile to complete a marathon distance as I proved (without training) was bullshit!
Didn't you do this video a few months ago?
No. We had a similar one on a woman walking though. :-)
THIS BALD MAN HAS NO IDEAS.
it is almost incredible when I hear things like " women were not allowed to .." and the year was 19xx( and in the West) . My mind does not allow me to understand how the fuck that is possible. We men were some fuck-heads and a lot of us still are.
Someone watches QI
Or the other way round. Cool either way
Weird to see this story here then on QI.
Next: The cycling tours. Still only for men.
The Cat Ate My Shoe just had to look this up. Apparently the tour de France is only for men? This can't be real
Yep. As a female cyclist, I wouldn't be able to ride these, no matter how good I am.
Also the fact that a lot of sports have shorter distances for women than men, like we just wouldn’t be able to handle running a few more metres. And what’s with so many Olympic events still being called “ladies”? We don’t call the male events “gentlemen’s “
Women's bodies are different to men's. As a woman I believe that majority of women don't want to run marathons. I certainly don't. Women should be allowed to do running and run marathons but I can also understand why people at the time were concerned about women doing marathons because it wasn't considered feminine and they were worried about the bad effects on women's bodies. That's why girls usually stop doing sports from puberty as their bodies are getting ready for motherhood. If girls do activities that could injure them easily then how will they raise children? It's biology. I can see this from both sides. I believe in women's rights as women have equal value in society but we have different roles to men.
4:42 = almost at the 420 mark in the video xD
Even if it was over by 22 minutes XD
But it wasn’t over 22 minutes. They are different to seconds. Just because you learnt a new number that meant something naughty you don’t need to go round being cool on the comment section. Go to daycare and learn some motor skills idiot
The only Simon I acknowledge is Simon from WhatCultureWrestling. Nice try.
David Just think of him as diet Simon Miller, still bald and British just half the size.
“thats fost”
How insecure were those make runners? Damn lol
A shame you didn’t cover the story of Stamatis Rovithi who did the Marathon in 1896.
The stupidity of imagining women to be more fragile than men in endurance sports is insane. Any species whose survival depends on shoving something the size of a watermelon through a small hole by sheer muscle power and taking about a day to do it -- and who relied on the most weak and fragile member of the species to do that job -- would be extinct in one generation.
Men have burst strength, women have endurance. That's how it is in almost all species. They can lift more, we can run and swim longer.
Make me a sandwich.
Sure. You want anthrax or botulism with it? :-)
"....The stupidity of imagining women to be more fragile than men in endurance sports is insane. ..."
Thing is... women have always exploited their fragility when it suits in order to opt out of dirty, dangerous, manual work and have men do it instead. There are plenty of manual labour jobs which women _could_ do but choose not to. As a result 95% of workplace deaths are men.
Most women grossly exaggerate their fragility with flimsy, delicate clothing, dainty shoes, and the mannerisms and noises of a child. In fact the behaviour of most young women in the west is designed to mimic the behaviour and emotions of a child. Wide eyes, squeals of delight, fidgety hands and arms, camp, effete poses etc.
All of this behaviour is designed to elicit a protection response in males. Women dress like royalty in restrictive and debilitating clothing and shoes which make them unstable, which also produces a protection response. That is why Royalty traditionally wear these kinds of clothing.
So it is either hypocritical to complain when men act over protective towards women, or it just demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness.
If feminists want men to stop being over protective towards women, instead of nagging at men about it they could nag at women to start wearing cargo pants, sensible shoes, and no make up and to start doing manual labour jobs, and other dirty and strenuous jobs instead of leaving them all to men.
theawecabinet ehh I’m no feminist or anything but I do people should be treated fairly and equally for the most part, and when it comes to careers I think people should just Pursue the one they want, or can be happy doing.
OMG the comment section of this vid is vile 🤦♂️
Mind boggling and shameful how openly discriminating and demeaning authorities/men-in-authority were (even for mundane things) toward women not too long ago, even in first world/civilized countries. Sadly for many countries and cultures its not much different, and the men-in-authority/patriarchal societies find all manner of ways to suppress women.
Wars started by other men ;)
+Space Leopard-- You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the voting citizens are the ones who choose if/when we go to war, but that's NOT the case. Congress makes that decision in the US. Women are ALWAYS at the forefront of any and ALL anti-war efforts, and always have been! Women see diplomacy as the preferred method of conflict resolution, it's MEN who choose to go to war.
Of course it is. We start and finish everything.
calichef1962 Drafting can hardly be called a choice, I’m a guy and I am anti Conscription for men and women, I think people took equality the wrong direction instead of giving selective service and government power, they should have advocated for it to be taken down so neither gender, no, no person had to fight for a cause they see as unjust, wrong, and immoral.
4 hours 20 mins, huh
Coincidence? I think not... 420 blaze it confirmed
Can’t believe some people still acted like Neanderthals in the 60s
Noice.
THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE TAT CAN AND WILL FIND YOUR MISSING WOMEN? IF YOU HAVE NOT WHY?????
And I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more just to be the one to walk 1000 miles to tell a sexist where to shove it.
O yes first 5 comments
Dubai let women drive so the don't run
I am not surprised people and the male runners were supportive. We are talking about white western men. The modern men. The State goverment/council is the problem. People in power who enforced those strict rules are the problem, not the people in general.
And now it's not really a thing... well it is.. but its more for a thing a person with special needs can do. and has done.. Yea! let's break down more Physical challenges in life!!!
Well humans are a sexually dimorphic species, so there is only so many things that can be equal when it comes to competition. For examples, females will always lag behind on competitive weight lifting, and males will never have as much balance for gymnastics as females on average.
uh... you already did this video, same thumbnail and everything. what gives.
Nope. :-) Perhaps you read it on the website? Or are thinking of this one? czcams.com/video/3CgvArx1fZk/video.html
Is it safe?
Great to hear stories of proper feminists and not lazy entitled wingers! Is it possible to cover emiline pankhurst if you havent already?
REAL FEMINISTS ARE SUBJECT TO MALE APPROVAL (thats all i heard)
its only my opinion luv x
Theres no such thing as a proper feminist. THIS is what feminism stands for. It doesn’t matter what all of the ”man haters” call themselves, it doesn’t make them feminists just because they say so. They’re female chauvinists. If a blonde says shes a brunette, it doesn’t make her a brunetye just because she says so.
It is heart-warming to see that men ARE actually wonderful, and most of the men wanted the women to race. It's, therefore, so sad to see feminsits pushing that one picture of the single male that tried to stop it as the status quo.
Switzer was decidedly a feminist :l
What exactly is your point?
My point is that feminists single out the ONE guy who treated the female runner poorly and refuse to talk about the majority of men who were cheering her on!
You completely missed the point of this video, congrats.
Thank you! Have a great day.
Likewise!
that's sexist!
Boo! Women boo!
1998 Both Williams Sisters beaten one after the other in two tennis games by the 203rd ranked Male player after he had played a game of golf.
That's a fairly amazing match, wouldn't you say?
fcukugimmeausername is triggered.
As I mentioned; it was a TIFO suggestion. You know this.
The fact that you're so insulted by someone choosing to take an unusual position on this subject is interesting also.
???
Can she make a sandwich while running?
Andre Caillot Can you make her money instead of commenting on CZcams?
OriLOK2 Can you make me a sammich instead of commenting on CZcams
Andre Caillot Take a page from Switzer's book and run 23 miles away from me. At least you'll finally get somewhere in life.
OriLOK2 Take a page from Julia Child's book page one. Meat cheese bread.
Andre Caillot Ooh did your mom not arrive on time? Got a bit irritable did you?
You can't even afford a sandwich so I suppose you don't have a chance with women.
This is good. A story about a woman not wining to the press or on social media about something being unfair or sexist but instead working hard to prove she is capable and breaking down some real barriers. She is not a feminist because a feminist doesn't believe in actually doing the work to fix a problem but instead wining and complaining about being a woman and about men systematically holding her down even though she puts no effort into actually climbing.
No, she IS a feminist.... You got the wrong definition.
Your understanding and view of feminists is more a caricature than anything else.
I'm a feminist, and I'm a white male. How does that compute for you?
How could you fuck this up so badly? are you 15 years old?
Curt D lol funny thing is she was a feminist.
I'm guessing you've been misinformed about feminist by anti-fems who have an axe to grind by only showing the bad but not the good.
Sad to see people who think real feminist women are not feminists cause of preconceived notions of modern ones
Alright, I'm actually getting really sick of this "it" business. Can you please stop. Every single video is "The year, it was 1966" or also the "well it" sometimes. The house? Well, it was a house. The car, it was moving. The dog, well it had fur. Come on, just say the noun and the verb. And now that I've pointed it out to your viewers, they're going to notice it like I do. It's MULTIPLE times every video.
邪児 Kronaz oh shi
I actually LIKE his syntax: it's quaint.
It's not that women shouldn't be allowed to run marathons and such - that's sexist... its just that women are more suited to other sporting endeavors such as endurance sandwich making and extreme ironing
Best laugh I've had all day. Thank you.
I nearly soiled my armor laughing at this one
Lol what? Is this some left wing thing? Or did she actually do something amazing like win?
women are left wing now?
xcvsdxvsx First, you don’t ‘win’ a marathon. Second, anytime someone pushes against something like sexism and societal oppression they have accomplished something important -whether they become well known or not.
Pretty sad that anybody who supports equality is apparently left-wing now.
What does xcvsdxvsx stand for?
MARKOUT TV Thats just the rhetoric they've been brainwashed with. As if supporting equal rights is a bad thing.
1998 Both Williams Sisters beaten one after the other in two tennis games by the 203rd ranked Male player after he had played a game of golf.
Heh. What was the point of this video?
Wow, triggered much?
Okay. I added the comment because;
1. It's interesting and something people don't know happened.
2. It was bound to get a reaction from someone like yourself
3. TIFO should do an episode on it
... I mean, obviously :)
Not defensive. It's just an interesting historical moment in Tennis that is purposefully ignored. Anyway, I posted the same thing again. You'll see the same comment below somewhere. Hang tight, let's see if we get anymore uptight, overly sensitive gits to reply.
I'm sorry, that was rude (funny, but rude).