22 Designs - Outlaw X Telemark Binding review
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2018
- This is a review of the 22 designs - Outlaw X after one month of skiing on it. Step in, downhill performance and reliability is what sets this binding appart in my mind
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Check out my little tip on how to step in: czcams.com/video/lNWRLnW4dWc/video.html
hi! awesome content! i would you ask a question about crispis boots and the outlaws..how did you adjust the boot to fit perfectly in the outlaws? i've just bought crispis boots and they don't fit perfectly, i can skiing, but i don't know if is safe or maybe can be a problem on my bindings lifespan.. greetings and thank you for your videos from the dolomites!
Rene - Overdue thanking you for this review. This helped me as I was considering NTN options. Made the switch Dec 2018 and won't go back, and I love this binding. With dusting occurring out West this week, I was watching some CZcams favorites to start thinking about this winter....can't wait. Again, great review, helped me, and I love this binding on my Liberty skis
Great Review Rene- Martin. Thanks for the honest and informative review
Thanks @Calum Stewart
8:33, I really appreciate the profile aspect as the uphill boot/binding flexes. I can freeze the screen and scrutinize how forces are being transmitted from foot, to boot, to binding, to ski, to edge, to snow. Noticed in a couple other of his videos, too.
Looking forward to hearing how well you like the Lynx binding.
I am running a 15 year old set up which was great for the time but is definitely in need of updating. These days I do all lift area skiing in western Canada. So, everything from groomers to Champagne. My old Heads/Rottefella/Three buckle T 1's are really very nice in soft snow but not so nice in heavy coastal snow and icy crust. My daughter gave me a pair of OG Blizzards and I'm considering my bindings/boot options to install on them. I defininitely don't want to "start from scratch" at the bottom of the learning curve, but that being said, I should take advantage of recent advancements to prolong my ski life. I really have no exposure to even the last 75 mm technology.(activity springs, etc.) Hell, I don't even know what "activity" is......LOL! I tried to look up the definition on the net but as far as I could see, no one has stepped up to explain. I like your videos and they are a great source of info in an area where there are fewer and fewer local sources. Cheers
Tony Stanford thanks for the comment
Rene, thank you for the review.
It has helped me to decide to switch to the Outlaw X from 75mm.
Question though.
How did you mount them in relation to skis "Suggested Mounting Line"?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
John. .
Hey John, I would mount it like an alpine set up. center boot, recommanded ski mount point. Check out this link absolutetelemark.com/mount-binding-telemar/
I see that you have Outlaws mounted on a pair of Nordica Enforcer 100 (1:30 on the video). How do you like the skis and how well matched are they to the Outlaws? Thanks!
It's not mine but... From what I've tried, I liked it a lot. Fun to ski, easy to turn kind of ski. The ski patroller that is the owner REALLY likes it. He says it is one of the best all around ski he's had in his life
Hey Rene, I am a seasoned telemarker on 75's but a new system and some reviews mentioning that many NTN set ups do not "feel" like a traditional 75 set up, gives me pause. You mention on your review that the Outlaw X performs more like a 75 vs the offerings from, Rottefella and that appeals to me.. I'd love to try out an NTN set up but alas, I don't see any available to rent around here.
@Tony Stanford Your fear is adequate and a lot of folks are not comfortable on NTN. But has I said, the Outlaw X has a more even tension building that 75mm is known for. I will had that even in 75mm, there was a big shift went active binding came around. So depending on your actual set up, the transition can be a big step up, or not so much.
Finally, from all my testing, the combo, boot, binding, creates a unique feeling on it's own. The problem seen in transitions to NTN is often not just the binding but the entire setup being changed at once. People are used to their 12 years old set up, everything is soft, small and light and they jump to bigger boots, bigger skis...
Make the change, try it! In the end, I think it's a big step forward
Hope this help
Great review tks 2 questions do you have a right and left? They look Systematix and in the front you can unlock the foot by pushing or pulling. How it is for? How do you ski? Do you have the locker pushed in when you ski so your foot is totally free or this position is only to climb up? Thank you for your advises
Local Traveller yes they are symmetrical. There is a level on the front that allows you to go from ski mode to walk mode. You have to use your pole to switch modes. If the lever if close to your foot, you are in walk mode.
absolutetelemark aa so you do not ski i walk move ok tks! Quick answer tks!!!
Thanks for the reviews they are awesome. This binding looks awesome but I'm not sure. All I do is backcountry. Do you think this would be a good choice for just backcountry? If not what would you recommend. Thanks for the videos
My choice for BC is the Meidjo. 22 design as a prototype for next season, the Lynx that looks promising too
@@Absolutetelemark Do you tour in the backcountry with your Crispi Evo WC? Or do you use a different boot for telemark touring?
Great review! I'm a NTN telemark patroller at Sugar Mountain in North Carolina. I'm currently running Rottefella NTNs and they are great. I LOVE the brakes since I'm always getting in and out to work accidents or fix fences, etc...I like the idea of the Outlaw X being a step in binding. It would seem like a way to make it even easier. I DO like the Rottefella's front closure because I KNOW I'm locked in. Do you feel like that is an issue at all with the Outlaw or is it pretty easy to tell you're in? Thanks Rene!
David Phillips there is the original Outlaw and the Outlaw X. Both are easy to tell that you are locked in. The original Outlaw step in is not as nice. If you miss, the second heel anchor stays down. You have to manually set it open again. The Outlaw X is different. If you miss your step in, the anchor comes back up. This makes it way easier to step in. Has for the brakes, for greater durability, the spring is really strong. This makes it harder to engage the toes into the front of the binding. A LOT of patrollers around me are working with the Outlaw X with brakes. They like it.
@@trudelrene-martin8176 Awesome! Thanks! Some days I would love to just "lock in" my heels when it's busy (small mtn. in the south, so not a lot of room when we have LOTS of people). How much spring pressure could be achieved? I know, kind of a weird request, but some days, it's just too busy to make tele turns and I'm just cruising up and down...
7:00 C'est ben beau comme images! Nice
Merci/Thanks
What do you think about the outlaw/crispi wc combo? I am about to get rid of my TXpros since the bellow is way to soft for me (would like some more activeness there) and since Crispi is the only ones with tech inserts on their stiffer models I'm considering the WC or regular EVO. Any thoughts - do you like the WC in powder as well or is it to stiff? - Really like your videos and page by the way!
@johan Yverborg. It's stiff, that's for sure, but I've always liked it like that. I think this is very personal. I really think that powder is no problem though. To avoid tip dive, make sure to setup the binding to a low stiffness and to have a soft(er) tip fat ski. In the end, something as got to give. Stiff boot, binding, ski is not a good combo for powder for sure. Hope this helps
Thanks for the reply - maybe I'll chicken out and get the regular EVO...
I took the plunge and got the WC - exited to hit the slopes and try it out!
You were absolutely right - evo wc is perfect - probably the best boot I have ever used! Glad I didn’t go for the regular evo!
Excellent. Glad it fits your needs
Hello, what size are your skis?
Will you test the 22 designs Lynx binding as well?
I would love too. Nothing confirmed yet
Nice, I hope you get it. Would be very interesting to compare it to the Meidjo.
Lynx looks equally good for touring, but perhaps even better going down.
How well does the brake work for patrolling? Do you struggle to get into the binding on black terrain?
@T cariano
Check out this vid czcams.com/video/lNWRLnW4dWc/video.html
Loved my hammerheads then switch to outlaw and can’t get low. Have new skis and am searching for NTN binding that gives me the same easy flex. Any ideas.
Hum, it's a great question. I think you will never get the same feeling as your 75mm set up. I my experience the Meidjo give the softest flex. But Outlaw and Meidjo have some adjustment to the tele vector tension as explained by craig dostie on earnyourturn.com - Check him out.
@@Absolutetelemark I can 2nd the flex of the M being similar to 75mm. I did an entire day in the backcountry with a Voile Switchback on one ski & the M on the other, hard to tell the difference. Not a problem skiing & climbing all day that way.
so this binding is not compatible with an AT boot like in your review with the Lynx Binding?
OK. I understand now. Thank you Rene. But I wonder is AT boots will have the same second heel dimensions.,,,
This is a Telemark Binding. Telemark is not compatible with AT boots. AT stands for Alpine Touring. Alpine stand for alpine skiing which have the heel always clipped in while skiing. Telemark is a type of turn where the heel is always free. You can do it on cross country skis or, like here, on really big resort's skis. These skis are usually used with AT setup (boots and binding). But, they can be used with a telemark binding like shown here. The Outlaw X is a telemark binding. Lynx is a Telemark binding. Both are NOT compatible with AT boots. You need a telemark boot like the Scarpa TX pro, the Crispi EVO or the Scott Voodoo NTN to ski those bindings. Hope this helps. Check out my blog post for more details: absolutetelemark.com/what-is-telemark-skiing-the-telemark-skiers-beginners-guide/
Can you lock this binding and use it as a normal alpine binding?
Braincooler1 no you cannot