Why you should AVOID the Honda Navi & Three Better Options for New Riders
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- I think the Honda Navi is a well made machine. I also think the use case for this bike is fundamentally flawed for traveling on American roads.
0:00 Preconceived Notions
1:32 What is this thing?
4:50 Flawed Use Case
8:57 Bad Influence
10:52 Questionable Hardware
12:12 Recommendations
Opinions are my own. Make wise choices based on the details of your life. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Note: At 3:37 I got the petcock positions reversed. Thanks to @grover4035 for pointing this out!
Manual page 26 to confirm.
cdn.powersports.honda.com/documentum/MWOM/ml.remawmom.2022_nva110b_english_owner_s_manual.pdf
Almost all of his arguments against the Navi are also arguments against riding any bike.
I know right actually what I thought it
I felt the same way. It was weird.
Nag nag nag🙄🤦♂️
I have a Ruckus and a Navi and they are both awesome. Geez get over it
@@Gsmurf831I also have both, and I got the Navi because of the additional power and speed. I get it shouldn't be brought on a highway...but at least you can ride with traffic on a main road. The ruckus is better for putting around your neighborhoods or backroads/country dirt roads, rather than a state highway or main road.
@@Gsmurf831 bro i daily my ruckus 100s of miles at 40-43 idk why people cap on these small bikes they are insane!
My Navi is a daily commuter. 50ish miles per day, rain or shine. It has it's flaws but it does the job. 7k on the odometer so far
But what about helmet hair?
😆😆 well played sir
I'm having a great time on my Navi. It's perfect for what I need. This video is just kinda nit picking.
I had a navi for a year and it beat my hemorrhoid up like it was Mike Tyson from Super Punchout.
No helmet…no jacket. Drive on 25 mph roads from home around town. You don’t get the point, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. This is a cycle for people who don’t want a motorcycle.
No its only for ignorant people who dont understand a motorcycle is WAY WAY better! Or a good scooter even...think actual power and ability to pace traffic...think REAL brakes! Think "not a toy"
i was at my Honda dealer yesterday may 3 / 2024. i was there in march also. There were 8 new honda navi bikes , yesterday they were all gone. these bikes are 100% excellent , i live in a heavy traffic city and have 0% problems in traffic. I also go on highways 0% problems . I'm 77 yrs old , been on bikes since i was 15. Never had an accident and I've never gone down. My navi will cruise all day at 45 mph. and I'm not at full throttle. just did a run to Mexico the other day on the highway, 50 mile.r/t from my house. these bikes are excellent. a guy on you tube had 16,000 miles on his navi in less than a year. What ever size bike you ride every rider knows the dangers. I've seen motorcycle accidents in my lifetime. You need to be 110% alert at all times. Safe rides everyone .
This review is flawed. If we go by what is said you may as well obliterate anything on 2 wheels under 200cc. Grom, Navi, Monkey, Supercub, Zuma, Buddy, etc gone, all gone. Basically if it cant do 55 mph up hill it is gone, no place for it. Yet the best selling vehicle in the world is the Super Cub…how can that be? Well, simply put there is a place for all these smaller machines that this reviewer failed to appreciate because speed and power are the main consideration for him…so other considerations are lost to him. However, the fact that these smaller units sell well and manufacturers continue to make them is proof enough this review failed to identify and understand why. I have enjoyed bikes from 50cc to 800cc, I am glad this smaller segment exists.
I got a good laugh about his college student point. That was literally me in college, and as a guy a comb was easily enough to straighten my hair out if I cared about looking decent. When you don't have a lot of money and a first little bike costs in my case 180 bucks it is a cheaper and fun way to get around. It helps that I live in the south, but hell lots of college kids take the BUS to get to places. I agree with the consensus being that these are cons for motorcycling in general. You could replace "motorcycle" with "road bicycle" and the arguments would be the same, heck there are even more people who commute on bicycles.
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Yes and what about 50cc mopeds like the Honda Ruckus? I know a guy that works with me has no drivers license at 40+ yrs old. I think it is because he was in a car accident in his late teens early 20's broke his back badly. Had multiple surgeries. He drives his Ruckus to work about 9 months out of the year. We live in city made of a series of small townships connected by one road that is top speed 35mph. He can drive from one side of township A to the other side of any of 4 bridges to township C or D which is a 20 minutes ride. Personally I would rather see him ride this! This at least keri's up with traffic. That Ruckus is way too slow at stop lights.
This is a fun little "moped". This guy keeps complaining because it's not a motorcycle.. ITS A MOPED..
This Honda would actually be way too fast for the bustling, stop-start Sois of Bangkok. Moreover, its ease of use, its economy, and its handy storage space would make it an almost ideal commuter here. I too have spent my life riding superbikes - but I would swap any of them for this machine to use when running my local errands. It's horses for courses, that's all.
Exactly. Most people I see bashing the Navi are wanting freeway speeds in a bike designed for urban centers. Look where this guy was riding! If he was in Chicago, LA, Berlin, Milan, Tokyo or the like, it would be a different story.
This bike was designed for 35 mph speed zones, not 30 mile daily commutes or city to city weekend trips.
I love my Navi, I work on it every weekend and sup it up a little more. I cruise at 55 mph at about 60mpg.
It’s a Scooter in Grom cosplay
😂🤣🤣🤣👏🏽
Modern bike for modern times one thing confused and cosplaying as another thing
Grom is a real morocycle.....disk brakes abs manual transmission and clutch WAY WAY better choice to learn on....to take a course with way more power too...similarity ends at "cute little Honda"
Not all people who buy motorcycles intend to "push it to the limit", some just want a dependable daily ride within the city.
I get the argument, but the truth is safety on a motorcycle is factually unachievable, if we are being objective, motorcycles are just inherently dangerous, no matter how much gear, or how much "safety" driving. The statistics say motorcycles are unsafe, and if you read the numbers the fastest the motorcycle the more unsafe it is statistically. I think the counter argument is that playing Russian roulette with a realiable handgun does not exactly make a real world impact on your "safety"
This video was great timing for me. I'm watching this 7 hours after it was published. I'm in a unique situation: I work in landscaping and we generally don't work on rainy days, my daily driver recently succumbed and I wanted to pick up an affordable commuter. I was eyeing the Honda Navi for a few months, waiting for a good used deal. Finally found one for $2,000 in great condition, I was ready to pull the trigger, but my boss's father told me not to get it. He said it didn't have enough power to be safe on the road, to get out of the way other vehicles in case of emergency, that it would be too small to be seen, and that it would take forever to catch up with traffic. Afterward I looked at the 0-40 mph and it's something like 14 or 15 seconds just to get up to speed!
In our state, we need a motorcycle endorsement in order to ride the Navi on public roads, so despite being intimidated by and avoidant of anything with a clutch and manual shifting, I was going to have to learn how to operate a manual bike regardless. I figured I would go for a 250cc motorcycle if I could find one. Well, while I was on lunch break with my boss, I began scrolling FB marketplace, and wouldn't you know it, not even an hour earlier, someone had listed a 92 Honda Nighthawk 750 with newer tires, brakes, oil change, lights, and more, for $1,700. I ended up picking it up and installing a new battery, and it runs like a dream. I haven't ridden it yet, but my boss's father took it for a spin later, and he said it shifts smoothly, brakes very well, runs and handles well.
I'm out of my 20s already, I'm not chasing adrenaline and I've lost a lot of my need for speed. I'm just looking to ride to and from work at the speed limit (45mph). The Navi seemed like it would have been great for that at the first glance, and being an automatic, it felt like I could relax with it. On the other hand, the 750 sounds intimidating, it's way heavier and it's a lot of power for a new rider. But I think this is a good thing for me and the pros outweigh the cons. I've moved it around a bit and I already feel a greater sense of responsibility. It doesn't feel like a toy the way the Navi did when I went to see it at a dealer. It demands proper gear, whereas I might have skimped out had I purchased the Navi. It feels like a proper vehicle that must be handled with awareness and some respect. I suspect that I'll be more likely to stay present and tuned in while riding it because of this. I also feel that it'll be leave me more confident while I'm riding. The larger wheels will help over bumps and cracks, the heavier weight will help me stay upright during windier days, and I won't feel nervous sitting in front of traffic at a red light. I'm already growing more confident with the concept of shifting and I'm sure the MSF course and some weeks of experience riding around the neighborhood and parking lots at low speeds will prepare me for my daily commute. I still don't plan on going much faster than I would have on the Navi, but it'll take me a fraction of the time to get to that speed, and I know I won't be as much of an obstacle to avoid.
Tonight I was second guessing, wondering if I should have gotten the Navi anyway, and then I watched this video. All this to say, very grateful, this has reassured me that I made the right decision and I'm a little excited to be part of the legitimate motorcycle club.
Best comment ever! Thank you 🙏
My buddy Chris had a 92 Nighthawk. Great machine. Welcome to the club! 😁
Huh that’s crazy cause I was in your shoes with the Navi but I did pull the trigger. I’ll be it I’d probably get a scooter instead just to get higher speeds and save more on gas but as far as acceleration goes it doesn’t bother me at all. Maybe cause I’m smaller at 120lbs but even carrying two 24pk of water still makes no difference. I definitely wouldn’t be wanting a real bike though because learning about how to actually ride a lot better with an automatic. I do 12hour shifts 7days and have been for a month now. Ride it in wind speeds up to 20-25mph and gusts being 30mph. I do lose the 50mph in those conditions only getting 45mph. Would I like to accelerate faster? Sure but honestly it surprises me how respectful people are on the rode to me. They don’t mind the slow pace and rarely try to pass me. Most drivers will keep two car lengths apart. Oh and I live in a terrible city where nobody respects each other. It’s not a big city like Vegas, LA or San Francisco but the population is over 1million so idk. Most speed limits around me 45-55mph. Everyone asks me about even at lights which is kinda annoying cause at least an hour of my day goes away from talking to strangers about it 😂😂😂 not that I’d care to explain it but I’m doing deliveries so it gets in the way of that lol. Yeah I recommend them for new riders cause man all these guys with real bikes flat out have zero skills. No wonder so many people crash right away when they get a bike. Something simple as turning over 30mph most can’t even do. I’ll see other bikers straight up making turns at intersections not even able to stay in the lane they left in 😂😂😂 taking two lanes to turn is crazy to me. Haven’t had problems with being seen as that’s honestly another skill issue. Pretty sure once I delete the rev limiter and get some parts for the transmission the main concerns are gone but at 80bucks a month and 400$ for insurance all year long I don’t want to mess up with the 1year warranty. I’ll keep it stock till then. Parkings real easy too as some might say I’m a dbag but I’ll just park infront of business never blocking anyone’s way or anything but it’s either bike racks or right in front of where I can see it grabbing the food deliveries. Got my Navi for 2500$ brand new out the door at Ontario Motorsports I believe in California.
Welcome to the ride, when I purchased my Navi I made sure to get full gear before even trying to play with it.
For me it’s the absolute perfect ride, for anyone who isn’t in areas with low speed limits I would go for a 300 personally but I am not looking for adrenaline shots I’m looking to go to work and home to see my wife, daughter and dog.
@@theopticsarehigh I appreciate your perspective. Well thought out. Ride safe!
I don’t know why I’m watching this, I already own the Navi, I ride to work everyday and I’m already about to put a new clutch, exhaust and weights in. I only need to go 50-55 comfortably, the speed limit here is 50 so people just go around me if they want to speed.
I paid around 2200 after taxes and registration/insurance and then 500 on protective gear and another 900 on mods so I can totally agree this bike isn’t for everyone but she’s mine, she’s paid off and she gets me to my paycheck.
I had this same mentality when starting my business and now it’s very successful and I have 2 paid off vehicles a truck and a Prius with brand new equipment and a trailer. Never spend more than you need to get the job done. Good job
Needed a second vehicle to ride to work so my wife could have the car to pick up the kids from school. The navi is perfect. I had a klr 650 back in the day and I had a Softail for a few years so not it's not my first bike. I like it it does everything I need it do.
I can see your point as a purely practical transportation option. (And two wheels is usually more fun than 4.) :D
One of my team members commutes on a Navi and he loves it. He's not a young novice rider and he's "too big" for it at well over 6ft tall. It has all the weaknesses and none of the advantages compared to pretty much anything else and still... he just loves the experience. Sometimes fun isn't logical.
Well said. Agreed on fun. So weird how that works sometimes.
I get the points but I think looking at this from a motorcyclist standpoint is only halfway correct. 1800 bucks for an ICE vehicle for transportion is really tourgh to beat, especially with where inflation is on even the cheapest of rust bucket car. Everything about this thing screams scooter to me. I wouldn't buy this thing thinking fun times, I would think this is for people who don't want to or can't afford to invest in the cost and maintanence of a car but need to get around a bit quicker / more legal than an ebike.
I would think of this is just as how I think of a scooter but nicer looking (imo).
Most people don't get scooters for fun (I understand there are some communites around them) but they generally get them as a tool to facilitate travel with minimal upfront and ongoing costs.
Back right after graduating high school, with work and school in a city this would have been amazing. My montlhy bus pass was $90/mo and I still didn't have the freedom to move around when and where I wanted to on my own schedule and without being cramped with all those other people. My brain didn't even think of a scooter back then but a Navi or a scooter would have been PERFECT!
Just my two copper.
Depends on where you live I guess. In India they were launched in 2016 and discontinued in 2020 because people bought traditional scooters over these. Since they provided better utility.
@@hop-skip-ouch8798 I agree with the location bit. I think I remember in one of Honda's press conferences they said its their best selling india production bike.
Not sure if it will catch on big here in the US ever. I'd be interested to see what the US sell numbers are for scooters ...
Good additional perspective. $90 per month for a bus pass would definitely have me considering this as an option.
@@Trotter13 Thing is, Indian two wheeler market is full of 100 to 150 cc bikes and scooters. So the competition is massive in the price and performance range. Plus traditional scooters have that added benefit of the floor space to haul stuff which people like a lot here. If those options aren't available in the US, I can see this working out.
I doubt it will catch on here. I've lived in both Chicago and Memphis and the number of scooters you see is tiny compared to how many people could actually make use of them.
Maybe it will do better than scooters because it doesn't look like normal scooters but not by much I don't think.
I think this will get looks from motorcyclists who are new or looking for another toy but the people that could really use it won't.
Most people in the US don't use motorcycles or scooters for transportation even in climates that would make sense. I was guilty of this too, it just never occurred to me when I was broke to get a scooter ...
Glad I found this as I'm currently in the market for either a Navi or a Ruckus, since they will be ridden locally around Europe. Great information!
My navi is my daily commuter, shes been the perfect ride for the past year and I have 10,500 miles on it. Ive never planned on modding it and still wont and the fact that its quiet is why i like it so much.
I love my Navi!!! It’s exactly what I need it to be and very easy to work on / mod. Your points are definitely valid as well… Just gotta know what you are investing in.
It's a lovely machine. Glad you're enjoying it!
Dude this bike is awesome 😎😎😎 i love this machine this video is totally off
Sounds like a dangerous bike on streets with a 45 limit. I better get an r1.
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or pure genius. Either way, I love it. Well played sir. 😆😆
The worldwide sales success would be making your review look bad. You just have to understand what purpose it was created for.
It's a fun lil thing but if you "need" a real bike it's not for you!
THATS WHY ITS CALLED 1ST TIMER BIKERS(BEGINNERS)
I bought it because i wanted a mini twist and go...i agree its more of a scooter. Its great for what it is! I have a full size fast motorcycle. Its not your primary source of motorcycling. It is lots of fun!
Good thought. I use the Navi around the neighborhood quite a bit. What's your big bike?
I had a honda S90 in 1965. Rode the wheels off it . Rode mini bikes, 50cc monkey bike, honda 7O. In 1977 a Honda 750 Four. In 1979 Moto Guzzi cop, Eldorado, with hardbags , runner boards and Batwing fairing in Dallas traffic rain or shine to work every day.two up with wife all over Texas. Rode an FA50 moped to work at UT. Rode a suzuki 500 to work ..Rode a Boulevard 850 all the time for a while. Belonged to Biker’s against Child Abuse. Loved dirt bikes etc. Trials events… wanna sell me a Navi to ride in neighborhood or to work in traffic ? Twist and go? I’m older than you and i’d be a buyer…just sayin!🥳 crazy genes!😂Don’t let radiation fade yer jeans bro! This little twist and go may just be the best thing since Honda came to the USA for the teen and older market! You can take that to the bank and get change!😂 i still like watching people on motorbikes!
I agree with this review, I wonder how many people will end up getting injured or killed while riding a Navi. That is why I would not recommend it under most circumstances either.
I prefer not to be blood guilty.
Well, that's 14 minutes of my life i can't get back
I had a Victory Jackpot and it was a great bike. I bought a Navi to put behind my motorhome. I love it and it's a fun little bike to fill a void. There are hundreds of Mini moto fans that love this bike. You have to be an informed buyer and know what you are getting.
Agreed - Hoping this video will help set expectations for a few people. Thanks for the additional perspective!
Its a great emergency bike to have when you're stuck in Traffic and a Comet is about to hit the Ocean and your only chance to get up that hill and avoid that Tsunami is a tiny Bike.
How do you feel about the grom?
Solid machine. I would rather have a Royal Enfield Hunter 350 for the money though.
Ya thousands more the XR150L dual sport is the next step up . And just 1 thousand more + + just saying. My 250lb 65+yrs. top speed on the XR150L is 66mph. tucked and trying to draft a bus accidently redirected on to a major highway. I am sure my fellow traveler's though I was on a much bigger motorcycle than a 150cc.
And thanks to the almost empty bus lane and polished drafting techniques with a huge smile on my face have accomplished another checkmark on my bucket list . Signed Wile E Coyote
rocket specialist.
look into campuses where a lot of students esp. on the west coast use scooters. uc berkeley, standord, ucla - many students use scooters within 3 miles of campus, no more than 40mph.
Fair point. I will fully admit I'd have trouble relating to the typical Stanford undergrad.
@@advmike well if you consider for any college student, a decent bike is about $800-1000, an electric bike is easily $2k, $1800 for something different than a scooter is a steal. Minimum wage at fast food places in CA pay $20/hr. Easily affordable in a couple months at a part time job.
Tell me he did not just recommend a Royal Enfield against a Honda
Great video. I hear a lot of people say buy the grom instead of the navi and I completely agree well I recommend get the 5 speed grom. I thought about buying this bike a lot. I'm so glad I didn't. You better off buying ebike or grom or a even 125cc and up fuel injected scooter.
The trouble I have with the Grom is the value for $$. It's roughly the same price as machines with much more capability. But I do agree the smaller size of the Grom might be less intimidating to brand new riders.
Personally, I own a Navi and a Suzuki Boulevard S50 which has 50HP 808cc motor, and I find the Navi more enjoyable to ride around town.
I understand your argument but I'd disagree with your statement. It's a cheaper grom that's also a scooter. This machine is for someone who's just starting to ride or for someone who is trying to upgrade from the little bike that they had to a slightly bigger one. Just from me I have/had a CT90. I take all the precautions and MORE because it's still a little bike. I don't know what model you have or if it's REALLY worn down but the brakes are pretty good. You're making it sound like you'd rather drag your feet across the ground or cup the wind to slow it down.
In summary, the Navi is an alright bike as long as you're more attentive.
So most city traffic is limited to 40mph and under in Canada and I think most US cities are as well so the Navi , can get to 40 reasonably quickly and so warned the first 20 feet will put you in harm's way in with cross traffic runners , so look first !
I always pretend that traffic around me is trying to get me or is absolutely blind riding any of my motorcycles , the bright yellow GL1800 is as eye catching as a yellow bus , I installed a hight watt LED headlight on the Navi , so I now look more like an aircraft landing
And Navi go-fast parts are so cheap some are almost free mods . So in conclusion if you need more bike or speed for cheap thats the Honda XR150L and in development on Big bore kits are close to a release date . Giving this close to 20 wheel horse power . Possibly 90 mph. for only but the very brave I believe and short periods of time at that . Signed. Wile E Coyote rocket specialists . Lol .
I read a comment saying imagine all drivers are clinically insane 😂😂😂 in all fairness a good 10% while another 80% are either stupid or ignorant.
as a college student, yes it is incredibly efficient for me. Parking at my university is ridiculous and I have been driving it for two years to my classes rain or shine and just lock it up to bike rack. Its perfect for intercity riding. Rarely do I need to even go its top speed.
Sounds like someone bought a Navi and is disappointed. Honda brought these into usa as entry level.
Valid points . I’ve had my Navi as my only vehicle for almost a year now and I’m 52 with years of experience riding . It’s serving its purpose but lacks everywhere lol .
I’d prefer the Adv 160 in hindsight
Also the stock tires are death rubber in the rain … I still haven’t swapped mine as of yet.
In Southeast Asia, this thing would sell like HOTCAKES. It's cheaper and easier to ride than a honda grom, which is a very, very popular motorcycle here in Laos. There's also no chain, which is wonderful for a dusty place like Southeast Asia.
Cyclist ride on 55mph roads every day and only pedaling between 10mph to 25mph.
i already have the gear because i ride an E-bike, ive been looking at the navi to kinda get into riding a "motorcycle". something entry level and fun. its a small bike and something i will need to learn to ride on so i can get used to riding a motorcycle
Okay honestly I want to get a Honda cl500 and a car later this year I’ve never ridden a motorcycle but I think this would be good to have I can pay it off faster and get my car no problem what are your thoughts
I love that you’re thinking about how to stay out of debt. I’m not sure what your financial or logistics situation is so it’s hard for me to answer.
Buying a new motorcycle (this one or any other) is probably a bad idea because of the dealer fees. You’d be much better off (money wise) to find something used.
I highly recommend taking the beginner MSF course to see if you like riding motorcycles. It can be pretty daunting with all the gear and safety and uncomfortable riding weather. Not to mention the extra $400+ you’ll need to spend on good riding gear.
My best guess: You’ll be better off financially to find a good used car that you can payoff quickly (or save up and pay cash for). And that will be safer and more comfortable.
Motorcycles will always be there. And they’re a lot more fun to ride when you’re not paying interest. 😁
I think they should have made it with a wet clutch , chain drive , 5 gears , like the ct 110 was in the 1980’s.
It's perfect for around the town use. Swap the tires out for decent ones (as you should any new bike) and its good to go. Some basic modifications will get it to 60mph. To each their own, though.
These things were released way back in 2016 in India and discontinued in 2020. They couldn't compete with the existing scooters, even those sold by Honda themselves. Anyone who wanted the convenience and utility of a scooter went for the traditional ones. And the rest bought bikes. It existed in an enthusiast grey zone of quirky two wheeler and was eventually discontinued.
Enthusiast grey zone - nicely put
If I didn't need a motorcycle license to ride this I would sooo buy one. I daily a Ebike.
I just bought one of these for myself. There are definitely some things that a new rider may not be prepared for either, if they buy this and think it's an easy machine to ride. It technically is. But if you've never ridden a motorcycle before, and it's been years since you rode a bicycle, you have to be really careful. Especially because, while this is a slow bike at speed, it's shockingly punchy from 0-30. It's a small bike that is pretty unforgiving in terms of if your balance is spotty. Add that and poor throttle control together, and you really can lose control of the bike pretty easily.
Get a cruiser for $2-$3k or a duke 200 or ninja 250 instead. Save some more money and just go get a used full size 400-600.
These alternatives are all manual
did you sale it ill buy it lol use it on our group rides lol
I bought one to ride to work to save miles on my Street Bob. Just out of warranty at around 4800 miles, something hit the spark plug inside the motor. Have no idea because I consider it a through away bike at this point. Not in the mood to rebuild a 110. My 87 VT700c still runs, but a brand-new bike is trash. Disappointed in Honda with this bike.
Brother man, it sure seems like you dispise this vehicle based on hypotheticals. I went to college in the midwest. I bought 2 bikes in college before I bought a car and rode the majority of the year.
I will say the Navi might not be a great choice for America, but I rode one in Guatemala and it was an awesome choice there.
Agree completely on foreign markets. It's the combination of American roads & drivers with the mindset of "just a fun little bike" that concerns me most. I really like the machine. I just think it *could encourage bad habits. Was I too harsh?
best city or town commuter ive found cheap on gas easy to ride shifting on a bike gets old in town and brakes are great for what how its powered
I went from wanting a Navi, to a Grom, to buying a Ninja 400 and Im glad i did 😂
Smart choice 😁
no! this bike is aimed for short commutes, and as a 2nd, 3rd etc. bike to keep around for short fun rides
I’m confused, what this video for?
I been daily driving a honda ruckus for 8 months 2000 miles on it I only use it primarily in city and don't ever really feel underpowered unless it's a big hill, but ruckus is only 49 cc so for me a 110cc navi would be better by far, I plan on getting a navi for my mom and daughter for city, iam getting a adv 160 and eventually suzuki dr650
My main objections with my honda navi is most major roads connecting cities around me are 55+ miles its dangerous cause im forced to go around or take the bike lane to be safer its no bad just american streets are too fast
Thank God I bought it before it was discontinued in india
If you take all the plastic off, you will see it is actually an underbone scooter that identifies as a motorcycle.
It's not sold in europe where there's plenty of market for scooters and groms. I suspect it has to do with its safety, perhaps the weak brakes, and I wouldn't advise anyone to buy it.
But I disagree with your logic around gear, traffic safety and the use for underpowered machines.
I've never heard such a roundabout way to justify a bigger motorcycle by pinpointing exactly what is most dangerous about them. Lack of gear, overconfidence, overspeed, american SUV and truck riddled streets, lack of practice and poor car drivers.
You just convinced people to buy a car.
And I wouldn't end with "buy a 350". Whoever is considering this gizmo is likely divided between a scooter, a chinese grom, and this thing. At least send them on a 125 ffs
You gave me something to think about. I'm not familiar with the European market. Do you think the Grom is a good value?
@@advmikeI'll rant for you then lol, sorry in advance. Maybe you can track a few good ideas for your videos.
In 2023, europe bought 2.5 million motorcycles, 5 times more than the USA. Nothing like India or China tho.
In europe we have a "scaled" licence. A1 is a 125cc or 11kw (16 yo), A2 is up to 35kw (18yo). Full license only at 24yo, unless you've had an A2 license for 2 years, changing it to 20 yo minimum. Basically, many of us rode 125cc at some point. And driving licences in general are not the same as in USA. Seeing kids taught by their parents on tv is Lovecraftian horror stuff, no wonder you don't want to ride a 125.
I don't know how it is there, but to give you a sense of the comunity here, I live in a major city of a small country, and every sunday morning a few thousand of all kinds of motorcycles congregate by the riverside, sports and cruisers alike. There's no reason for it besides checking each others' rides with a walk, compare di*k size, and some to drink a few beers or a coffee. Maybe it's the same in USA? I don't want to sound like an ass, I simply never heard of it!
Considering its purpose, a copy is cheaper and similar, like the Vortex ZS 125 and the TNT 125, a superlight if you're into cruisers, the list goes on. They're about half the price of a grom, I think. I see them by the bucket load, and not just kids. They're meant to be replaced in 2 years anyway. Because of our market, I won't say the grom is "good value" unless you want something to keep for very long and custom away. Then yeah, absolutely, it's a punky, well planned, and fun bike.
(Edit to correct licence numbers)
I'm surprised it had drum brakes on the front. I would think anything above 50cc's would do best to have disc brakes.
Yeah, they're pretty squishy. But I understand how it could save cost, especially if they already had the parts in the bin.
@@advmike Honda puts drum brakes on pretty much all their small displacement scooters. The Navi is pretty much a small scooter. I have a Kymco Agility 50 (small scooter) and it has a hydraulic disc up front. I also have a 1990 Honda Elite E (basically a spree in Elite panels) And it's drums front and rear. Even the Ruckus and Metropolitan have drum brakes. It's the one criticism people have. Drums are fine on a 50cc scooter, but the Navi really needs a front disc from the factory. They're pretty good bikes if you modify them, but to sell it for less than the cost as a brand new Honda Ruckus, they had to make compromises. I agree, it's not for everyone.
My 300L is the easiest bike to ride and one of the best for beginners.
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I’ve gotten hurt more on my 110f pit bike. 😆
Pit bikes are the king of shenanigans 😆
I just want you to know there are riders out there who want to make it home to their wife and children and are paying attention. Safety is first, if my town wasn’t such a low speed town I wouldn’t have bought this bike.
kinda of a scooter vibe but hey if you just want to put around town i think just my opinion i would go another direction something little bigger
Me parece mas una moto para el trabajo.. dado su bajo mantenimiento y consumo 80km/l. Creo que estarias pidiento demasiado por $1800, comparado por ejemplo con esa bicicleta electrica de $ 1300 que tiene una vida util mucho menor a una motocicleta, creo que es mejor.. saludos!
10:20 you should change your perspectives...everyone has an ideal of what a "real bike" is . but going 35+mph without gear is reckless...
I really hate to give bad remarks on peoples videos but I mean all your arguments are really dull points. They are basically arguments against riding motorcycles. This is the perfect machine for around the city and it's not my first motorcycle I actually scaled down from a 600cc. I highly recommend this for people to get started and whet their pallet. It teaches fundamentals and I can really see people choosing a larger scooter later on rather than a motorcycle having fallen in love with a twist and go. Whatever gets more people on 2 wheels and making the industry cater to new riders is a win.
I can appreciate your perspective. Thanks for the engagement. Seems like we could have a healthy conversation about the pros and cons. 👍
I love my little Navi... take it to work when it isnt raining. And its fun. And its a scooter 100
So the ruckus is just as bad unless you ride on side of road with some flashers or something idk ,
Think what he's saying is get like a dual sport 200cc or more like a dr200 or tw200 atleast do 50 55
I hope you sell it soon so you won’t be angry anymore
im just going to use it for a pit bike at the race track
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If they sell at the price they sold in india, everyone would have a navi.
I’m sorry but all your arguments about helmet hair, cold weather, rain, people not being attentive to you. Those are all arguments you can use against real motorcycles. Your argument points are so flawed.
I have10k miles on my navi.... nothing but smiles.
Just say it's not for you. I ride but my wife doesnt. This is an approachable mini moto for her where I can walk her through the basics of learning how to ride without being on a moped. It also doesn't put her in a situation where she feels pressured around other people like in a msf course. It'll give her something to putt around on with me and once she's ready, I can pur her on my Grom. Side note, all mopeds should be treated the same way as motorcycles, this included. There are mopeds that run a 650cc motor that could easily get you killed by other drivers. I get what you're saying but just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's not for everyone else. You said it youreslf, it's a quality product. Treating this thing without proper respect is the rider's mentality, not the manufacturer's responsibility. Also, e-bikes have their own set of problems. Comparing the two when the markets aren't the same just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying you are wrong because from where you are in life, it totally makes sense. I'm simply saying this wasn't made for someone like you and that's okay. I appreciate your thoughts and I really do think you've done a good job of highlighting some of the shortfalls. Ride on and atay safe my friend.
Its not a motorcycle, it's not a scooter
It's Scootercycle!
I love mine it's the 7th honda I've owned
It's 109cc of fun.
Truly if you dont like it dont ride it.
You sound like one of those guys....
Don't they come in shoe sizes, buy one for each foot? 😁😁
😆 Power skates!
You got the petcock positions exactly wrong.
Good catch. I'll pin a comment on this. Thanks!
Mistaken objective of the bike by ADV Mike. Serves intended purpose excellent, especially at the price.
16K views. Under 200 likes.
Coming from a non owner.
You're expecting too much from a moto thats $2,000. Used about $1,500. These are made to commute around town. 8 miles give or take.
Anyways good luck on all your future endeavors
The brakes scare and if you need to spend $2K on it to turn it into a good bike-why bother? Get a Pappio, Grom, Monkey, Royal Enfield. I was just at a Honda dealership and I can't even fit on the Giorno scooter-my legs are too high and long restricting the turning radius. I'm soured on e-bikes-had 2 bad ones in last 2 yrs. I did have a great motorino e-scooter.
This is basically the cheapest new bike. So low expectations is expected. Also your first bike is not your last.
This is a bike for people who live in cities.
What a terrible bike...absolutely right...terrible investment.... @advmike I will take your Navi for 500 bucks...cash in hand! I don't want you to be so unsafe out there my friend!
So generous! 😆
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These bikes are not $1,800.00 the dealers will screw you royally . my 2022 o.t.d. $3,200.00
90% of your cons for the bike are cons for any bike.
Absolute rubbish, it is a cheap, very easy to ride motorcycle, ideal for suburb living and commuting. .
Its not Bike at all .. Look up Honda Activa scooter .Which they change body panel so it look like Bike ..
10:31 The whole reason you made this video. Honda never said ride without gear. Honda never said it was safer than a motorcycle. You're just projecting. People die going 25mph on a motorcycle or bicycle for that matter; I guess that's your next video "Why you should avoid bicycles because you'd look/feel silly wearing gear!".
I have been riding for 13 years and I wear full gear driving to the convenience store 3 blocks away on my scooter in Florida heat. Get a grip dude.
Sounds like you didn’t know what you was buying maybe you should’ve done some research
In California you cannot buy one for less then 2500 with 5k miles
Jonesboro cycles in Arkansas they sale everything at msrp+150 period
@@lildebbie8550 lol
You sound like a yamaha guy. 😊
Look like u don’t need a bike cause u negative on everything about Navi but also you got one lol make dat make sense
This equals the same dangers of the Honda metropolitan no moe , no less . “Just looks” more BEEFY
Gear is a dead issue. Nomatter what u ride u will be buying gear. And helmet... na not needed. If you hit a car or a car hits u... u probably dead
I don't understand these motorcycle riders man... at this point save the long video and just say buy a car.
We don't have money to spend on a Royal Enfield.
I dont car3
Is made for 3rd world countries to move around town not for the North America highways.
This guy only wants anything 1000cc and over probably to compensate for having small wee wee!!