BMW CE04: The Motorbike Of The Future Is Here... A Little Too Soon
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Jack takes a ride on the CE04, BMW's space age maxi moped and quickly finds it to be one of, if not the best commuter vehicles ever made. But with its daunting price tag, is this bike simply too far ahead of its time to be a success?
00:00 Intro
2:34 Blissful silence
3:44 Surprising handling
4:30 Exterior details
5:50 Hefty weight
6:59 Big storage!
7:38 Cockpit review
10:42 The biggest issue
11:33 Shades of i3
12:30 Game changer?
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Hi all, small correction needed: the bike is 231kg not 321kg. Unless you've had a really, really big lunch. Apologies for the booboo - we've sent Jack to bed with no dinner!
that did seem a little tubby 😁...great video as usual! Any chance of a Verge TS review at some point please? - my dream futuristic ride 🙌
@@Robbo_547 Ask and you shall receive: czcams.com/video/a7oTg6XJsnk/video.htmlsi=a0xaReF7ymSKTkuJ
How much does it weigh when fully discharged :P ?
Auto focus!? Seriously?
Loosing focus in a fixed shot and then leaving that in in the final edit is unacceptable 😔
I like it, but a real bike, like any Zero, is way better.
Did Jack really say that BMW are charging extra for ABS... And the bike starts at £13k. They can jog on for that price.
Sounds pretty much on brand for the FCS, the e-bike camper-canoe was €18k too 😅
It's the 'lean sensitive' traction control/ABS that is optional. Still a very expensive scooter.
@@lagmonster7789
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's as if these outfits believe we'll be so anxious to go green we won't bother about the cost.
For £18k a person could fly "anywhere" and rent a bike and kit and enjoy biking holidays for quite a few years.
Everyone knows the asking price for these contraptions is way, way too much.
I suppose people could wait for the bikes to appear on the secondhand market ... and then offer a few hundred quid, take it or leave it.
Some might say much like secondhand battery EVs with a dubious provenance relating to batteries.
As in how long the car lasts before it burns to the ground.
As it certainly could.
I have to say I have high hopes for Robert's hydrogen epiphany.
Such a shame he didn't invite Yasmin to be a guest ages ago.
Still, what's done is done and now we can look forward to his platforms gallivanting about on the sunlit uplands of modern lithium free technology.
A slow withdrawal from battery EVs and we'll soon be gazing at Jack and Imogen extolling the virtues of hydrogen transport and everything else.
Watching Imogen on the topic of British designed steel reduction techniques using hydrogen will be a joy to behold.
Happy days are here again!
BMW (and a lot of other manufacturers) are really bad at this. Everything is an optional extra, it's so annoying.. "oh.. you wanted wheels with your motorbike?.. that's an additional £2k"
I wouldn't mind it as much if the bike was really cheap to start with, and then you can add the extras you need. But at £14k for a scooter, it should be fully specc'ed.
Yes, Robvdh87 is correct. Some form of ABS is compulsory for all new motorcycles and scooters above 125cc or the electric equivalent (11kW).
I have one. A CE-04 that is.
A white, futuristic ex-demo, 2022 version from a franchised BMW dealer - 380 miles for under £8k.
Oh, and Jack - IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A MOPED! (Maxi or otherwise)
It's a 400cc equivalent motorcycle and scooter - but judged by my experience now, and with well over 1000 miles of my time in the saddle (in just 3 months) is that it rides far more like a big motorcycle. I have a few of those too. I have been riding bikes since I was 8 years old (trials) and then raced bikes (and classic cars) both on circuit, road racing and have continued with trials. Serious competition ended in my late 40's after a big "off" following an engine seizure during practice for the Manx GP, but I still love my bikes.
I'm now 60, but can't see me ever not riding something...
In short, the CE-04 is an immensely practical bike, a hoot to ride. and is the bike I usually "go to" - only because it is such fun and just so easy in everything it does.
Mine has the dynamic pack and the quick charge - so a 70 mile run out and then a return is easily doable with a short coffee/pint/charge break at the end point - or two quick 10-20 minute charge stops during the journey. I carry the type 2 charge cable and the 3-pin UK plug charger with me in the helmet storage locker - and with a lot of fiddling can get my lid, gloves and both cables in there together - but when stopped, I am usually using one of the cables, so it's not an issue.
Charging it somewhere really isn't any hassle, and actually when riding and exploring - it has led to some interesting stops and meeting some really nice people.
Mine came with the full "Tron" sticker pack and orange highlights - so it nearly always draws a crowd of curious folks to it.
It's not a bike for the shy or introverts!
I have even had the odd pint bought for me and once an extension lead and a fantastic pub lunch provided free by an interested publican in the Yorkshire dales..
Speed wise - even in ECO or ROAD mode - it's quick, very quick - up to 60 mph. With no gears, it is electronically limited by the motor RPM to 80 mph, although on a non-windy day on a flat smooth road I have seen 85mph for a bit. That speed (over 70 mph) if sustained, hammers range though - maybe knocking 20 miles off (down to 60 miles) if you blasted everywhere at that speed. It is not a big distance or motorway bike - unless you have time to spare.
It's sweet spot is twisty A roads, and anything that's a B road or C class road. On the latter, it's probably as fast and as fun as anything else on two wheels.
It does need an A1 licence (although I have had my full licence since 1980 - wow, typing that just made me feel so very OLD) - and the acceleration (especially in DYNAMIC mode) is a good reason why it needs a bit of experience...
It's blisteringly fast. Yes, it's possibly faster than many bigger superbikes up to 60mph, and in any case, they have to be trying to keep up.
I can't convey adequately in words just quite how rapid this bike is..... Instant 100% torque and no gears does help that, and all in relative silence.
Fabulous brakes with great feel, full traction control and on-lean ABS keeps everything just about in check and although ground clearance is good - it always feels like you could push it harder, and that it just wants to go. Fast.
I reckon my licence points tally may rise unless I am not very careful. It is all too easy to be going very quickly indeed.
So is an identical new one worth £13,995? - well on paper, NO.
BUT.... having now lived with one a bit, my heart now says different.
Also, it is INCREDIBLY well made, with everything just working well, and ergonomically, it is really good.
If you are over 6'1" get the "Comfort seat II" - as the shorter (before the lump) comfort seat is more restrictive for the taller rider. The Bluetooth integration, phone charging (with fan!) works well and allows good on-screen navigation and spoken instructions should you want or need that. You can even answer/make phone calls on the move if you need to. Tyre pressure monitoring and a host of other useful features (even down to automatic SOS calling) make this a real "Christmas Tree" of modern/futuristic features on a bike - controlled clearly using a 10.5" TFT screen and the BMW rotary control ring - all a bit alien for someone well used to the basics of a Laverda 750 SFC and an old Ducati 900 MHR.🤣
BMW spared absolutely NO expense in this concept development of an electric two-wheeled rocket ship - just like a Star Wars hover bike or a Tron bike. It shows.
I reckon the margins on these bikes must have been almost marginal if not negative over the production run so far.
I also think it may turn out to be a really important bike in the evolution of electric transport - and I am sure BMW learned a lot doing it.
It's design is a bit "Marmite" and it's not for everyone - but it is different.
I guess a good parallel in the car world is the BMW i3 - a fantastic aluminium "skateboard" base with a Carbon Fibre body and plastic panels, and again as quick as heck but without the weight of all the modern EV's now have... (and yes, I also have an i3S).
If you have never ridden a CE-04 - do find somewhere to go and try it and be prepared to be blown away.
If nothing else it's an experience, to be enjoyed, but be warned - that silent and very rapid acceleration is extremely addictive....
STATEMENT: I have no affiliation with any BMW organisation whatsoever - but am just an old (but quick) bike rider who isn't afraid to break the mold.
5k off the RRP? That's a useful piece of info for when I (somewhat inevitably) pay my local BMW dealership a visit. I also had an i3S & loved it. The only reason I rolled it on was range (my circumstances changed). I can easily see me loving this wee thing, though....
@@HedgeCCL you can build a better bike than this get an 85cc frame makes a 144 battery, how is it better? this this is slower, less torque maybe if you want to sit and look rich but nah I just cant stand it,
@@HedgeCCL I understand buying it retail to flip to someone else who sees value in it, but as a product I see it as a scam
I have one! It is the perfect daily companion. I drive 100km a day without needing to charge. (Lots of 100 km/h stretches) pure Joy to ride!
Do you have some sort of box on the back to put your groceries etc?
@@Tommiart yes. i have the vario topcase. in combination with the integrated stotage it is enough for the weekly grocery shopping (for 3 people).
So the equivalent of 1 gallon of fuel then
Yes I am sure it’s great for your needs and looks great but I love my smart car at least I turn up at destination dry and with my hair not messed up by a helmet.
How long have you been using it?
I've had mine for just about 1.5 years now and still love it. It is my go-to mode of transportation around Hollywood. I added a Givi mount and topcase. Expensive perhaps, but to me, totally worth it. Also, the options mentioned in the video are standard here in the US
A very Hollywood way of getting around, may I say!
I'm from Germany and also have one since March '22.
Also for me it's the greatest fun to drive, even with having had 12 ICE bikes (50-1000cc) before.
You're brave to use this in the US with the absolute behemoth vehicles on road there. Not to mention the high amount of fatal car crashes.
@@aye3678 Behemoth vehicles? The most popular cars here are mid-sized SUVs like a RAV 4. I guess that is massive compared to a Mini. Anyway, I have over 45 years of riding in the US, nearly a million miles, and have never been down once, other than dirt bike riding. The biggest issue here are intersections where most crashes happen. I prefer the roundabouts in other parts of the world, but I just remain defensive and safe as possible. No bravery really since I've been at it since the age of 15. Riding is like walking to me. :)
@@Techridr Thank you for taking the time to reply. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed with the fact that you've been riding for 45 years and without being down once. Oh and btw the kind of vehicles I was talking about are like Ford F250's, Hummers, RAM trucks (RAM1500), Cybertrucks, Chevy Silverado etc.
To be fair, Harley Davidson have had the Livewire available for quite a number of years now. (speaking of legacy manufacturers)
True but they've dropped the Harley name in a recent re-brand.
@@douglaskinloch6272 They did, yeah. It's been spun off (no pun intended) into a new company "Livewire" and is now less expensive.
Yeah they've been unlikely frontrunners as far as the legacy brands. Looking to borrow a Livewire soon!
Zero, NIU, vMoto, and Silence already have more models. This video is extremely biased. BMW clearly paid good money to get positive comments and push this bike.
@@miguelmoreton226so the comment not many legacy brands have electric motorcycles is accurate- Zero isn’t a legacy brand nor the others mentioned. BMW and Harley (although HD have set up Livewire as a separate brand now) are the only actual higher capacity type ev bikes.
I always wished for a quiet motorbike because as much as I enjoyed riding one, it was always an incredibly heavenly relief when I finally reached a destination and switched the engine off and it was silent.
You are supposed to ride ON the motorcycle, not behind it! 😂
I know exactly what you mean. An electric motorbike is so much nicer for that. I've been helping my dad test one he is converting to electric, and it is so peaceful to ride.
the thing I fear is inattentive drivers, say what you will about loud bikes, it's a lot harder to miss one than a dead quiet bike.
@@kosmokat111 With the soundproofing on modern cars that argument has lost a lot of its punch.
@@capnkirk5528 So true. I was thinking the same thing. Loud bikes used to be safer, but not anymore. Half the people have a soundproof car, and then their music is turned up louder than any bike. Reflective, bright colored bikes and clothing offer far more safety than any amount of noise. And the noise is a two edged sword, because then you can't hear anything important over your bike. So it causes more harm than good now.
I have had one for a year as my main form of transport. Its a phenominal bike and i have no complaints. I'd love to see more range and ccs fast charging support on the next version and thats about it.
Also - with the long wheel base, its power and size i think its more of a cruiser than anything.
Yes, I think the slow charging as well as the short range really limit this otherwise excellent vehicle.
I'm sure the next version will go further or charge faster - and cost a bit less!
@@FFVoyagertbh the range is totally adequate, depending on conditions: I live on a very mountainous island, driving a Honda 150cc scooter. Even though it uses nearly 0 gas downhill, it's very thirsty uphill - this BMW thanks to regen would have the same range, at higher power and torque, while incurring much less wear and tear on its brakes
@@1samm1 🙄 if you don't ever go further than 39 miles from home, of course the range is adequate.
I have a 28kWh Ioniq that many people imagine can't possibly be 'usable' as they imagine the range is inadequate. But it can be charged fast - I can stop and recharge to 80% in 15 minutes.
My point stands - the next BMW powered two wheeler will be better because it will suit more people by going further, charging faster and costing less.
I get consistently about 100km range, and that is sufficient for my daily driving. But the scooter is so fun to drive, so I would love to be able to go on longer trips with my petrol bike friends😄
Jack should have mentioned that the previous model, the BMW Cevolution Plus, had 50% more battery, and therefore range, than the CE04! I'm very sceptical about that '80 mile' range though because I only got 80 miles out of a Cevo with a good mixture of town, suburban and country - not hanging about, obvs!
If you want to see one of those out in the wild, come to Paris. They are dethroning the MP3s at the moment.
I loved my Harley for the way it would frighten old ladies and small dogs, but traded it in for this. When I park in town more, people come to chat than they did with the Harley (unlike all the Beemers I had before - no one noticed them). I find the reverse very useful as I can move down the whole length of my drive without having to 'paddle' it out. My wife hurt her back and we tried loads of scooters but this was the only one she could get on easily. Yes very expensive, but I got my fully-loaded one, used, at a great price with the Harley trade-in. I put a backrest on and it is more comfortable 2 up - otherwise my arms are almost pulled out of their sockets with the amazing low speed acceleration. Free fuel from my panels - I think I can claim its fusion powered.
All of a sudden I want one, you know to keep my i3 company 😃
It weighs 231kg ... NOT 321kg ... 🤦♂
Thanks. I was thinking 700lbs? My God!
I thought that sounded incredibly heavy :D
@@pendragon6207 in fairness it is still extremely heavy for a scooter ... it's only 7 kg less than my 1089cc Honda NT1100 touring bike!!
My comment is not just regarding this video it is about Jack and others really not being very professional as journalist / vloggers just using any old term.
@@MotoGoato Oh yeah for sure, it's a hefty bike, but it's about the same as most bigger bikes. Now 321 kg on the other hand would've been absolutely massive for any bike not named Goldwing ^^
What on earth was that guff at the beginning about "the only legacy brand doing electric"? I mean, even those absolute gasoline heads in the USA with the most iconic brand in motorcycles anywhere has been aboard for a while - Harley Davidson's Livewire, for example. Sure, a lot of them are more like electric scooters or mopeds right now, including the BMW you're trialing here, and that includes Honda (of course) and even the other major US brand, Indian. However, both Kawasaki and Triumph have some seriously big and powerful looking eBikes to cast an eye over. Or how about the Ducati MotoE, a 170MPH beast of a bike?
Come on, Jack. You can (and should) do much, much better than that. We trust Fully Charged to help us keep up with all the latest, so getting facts like that so utterly wrong isn't just a bit misleading, but reputation damaging. Harley, Ducati, Triumph and Kawasaki are hardly unknowns in the motorcycling world.
Ducati and Triumph don't actually have a bike you can buy, it should be noted. Yamaha and Honda do though. Albeit tiddlers.
To be fair to Jack he did say 'big bikes'. He accepts that the main manufacturers have got little electrics for sale but I think he's quite right about the bigger bikes.
In the UK it's only Harley (from the legacy manufacturers) that I can buy a 'big' electric bike from.
Triumph have got one 'coming soon', Ducati took over from Energica as the sole provider of MotoE bikes, but there's no road version yet.
Kawasaki has the Ninja E-1 and the Z-E1 but looking at the tech specs it looks like they're really just scooter motors wearing a Ninja's faring :D but thanks for mentioning Kawasaki I hadn't realised they'd put out a couple of bikes.
@@SpottedCreeper and don't forget Zero.
@@SpottedCreeper it is interesting that you brought that up. After all, what is being reviewed here is not, itself, what any biker would truly call a bike, let alone a big bike, but rather is a big scooter. It takes more than engine power alone to turn a scooter into a 'proper' motorcycle - the wheel size and body here definitely make this thing more of a touring scooter. It is just as fair to compare it to other scooters that are smaller, as to 'big bikes' which it isn't really one of.
I agree with you that, right now, the only real choice for a proper bike from a legacy brand is the Harley - though I really really hope Triumph will change that. However, is legacy such a big deal when it comes to a non-legacy power system? There's some really awesome 'proper' electric bikes out there from brands which may well become the 'legacy' of future generations.
Ich habe meinen nun seit 2 Jahren und möchte ihn nicht mehr missen. Voll ausgestattete Version. Ich liebe meinen Scooter. Grüße aus Deutschland
In London it will be “Gone in Six seconds“
Laughing but also crying
Would it really be? How does that work if it requires a fob to start? Do thieves dead lift it then hack its ignition system? Is there a big CE04 parts black market? Genuinely curious if any have been or would be stolen and how?
@@Winter-zv1dv Good points. Has one of these been successfully nicked other than by physically lifting it onto a truck?
Good luck trying to pick it up...
@@Winter-zv1dv
In London a knife gets you the key.
It looks like one person designed the front while another designed the back and they never spoke to each other.
Hilarious😂
Please do follow ups with customers of the vehicles you promote. I got a silence S01 connect based on your review. Been having a nightmare getting issues fixed. And the manufacturer has just put the alarm behind a pay wall braking consumer law.
What kind of issues have you had?
Agreed, Silence take a huge long time to send parts
@@dorianleakey front forks went rusty in first year. Took three months for replacements. The blue tooth stopped working, known fault. Still not fix months after reporting. Odometer has a fault, shows the wrong milage. Known fault still not fix. And the company just put the alarm behind a pay wall so now I have to pay monthly for something I've already paid for. Avoid silence at all costs.
Sold my 599 and bought a fat tire e-bike after moving into a city. Don't regret it at all when the speed limit ais40k max.
I have one and to the date of this comment, has been using it for 10 months since Sept 23 in Kuala Lumpur, and traveled 12,000 kms with it. There are times I tried riding 190km with it, but mine is the normal version / non quick charge so I have to wait 2-3hrs to resume journey. So far enjoying it as day to day commute. My constant worry is not the charging, but rear signal placement where it might prone to accident from fellow bikers, be it at parking, or clumsiness of other people. that is pretty pricey and a lot of people bought signal protector just to ensure it is bit solid.
I love mine😍 Commute to work and love to pass the cars in cue. My only dislike is the range. Plenty for my daily driving, but the bike is so fun to ride, so I would love to go on longer trips…
I was a bit disappointed there wasn’t any electric motorbikes/scooters at the show in Harrogate this year.
Silence had their scooter there but no test rides.
I’m hoping next year that we have some bikes there!
Saying that, I did enjoy the show. It was well organised.
Thank you for reviewing motorcycles. We do want to see these. Like many have said, this is a scooter, not a moped. I wonder when the last moped was sold in the UK.
Depending on whether you go from the DVLA definition of "moped" (e.g. 45km/h top speed) or not...
48.2 kmh actually but just the difference between Ooo and Ahhh as the actress said to the bishop.
@@georgewalker7061 When moped speed restrictions first came in, back in 1977, the limit was 30mph. But it's been 28mph (45km/h) ever since we aligned with the EU regs over 20 years ago!
As someone that actually had and rode mopeds when 16 year old back before 1977 I know about the 30 mph speed limit. It is nice to be taught how to suck eggs by people who know how to Google.
Mopeds we're reclassified in 1977 and an e- moped class added later, they're still very popular. The last one was sold at close of trading today.
I absolutely hate the awful noise from Motorbikes/Mopeds/Scooters and really look forward for electric ones becoming more popular. Electric Mopeds really seem to catch on where I live, highly appreciated!
It’s been out for a couple of years now , and if I could afford one I’d get it straight away , I’ve been riding motorbikes for 53 years and I think the bike is brilliant. I live on an island our motorway ( ahem 😂😂) is 500 metres long and this bike will do 74 mph and I’ve never been over 60 officer . If you did you’d be in the sea anyway 😂😂 . 80 miles max on a charge , that’s over twice round the island , I don’t go abroad to the mainland anymore 🤪🤪 great bike , reverse gear bring it on 👍👍
Sheppey? Must be, surely only Sheppeyites go abroad when they leave the island.😂
If your island is anything like the one I live on, which is plenty steep, high mountains, then regen and torque outside high RPM might even help you to get more range than a regular small engine gas scooter with its little gas tank
@@judebrown4103 used to live in Kent , but now retired home to? The Isle of Wight 😊👍👍
@@tonybarton3746aww that was my second guess but I convinced myself it must be Sheppey! Used to live there and holiday on the Isle of Wight. Now back in rural Kent among the orchards and hop fields. 👍
I see! Much better value used
What range does it have? What speed can it do? Did I miss those stats in the video?
80 miles WLTP
You might have missed those stats but as an owner I can enlighten you:
1) Although the stated range is 130km, I routinely get between 115 and 120 with an average consumption of 6.2KWh/100km.
2) The top speed is electronically limited to 128km/h.
@@AlasdairMcLellan I'm amazed you get that range, unless it's nearly all in urban areas.
Seattle BMW had one as a loaner. 47F degrees out. Level 2 charged to 47 miles. Eek. Fun run around. It’s heavy and why it has a reverse button
Love to see you guys try out an Energica, the UK distributer is very youtube channel friendly.
And to echo some other peoples comments, BMW aren't the first legacy manufacturer to join the party, Harley have been doing it for years, made some actually good bikes, and are keeping at it in a way other manufacturers don't seem willing to.
I own one and I love it! Only cons are the rear lights which are fragile, maps integration via the app in the smartphone which needs pairing and leaving the phone open, and charging will not restart if the charges pauses, which can happen when balancing load or in chargers with the option to charge only with excess solar production.
Well now you’ve done it. One more thing that I really want. Oddly it’s about the same number of US dollars $13K as it is GBP’s. So it’s effectively 25% cheaper in the States.
1. This is not a moped, it's a scooter,
2. You are not supposed to ride anything all day long,
3. There many excellent scooters for less than half the price that have more range, more storage, are more comfortable, and don't have shirt buttons for wheels 🤣
But they never reaches this fun to drive.
(Have had several scooters from 125 to 650cc myself, and have tested all of them, up to 800cc Gilera GP800).
Agree . . a moped has pedals, this BMW has none hence its a scooter. Perhaps lazy application of nomenclature has allowed some to call any small scooter a moped, but that's inconsistent with mo-ped.
@@Romiman1 My Beverly 400s is plenty fun while being super practical, comfy and economical, plus it's got that Italian flare that the BMW lacks. It's a scooter after all, not a street bike
@@theodorev666 Clearly, the CE 04 has no itlalian flair. It never was supposed for.
But it has plenty of its own futuristic flair...
@@zsedcify Mopeds haven't had pedals since the 1970s! The official definition is maximum 49cc (or electric equivalent) with a max speed of 28mph (45kph).
That actually looks pretty cool. I just had a quick look on Autotrader and there are a couple of them for under £7k. There's even an ex-demo, 23 reg, for under £8k at a BMW dealership. At those prices it is much more palatable. Hopefully we can see more bikes on the channel.
Bea•u•ti•ful. Well done BMW. Even for a premium brand, BMW should offer the CEO4 at a lower price point. We desperately need emobility alternatives to noisy, smelly 2-wheel urban commuters. Other than the price, I love it. This from a supporter and founder's series Metacycle owner. Actually, just sold my Metacycle and am replacing it with a used Zero S. I wasn't aware that you were a rider, Jack. Really good on-the-go review.
It feels like a successor of the BMW C1. It was also quite expensive, outstanding and exotic. Still would like to have one.
Ironically, and sadly, BMW developed an electric C1 prototype back in 2009. Then, inexplicably they dropped the 'safer two-wheeler' idea altogether and started again from scratch with the C-evolution, which was launched more than a decade ago. This CE04 is a successor to the Cevo and it has a smaller battery and therefore less range, yet costs about the same! Also, both the Cevo and the CE04 were/are available in A1 licence version, so could be ridden on L-plates with just a one day CBT. Another key point that Jack failed to mention!
I'm still going to get this, despite the price
Can you get me one, despite the price?
@@dorianleakey Sorry mate, the allocation only allows for one major poor financial decision
I salute you.
Really? Well in that case let me introduce you to my friend, he’s from Nigeria and needs to move some money……..
I’m looking at used and they are dropping to a better price, took a fully loaded 2022 with 3,800 miles that is up for £7,500
Prices for the Yamaha TMAX Tech Max start at £14K, so there’s a precedent for that price point in the maxi scooter market.
The T max has a higher top speed, more comfort, a far far longer range, greater luggage capacity and will cruise at 70+ for a couple of hundred miles before refuelling . A Honda Forza 350 does all this thing does and more for less than half the price. It would need to be about 60-70% cheaper to sell.
@@sergentcolon1 True, although the BMW would beat the TMAX on acceleration and anything over 80mph is immaterial really anyway. However, my point was people will spend that sort of money on a scooter. People are buying the Maeving which is outperformed by a 125cc, for twice the price. And there are plenty of well-off younger tech types who would choose this cool urban electric over an ICE equivalent. And there are 39 of them for sale of Autotrader, vs 36 TMAX. I think they’ve been selling just fine.
@@GingerPiston see how far it will go at 70mph and in winter though. The fact that there are more of them for sale secondhand says to me that possibly more owners are holding on to their Tmax’s. The maxi scooter market has never been particularly big in the U.K. anyway and I think this model will be dropped fairly soon.
@@sergentcolon1 who cares, these are mainly used as urban runarounds. And you’re probably right about it being dropped as they have the CE02 on the way. But I’d certainly consider a 2nd hand one for zipping around London.
@@sergentcolon1 it seems awfully foolish to take any scooter in the winter, or at 70mph, or both
I have one too, for almost 10 months now, done 10.000 km's. My experience is 85km range max. Of which 20km motorway. I do a 100 km commute so I HAVE to charge at home and at work. The motorway is definitlely a battery killer. I changed my GS for one of these, and I have to admit, that's a big step down in most aspects, but also in the cash departement. I keep around 250€ in the pocket a month, so that's a big plus. Which to me justifies the salesprice. But there are obvious downsides. The biggest difference is that this is a scooter, and it does NOT ride like motorcycle, mainly because you got nothing between the legs to toss it around. But I enjoy riding it, it's the largest scooter out there (I'm 1m89) and it's comfortable. (did exchange the screen for a larger one).
It's the smart choice for commuting, it is not a replacement for leisure motorcycle rides if you ask me. It is ahead of it's time, but not quite there yet.
Oh...and my Schuberth M1 (open face) size 60 does not fit in the storage compartement, so a top box is a must have add-on for me.
Excellent, well presented, balanced review. Looking forward to more two wheeled editions! The more reviews, the more interest and the more legacy motorcycle companies will see the point in spending money developing the best form of transport. Would also love to see some vids on the technology for motorcycles being developed and the unique challenges motorcycles pose to electrification.
Apart from the factual errors and mis-descriptions!
Just to be clear for the young people. "Mo-ped" is a contraction of the words motor & pedals. A "mo-ped" is a vehicle that has a motor and pedals for propulsion. Also, the difference between a scooter and a motorcycle is the position of your legs while riding. On a scooter, your legs are in front of you like sitting in a chair. On a motorcycle, you must straddle the bike when riding. It's like straddling a horse when riding.
I think legally a moped is anything 50cc and scooter is above 50cc
Not since 1977
That was the original definition when the japanese just added pedals to their 50cc small motorcycles to get round the law.
We still call them mopeds but the EU law redefined it to 50cc and a maximum speed of 28 mph(45km). The requirement for pedals was discontinued. Scooters used to be small wheeled vehicles with a legshield but since then they are all just 2 wheeled vehicles as there is no legal definition of a scooter v a small motorcycle even if it has small wheels. General description is still a scooter though.
I'm already looking forward to a review of BMW's CE 02 model, which would be affordable to more people. And open to more people when it comes to driver license (depending which country you are living in).
The CE 02 is not much cheaper. Starts at £7,450
@@QuietContender I'd say £5,000 less is a lot cheaper, not that the CE02 has any appeal for me. I'd rather have an expensive electric bicycle!
Im just under 25Tkms on mine use it daily and in winter, great bike
I live near to the bmw motobike factory and drove one for decades. Now the traffic jams and the lack of parking space even for bikes are the biggest daily problem. Only a folding bike makes my day easier by using public transport and allowing the use in forests or parks.
The back wheel looks like it’s from a mk 2 escort popular😆😆
Was giving me 2CV vibes
can you review the Meaving RM1s
Motorbikes are one of the loudest things on the road so I am happy with this direction. Less noise = More Better.
Did not know I needed biker daddy Jack until now, but here we are.
This is meant to be equal to a 400cc scooter... NOT a moped. Sadly this is so far too expensive, that it is even too much compared to new superbike. Then it's real world range is so limited than I couldn't commute into London and home on one single charge. As a first attempt it is an expensive fail..!!
Similar things were said of the Nissan Leaf. Motorbikes are yet to catch up with cars, but it will get there.
It's not even their first attempt. The C-Evolution has been about since 2014.
Cheaper than the S1000RR (just)
Fast, a moped? Aren't mopeds limited to 30 mph anymore? Why call it a moped when it's obviously a maxi scooter.
The definition of moped is changing. Probably because a lot of people think of 🛴when you say scooter.
In other countries it could be called moped. The names for motorollers are quite varried across European countries.
moped is a pretty vague name, but there is 4 different categories for motorized 2 wheel vehicles
L1e or 50cc equivalent which is limited to 4kW and 30mph/45kmh
L3e or 125cc equivalent which is limited to 11kW (but only continuous power is limited, that's why some zero motorcycles are 125cc but with 45kW peak...) the CE04 is in this category
A2 or 600cc equivalent which is limited to 35kW
A1 which has no limitation
depending on the contry L1e and L3e can be driven younger and with an easier and quicker license to pass
and A2 is for the first years of having a motorcycle license
@@Nagby3 there is nothing vague about the term moped. It stands for MOtor+PEDal. That’s very specific. If it doesn’t have pedals it’s not a moped. Even if it falls into the moped laws it’s still just a slow scooter.
@@KennyCutout the definition of a moped will never change. People just incorrectly call scooters mopeds now because some slow scooters fall under some place’s moped laws. That doesn’t make it a moped though. Just a slow scooter.
I'm surprised and impressed that Jack doesnt look like he's riding a preschooler's balance bike on this thing. It seems a very decent size.
You asked for suggestions for future reviews. I'd like to see reviews of the best electric motorcycle/scooter in 2 classes. 1. The best machine for a city delivery rider. It must have finance terms (PCP, hire etc.) that make monthly payments + monthly electricity bill less than the same for a petrol scooter or small bike. 2. The best for moderate distance touring. At the moment that is my Energica Experia, but others may come along.
Less than £7K on autotrader... fancy one at that price!
Woof!
That's impressive: I am suddenly VERY tempted!
That's *exactly* the right price for them. I'd buy one tomorrow for £7k, except I already have a Zero, which is way better :P
Why did they spend all that effort on styling and then add that front screen that looks like I made it on a Sunday afternoon in my shed! 😂
Love the review... From my BMW i3
saw it in life. looks awesome!
Thanks for the video. Have you seen the Maeving RM1S? The opposite extreme with the styling, very retro.
Sadly both the RM1S and CE04 retail for more than I am keen to spend on an electric bike currently.
Crazy prize, but can't wait to see them in used market, if i needed one!
My thoughts exactly.
They have been around for a couple of years - there are several on the 'used' market.
I'm sure the dealers will be looking forward to your call as the things hang around in the showrooms so long they could be used by the Ordenence Survey as triangulation points. 🤣
They're on the market with very low mileage for about £7,000.
@@ziggarillo they are - but they don't seem to be shifting!
(Use the Autotrader price tracker add-on for Chrome and see the hit the dealers are taking! 😮)
I first believed that the CE04 was in another level from the S01
but then watching the everything electric video about the S01 with praises about the fit and finish, build quality, and stability at high speed
That's when I understood that he is mostly easy on compliments
I own a S01, and the build quality is worst than on the chinese moped I had before
but it's not why I chose it, the removable battery and storage volume is, and those are lacking in the CE04
and turning radius is pretty amazing for the S01 (you can do a 180° within the width of a city lane) not sure about the BMW
I had a BMW CEvolution. Purchased in Sacramento and shipped up here to Seattle. It preceded the C04.
Is that back wheel stolen from my wheelbarrow?
No option for rear storage box?
You can get either a box from BMW (expensive, kills the space for a pillion) or Givi as far as I know.
Well, prices certainly went up. I got my 2023 model for AUD20k, which is about GBP8k, and that was with all of the optonal extras!
Thank you thank you thank you for reporting about electric on two wheels! Looking forward to more.
Its NOT A MOPED!
Yup mopeds have pedals.
Yep, it's obviously a scooter.
@@GManWrites31hp 75mph, is definitely not a moped.
@@ziggarillo Little moped.
He calls it variously a moped, scooter, maxi scooter and motorcycle… while completely ignoring the Zero range (widely available for a decade), plus claiming that this is the only offering from legacy brands (Livewire anyone?). Hmmmm.
321kg? Wow. I'll stick with my electric 125 thanks, less than 1/3 the weight, less than 1/3 the cost - sure, it's not a rolls royce of anything but it's a commuter vehicle, it's not supposed to be!
edit: Think that's been a mistake though, most sources including BMW list it as 231kg not 321kg. Still heavy but not insane.
In Paris, you'll see 10 of these scooters within 5 minutes. It's funny that there is such a difference with London...
It's to do with the licensing difference, I believe. I suspect most of those Parisian CE04s are restricted to 11kW or '125-equivalent'. In France you can ride a 125 at 16, in UK you have to be 17, but you can also drive a car at 17 whereas you have to be 18 to drive a car in France. Also, I believe you can ride a 125 with just a car licence in France, or maybe just a simple theory test, whereas in the UK you have to spend a whole day doing Compulsory Basic Training (CBT), which includes actual riding on the road with an instructor. N'est-ce pas?
You should give the guys at green mopeds in London a call, they have loads of mopeds and scooters you could review.
Why is the bike in front of you at 1:59 edited in :D
I thought i was the only one who noticed the shaky video
8:05 Jack, that's a standard kill switch, not an ignition. All motorcycles have this in case of emergency.
BMW integrates the ignition in with the kill switch. Have a look at the markings on it. It's both kill switch and ignition rocker switch in one
@@JoshuaMcTackett didn't know that about BMW. I only noticed the kill switch images. Thanks!
@@JoshuaMcTackett Honda do the same. Ignition and kill switch in one.
My Yamaha MT-03 also has this. I honestly don't get why you wouldn't put the two together.
Segway E300SE beats the Silence S01 for; price, speed, acceleration, tech, build quality, range, app functionality…..and arguably also the BMW based on affordability.
Love to see you test the ce02 parkour!
I don’t like 🤷🏼♀️for that price !!!
"finest mode of Urban transport ever made... if you lined up every vehicle ever made snd drove each across London I'm not sure you'll find anything that got you there faster" - I'll 1 up you the Elizabeth Line vehicles. Comes with air conditioning as standard too, and keeps you dry in the rain ;p Is there an AC package for the motorbike?
All motorbikes come with AC, just unzip your jacket 6 inches! (This isn't a motorcycle BTW, it's a scooter.)
I saw this bike awhile ago and I think it's pretty cool. It would be perfect where I live at.
Very cool! It looks like it's almost crossing over into the full bike territory?
Oh dear. No comfy seat! What an omission ! Great vid btw (as usual)
Apparently there are other seat options that are more plush. I don't know which one they have in the video though.
For the love of whatever you hold holy, stop calling it a moped. Mopeds cannot exceed 28mph. I have a moped licence. I do not have a motorcycle licence. Mopeds and motorcycles are different things. Apart from that… If BMW could double the range, it might have more credibility.
Agreed - especially as it's a legal term with implications (car drivers automatically allowed to drive them with at most 1 CBT, tyre condition requirements reduced...)
Thank you for this.
It looks sick. Would be great with a large rear basket for long trips or shopping.
That range for that price... 😅🤣😂
I wouldn't honestly want that much more. 100 miles would be great, but 70 miles is a long way on a scooter, even a fancy one!
I'm from Sri Lanka 😊
Great to see coverage of an electric 'motorbike'
Last summer I was in Paris for a week, those things were flying around all over the place.
Mopeds have pedals. This is a scooter. Moped stands for MOtor+PEDal.
Mopeds haven't had pedals for a very long time, that's an old definition. Little 50cc scooters that go 30mph are mopeds.
@@timscott3027 mopeds definitely still have pedals. People have just been incorrectly calling scooters mopeds for a very long time as if the two words are interchangeable. They’re not.
@@timscott3027 a 50cc scooter is just that. A scooter. What makes that bike a moped? It’s not one. It’s just a slow scooter. Would you call a 50cc moped a scooter?
@@craigcampbell1843 most mopeds do not have pedals in the U.K. and haven’t for decades. The classification of moped is down to a sub 50cc or equivalent engine capacity and a max speed of 45kmh, it does not require pedals able to propel it as it did prior to 1977. I had an R reg Yamaha FS1e which had pedals that could be unlocked and notionally used to propel it ( in reality they were there to achieve the moped classification) it could do 50mph and was the last reg year that those rules applied to. It can also be a scooter or a motorcycle style, so a scooter and a moped can be the same thing. I am not aware of any step through pedal assisted old style mopeds on the U.K. market though there may be in other countries.
@@sergentcolon1 you don’t have eBikes in the UK? Weird.
The word "moped", is literally a portmanteau of the words "motor" and "pedaler". As far as I'm concerned - If it doesn't have pedals, then you're just being a bit silly when calling it a moped. I know the naming trend is not new, but face it... It's a motorbike. Put it next to something called a motorbike, and spot the important differences 🤷♂
These things are all over Paris. Sharp looking machines!
I rode one for 50kms. It was a lot of FUN. If it was 1/2 the price and twice the range I would buy one. They should sell with an integrated top box big enough for 2 helmets and use the space under the seat for a 2nd battery. Riding one, you are always suffering from range enxiety. With a quoted range of 130km, you couldn't ride it to the last cm, so realistically your usable range would be around 110km max. And that's on LEVEL ground, no hills! The regenerative braking is handy but at 20% efficiency, don't expect huge benefits. So if you can't charge up at the other end, you have a range of max 110km ROUND TRIP! Really?
After riding this I went a and bought a BMW C400GT Ion. Half the price, with a range of 350km and ability to refuel at any petrol station. Still has heated grips and heated seat, too! And it is a lot of fun to ride. I love it. (ps: My other bike is a BMW R1200RT and I still love riding the scooter too. Just sayin'). The C400GT Ion has ABS, traction control, TFT screen with navigation, lockable glove boxes (2), USB and 12Vdc in one of them. Only 2 things I would love to have: reverse crawling gear and a parking brake.
I ride BMW Motorbikes and this is a big No from me. ……….
That's fascinating.
I ride BMW motorbikes and this is a big Yes from me.
How very constructive of you! ...seriously, what was even the point of your "comment"?
@@joehodgson2815 So much better to raise a point of view than no point of view ……..
Why are you doing this? What's the point? Would you ride other mopeds?
At least in Ireland problem was with the price. The manufacturer set price that was on a high side, but reasonable, dealers added price increase as it was too cheap next to their specked out cars.
This thing is out for a while now, and I want one since I got overtaken by one on my NIu MQi a while back. Depending on lottery I might order one tonight.
Alternatively I would like a Zero motorbike, but that is even more expensive.
E Scooter are the perfect commuter vehicle for London. No charges for ulez, congestion or parking, no strikes, no delays, and I always get a seat.
What's up with the weird bike glitch around 1:57. Really noticeable around the wheels. Was it added in post?
This thing gives me Cyberpunk vibes. Looking to get it as addition to my BMW i3 and F800GS ❤
Well might be expensive but this IS the perfect commuter vehicle especially into the big cities where there is a ton of traffic. Instead of sitting in a more expensive car doing 20 miles max for 1-2hours in rush hour i would rather invest my cash in this one. i HATE driving a car in the rush hour even though i drive an EV i still do not get anywhere.
Bikes to review: Energica Experia, maybe the Essess, Zero DFS and the Verge TS
I’m a big fan of unique designs. I love the rear wheel, however would be better if they had put a single sided fork and a matching wheel up front.
1:58 The bike starts floating around 🤣
Nice. Wish I could afford it.
Do the CE02 - now that looks fun!
0:22 I have to agree. Especially when there's a heatwave and you can turn on the AC in it , when it's lashing rain you won't get wet and when it's freezing cold you can turn on the heating /s
I think the tiny EVs are a much better mode of transport. Just because you can lane split with that and get there faster doesn't make it the best mode of transport.
You've had tiny single seater or vehicles which are one seat wide with the passenger behind the driver or even single seat vehicles which I would consider a far better choice of transport.
It’s nice, pricey and is as hard as a rock ride wise. I took one for a spin a few years ago. Nice concept bike. Ideal for a city and smooth roads. I have also ridden the Zero and one other. Solid state batteries will change the game. Triumph have a decent electric bike coming, but I suspect they don’t really want to go into production just yet.
Price aside, what a neat product. Wonder what the secondary market will be like in a year or two. Thanks for the great review!
This looks like a fantastic thing to _rent,_ in a situation where you're willing to pay over the odds for a limited period of time. Going on holiday, say. With a couple of fat panniers with your luggage this would be amazing on mountain roads or quiet rural areas.
Ok Jack, see if you can get hold of a Verge TS Pro (or Ultra) to review.