Edelgard gets her memories back - Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes
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- Edelgard gets her memories back temporarily in the Blue Lions Secret route in Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes
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Man, if only she kept her memories after the secret route, it would’ve been a great way to introduce a pseudo-golden route where she works with them temporarily to erase the influence of twsitd
Honestly rather odd that she did not. I guess the good part is that after the Game, chances that she can mentally recover are very high at least, so she is not going to be stuck as a child in a adult body.
it wouldve been cool and honestly owuld make the most sense, but the writers clearly purposely didn't do that because they didn't want to give a "golden route" to one house
@@jas8288 I hope they give it to all houses but it plays different based on the house you choose
For me a route were Byleth is not the professor cannot be golden (but I agree with you, it would have been a pseudo-golden route).
On the other hand Shez is really cool, so I would have loved a Three Houses DLC with the addition of Shez. Perhaps we need both Byleth as the professor (with the sword of the creator and all) and Shez to have a golden route where the 3 lords work together 😁
@dantefilsdesparda5161 probably would have been the best option , kinda like revelations but better wrapped up and more sacrifices happening to non main units like Rodrigue
What a nightmare Edelgard wakes up to. She learns that she's essentially been under mind control for half a year by Thales. Duke Aegir has committed many atrocities in her name to her people. She's now possibly hated by everyone. And worst is that Hubert and Ferdinand might be dead, her two biggest supporters. There might simply be no way to salvage her cause and Empire anymore. She's essentially done. And yet Edelgard STILL wants to return back to the real world, knowing that the world will not be any kinder to her there than this dimension of eternal darkness.
Honestly, Edelgard becoming essentially lobotomized is a much sadder ending for her character. I feel like she would rather die on her own terms.
That's better than what an Imperialist invader like her deserves
She was not lobotomized, her memories are fine just asleep, so she can recover them later, if she was lobotomized she wouldn't even be able to speak.
@@endoprimario7235 Yep
@@endoprimario7235 pretty sure they didnt mean it literally
I really like how Dimitri went to help Edelgard to recover her memories, Shez and claude helped too, it was nice to see that they don't try to take advantage of the situation
Well tbf Shez wouldn’t do that, this version of Claude though? Definitely a surprise
So at least she wasn't conscious of being a meat puppet. Small mercies.
Though this is essentially like talking to her ghost. (as such a bit of a missed drama potential potential/ shoehorned in to make the "talking in the void" plot point work in Azure Gleam as well)
She kept her composure rather well considering they're telling her that she's lost everything - rather painful to consider her trying to keep it together even in "death". Though, she's always had this lowkey fatalism in there somewhere.
This does bring up certain questions about the effects of her brainwashing and the conditions required for it to work. This also means her brainwashing can be removed under the right conditions as well but there are still questions involving how.
Either that, or the writers didn’t think that far… 😅
@@Chopin124 I'd like to think the writers put some thought into it considering most of the story is very well-written.
@@TheAwesomeDarkNinja it is, but then you have things like ending all 3 routes on a cliffhanger (Blue Lions is especially bad because I don’t get why the war has to continue with Edelgard and Thales both defeated)
So she gets her memories back for one chapter, then loses it again?
Through the power of lazy writing.
yeah that was kind of bad writing, to make the "the trio talks in the void" scenario work for Azure Gleam as well.
In Azure Gleam it is the hardest to recruit the Eisners (makes sense since theyre avoiding the church)
Like for me it takes away the horror. Like the mindwipe didn't LOOK reversible. like she was basically dead and all thats left is an empty puppet
This does bring up a question about how does the brainwashing work. It seems in this realm the effects of her brainwashing is not working. However, outside the realm the brainwashing effect is active.
@@orrthehunter it reminds of a movie I watched Pocketman and Cargo boy 2 (yes that’s a real movie). Where Jaden gets mind controlled by a sir long bottom and travels back in time and he temporarily broken free of the mind control then returning to the main time he falls back under the control of sir long bottom.
Soul shenanigans in Zahras. The description Epimenides gives even presents the Phantoms they are killing as based on the worst traits of the characters in question. Aka basically Persona Shadow Selves.
I'm actually kinda curious how the three lords react to Arval taking control of Shez is handled in each of the three routes, I can see Edelgard and Hubert in her route reacting with more knowledge of TWSITD they'd assume a bit of the worse, but Claude and Dimitri? Their reaction is something I am quite curious about given their lack of knowledge about Those that slither in the dark and Shez's origins.
Actuality Claude learns about TWSITD by this point in his route.
Yeah Dimitri learns about twsitd in his route aswell
And this is why I think this chapter makes no sense in AG. This, and Jeralt wanting to avoid Rhea. Honestly the secret chapter only makes sense for SB, and in a way GW
Azure Gleam is literally The Agartan Route, Even Myson mention Epiminedes and Shez is trying to know about his Past.
Makes more sense here than in Golden Wildfire.
Agreed. It also seems more fitting for Rodrigue to die again, since every other line he spouts just foreshadows his impending doom...
This is the only case where a pseudo-golden route is acceptable. Everyone working together to finally end the Agarthans and thus, their influence on the Empire and all of Fódlan. But alas, they make a decision that is… eh, but I’ll live. Better than a true golden route.
Well... Since none of the routes have a definitive ending to the war, and in most routes the lords don't die, you can always imagine them burying the hatchet eventually.
If I have a nickel for everytime Tara Platt has voiced a female elite that got screwed over in the head, I'd have... 2+ nickels
What’s the second one?
@@monsoon1303 Marida Cruz from Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn
I like the fact that claude's wyvern stays calm when there is a circle of dark magic under him
0:26 Claude: ...What do you mean, how do we know who you are? Did you lose your memories or something?
Dimitri: Edelgard, are you...alright?
Well, unlike Order 66, at least this spell had the mercy to not force her consciousness to witness her body perform such atrocities.
They cannot have a best ending for the three of them i suppose. Edelgard Stuborness, Dimitri's Might and Claude's Ambitions will always ablaze Fodlan and create a war. Damnit
Now if only she kept her memories. I would have much preferred the Hegemon fight again rather than child Edelgard and Thales. Dimitri did look cool, but I just felt bad for her. They literally invalidated every single life lost in the war up until that point by throwing Edelgard's ideals in the mud. At least we now know a bit more about how she lost her memories in the first place. This explains why there was such a big gap in her memory, and it also explains why she seems so hyperfocused on the Church. She was in part groomed by TWSITD to consider the church responsible for everything. Even though she has come to despise TWSITD they became secondary to what she thought was the greater evil.
Not giving the Church or Rhea a pass here, but TWSITD are clearly the bigger threat and should have been her primary focus.
No. Just stop. She was never groomed by TWSITD. She is not wrong about the Church. She could not have gone after TWSITD first because their might was needed to actually fight the Nabateans. Like, how do you stop a species of giant dragons that fly, shoot lasers, tank magic moabs, and can create ghost soldiers? The Empire don't even have Heroes' Relics. Three Hopes found a way for her to fight the Chirch without them, but it's completely stupid and just an excuse for a different story.
And Edelgard had to after the Church. You didn't pay attention to the game. Come on, it's been years now. For one thing, Edelgard has no problem with the faith, as the Western Church agreed with her that Rhea had to go, she literally had devout followers.
The Church is not some innocent institution. It's been ruled by an immortal dragon who is stagnating the world because of her mummy. She created the Crest system, the system that allows women to get trafficked, and little kids to be abandoned. It's her religion that causes the racism in Fodlan, don't let Shamir and Cyril fool you. The church explicitly kept human progress stagnant, outlawing non-magical advancements in medical care and the dang printing press so humanity wouldn't have control of narrative or history. Let's talk extent of harm, people! They give away Crests and Crest stones out like candy to their followers, turning them into frenzied super soldiers or horrible monsters with one roar from Rhea, making her no better than the Agarthans. The Church literally punishes any form of dissent. They responded to Lonato's rebellion with an army, the killed his son because he _might_ have been involved with a plan to kill Rhea, emphasis on _might_, they sent a group of children to kill Miklan purely to scare them into obeying the Church, and the Western Church members who pillaged was sentenced to death without a trial. Heck, Edelgard herself was sentenced without a trial. And speaking of trials, they held Christophe's trial on behalf of the Kingdom, so that shows their power. Rhea wasn’t going to let go of power so easily. She’s shady, there is an entire underground town filled with people escaping many things, among them: the church. The point is that Rhea is so set on *her* way to keep “peace” is right, she won’t listen. And there is also her goal to find a proper vessel for Sothis. Archbishop Rhea doesn’t acknowledge the harm she has done because it was to “protect Fódlan's peace.” Only does she realize she’s been making the wrong calls after she spends time away from her position of power.
TWSITD are NOT in power. They aren't the ones maintaining the status quo, at least not per say. You know who was the one maintaining the status quo tho? Rhea. She is the one who has all the order and authority in Fodlan. A lot of Fodlans issues are because of the ideas and rules she placed and because she did nothing to change it. Do the slitherers need to be destroyed? Absolutely, since if they aren't, they will find a way to sow discord and chaos into Fodlan and eventually destroy it for good. But you know what, slitherers being destroyed doesn't matter in the slightest if you don't do jack crap about the unfair system and status quo that causes people suffering. Defeating slitherers for good won't automatically remove the crest system, or the oligarchy, or the class system, or the unhealthy mindsets each of the three kingdoms have, or any other issue in Fodlan. It just means there isn't a dubstep cult to take advantage of it. And ye fighting against the church won't magically fix the world either (reformations dont exactly happen in a day). BUT it will more effective to shake the system that holds the power status quo than to fight a shadow government that uses the system for its schemes.
The more you devalue the necessity of Edelgard's war and the direness of the status quo in Fodlan the more the game becomes less of corrupt power structures preserved through class interests and tradition and more about some secret society of mole people being mean.
Just stop this narrative, ok? Edelgard was never manipulated. The Church had go. And if you felt a fraction of love for most of the students, you would understand.
Lmao, the original Crimson Flower route was so badly written they had to retroactively make Edelgard brainwashed to explain why she listened to her uncle, who locked her up in a dungeon, killed her siblings, and experimented on her, talk about "crests = evil" and think "yes, that makes perfect sense and I completely believe this man."
@@bessieburnet9816 I never said the Church was good. I agree that Rhea needs to fucking go. However, three houses shows that TWSITD is the biggest current threat to Fodlan with them being behind practically every major event in Fodlan history in some way, and they will continue to be and do so with three hopes doubling down on this. Even as they were ousted from power in this game they still came back as a threat.
So yes, Rhea needs to go but TWSITD told her clear lies which are pointed out in Three Houses to make the whole place come out as being the greater of two evils when they aren't and you bought their propaganda. Half of what you said are interpretations of events that if they happened in the real world you probably would agree with. You paid attention and then blew up events in the game that fit your narrative without looking at things from an unbiased point.
Every technology Rhea hid got people killed or worsened the lives of the people of Fodlan, and she deserves to be called out for that shit. She would never however hand out crest stones like she was a candy dispensary. This is a lie as she keeps all of them in tombstones in the Holy tomb. Edelgard did go in there and do that but on orders of whom? TWSITD. Rhea gave her blood to her followers (like Jeralt) and performed experiments with one specific one (her mothers) which is a whole different levels of effed up that Seteth should have called her out on.
When you start a rebellion in any Mideval timeline you need to expect to be killed. Christoph got a trial because his case was more ambiguous but Lonato was making it very clear what he was trying to do and wasn't trying to hide who his main target is. You could argue that to an extent his thoughts were correct (and you would be right). However, that whole even was manufactured by TWSITD to cause further unrest in the Kingdom and incite civil war. The Miklan situatino happened on request of Margrave Gautier as it was very important to get that relic back. These "kids" have already been sent out to kill bandits by this point and the game already mentions that the Church's resources are stretched thin dealing with the aftermath of Lonato's rebellion. The academy is a military training facility no matter what it tries to mask itself as, and so they are sent out but with reinforcements from the Church just in case. Rhea would not want anyone to know about Demonic Beasts as that would shake confidence in the people's trust in her religion. It makes no in game or lore sense to make this about scaring the students and is your interpretation. This chapter is meant to show how dangerous crests are both in their physical state, but also as a social concept.
And what Rhea does afterwards wanting the relic to herself further shows how little she wants humans to actually have crests. The system is a necessary evil to her not something she enjoys, and one thing I've always hated about everyone just blaming the church or heck even just blaming TWSITD is that it removes the very resposibilty of the humans themselves involved. The Empire is the one most heavily involved in the tradfficking and killing of children. All at the orders of TWSITD, but with very real humans going along with it because humans can be extremely greedy and cruel. The nobility system and the crest system it props up are all symptoms of a wider issue with humanity in general. As shown, by how these are issues that still exist today here in the real world. This is why I love Edelgard's ideals but do not like how she goes about them. She has good ideas, but her first target should have been TWSITD who are actively trying to disarm and destroy humanity. The Church can not only wait, but as Three Hopes proves, can even be an ally for her until she turns on them. The Nabateans aren't as all powerful as you say as two will flee at the first sign of trouble, and Rhea can be taken down by a large enough army. Edelgard does it. Claude does it. Heck even Dimitri probably could if he wanted to.
The main enemy that needed to be fought was TWSITD. They brainwashed Edelgard by tormenting her, casting all the blame on the Church (ignoring that is was humans and they themselves who threw her and her siblings in that hell), and rewrote their own version of history to further villinize the Church. They did this at a very young age and so why I used grooming. The status quo is dangerous. It needs to go. However, it cannot do so until both TWSITD and Rhea gtfo. The biggest threat is TWSITD. Edelgard proved in Three Hopes that if she partners with the Church she can take them down. However, instead of instigating a continent wide war she should have combed through her country to make sure TWSITD were completely dealt with and solidfied her reforms before aiming at Rhea. All it took was Thales taking control to undue everything she suffered and worked towards. Meanwhile, while Edelgard was busying reforming the Empire and doing everything that Rhea would supposedly never let her do, Rhea just stood quietly to the side not giving a damn. She is not an active threat at any point in time, and Three Houses even point this out with once NPC even mentioning how relations with the Empire had worsened, and the game itself showing that there was no church presence in the Empire. Rhea needs to go, but she can be dealt with later. Edelgard would have seen that had TWSITD not twisted things in her head when she was young and vulnerable. That was my whole point.
@@bessieburnet9816 Isn't Edelgards route in three hopes LITERALLY what happens if she goes after TWSITD first?
@@mahatajam2563 some of the information edelgard had in houses was hit or miss some truths and false info intertwined. her relationship with Those who slither was never trust she was gonna get rid of them at some point she saw the church as a bigger target towards change and they basically then worked together as any enemy of our enemy is a friend. the uncle thing she was only a child when those events happend and she came up with crests = evil herself not Thales
This honesty makes me never to join the Blue Lions again...... And I think the Blue Lions is the best route of the game and I do mean that sincerely. It's just that I HATE everything pass Arianrhod because of what happens to Edelgard. I never want to see a brain-dead Edelgard.
Oh she is absolutely not brain-dead and apparently alive and her future is ambiguous that people could freely imagine what would happen to her so don't be too worried
seriously, this has to be the worst fate possible for edelgard. idk how dimitri knows all this about her being puppeteered and he doesnt just...take her to the kingdom after they get out
@@buttery_gooch6 well the worst fate possible for her would be consciously watching her power be taken away and died knowing that her ambitions would never be fulfilled. It's not like her personality is perpetually damaged or something and we didn't know if Dimitri takes her back to the Kindom.
I think Dimitri is too kind as a person for not trying to heal Edelgard and we know that it's possible for her to recover in the special chapter. She still has the chance to fulfill her revolution, since we know that Dimitri is never against reforming the Crest system and would be willing to listen to Edelgard. once she agreed to carry out her plans with less bloody methods.
As good written as it is when you think about it blue lions is really fucked up. Especially in three houses, it’s considered a bad ending because TWSITD are still roaming around and the rigged church system is still into play
Her defeat and being spared is as close to a golden ending it gets between her and Dimitri. It's still left ambiguous because she's not killed so do they just imprison her? I doubt they would leave the emperor unguarded. And Claude is still left to his ambitions and even side-eyes Rhea like "This isn't over yet". The other endings are probably a little open-ended too.
It’s extremely open ended in Black Eagles. Still, it’s better than what this route did where it decides that defeating Edelgard and Thales isn’t enough for some dumb reason.
@@Mojo1356 I don't understand why they kept fighting the empire either but at least here they didn't destroy half of Fodlan just because some stupid kids decided the church was evil despite having no proof whatsoever. I imagine the Empire kept fighting because they didn't want to surrender. They did still have Leopold so he might have insisted on keeping the war going. I dunno but some dumb church burner will never have the best ending for me. That is one of the dumbest reasons for a character to start a war.
@@damonrichardson1999 you seriously underestimate how much of an influence the Church has over Fodlan, but that’s a can of worms I’d rather not open so agree to disagree.
Also, what? Edelgard didn’t destroy jack in this game when she wasn’t possessed by Thales- wtf are you on about? Also, you think the Edelgard started a war simply because she didn’t like the church? You don’t know anything if you think it’s that simple, especially in a game where the religion dictates a lot of what happens.
@@Mojo1356 She claims the church is "evil" where it kept the peace in a region where there are Agarthans trying to tear Fodlan apart and Edelgard knows they are trying to do it. She invades and conquers other lands just to get to the church, starts invading the kingdom because they provided asylum for the church so that their people wouldn't lose their shit over the church dying off, and she took half the alliance with her until Claude decided to buddy up because HE suddenly thinks the church is more important than the Agarthans or his idiotic marauding brothers next door. I don't think Edelgard had a good reason to start a war at all. Rhea isn't some goddamn monster and tried to keep the peace in a place where you have civil war and rebellion in the kingdom and even HELPS Edelgard to deal with her uncle, who usurped the throne as an impostor, deposed her father, and gave power to Duke Aegir who is a cowardly scumbag. I will grant that she doesn't cause as much chaos this time, but I don't want to hear some stupid bullshit claiming she was right. She wasn't. Causing a war for "change" is just fucking stupid. Causing a war because you think a church that helps people is fucking stupid. She has no proof they are bad all around, yet everyone just agrees with her that the church has to go. I don't care what moronic justification you give such a half-assed character. WTF are YOU on about, blabbering on about Edelgard having solid reasoning? She didn't, and anyone who claims she does has as little proof as she does. I refuse to believe a church that helps protect people from bandits and rogues and Agarthans in disguise are bad for Fodlan nor will I ever understand why Edelgard had to start a war over "change" despite KNOWING the Agarthans were trying to destroy Fodlan and just decided not to do anything about them first. I will never see eye to eye with you Edelgard stans because I think she is a poorly-written character, so amy argument you want to blather out will be a waste of your time. I don't care, and will never care.
I want to really call this secret route it's more like a secret chapter.. But it's half baked Because it doesn't impact the story at all.. Look for a better job with the game With choices and consequences.
Is it so hard for someone like Edelgard To regain her memories or/and Be proven wrong about her methods And realize that there are better ways?
I can imagine another what if where Byleth and Shez are thev Academy.. For example After Captain Berling Death..Shez Who was her 2nd command took Command And ordered his men to retreat while he district Byleth..Shez Was Brutally Beaten Down.. However Byleth Spare Shez Seeing that he was willing to sacrifice himself for his men and Jeralt Mercenaries missions was already fulfilled So there's no point I fighting any more.
Retcon Shez attuite: He admired Captain Berling . But resent her for prioritizing her ambitions over her own men's Lives. As a Result Shez Quickly taking action And issuing orders after the former captain's death saved the lives of Berling Mercenaries.
Keep up😁
Does this change the ending? This happens before the finale, right?
I believe it only changes the monologue for Azure Gleam's ending.
@@lexquezon9009 How so? I assume it's the same but without the implication that Claude is gonna turn on Dimitri.
I kinda hated this, in the normal ending is far worse lmao, even the Azure Moon Ending was much better. Reducing her into a helpless person yuck.
Many Edelgard fans agree with me in that regard, so dirty. No Hubie no Ferdie to be seen.
It's so fucking stupid, trashing her agency just for this.
Fr, she was done so dirty
Yas
I hate it that, while every line of dialogue was scripted in Three Houses, in Three Hopes they basically chirp a few noises here and there while you read the rest of the dialogue yourself. It completely takes me out of the immersion that Three Houses provided.
They didn't have complete voiceacting for everything in Three Houses either.
@@lpfan4491 As far as I remember, the only one not fully voiced was Byleth themselves
@@hue_tjark Byleth is voiced for at least the majority of stuff they actually said.(At least for what they said in the original japanese. The fake choices being written in first person is something Treehouse made up.)
Claude: So she doesn't remember anything?
Dimitri: Yes, everything. Including her time in Academy.
Claude: So she doesn't remember that Hot Sauna Incident that we accidentally barge in.
Dimitri: Yes...I think this is a great boon in disguise. Especially when we shall her... well you know.
Shez: You know what? Also what's this Hot Sauna incident in the Academy and why wasn't that mention to me when I was there?
Claude: Uhm nothing Shez... hoe how about talking Edelgard for her cooperation. She may forget her memories, but she is brutal with that strength of hers.
Shez: Ok..... But I still want to know about that.
*Shez leaves the boys alone.*
Claude: You and I are both taking this to the grave. No one needs to know about that incident.
Dimitri: Agreed.
If you have a Wattpad account or something I will literally read your stories one by one
Oh Goddess, no... See? Look at what thwy have to force. Look at what they have to pull out of their ass to gain some semblance of a "better ending" for them. Amnesia, please... How dare they reduce Edelgard to some helpless, amnesic puppet?! How dare they trash Edelgard's character like this just so she can have buddy time with the boy she knew once?! This is like Hegemon, but worse. At least it was just that, everything afterwards was proper Edelgard. But sure, strip Edelgard of her agency. That's the only way they'll get along.
Like, I sort of get it. Edelgard here found a way to fight the Church without much need for the Slithers (which is still bloody stupid if you ask me, there is no way the Empire's might alone is enough against the Nabateans and that's why the literal Sothis vessel was the only worthy alternative), and they want to make the whole thing with Duke Aegir wanting to use her as a political puppet mych more important in the story (which I totally support, BE is where the real plot is), _but come on!!_ Did they have to entirely strip Edelgard of her agency as a character here?!
You know what people liked so much about Edelgard in the first place? Her agency as a Character. How she took the initiative. How she started everything to change the world. How much of a great leader she was that she was beloved by her people, even in non-CF routes. How she played TWSITD, making them think she's their little puppet when she was secretly sabotaging them at any chance she got. How she made the decision herself to work with TWSITD, horrible as they are, for the greater good of her country (not that she'd have had much choice anyway, since they always intended to use her, and only their might could match the Nabateans). We liked her because she had agency, and there was no stupid, wishy washy manipulation, or her hand being forced.
But this?! Reducing her to that manipulated puppet?! Not a good look, she is the major female character in these two games! Why should the boys, who are merely side characters in her story given POV status for some reason, be allowed to keep themselves while the girl is reduced to the amnesic puppet?! The boys are ok, the the one who takes the charge herself must be a helpless amnesic that they must attend to to get them to cooperate for 5 minutes?!
God, but Azure Lions routes are so stupid, having to trash Edelgard to achieve an end goal. At least Moon ended properly. No, don't let them reconcile! Dimitri should kill her! Be a king with a backbone and end the war! (even if it's a bad ending in his hands)
Thank the lords it's a one route thing.
This was done to show what a horrible person Thalus is. They showed him as a monster and he died as one.
@@endoprimario7235 "Azure Lions routes are so stupid having to trash Edelgard"
I like how he say that When Azure Moon is The only route that properly show Edelgard's Past.
Zahras arc is so forced on every route, they should have saved it for a fourth separate route where everyone teams up against Arval and TWSITD. But Edelgard is such a stubborn jackass that the only way everyone can live is by making her an Amnesiac I guess.
She not a jackass
Oh amnesiac Edelgard was cute...
i might be wrong but im pretty sure its only this chapter she gets her memory back probably due to arvels magic messing with thales magic and after she goes back to have amnesia
She is always cute (except Hegemon...), I absolutely love her
@@deckardshaw6696 There is fanart of cute Hegemon.
@@elfmonster3082 Looool
@@asuraofwrath So, this secret route is the equivalent of an anime filler arc. Everything has to be put back in the box after it’s done.