Is Ukraine using an aircraft-imitating missile to confuse Russian defences?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Ukraine appears to have used an air-launched decoy weapon in a bid to confuse Russian air defences.
Images on social media of wreckage in the Russian-held city of Luhansk seemingly also show what appears to be the remains of an ADM-160B MALD (Miniature Air-Launched Decoy).
The job of the miniature air-launched decoy is to go in ahead of a main aerial attack and confuse enemy air defences by pretending to be an aircraft - anything from a small jet fighter to a bomber.
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Radar operators jobs just got even more difficult.
its nothing new
Russians are doing the same. So far it is Russian missiles overwhelming the Ukrainas, not the other way round.
Russia uses lots of real ammo at area targets
@@tomhenry897 Sure. And decoy too. The Patriot battery in Kiev that fired 32 missiles in 2 minutes....
@@a.brekkan4965 Correction, they are "trying" to overwhelm...
Decoy for your cruise missile
It allows you to now locate enemy radar.
Send the HARMS in
One thing you forgot to mention is there is also a warhead version of the MALD.
Could i use one of these to trick my wife and make her think I'm working instead of in the pub? 🤔
They are adding that in the later versions. Currently USA prohibits selling that version to other countries. It is very hush hush technology, you see...
From the very first feasibility studies for what became Storm Shadow, it was always assumed that it would be used in conjunction with defence suppression weapons such as Alarm or Harm.
Decoys are the obvious weapon to complement Storm Shadow. They have been using them on ballistic missile reentry vehicles for fifty years.
who has? cuz this is usa weapon & they (usa) don't use ballistic missiles?
@@bekeneel trident?
@@bekeneel literally everyone who utilizes ballistic missiles. The Soviets and the US both use decoys on their ICBM's.
@@bekeneel USA ballistic missiles have included penetration aids, including decoys, since Poseidon, along with the British nuclear deterrent.
@@bekeneel ICBM = Intercontinental *Ballistic Missile*
Great thinking and great idea.
Another nail in the coffin for Putin's cronies
They would be stupid not to use these decoys when using Storm Shadow munitions,i suspect that russian claims to have shot down Storm Shadowa are infact these Decoys.
Kind of like all the wooden “HIMARS launchers” that Russia destroyed …
kind of like when ukraine claimed to have to shot down the daggers but they were decoys. then 2 patriot batterys got permanently turned offline. decoy to bait the AD then get smashed by the real ones with actualy war heads....oh and also after burning through 150 million dollars worth of pac 3 missiles. there is video of this too so im not talking out of pocket
Kind of like 6 shot downed Kinzhal. Oh, wait…
Oh wait what?
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One shovel and one buried ukronotzee at a time. Ukraine is finished....
@@gmw3083 no, one shovwl for each of the 208.500 killed orcs, to burry them.
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West: well that's effective. Let's try another experiment 😂
These help a lot to get the storm shadows/Scalp through :) I guess you can just give them the signature of a storm shadow itself hehe. At some point russia must run out of missiles no doubt.
Problem is, how many of these decoys the US/NATO have?
I don't think we can outlast Khuilostan's SAMs stockpile, at least not in the short period.
They've been running out of missiles for quite some time now😒. Any time now I guess...
@@HTopic2024 china keeps supplying them.
ruSSia begs every day and china supplies.
@@BlutoandCo No sir. Russia has upped its production. But even if China is supplying them, so what? The west keeps supplying Ukraine.
So what? Russia shouldn’t be in Ukraine and has no right or reason to justify war and killing hundreds of thousands. Because a dictator has tricked Russians into thinking they are free, when in fact Russians can’t oppose Putins views, can’t vote for someone else, can’t leave the country, must fight in any war no matter what.
Glorious Russia eh comrade?
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F U .
Ukraine will cease to exist
Let’s hope so.
And russia continue to think their counter to nato air supremacy is stronger SAM systems .... Well we just have these then dont we lol
Russia has dominance in air defense systems and aircraft, you don't know anything about it, uneducated clowns. I'll tell you a secret, Ukraine has already used special missiles against air defense systems, this did not help in any way.
you ahve tos top seeing west media nd see rela world media, ukriane and anto are being pumped up evrydays with thosunds of deahts each day..
thye awill extremiante nato, the more the times goes by
@@robertokandal This botsky must have its circuitry messed up a bit.🤖🤡
@@lorenzcassidy3960 the nato bot have the chip circuit burnt down, maybe he need a help from us to be finished down,, lucky for him hes no in the front line...he has there NEONAZIS fighting for him,, and some kids picked up on the streets and threatened by azovs.
@@lorenzcassidy3960 everyday time goes, they have strange things,,, ghost of kiev,
counteroffensives with swarm drones, zihhmars that cant even hit a place porpeply du to jamming,, and now ghost cruise missele or shadow of a missle, you onlys ee shadow, cause misseles , there is no such thing
these poor beings live a contant LIE in WEST
until the they thye feel the power of the pinochio .idiot vaporizer machine
Raytheon engineers having the time of their life. To bad they are under NDA. But as a tech myself i’d fill a few days in talk with those people.
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You wouldn't even need ADM-160s to make an impact. All you need is a few dummy munitions mounted on aircraft or expended munitions scattered where they'll be found and you'll make the enemy think you have them and they'll second guess all their targets.
Should call it “Roadrunner”
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The MALD will leave Russia malding!
Russia will have no idea of this ingenious trick
They're called a MALD because they make the enemy mald 🤣
Just wait till the decoys start building decoys
Nice A10 plane :)
A beautiful thing whem is mald x up and running?
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Love confusing Sauron & his Orcs. Slava 🇺🇦 Ukraine.
UK needs these
Seems like a logical tactic. 😊
New tech, old tactic. Robin Olds, during the Vietnam War, ran Operation Bolo, where his F-4s were imitating F-105s, to lure up MiGs thinking they'd get easy kills. In this case, the F-105 UHF transmitter had a distinctive click when the mic was released, one that could be copied just by making a clicking sound with one's voice. The F-4 crews, when they made transmissions, would end by giving it their own aural click. It completed the illusion, with 7 of the FPAF's 16 MiG-21s shot down, zero US losses.
I wouldn’t brag to much about the Vietnam air war. You basically got your ass handed to you on a platter.
So clever that they lost the war!!!!
Another "Wunderwaffe", but Russia will accept that intelligence for future use.
If you make them fire 600 days, I’ll run out even quicker😂🤣
They definitely need to use this to strike the Kerch Strait Bridge..
So why are we making this public? Surely would be better to let Ukraine get on with it rather that treating war information as though it were a spectator sport?
Yeah but what if it was just actually a weapon. 😂. So many game changers that never changed anything.
What is the cost of MALD compared with say a Banshee target drone?
quite a lot more, but the MALD can imitate multiple aircraft of various sizes, whereas the banshee cant
The ADM-160A version believed to have been given to Ukraine costs $30,000 per unit approximately. Super cheap for its capabilities.
@@EthanThomson That is what I thought.
It might still be worth supplying Banshee (with the supersonic Rattler sub-drone) to Ukraine though. If nothing else it would draw fire from S300/400 systems and could be "enhanced" to simulate an SU-24 on radar.
@@dubiumguy If that price is true then that is indeed a good price when compared to S300 etc.
@@dubiumguy That is remarkably good value.. It also highlights the location of the SAM systems so they are then marked for anti radar missiles if the Storm Shadow has another designated target
I wonder if MALD/ADM160B fits into this equation anywhere.
Blue on Blue seems far fetched as a simple mistake considering Ukraine shouldn't have anything in theatre that looks like either of the those aircraft.
I was thinking about a flapless design, by using manoeuvrable weights inside the missile's structure. Possibly also useful for a hypersonic missile design.
lol... fantastic
Say what you want about the Americans, they don’t mess around when it comes to making diabolical weapons.
And we don't throw a parade every time we make a new one
Would these possibly used in an air to air role? Lure in Russian fighters and get them to waste their missiles?
No these can trick radars to think a bomber, fighter jet, etc is coming in. So the air defense is confused and focuses on theses instead of the true target. They are just decoys!
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French Air Force caption while the clip shows an A-10 in USAF markings. Good job!!
Can they be flown back and reused considering the expensive things like that or can they then be made into a bomb that can actually destroy a Target also?
Just carry on NATO to we all end up with a fryed Breakfast lmao 😂
Use one as a decoy with a pre-arranged flight plan towards a target, and follow it with an S300 of your own so they both arrive about the same time…
s300?
S300 is anti aircraft/guided muntions etc. missiles
And by that you have spend alot more recourses than you destroyed, a S300 missile is way way more expensive than a decoy
They're not used for AA
old A10's should go to Ukraine . Wipe out ground targets and bunkers.
Good way to get every single one of your pilots killed. The A10s have been obsolete in any sort of contested airspace for over 2 decades now. Could use em as target practise mind?
That would be a disaster.
If we gave A-10 to Ukraine the only thing that would accomplish would be to litter the Ukrainian countryside with the wreckage of A-10's. The A-10 is not survivable in a near peer fight even for the USAF.
You may want to practice with F16 and Kizilelma Loyal Wingman.
Ukraine has thousands of these because the U.S. has an upgraded version. Hell for Russian anti-air systems.
Modernised version of the Cold War Tacit Rainbow system?
Russia has an advanced EW system, they don't need to shoot down that missile anymore.
Ironic that the A-10 was in the clip? The US Air force will retire all of the A-10"s. Hmm Now who could use those?
Wouldn't work in Ukraine, they are useful in areas where air defense has already been eliminated, otherwise they can be shot down easier compared to normal fighter aircraft who can fly much higher and faster and carry longer range weapons.
@@ThatCarGuy Well the A-10 is tough old bird. and they do have counter measures? bet your ass the Ukrainian Air force would love to have em. will they take losses yep but that bird is heavily armored and could help even the field.
@@jaysmith7070 The issue with them is contested airspace and the way you have to use A-10s. It's a great aircraft, but with a SAM threat Ukraine will just lose pilots. F-16s or even possibly the 18s now would be a much better fit as they can carry stand off cruise missiles and stay out of range. If you bring in A-10s to contested airspace, that is not their forte, and will not be good.
maybe Russia thinks that they shoot Storm Shadow Missile but they shoot down decoys
We need to start mass production of thease for when Ukraine gets the F16 👁
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It would help if Ukraine had any planes left to launch it from.
Wonder if it could fly back to a recovery point . . . . .
No. That's really not how it works. Also not sure how you think it's going to land in one piece..?
It would not surprise me at all that US ADM-160s are being used in Ukraine
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Stop tell us the secrets of weapons. Only dump people tell the opponent “ Hey, I’m gonna jab “
My dog crossing the street would confuse ruSSia’s LADA made technology
Can it evade the new London satellite?
Pretty easy reply from Russia, dont shoot down any missiles, just fire more at Nato targets.
This could be a good asset for Ukraine.
@@JimCarner That would be good news. The type may be just what they wanted. Thanks!
@@JimCarner good strategy, but no Storm Shadow has been shot down. Despite what the orcs hope.
@@JimCarner I agree. Ukraine should have the ability to choose berries options. Thank you forrr your help!
@@JimCarner who is talking about fruit! Why?
@@JimCarner My mistake! But they should, fruit is good for you. Throw a few pineapples at the faciests!
This war is West, Europe, nato vs russia not more Ukraine.
Russian don't use decoy drone ?
They seem to regard missiles as the attackers, and have always built cheaply. Quantity over quality, and many dumb munitions rather than a focus on smart weapons. You can either build decoys, or you can learn to build hypersonic attack vehicles cheaper than an interceptor (dubious whether Russia has achieved this). There is little reason to use decoy attackers if they have comparable cost and are equally attritible to genuine ones.
This is in stark contrast to western doctrine, which frequently has manned platforms performing incursions into enemy airspace with the intent to recover them, and expensive precision systems as effectors. These are worthwhile decoying.
The thing that surprises me is the lack of decoy radar systems, or even launchers, but I guess we might not hear about them. Decoy drones are expected to crash, and Russia wants to display outrage at overt western support of Ukraine, so will publicise decoy drones, but if Ukraine hit a flatbed truck with some pipes on the back of it then they would not want to advertise if they were falling for Russian decoys, while Russia would also not want to advertise that they are using them.
The short answer is that this war is quite asymmetric, so we cannot infer from Russia's non use of decoy drones anything really.
So instead of real weapons they arm thair aircraft with this decoys? They spend decoys, aircraft resources, fuel and other side spend missiles?
And who is loosing more? 😂😂😂
The decoys need an engine, wings, and a transponder. They don't even need to be able to fly particularly precisely. An AA missile needs precise control, and some sort of sensor for target acquisition. They are inherently more expensive.
@@agsystems8220 do you count only decoys resources? What about airplane resources, fuel, risk for the pilot, his fatigue...
This is why Russia can never defeat the U.S.
The usa's new defence budget is half of russia's GDP.
That's funny... "It weighs about 140 kilos and has a range of close to 600 miles." So we're just gonna randomly mix 'n' match measurement systems? 😁
The missile knows where it is beca- wait... wait where am I? I thought I was tracking an enemy plane but that's another missile? Oh god my memory is going!
Wait, wait!!
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I wonder what damage a dummy could do if it hit into something?
It should be no problem to make a Version with a 10 or 20kg warhead.The base Model of the mald costs only 60000 dollars. It can be made into a high speed hyperprecise answer to the low tech shaheed. You can be assured that such a thing already exists.
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I tought the decoy drone we’re cheaper than that .
Are you sure about this price tag ?
How much a damage a dummy could? A lot, it just depends on how stupid the Ground Air Defense Operators are and choose to paint themselves on a passive radar system that’s looking for targets.
@@jonydory622 that's what Wikipedia says. So far it is low volume and peacetime Western military pricing. Put it into wartime mass production add a warhead and jam proof gps targeting and you have a below 100000 dollars super weapon with near supersonic speed and a range of 900 km.
Thats nothing new, Irak was fooled by similar system (maybe the same) in 1991.
West always has great weapons, just too few of them.
s-400 work or fake ?
Oh it works. Soviet air defences were always good. Unfortunately for them, the US has spent the last 70 years bombing the hell out of anywhere with oil, so they have gotten really good at dealing with them. The tactics and equipment for defeating them are down to a fine art, and have been shared.
@@agsystems8220 S-400 length can reach all kiev sky and short-down planes just take-off. Why not happen in real war field ?
Russia is not Afghanistan farmers and herders
i don't understand the real benefits
what is the difference between a real one and a fake one in terms of money?
i mean if the price difference is minimal then use all real ones
the real truth is that ANY air defence system can be penetrated
it is so much easier to hit something than to protect something from being hit
air defense is only an expensive show and waste of money
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Being one step ehead of everyone.
He is showing the number of children killed and women maybe
Apparently Schofield was using keek seeking missiles with the gophers
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Is not a neighbor around rUSSIA who didn't lose territories to them. We hope this aggressive state will brake his imperialist way of being in Ukraine.
God bless Ukraine and I am sorry for all the young lives lost from both sides for a USSR relic called pUtin.
When WWII start Germany invaded Poland but rUssia invaded Poland too.... and the list of imperialist russia aggression is long.
There are 35 languages that are considered official languages in various regions of Russia, along with Russian. There are over 100 minority languages spoken in Russia today. From 2020, amendments to the Russian Constitution stipulate that Russian is the language of the "state forming people"(wiki source).....ask yourself why so many different languages in russia?????....because they are conquered by russia and pUtin now try to ad UKRAIN language to the list
Then nato and ukraine should be winning the war
Now everybody is going to develop them. 🙁
So Russian also sent decoys drones to empty expensive missiles from batteries
Quite alarming that an Air Marshal does not understand the role of the MALD. It is absolutely not about saturation of Russia’s air defences.
More wonder weapons and game changers 😀
Unlike putins missiles that apparently can get knocked out of the sky, our weapons work
That photo helped the Russians destroy a airfield the those su24s were based at the emblem in the corner is of a air group and its base location good job
Why are you discussing this during the operation. The Russians also watch CZcams. What you are doing is giving away valuable information. STOP!!!!!
Russia is using Shahid drones the same way. Someone needs to hack some simple fiberglass flying wing airframes and attach some weed whacker engines. Send them over Russian installations. Maybe load them with C4. Total cost: ~$2000.00 per unit. 😂
No
Russia use live ammo at area targets
@@tomhenry897 yeah I guess you’re right they’re wasting good Shahids 😂 that’s why I say load them with some C4! Kaboom!!!
Shahid drones can't imitate other aircraft or imitate multiple aircraft at once like a MALD can.
It's not preventing the Russian artillery from making mincemeat out of NATO armour and proxy personnel, though, is it?
Russian forces can do this with a 35 thousand dollar drone! Yet it takes a difficult to produce 1.2 million dollar missile to shot it down!
Can they indeed? Care to put a name to the Russian drone you believe can imitate the radar and electronic signatures of a variety of aircraft and munitions?
These ones actually work pretty well
Is the coming counter-offensive still coming by the way?
When a special military operation looks like a travelling circus, I guess it would be difficult to comprehend an actual counter-offensive.
It's already started, no point in tanks rolling 'till russian logistics have been destroyed..
That's for Ukraine to know and for you to find out.
Where’s yours
@@tomhenry897 we didn't say anything about a counter-offensive. Russia can wait, but america needs to move on to China-Taiwan war...
Keep telling the Russians what the Ukrainians are doing..... 😕
you think they need to watch youtube to find out? lool
They already know all this
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@@someutubchannel69 and they picked them up off the ground after they were used🤔
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