The Car Designed To CRUSH the Shelby Cobra - The 1964 Bill Thomas Cheetah

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  • čas přidán 19. 11. 2022
  • In this Rare Cars documentary, we go in depth into the short but absolutely fascinating history of the Bill Thomas Cheetah, the car that was built to destroy the Shelby Cobra back in the 1960’s. The Cheetah is an exceptionally rare car that unfortunately not too many people know about as it sort of faded into obscurity and never got the praise nor spotlight that the Shelby Cobra got.
    That doesn’t mean this car wasn’t awesome though! Weighing in at an estimated 1,500lbs and making between 365 and 550hp, the Cheetah was an absolutely insane vehicle that the world deserved to know so much more about!
    This is the 4th Rare Cars documentary so if you enjoyed it, please make sure to subscribe to the channel because we have more documentaries just like this one coming out on history’s most interesting cars like the GT40, Porsche 907, Ferrari P4 and oh so many more!
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  • @AZCobraman
    @AZCobraman Před rokem +143

    "Cheetahs are perfectly balanced cars....once they start spinning they never stop."
    Mark Donohue.

    • @juergriolo7334
      @juergriolo7334 Před rokem +1

      yes, you are right. And ... RedBull should KEEEP OUT !!! of the Pit Area the Vather of Max !!!

    • @kennethjackson7574
      @kennethjackson7574 Před rokem +11

      And on the opposite end of that spectrum was the V-8 Gremlin. One of the Petersen magazines of those days said it understeered so much it could smoke the front tires trying to turn off of a straight line. Neither feature is useful.

    • @josefolsson5343
      @josefolsson5343 Před rokem +1

      So they are to the cars what I asume Tomcats flying through a jet wash are to airplanes? Although I couldn't possibly know this for sure since I don't have the knowledge to back that theory up. Might be that way with any military airplane in a similar situation. Also, I'm most defenitly not refering to Top Gun in an attempt to make a joke, so any trolls are free to try and make fun of me. 😏

    • @johnquillman785
      @johnquillman785 Před rokem +2

      @@kennethjackson7574 Had a stock Gremlin,,,,wide tires + short wheel base + slick road.......hold on, a spin is a real possibility on this trip. You could hit a puddle and do a 360 degree.

    • @kennethjackson7574
      @kennethjackson7574 Před rokem +3

      @@josefolsson5343 Picture holding a dumbbell, arm straight down, and turning it clockwise and counter clockwise. Now picture holding a barbell of the same weight and doing the same thing. Getting the barbell to turn will be harder than it was with the dumbbell, right? The Cheetah is rather like the dumbbell, relatively easy to spin because so much weight is near center. Especially if it’s gone off-track, such as on hard dirt or wet grass. I hope this helps.

  • @v.e.7236
    @v.e.7236 Před rokem +101

    Bill Thomas' work w/ the Chevy Corvair is what pushed my mother to buy a turbocharged Corvair in 1964. She Rallye raced the heck out of that car and I got to be her co-pilot, because I was the youngest kid and still needed supervision. My favorite supervision, ever. We clocked hundreds of miles in that Corvair. I own a '65 convertible Corvair as my daily driver and think of Mom every time I get in.

    • @monkeyearcheese420
      @monkeyearcheese420 Před rokem +10

      Your mom sounds pretty cool

    • @v.e.7236
      @v.e.7236 Před rokem +9

      @@monkeyearcheese420 I'm slightly biased, but yeah, she was a really cool mother. She was an artist, as well as an avid Rallye racer.

    • @edwhitson9873
      @edwhitson9873 Před rokem +8

      Awesome momma. Mine had a built trans-am and I could get her to race red light to red light, or smoke the tires off.....but rally racing, Wow

    • @HanoiHustler
      @HanoiHustler Před rokem +8

      My mother dragged a Roadrunner got to drive that car in her lap.

    • @HanoiHustler
      @HanoiHustler Před rokem +3

      My mother was a artist to!

  • @jonhayden6235
    @jonhayden6235 Před rokem +28

    Almost two feet shorter than a VW Beetle! Regardless of one's brand loyalty (Ford/Chevrolet/Mopar/etc.) Mr. Thomas' ingenuity and tenacity should be recognised and celebrated. Well-done video!

    • @williampotter2098
      @williampotter2098 Před rokem +4

      I couldn't believe the length but I Googled it and you are right. Well, 20 inches but damned near 2 feet. Hard to imagine.

  • @Dan210871
    @Dan210871 Před rokem +23

    Gorgeous car, undoubtedly. Shame it didn't perform accordingly. Moral of the story: There is only one Carroll Shelby.

    • @matthewbratton3825
      @matthewbratton3825 Před 11 měsíci

      Cheetah Evolution and a few others make Cheetahs now that are state of the art modern versions of the Cheetah. A friend of mine nows owners and has painted a few in flawless finishes.

    • @awaren8375
      @awaren8375 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Really? Shelby took a car someone else built and shoved a Ford V8 in it..not very original or very talented,Shelby=overrated & overpriced .bristol ace? When you take a car that's already existed for multiple years and put an engine in it that it never came with that doesn't make you anything but a f****** mechanic I never understood why people idolize this guy🤣🤣shelby😂😂😂😂see that badge makes my car faster than yours😂😂 hey guys if I put a Ford V8 in this car and call it a cobra you think anyone will notice that all I did was take the front bumper off and put a big engine in it and think I made the car right😂 no.. no , we won't.

    • @Dan210871
      @Dan210871 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@awaren8375 Then again, that is not the only thing that Shelby did. You may try to be less of a judgmental knowitall, replacing your contempt with curiosity.

    • @charlesharper7292
      @charlesharper7292 Před 5 měsíci

      It will out run, and out handle the Cobra. Chevy didn't get to race in the same class as the Cobra because the racing administration changed the number you had to build to. compete in the class. Was you had to build 100 cars. They changed the rules to 1000 cars. Chevy pulled the plug. Steering and suspension was designed after a lotus Chevy had in the shop.
      Brakes were drum front and rear!😬

    • @Dan210871
      @Dan210871 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@charlesharper7292 I see that "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda": is still the favorite tune of GM fans.

  • @deadmeat8754
    @deadmeat8754 Před rokem +10

    The BT Chevy Cheetah was such a niche tuner product that it's beyond presumptuous to suggest it was the Shelby Cobra's biggest (or even major) rival. Every thing about the Cheetah was derivative and epitomized Duct Tape Engineering, whereas everything Shelby did was bold and involved utilizing actual racing automotive engineering of the era.

    • @kennethjackson7574
      @kennethjackson7574 Před rokem

      If “Duct Tape Engineering” works it works. I like the informal motto of the folks who built the Super Guppy transport airplanes entrusted with hauling Saturn V rocket components cross country: “Build to fit, draw to match, paint to cover.”

    • @freedomm323
      @freedomm323 Před 10 měsíci +1

      yep. thats how I remember the Cheetah, as a cheap knock off of the cobra...still a cool car, but thats how it was viewed by the motor head adults i grew up around

  • @scottmccutcheon2530
    @scottmccutcheon2530 Před rokem +23

    One of my favorites from the sixties. I remember have a slot car with a cheetah body on it. Those were the days

    • @tiberiusgracchus7328
      @tiberiusgracchus7328 Před rokem +5

      The Cheetah made a great slot car body, low and wide. Slot cars were great fun. A great time to be a kid.

    • @VWPirates
      @VWPirates Před rokem +3

      I admired my Cheetah slot car for many hours as a kid. It helped making me a petrol head.

    • @donnarolando3961
      @donnarolando3961 Před rokem

      @carmineredd Strombecker😃

    • @freedomm323
      @freedomm323 Před 10 měsíci

      the Slot car race tracks :) we had one track/store in my area, with 3 major hobby shops ...those were great times

    • @donnarolando3961
      @donnarolando3961 Před 10 měsíci

      Had one from Strombecker, one of my favorites

  • @kevinbarrett9615
    @kevinbarrett9615 Před rokem +32

    Saw one race at Road America , loudest car at the event , a hoot to watch. I will always remember the Cox gas powered model when I was a kid.

    • @todd3285
      @todd3285 Před rokem +2

      I use to race SCCA back in the late seventies and early eighties . Later on I did a few historic races . The sound of the Cheetah was amazing . You could hear it before you could see it .

    • @samsonian
      @samsonian Před rokem +2

      One of the very few ‘legend’ cars of the 60s I have NO desire to drive. Looks AND appears designed to want to kill its driver (that’s saying something from the 60s)!

    • @kenm4678
      @kenm4678 Před rokem +2

      You can still usually watch a SOCAL Cheetah and the coupe at vintage/historic RA races.

    • @rickwho2314
      @rickwho2314 Před rokem

      The whole story sounds like another whining GM ass clown. Just another Wan 2 Bee😢

    • @DanimalZ32
      @DanimalZ32 Před 11 měsíci

      Was just at RA for the vintage weathertech challenge this weekend and the cheetah dominated everything as always!

  • @blarfneggs3728
    @blarfneggs3728 Před rokem +8

    I bought a Cheetah when I was a teenager as a project. Had no idea what I was doing. Ended up reselling it a few years later for what I paid for it which was $2500. Wish I had it now.

    • @kennethjackson7574
      @kennethjackson7574 Před rokem +2

      The car I wish I had bought 50-ish years ago was a Dan Gurney Cougar, Gurney’s counter to the Shelby Mustang. The other side of the coin- Shelby v. Thomas, and Shelby v. Gurney. $800. Oh well.

  • @ytwhite5930
    @ytwhite5930 Před rokem +25

    Great video! As a 9yr old kid,I got to take a ride in the green Alan Green Cheetah on 1st ave so. one Sat. morning with a mchanic.Note that it still has the original drum brakes on it! RIP Bill Thomas.

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem +3

      That’s an awesome story!

    • @anthonysiler4938
      @anthonysiler4938 Před 11 měsíci

      My dad has the pic of that car in his office at the Bardahl plant, cool car!

    • @freedomm323
      @freedomm323 Před 10 měsíci

      This generation will never know the joy of drum brakes and bias ply tires :)

  • @vernhoke7730
    @vernhoke7730 Před rokem +18

    Wow! As a kid my grandfather had a small slot car track in his basement.
    When my cousins and I were over we'd go down there and race. One of my favorites was a Cheetah. The sixties were cool!

    • @Jzay67
      @Jzay67 Před rokem

      I also loved the looks of the Cheetah and had a unpainted clear bodied slot car way back in the day. (I was too impatient to paint it!)

    • @heaven-is-real
      @heaven-is-real Před rokem

      same here i had a cheetah slot car i painted metallic green and it won all the races

    • @cag1763
      @cag1763 Před rokem

      I was gonna say that...that was out Marx layout in basement..the other car was a bird cage Maserati...

    • @bradsanders6954
      @bradsanders6954 Před rokem

      The new digital slot setups from Carrera are a blast! They do a lot more than the old school sets did.
      Cars can be rockets right out of the box.

  • @rientsdijkstra4266
    @rientsdijkstra4266 Před rokem +23

    1500lbs = about 675kg. That is already remarkable, but nearly unbelievable with a heavy cast iron "small" block V8 on board.

    • @monkeyearcheese420
      @monkeyearcheese420 Před rokem +2

      Pretty sure a stock beetle is around 1600 lbs. That's insane power to weight in the cheetah

    • @currentbatches6205
      @currentbatches6205 Před rokem

      Not sure that is accurate. Restored an early '70s F-1; it was ~1200# and much, much smaller.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 Před rokem +1

      Small block Chevy not that heavy really and much more compact then even new v8 engines

    • @rientsdijkstra4266
      @rientsdijkstra4266 Před rokem

      @@Thumper68 Old style "Small block" Chevy is still an iron v8 lump of about 5.7 litres or so that weighs about 350 to 450 lbs depending on the spec. In European perspective that is an enormous and very heavy engine, even if it is relatively compact. Of course modern chevy v8's like the LS3 and later versions are a bit lighter because they are constructed from aluminium, but that is not the case here.

    • @zztop7306
      @zztop7306 Před rokem +1

      I'm not sure why the quotes for small. The block size has nothing to do with the overall cubic inch of the engine.

  • @doug3805
    @doug3805 Před rokem +5

    The Shelby is pure art, but the Cheetah is something else. Nice video

    • @ChadGerstmeyer-vr1sg
      @ChadGerstmeyer-vr1sg Před rokem

      The Cheetah was a death trap! Chevy saw it and wanted nothing to do with it.

  • @rarecars3336
    @rarecars3336  Před rokem +17

    USE THIS AS THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM THREAD!
    I have been reading through the comments of the last videos and noted all the critiques and tried to implement the following changes:
    1. I removed the hard coded subtitles
    2. I tried to slow down my speaking, annunciate better and I added larger pauses between sentences so things don’t seem like one large run on sentence
    3. I added images and animated them to make them a bit more engaging than just a regular image.
    4. I used shorter clips and more different clips to make the video more visually engaging.
    I know the microphone settings in this video are a tad bit peaky at certain points so I apologize, I just got a new PC to edit and haven’t nailed the settings yet but I’m working on it!
    Any other critiques you have please feel free to leave them here. Also please mention and other Cheetah related facts here, it’s difficult to find a lot of info on this car!
    Thanks everyone for watching though, 1,000 subs in a month is crazy!

    • @omegapolat
      @omegapolat Před rokem +1

      your speak being speedy sometimes in this video, but i know you will slow it too in the future.

    • @rileyberkowitz
      @rileyberkowitz Před rokem +3

      This video is a huge improvement to what I already thought was great content! Your videos are so unique and high quality and it's awesome to see a creator taking criticism so well. Keep it up!

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem +4

      @@rileyberkowitz thank you for the kind words, I’m just trying to make good content that people enjoy!

    • @brianmorgan4678
      @brianmorgan4678 Před rokem +1

      1

    • @garyallen8869
      @garyallen8869 Před rokem

      Using other people's videos without permission is not the way to go about putting together an informative video, the black cheetah that I am tuning would be one example, try asking people rather than copying their videos, I happen to have an extensive knowledge of Cheetah's both original, and continuations, but since you didn't do the right thing, you'll have to keep searchin

  • @roadragerescues
    @roadragerescues Před rokem +5

    Ralph Salyer not Sayler.
    From Hammond Indiana.
    Gene Crowe was his mechanic and together they built and raced the Cheetah known as the Cro-Sal Special.
    Also they raced Oldsmobile powered CanAm cars.
    Very cool history there.

  • @timheidel5849
    @timheidel5849 Před rokem +12

    I seem to recall an episode of the show "Billions" where the main character ("Bobby Axelrod") is walking through his car collection, with a red Cheetah at the center of his collection. He also mentions that he is a billionaire who has everything a man can buy, including a Cheetah.

  • @monkeyearcheese420
    @monkeyearcheese420 Před rokem +6

    This was one of my favorite hot wheels when I was a kid. So aggressive looking

  • @dannygloversshotgun211
    @dannygloversshotgun211 Před rokem +6

    I wonder if the Cheetah was used as a basis for inspiration when GM produced the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky. I can definitely see the general body shape in the design, especially on the hardtop models

  • @johnkemas7344
    @johnkemas7344 Před rokem +9

    I remember the Cheetahs! As a kid I had several Cheeta slot cars 1/24 and 1/32 scale. They were great too! Certainly a sweet ride!

    • @39KHall
      @39KHall Před rokem

      Cool. I had a Thunderjet 500 (HO) Cheetah when I was a kid.

    • @johnkemas7344
      @johnkemas7344 Před rokem +2

      I had the Aurora HO sot cars too, but never could find the Cheetah. I did have 2 - 63 Split widow Vettes though in the Auroras. Good old days! I live in Pittsburgh and can't find any slot car tracks at all anymore and few privately owned ones either. the last commericial one was at a big big hobby shop and it wnet out of business 5 years ago. Sad days!!

    • @blastingcapps4341
      @blastingcapps4341 Před rokem

      ​@@johnkemas7344check out Mark's model World Canton Ohio might be worth the drive

    • @thewatcher5271
      @thewatcher5271 Před rokem

      Hey Man, You Were Lucky! I Always Wanted A 1/32 Scale Slot Car But I Ended Up With The Aurora HO Track Which I Still Have Somewhere In The Attic. Thank You.

    • @johnkemas7344
      @johnkemas7344 Před rokem +2

      @@thewatcher5271 I was lucky enough to live close to 3 commercial pay to play tracks in the 60's in the Pittsburgh, PA area. My Dad would take me but I had to pay the track fees with my allowances and earnings from cutting neighbors grass etc. Lot of fun in those days!! But it was still pricey. Built my own cars with brass tubing and a frame jig and bought the car body t my local hobby shop. Damn ..... $3.00 was a lot of money in those days!!

  • @ericdawson845
    @ericdawson845 Před rokem +1

    I used to go to the SCCA races at the Santa Barbara airport in the mid-60s and so saw with my own eyes. The Cheetahs were fun to look at but were just not developed and amounted to dismal failures compared to the Cobras; of the latter, the 289s were so much better at handling than the nose-heavy 427s. BTW, the Corvette Gran Sports were cannon fodder and were absolutely inhaled by both Cobras and even the GT350 mustangs even though they were of a lower class.
    The most excitement was the small displacement Ferrari V12s going down the runway/straightaway redlined out in top gear; absolutely made your hair stand up. The best performers overall were the Porsche 904s. Best handling in the tight bits were the Mini Cooper S cars.

  • @deltavee2
    @deltavee2 Před rokem +1

    Fascinating! First contact and you have thumbs up, subscription and white bell.
    Good stuff!

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem

      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for becoming part of the channel!

  • @Another_Saved_Sinner
    @Another_Saved_Sinner Před rokem +3

    So much I never knew about that car. Had i known, i wouldnt have passed when the opportunity to buy a rolling chassis presented itself to me!

  • @hughjass1044
    @hughjass1044 Před rokem +3

    Great video! I'd seen this car before but knew almost nothing about the story behind it.

  • @bryanst.martin7134
    @bryanst.martin7134 Před rokem +4

    Surprising that a Factory guy would be so short sighted. Difference between trained and self taught, I guess. As a racer you have to figure out a lot of things on the fly. Where the heat is going is certainly one, durability of the suspension is another critical point. 3 lbs per horse power is really difficult to control and keep stuck to the surface without speed and aerodynamics to push it down. I remember seeing it, but knew nothing about it. Thank you for the post!

  • @martinmoffitt4702
    @martinmoffitt4702 Před rokem +3

    a footnote in American production and Racing...cool looking cars!

  • @keithlenzner
    @keithlenzner Před rokem +5

    We built a Triumph. A 350 Chevy motor, 4 speed Olds automatic trans. We ended up with a 1" long driveshaft. At least we didn't have to balance it.

  • @neorandy
    @neorandy Před rokem +3

    It’s great to finally know the history of the orange car, my favorite, that I ran on my racetrack that Christmas morning many years ago. I’m guessing it was about 1966 when I was 10.

    • @bradsanders6954
      @bradsanders6954 Před rokem +1

      I had an HO slot car track as a young kid, the Cheetah was my favorite car for sure.
      50 some years later I have an all digital german made slot car track upstairs.
      What did I order for it first? A Cheetah of course, ending up with 2 of them.
      They are 1/32 to exact scale so they're small compared to other 1/32 cars. They fly!

  • @MrBinnie824
    @MrBinnie824 Před rokem +1

    Love the content bud. Binged all your vids while I was out on a run. Excited for more vids on quirky cars.

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem

      Thank you so much for watching, glad you enjoyed them!

  • @ChadGeidel
    @ChadGeidel Před rokem

    This is such an awesome story! Thank you!

  • @Loulovesspeed
    @Loulovesspeed Před rokem +1

    A design that was sketched out in chalk on the floor, then built of aluminum which was hammered around a wooden buck. Sound familiar? Exactly the way the World Championship Cobra Daytona Coupe was created by Peter Brock!
    The Cheetah got a lot of people excited at first as it looked like the car that could do what no one else could do....reel in the Cobra. But it turned out to be another example that looked good on paper, but just never got engineered to the point where it was practical. If there is such a thing as being overpowered, the Cheetah was first in class. Trying to effectively control that much power on such a small wheelbase coupled with an ineffective chassis and suspension helped to doom the car. The fire at the Cheetah factory was the final blow for this ill conceived machine. It never amounted to a Cobra killer after all. RIP Cheetah. The Shelby Cobra still rules! 🤠 🏆 🏁

  • @bbracing3925
    @bbracing3925 Před rokem

    3:09 How gracious of the king to lead his people to the start of the race. How humble of him. 🤴 All hail king Supra the 4th!

  • @chugchug5657
    @chugchug5657 Před měsícem

    That's why it's rare. The beautiful thought of it was there but not enough to pass the test.

  • @vrm86gt
    @vrm86gt Před rokem +1

    I heard of the cheetah but didn't know it was that light! Thanks for the information!

  • @rickyrobertson9874
    @rickyrobertson9874 Před rokem

    Being born in '59 I know that it is better than I know, watching this period come into it's OWN!

  • @E.T.GARAGE
    @E.T.GARAGE Před rokem +2

    The more I think about the Cheetah the more it resembles a sprint car packaged differently.

  • @freedomm323
    @freedomm323 Před 10 měsíci

    As a child in the 60s growing up in Northern Virginia inside the Beltway, there were many Pentagon based Military as well as FT. Belvoire, who had returned from Combat duty , and they bought bad ass cars, I got to see Cobras, Shelby Mustangs, Jaguar's etc.. Not to say they were EVERYWHERE, they were the once a week rare sightings that all of us car crazy kids looked for....it was an awesome decade in many regards

  • @josefolsson5343
    @josefolsson5343 Před rokem

    Thanks for an interesting documentary short about this car! Think I saw a video with this car many years ago, but with the v8 being replaced by a v16!

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem

      I think I saw a video about a cheetah getting a v12 but I never heard of someone v16 swapping one 😱

  • @XrayxRich
    @XrayxRich Před rokem +2

    One of the Firestone kids had one when I was at Parsons' college in 1966. That thing was a real beast.

  • @EricTheOld
    @EricTheOld Před rokem

    Finally information on the cheetah, thanks

  • @sfeddie1
    @sfeddie1 Před rokem

    Back in the mid 60's I was well into the burgeoning slot car hobby. When the the Cox Cheetah kits and clear plastic Cheetah bodies came out, I was fell in love with the body shape of the Cheetah. I hadn't yet learned about the Cheetahs being built as the "Cobra killer", I just knew that the this was the most beautiful race car I had ever seen. I built many a Cheetah slot car racer back then.
    Fast forward to the early 2000's when slot cars were kind of making a somewhat of a comeback, I got back into the the hobby. Along with the current super-slick bodied cars, I still built a few Cheetahs using the clear bodies I had kept since the 60's. They weren't competitive, but I didn't care. So long as they ran fast and handled well......good enough.
    My bucket list? To be able to one day drive a real Cheetah. Maybe around a race track, not fast enough to kill myself but to experience the thrill of it all. Yeah!

  • @Thomas-pq4ys
    @Thomas-pq4ys Před rokem

    As a kid, I loved the look of the Cheetah.
    I built a slot car with a vacuum formed Cheetah body. I couldn't wait to get home from school to work on it. When done, it was fast. I won a lot of races.
    What was cool about this slot car was that when accelerating out of a corner, it'd pull a partial wheelie, impressing onlookers.
    My father, a meticulous craftsman, would wonder that my cobbled together creations were so fast, handled well.... eat my dust dad.
    I never knew the history of the Cheetah. Thanks for this.

  • @TamTran-vw7zm
    @TamTran-vw7zm Před rokem +2

    This car was a dismal failure from its inception. From its drum brakes to its wildly overheating cockpit, it was half-baked and broke almost every time it ran--esp against the cobras. I always felt sorry for the underappreciated Jerry Titus who got saddled with driving it. Finally Talph Salyer cut the entire roof from his trying to survive the heat. And that car I saw launch its flywheel into the air like a giant lethal discus.

  • @gregkistner1955
    @gregkistner1955 Před rokem +2

    A great story!

  • @jimiverson3085
    @jimiverson3085 Před rokem +2

    The Cheetah did have some fame at the time. Stromberg made slot cars using Cheetah body shapes over the slot car chassis. I had one in my collection as a kid.

  • @idesantiago
    @idesantiago Před rokem +4

    @8:01 structural rigidity can not be affected if you do not have any to start with. Might as well do a convertible.

  • @rpols22
    @rpols22 Před rokem +1

    Great video. Always wanted to know more about the cheetah. Had GM put more thought and effort into this, this car would have destroyed the Shelby Cobra. With that insane power to weight ratio, it would have walked away from the Cobra.
    But of course..... As usual.... GM just had to protect its beloved corvette.

    • @joshuagibson2520
      @joshuagibson2520 Před rokem

      Bingo. I'm an old school fbody gm guy. As much as I love the C2 AND C3 as well, GM really fucked themselves many times because of the "beloved corvette". Fuck corvette.

  • @fredtedstedman
    @fredtedstedman Před rokem +1

    beautiful car - never seen this before !

  • @chrisnizer5702
    @chrisnizer5702 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love these classic race cars! No active suspension, no paddle shifters, or high tech electronic devices. Nothing but the skills of the driver and the crew.

  • @Turbo4Joe363
    @Turbo4Joe363 Před rokem +6

    I wouldn't be surprised if some Cheetah owner swapped in a junkyard 5.3 LS....😂
    Yeah,
    I'll take a 427 Cobra!

  • @oldhick9047
    @oldhick9047 Před rokem +1

    Design and putting that design into practice are two very different things.

  • @AynManRand
    @AynManRand Před rokem +1

    This was my favorite hot wheel

  • @byrnc927
    @byrnc927 Před rokem +1

    As a child during this period the Cheetah was always the ultimate car for me.

  • @melodigrand
    @melodigrand Před rokem +1

    About Ralph Salyer, he raced the Cheetah against all out mid engine sports racers, the Chapparal 2, Cooper Ford King Cobra, Genie Chevrolet. The Cheetah never qualified to race in the production class with the Cobra. At least once, the Cheetah came in 1st ahead of all the mid engine racers.

  • @andykerr3803
    @andykerr3803 Před rokem

    Fun video 👍

  • @georgeburns7251
    @georgeburns7251 Před rokem +2

    I remember watching one of these attempt to race at Laguna Seca in the early sixties. It looked good until it attempted to keep up with the other cars. It was obvious it couldn’t handle corners or the straights. Bill should have stuck with Vettes

  • @timhallas4275
    @timhallas4275 Před rokem +3

    I built a plastic model kit called "Cheetah" in the mid 60s. I never knew it was a real car.

    • @ablejack3
      @ablejack3 Před rokem

      Same. Well, I didn't have a model kit to build but I had a few different scale Cheetah model/toy cars. The funny thing is - I wasn't crazy about them. While they were cool, I preferred the toy cars based on actual cars. I too thought the Cheetah was only a fantasy design. 😄

  • @Mr.Guild1971
    @Mr.Guild1971 Před rokem

    SPRINT cars have direct drive-no shaft,pushing more HP and they're on dirt !! So under rated

  • @markhale8084
    @markhale8084 Před rokem +2

    The Cheetah was planned to compete against 289 Cobra, not 427. No matter as it was never a production car so couldn’t compete in production sports car classes. While I love the Cheetah, comparing a purpose built race car to a production sports car regardless of the original plan is pretty worthless.

  • @hansdomke89
    @hansdomke89 Před rokem +3

    Ooh I love the Cheetah. Great improvement on this video!

  • @edwhitson9873
    @edwhitson9873 Před rokem +1

    Most awesome looking car ever

  • @christophecamus3295
    @christophecamus3295 Před rokem +1

    Cool looking car

  • @joeJoe-pb3su
    @joeJoe-pb3su Před rokem

    Wow...never heard about the cheetah 🐆 great little machine 😀 👍

  • @randr10
    @randr10 Před rokem +4

    That's the thing about Shelby. He had a reputation for being a showman and a shyster who would do anything to sell his cars, but he was a legitimately good engineer and an experienced race car driver who sold real race cars that you could drive on the street. The Cobras were put to the test and won. They were blindingly fast even by today's standards in 427 trim, they were fairly reliable on the race track and the only major shortcoming was the aero generating lift and unpredictable handling up around 140+ mph. This is why Shelby moved on to what was essentially a research project for the GT40, the Daytona Coupe. They put a roof and a fastback on the Cobra, modified the nose and did real wind tunnel testing to create a car that made both front and rear downforce at speed. Most of the aero design-elements that they discovered went into the Ford GT40 cars, which is a major reason why those cars turned out to be so good on the race track. Sure Ford put a lot of support behind those cars, but it was really Shelby who made them what they were. The rear mid-engine layout didn't hurt either, but if the Daytona Coupe had gotten more support than it did, I think it would have possibly been faster at Le Mans just due to lightness. Regardless, the Cheetah didn't win because it wasn't a total package race car, and all of the Cobras and GT cars were. They truly delivered performance-wise. I've driven a Factory 5 replica of a Cobra with a real 427SO motor, which Shelby himself said was the closest to the originals out there, and it was good in every way conceivable. I was surprised because all of the journalists talked about what a handful they were, and I didn't get that impression at all. It was a tied down chassis, it had great traction, it was light and it had more power than you could possibly use on the street without catching a felony. The handling was right up there with a modern front engine Corvette for example. Actually better honestly, because weight distribution was rear biased. There's a reason for their reputation, and it's because they'll still hang with the best today except for the aforementioned aero flaws.

  • @chawenhalo0089
    @chawenhalo0089 Před rokem

    This dude sounds like like Mike from Bug Muscle. Legend!

  • @jeffthompson9622
    @jeffthompson9622 Před rokem

    A friend, Donald Long, long ago built a car in Maryland with a fiberglass body and Chevy V-8 that closely resembles the Cheetah. He called his "The Monster" because its low weight made its performance outrageous.

  • @Thumper68
    @Thumper68 Před rokem +1

    Carol Shelby didn’t originally build the GT-40 he came on to help fix it after.

  • @gulgul2006
    @gulgul2006 Před rokem +1

    The Bill Thomas Cheetah. When almost is enough.

  • @stevedeleon8775
    @stevedeleon8775 Před rokem +5

    Pretty much 4 out of 5 Shelby Cobras I've seen in shows are Kit Car Replicas..

    • @gavinvalentino6002
      @gavinvalentino6002 Před rokem +1

      4 out of five?
      So of the car shows you've attended, 20% of the Cobras have been authentic multi-multi-million$$$ rarities?
      Nope.

    • @jimandnancymcoil
      @jimandnancymcoil Před rokem

      @@gavinvalentino6002 At a Carlisle Kit Car Show, 10/15 years ago, a guy from N.H., brought 2 Cheetahs, they were in the Big Red Barn, I walked around them everyday, talked to the owner< nice guy? I happened to catch him loading up or unloading, I forgot? I did 100 shows at Carlisle in 10 years as a AMSOIL Dealer, saw 100's of Cobras, But, only 2 Cheetahs!!

    • @Turbo4Joe363
      @Turbo4Joe363 Před rokem +4

      That's because there weren't many real Cobras made....
      And the real ones cost MILLIONS.

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Před rokem

      If 20% of the Cobras you've seen were real, you're doing pretty well.
      Hell, if they're not cobbled together out of Fox body parts you're doing decent.

  • @jamesweaver1738
    @jamesweaver1738 Před rokem +2

    I always loved this car.

  • @jackylsmith8138
    @jackylsmith8138 Před rokem

    The TVR Griffith and the cheetah were very similar in design at the same time. Got to love a small block American V8 in a small lightweight body.

  • @willstikken5619
    @willstikken5619 Před rokem +7

    I always loved these cars. It is a shame they didn't receive a little more engineering support which could have elevated this car to legendary status. I often wonder how well the Cheetah Evolution addresses these short comings.

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Před rokem

      Pretty sure the wheelbase was a big part of the problem with how these cars handled. They like to spin.

    • @willstikken5619
      @willstikken5619 Před rokem

      @@skaldlouiscyphre2453 So, for some reason you imagine the wheelbase is what makes the cars spin and creates their handling problems?
      Ignoring that the Cobra as an identical wheelbase you think this is the problem and not the balance of the car or the suspension geometry but the wheelbase? If that were true it would equate to saying the issues are all driver error...

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Před rokem

      @@willstikken5619 I'm just repeating Mark Donohue's insights about the car. He's not really known for driver error.

    • @messyg-tar2251
      @messyg-tar2251 Před rokem

      ​@@willstikken5619 come now. That attitude is not needed

    • @willstikken5619
      @willstikken5619 Před rokem

      @@skaldlouiscyphre2453 I suspect you're missing some context there. The wheelbase alone is not a cause of the problem no matter which driver you parrot.

  • @conradsenior5843
    @conradsenior5843 Před 11 měsíci

    Love it.

  • @ferrelx
    @ferrelx Před rokem +1

    5:46 it really is no big deal and can only be done with rear independent suspension because the dif is solid mounted while the control arms are sprung..not the entire axle..

  • @lovehistory5305
    @lovehistory5305 Před rokem +1

    Would have been a great car if Goverment Motors helped fund it.

  • @jamesharrison6201
    @jamesharrison6201 Před rokem

    Never lived up to hopes.
    It was called FLEXIBLE FLYER because the frame was not rigid enough

  • @nigelrg1
    @nigelrg1 Před rokem

    Re: Lack of a driveshaft between transmission and differential. I could be wrong, but I don't think the old Renault 4L had one, either. The engine and transmission were reversed, with the transmission just behind the radiator and it was front-wheel drive.

  • @amigo8872
    @amigo8872 Před rokem +1

    AMAZING

  • @bunsonhoneydew9099
    @bunsonhoneydew9099 Před rokem +1

    I always wondered what would happen if the transmission was hooked directly to the differential with one u-joint.

  • @Retroscoop
    @Retroscoop Před rokem +1

    The De Tomaso Mangusta too was developed to "eat" Cobra's, the Mangusta being the natural enemy n° 1 of Cobra's. So, the name choosen was no coïncident. Whether De Tomaso fulfilled its ambition, I'll leave that to others to comment on....

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před rokem

      The mangusta is a cool car, I like pretty much all the cars De Tomaso made!

  • @mgbchuck6527
    @mgbchuck6527 Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks

  • @triplesoup9769
    @triplesoup9769 Před rokem

    3:49 hey jerma985 here showing off my new car

  • @IndridCool54
    @IndridCool54 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I was ten years old when the Cheetah came about. I thought it was the coolest car ever… still do. The short wheelbase definitely added to the sketchy handling.

    • @rarecars3336
      @rarecars3336  Před 10 měsíci +1

      It is an undeniably cool car even if it was sketchy

  • @jerrychase4177
    @jerrychase4177 Před rokem

    Reminds one of Sno Jet's awesome 1972 Thunder Jet

  • @uv77mc85
    @uv77mc85 Před rokem +1

    AC brought out a car called the 428 which was gorgeous, especially the spider but very very rare.

    • @mikeholland1031
      @mikeholland1031 Před rokem

      A lot of cobras only had 428's in them. You could get it swapped if you complained.

  • @charlespitts5901
    @charlespitts5901 Před rokem

    I watched one race at Riverside International Raceway back in the day,,,

  • @martinchristian7270
    @martinchristian7270 Před rokem

    Man!! That car was practically a go cart with a V-8 engine in it.

  • @kenxiong6830
    @kenxiong6830 Před rokem

    Beast of a machine but never given an opportunity.

  • @sltillim
    @sltillim Před rokem

    I was at Laguna seca to see that #8 car race in the video.

  • @monnimonnickendam7289
    @monnimonnickendam7289 Před 11 měsíci +1

    When it comes to legendary cars - trust a chicken farmer.

  • @mikecone4049
    @mikecone4049 Před rokem +3

    Thunderbolt :)

  • @FSEVENMAN
    @FSEVENMAN Před rokem +41

    Since everyone knows about the Shelby Cobra and they're all over the place these days and there aren't any cheetahs I'm thinking things didn't really work out for the cheetah. It completely failed at putting the Cobra in its place.

    • @mountainskys
      @mountainskys Před rokem +4

      Read the history of it. It wasn't Bill Thomas' fault. Little to no support from Chevrolet was a huge burden.
      There is a fantastic Cheetah kit car available today (Shell Valley) for those that still dream of going fast.

    • @philking7805
      @philking7805 Před rokem +6

      Cobra's aren't "all over the place" but replicas are

    • @ScooterLee-ei1ep
      @ScooterLee-ei1ep Před rokem +2

      Well they weren’t allowed too

    • @ScooterLee-ei1ep
      @ScooterLee-ei1ep Před rokem

      Look into why ford “donated” money to the SCCA and there were rule changes. And yes then Shelby saw the cheetah run he was scared.

    • @timmcfarland2853
      @timmcfarland2853 Před rokem +1

      ​@@philking7805Cobra replicas are but you don't see many Daytonas, which is more comparable to the Cheetah. The Ford SOHC 427 was one of the best designed engines ever built for racing.

  • @rdt1104
    @rdt1104 Před rokem

    Good looking car

  • @gavinvalentino6002
    @gavinvalentino6002 Před rokem

    *Thank god for a red arrow in the thumbnail, just like every other channel overusing silly red arrows since around 2002.*

  • @brianchiasson2465
    @brianchiasson2465 Před rokem

    Yes, so successful and threatening that it’s largely forgotten.

  • @davidedwards7746
    @davidedwards7746 Před rokem +1

    In 1975 or 76 I considered buying one that was used for drag racing. The top had been cut off and I thought it was too bastardized. For $1,900, I wish I had bought it!

  • @jcchristopher7827
    @jcchristopher7827 Před rokem

    What ever happened to the Pontiac Corvette and it's racing version had the straight six etc. I can't remember the name of it but I remember when I was five years old seeing them and loved them

  • @1183newman
    @1183newman Před rokem

    Sadly have yet to see a cheetah race at the goodwood revival against the cobra and griffith :(

  • @loti54
    @loti54 Před 8 měsíci

    I like these things 😛 and nobody has heard of them, I blow people away by showing them these cars, they are very cool, very experimental

  • @kennethjackson7574
    @kennethjackson7574 Před rokem

    Seems to me one of these had been in a print ad for Quaker State oil.

  • @natesteiner5460
    @natesteiner5460 Před rokem

    Somewhere between the Shelby Cobra and Max Belchowski's Old Yeller

  • @0Sirk0
    @0Sirk0 Před rokem

    That #92 Cheetah looks an awful lot like a C3 Corvette.
    *LOL*