NATALIA'S NEW PASSIVE - IS IT A NERF OR BUFF?
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- NATALIA'S NEW PASSIVE - IS IT A NERF OR BUFF?
So today I'm going to review the experimental adjustments on Natalia here on advance server
Yes it's still experimental and that means it's not final
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She deserved a buff, a literal buff. NOT a neutral adjustment that changes her role and history.
Haha die nata🦗
Nothing was needed she was already op hero
@@divyangverma9880 the only thing she needed was the reducing how long u have to be in the bush to be invisible and the bar thing at the bottom, That's it . But they completely nerfed her 😭😭😭
Natalia was once the assassin that you have to look out for most of the time because of her passive invisibility. It's her thing, but now she became quite of a joke.
I agree,this adjustment is a joke and bulkshit
@@invincible9659 exactly. The instant i saw the patch, I knew it's going to be trash. She embodied the assassin role for her invisibility, but still provides the enemy some time to react since she gets revealed if she's closer, but now? What's the point? 🤷🏼♂️
silence queen no more😢
Welp seems like Nat is going to have the same faith as Helcurt
What elgin said was true though. If they are going to make natalia's passive a camouflage, they should make it less visible like aamon. I like the idea of no cooldown and 1 second instant camouflage state.
As a Natalia player i feel this is not just a Nerf it's a complete role change. Invisibility is the core for Natalia and camouflage makes a complete role change.
Agreed (Natalia main)
Truth be told as an ex nata main, she's really bad. The main thing about nata is that she isnt an assassin/fighter but a pure assassin. Designed to absolutely kill anyone, but just one other hero and then get out. I understand moonton wants to make her viable in jungle role but this is just trash. Her invisibility and exclamation mark is a good tool for checking bushes, killing and jungling. Her kit truly shines when controlled by a person with an exceptional macro skills. If moonton really wants her in the jungle role while still retaining her uniqueness, I think its good enough with reducing the bush cooldown to like 1.5sec, just 0.5sec less than in the original server
I get it but her camo doesn't go away if not entering bush but if they make it like amon...she could have some use. Plus 1s in bush means she can escape ez...
@@sajithbabu2846 So this revamp makes her??? have escape skills which she already have. Well imagine it like this, what if Miya have camouflage instead of invisibility, how much easier do you think she will get killed?? thats how easy it is Natalia will get killed. If you don't know the answer well it became too ez to kill Miya. Why? because that invisibility makes her survive, SURVIVE! That's what happens to Natalia if you take that away. She won't SURVIVE in the new meta.
Not only an obvious nerf, but a slap in the face to all those who main her.
4k macthes😢
2 years playing nata.
A nerf in my opinion. The exlamation point is really useful on detecting enemies so you do not get counter ambushed
It's a buff because you don't need to walk through bushes just to keep the invisibility going.. just avoid bushes and walk on normal paths.. let the tanks do the face checks.. targeted skills still can't lock on you and they have to spend aoe skills and actually hit you in order to break camouflage.. additionally, the lowered timer on getting the camo is really strong.. didn't you see how many times Elgin can get it in one team fight.? And this isn't to make Nat very weak but rather improve quality of playing against her.. that mark has no counterplay at all.. you don't know where she's coming from but she knows you're near so she'll just run away like the good assassin she is.. so unless you love getting dunked on by Natalia then her current form is way too annoying to play against.. it forces you to play one particular strategy and that's to group up.. other assassins can be outplayed but you can't outplay Nat.. even if you buy defensive items like windchant or winter truncheon, a strong Nat player will just bait your items and go back in using Ult.. this change not only makes it bearable to fight Nat but still ensures that the Nat player will still be able to sneak past enemy detection..
@@lmntsgames3848 there are bushes everywhere
@@sushit3044 bruh if u wait that much everytime u r literally spending a lot of time whole game. its like if hilda can heal anywhere vs just in bush or if yi shun shin can get boat anywhere
@@sushit3044 I think the change on her makes her escape easier unlike before u have to wait before becoming invisible.
Let your Roamer do the bush checking
well miya is the only one with invisibility now
Tbh Natalia isn't really fully visible she actually appears if she gets close to enemies
@@FrankyTaxi natalia 3 years ago is different
@@FrankyTaxi before that, she's completely invisible and take note that in her first release, there's no warning 😞😱
@@Miya144p I didn't know🗿I joined at s25
Soon they will turn into camouflage 💀
I prefer her invisibility more then the camouflage
Yeah , and if they doesn't want to give the invisibility back . Just make the claw passive glowing disappear .
ELGIN: BUFF OR NERF?
MOONTON: "BURF''
the going invisible and kicking ass is what makes natalia unique also maintaining the invisible state is fun. Its a shame that they did this
That pink glow definitely makes it a nerf, even aamon becomes almost invisible
Yeah conceal item batter then that
I think natalia ultimate should be giving 1-2secs true invisibility like miya ulti and after it ended the camouflage passive will continue where it left off.
The camouflage passive while it's indeed akin to a nerf for some people, as long they make the nata iconic mark unseenable for enemies and give some adjustment to ultimate like what i suggest it will really make nata back to be true stealth queen, but still giving enemies a little room of breathe when getting ganked. Not too bad from my eyes as someone who never play natalia (well, atm good nata user already annoying, and i'm sure this change won't even make them sweat much, heck, even more nimble if i say).
This will redefine natalia's gameplay. As for me I take advantage the exclamation mark feature to know if someone is in a bush.
i think it's a nerf because you must enter bushes to check enemies, unlike before there's an exclamation appears when going near the bushes where enemy hides. Now, Natalia is visible to them while camping at the bush.
And enemies clearly see your figure approaching, unlike the mark
I'm quite upset with what they did to natalia I hate her as the jungular And now she can't stay invisible near the enemy That was part of the fun of being Natalia And if you wanted to stop her if she was becoming scary All you need is a hero with AOE
yeah totally agree like Saber can easily kill her
She's still good at playing ambush and do quick kill, basically like Hilda. But for roam, not that great, I mean you can help teammates to get vision of enemies around the map, but you also need some gold to buy equipment so you have more benefit to get kills. Basically low HP Hilda.
Its funny she’s supposed to be main one that’s whole point is being invisible but now is the worst compared to the other 3 in terms of visibility.. the unlimited duration and faster camouflage can only help so much only for faster and smoother roaming around the map and perhaps quickly escape, but being that she’s now ALWAYS visible making enemies have easier reaction time to aim their skills at her.. hope they’ll fix the obvious bugs and maybe make her more transparent and remove the glow on her claw to enemies
this "buff" was definitely made with jungle Nat in mind, for roam Nat this is 100% a NERF.
Moontoon made very clear that roamer natalia isn't a thing. They'll keep adjusting her until people stop playing with her as roamer
@@RodrigoMartins-bk6fe jungle natalia will probably never be stronger than roam natalia unless she recieves a complete revamp. her kit just doesnt work as a jungler and its so frustrating that moonton doesnt accept that
@stinker I'm not arguing otherwise, but natalia roamer was annoying as fuck to fight against, theres almost no counter play, besides grouping up, thats why moontoon is adjusting her constantly. In all honesty, i dont know how saber didnt get the same treatment, there's not much for you to do against him either. I guess he's not as popular.
@@RodrigoMartins-bk6fe nata can be counter easily. Just build antique cuirass and she become useless
@@RodrigoMartins-bk6fe Nata right now is one of the least picked heroes. Saber is one of the top picked heroes 😑
If montoon makes her camouflage like amons or like Lesley's at her last seconds of camo I think Natalia would be back in the meta with a big spike in power and jungle clear plus passive flexibility.
Amons camo is actually pretty great and without an exclamation mark as well as being able to keep the passive without a bush she's gonna be an unstoppable force!
Me as Natalia user who constantly wins: Even not in meta I still dominate the game lol 😂
Enemies already inside the bush and seeing Natalia approaching: Wut the dog doin?
yeah but ammon can kill its target instantly(its annoying ultimate) while Natalia Needs to combo where she can be stunned and die plus those MM can use Wind Chant to counter her for 2 seconds (how convenient) . while Ammon got no problem as he deals magic damage. I believe it can be countered using the ice thing that freeze its user but nobody will use it MM or rather rarely at it doesn't increase the stats of a marksman.
@@user-mc9lp9jy1i natalia can wait out wind chant with her 2nd skill for 4 sec invincibility against mms
@@buymemrlbro yeah but here in the Ph Rank most MM doesn't go alone especially in higher ranks and most of pick are AoE and Stun (Good for Sustain)
In my opinion i think they want Natalia to be good in team fights and it really helps her to go back in team fights to her time adjustment
Its a big nerf. Enemy can see her now and she can no longer detect enemy in bushes. Even if she dont enter bushes, like just walk near it, enemy can attack her. She can no longer ambush properly since even in camouflage, you can see her within range.
after this new buff, u can literally hide in the same bush as the enemies and they will never know that ur there
how?
it was the oldest natalia who could do tjat
Wdym bro? kakasabi lang comuflauge sa video eh. Nanood kaba? Haha
@@ashuea2 I've seen a TikTok where it happens with Lesley, though Lesley's camo isn't sabotaged by a glowing effect on her weapon. 😂
Yeah bro they'll never know WITH THE GLOWING ASS CLAW BRO
putting aside the uniqueness being removed from natalia, i can see the potential of her being better than the current official server. But i would only decide whether it's good or not if they remove the glow from her claw and her claw mark above her head on the camo state
I know invisibility is literally a thing for Natalia players, but that infinite camouflage. Man... I literally think its more of a buff...
Like just how easy Natalia would be when it was like that to new players...
Just go inside a bush, wait for 1 sec, then you can roam wherever you want, not to mention, this is so much easy and kinda funny to think of many things that Natalia can do, because she had an INFINITE camouflage.
The only problem now is the glowing claw she had, and some other players didn't know the "outline" setting.
For me, it is a literal buff due to following:
1. Infinite Movement Spd.
2. Infinite Camouflage
3. Short Proc Passive
4. You can literally go anywhere without worrying about your passive, and it can be a hassle to think of that timer, that you forgot your next bush...
If you don't like it, then I don't have a problem, but this can be very easy and convenient to many players who suffers from playing Natalia, just like me.
The only cons of Natalia is that glowing claw of hers, maybe the devs really put it, due to how infinite her passive now, and some didn't knew about the outline...
So, its a win win...
Her infinite camoflauge is insane against those like Hilda that needs a target to use their skills.
But on god the fsct that she is so easily seen, when her whole damn thing is supposed to be "cant see me lol"
Molten essence
cinders can easily counter her
@@angelo0698 who tf is cinders
@@wicked-cardi6831 It doesn't work anymore
Her early game wr will increase but her late game wr will probably decrease slightly. Don't forget this is a huge buff if natalia's team is losing/under siege.
if the camouflage was like aamon's then yeah I'd consider, I love the new playstyle where you can get back to team fights or can defend better when in base so that's a quality of life right there.
As a Natalia main it's a nerf for me cuz i'm used to her invisible state and that where she's unique
Its pretty nice actually, Natalia is the only character I used from Master to Legend and I tried her new passive. It isnt that bad, although you might need to change a lil bit of your strategies from your past experiences. Its not yet official so lets calm down
real
yeah enemy just need to buy curse helmet and your dead
ngl when im trying a new hero i look your builds, then i run few games and then i tweak them slightly as our playstyle and preference are different (like most players, i have my own). 90% of the time, i use your builds as even without swapping an item or 2, they are pretty decent and get the job done.
I miss her full invisibility and 2 seconds silence. 😢
*sending hugs* also the full crit damage
Maybe. Like Aspirant side animation would be nice too.
I can smell the hit & run kit for natalia
That was a beautiful gank on Aamon 😂
The only useful thing is the time reduction to activate her passive and no need to enter the bush to reset her passive, tho if the camouflage is less obvious it should be better
People who are always fighting against people with below average eyesight: I see this as an absolute win!
With that passive she can jungle more easier but I suggest they also buff her 2 skill so she can chase the enemy while having immunity effect from enemy passive attacks
I really like how that aamon called natalia a coward even though that's her playstyle
He's just salty 😂
i started playing ml few months ago and she is my first and fav assassin I prefer invisibility rather than camouflage
I consider it a buff because not only does it take only a second for her passive to recharge, but also the timer bar, I'll share with you this one experience when I had a Philippines No. 35 badge, I really got angry because I had to use my sense of time in place of sound because my phone's speaker was broken, and I showed up four times early! a string! During that time, I had three different emotions: rage, irritability, and shame. Oh man, I really need to test other heroes because I believe that if this new natalia adjustment was introduced, she would constantly be listed under the banned heroes. By the way, Elgin can you try Roamer Natalia? Pretty Please??
The glow on her claw is too much though..
And here I was thinking of maining Natalia 😭
NATALIA: I JUST LOVE THE SMELL OF FEAR
I think finally Natalia is already balance now if it is going to an official server
Not related to the video but What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain? I just want to know because I'm planning to main him, is he still good at mage build? About the heal of second skill?
lil bit off topic, but the "high and dry" name in official server is actually now "master assasin". i was also shocked when i noticed this
Not related to the video but What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain? because I hear bane second skill has been adjust
for me its a balance adjustment but they need to remove the glow effect on her claws and her passive icon effect
Elgin, do you think the new emblem system will revive old heroes? What are your thoughts since you have been using it?
its always satisfying whenever enemy teams are fighting with each other.. hahah they lose focus and sometimes they just give up and feed
What i think will be cool to add for Natalia (One of them will be nice).
- After a couple of seconds, a mark will be placed on one random enemy. Natalia will be completely invisible for that enemy. Refreshes after the enemy is killed by Natalia. Maybe she gains extra gold for killing her marked target.
- She is able to detect her surrounding area after every couple of seconds for Enemies, creeps, traps, etc. This enables her to detect enemies without actually being near the enemy. You know, just like the Hitman game.
- Natalia is able to see enemy footsteps at all times that traces to the enemy exact location. The footsteps will be revealed when Natalia is near and the footsteps hasn't faded. The furthest footstep will fade every like 3 - 5 seconds so Natalia need to follow the footstep before it all fades. She gains movement speed by following the footstep. Like Argus 2nd skill.
- Natalia is able to detect enemies with health 30% health or lower anywhere in the map. It will show her the exact location of an enemy. However, she won't know who the enemy is (Can be the Tank, Jungler, who knows). She gains movement speed when moving towards the target.
- Very straightforward, Natalia is completely invisible when moving behind the enemy. Away from the enemy hero's peripheral vision. She loses invisibility and becomes camouflage when moving infront of the enemy. This one is my favourite idea.
- Inside the smoke bomb, the enemy loses vision and cannot see anything beyond the smoke bomb area. With the addition of 75% slow, this will be annoying. Just like Helcurt's ultimate but only inside the smoke bomb.
- Very easy, bring back the exclamation mark for Natalia when there is an enemy in the bush. Too many heroes with AOE skills these days.
- Since you can see Natalia now, make the silence duration to like 1 second. This allows Natalia to attack without too much risk of dying.
*The idea of footsteps is hard to explain. Play the game called "Bullet Echo" and you can understand it.
Lol that literally blood seeker we need her like phantom assassin from dota.
1:05 they should make it affected by cooldown reduction
If they want to nerf natalia's invisibility, they should do it in other ways like adding wards or bringing back the old harper spell.
I like it but I think it should be more like Aamon or Lesley, no camouflage. But maybe they made it camouflage since it lasts so long now
Thats too OP. I have been waiting months to get a buff on nat.
Not related to the video but What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain?
if they want to keep that kind of thing on natalia i'd suggest remove the immune skill in her second skill change it to damage reduction smoke in that way its balance
10:53 - 10:58. Mostly a buff for me.
Thanks for the tip on how to "treat" a trash talker. I sometimes lose because of them.
Her invisibility is her signature… damn moonton
I just missed the old scratching ulti of natalia. With the new adjustments, natalia users will go full burst and forgetting the atk speed natalia equipped with inspire. 😢
I think instead of having an exclamation mark, she’ll have the camouflage state instead, but still keep the invisibility. Losing invisibility is just a massive lost in my assassin.
Dude that Aamon is something, I bet it's so fun getting a team like that.
Hoping they(moonton) can do something about the inspire spell, that's thing so freaking danger ft. mm(miya,ww,moskov,...).
To be fair, they removed the duration of her "invisibility"
And also decreased the time she needs to be in the bush to be invisible
They nerfed her invisibility, but it is much faster in terms of rotation
There is no exclamation mark when you try to enter a bush so u don't know weather their is enemies present there or not. By this nerf, she no longer has the roaming n vision capabilities as she can be easily ganked if she tries to enter a bush with enemies in it cuz she is no longer invisible, only camouflage.
@@draconicrayquaza9106 The exclamation mark goes both ways
The enemies won't know you're there when they enter the bush
@@Jays_MotionLess but roam Natalia will be affected by this change
@@draconicrayquaza9106 Not that much really, they only need to remove the glow on her claw when she's concealed and it's good to go
I find it interesting as I can roam much faster without needing to go through each bush, and it's not having the enemy know that I'm close when ganking
Still, I don't think this adjustment will ever make it to official server
@@Jays_MotionLess she's clearly visible with that glowing claw ....are u kidding me...take away alu lifesteal or chou ultimate...it's like that
Other than the camouflage everything is perfect. They should replace the camouflage with her old invisibility again
For me this is a big nerf both in her game play and uniqueness, invisibility is her thing it's what defines her and the exclamation point was very useful, yes it goes both ways but at the very least u can know if there's enemy and retreat or kill also roam nata is and will and still be more superior than jungler nata the removing the invisibility will be like them removing Argus his imortality and changing it to damage reduction, it will remove the very thing that makes her her.
Edit:Bit of grammar I'm not good with english yet since it's my third language.
To make not a nerf they should make her passive like the old playstyle that you have to go to bushes to become invis and after going out the bush 2 sec it will become a camouflage just to keep the old play style👍
Its strategic function is not only a nerf, but it is completely gone. You can't position yourself behind enemies using only her invisibility. You have to do it just like any other assassins. Tactical use of it is a buff. It is now permanent once activated, so she can roam faster, and it activates faster in bush. I imagine a sidelane playstyle for Natalia. She can keep harassing her opponent using her passive and 1st skill. Despite all of these, that glowing pink effect on her claws plus a glowing pink mark above her head ruins her concealment. Why bother giving her conceal when you want enemies to see her? Isn't conceal's function is to make enemies see you harder? It should function just like any other conceal like Aamon, Lesley and conceal roaming item. Otherwise, they should've made her untargettable or immune to basic attacks and point activated skills. This also means, her 2nd skill will have a somewhat redundant function.
Bro im still gonna be passin thru bushes just out of habits 😭
Its honestly still a big nerf since I can see her coming and attack her and cancel her invis unlike before where only an exclamation mark would appear and I would have to guess where to attack because I can't see her
The experimental that we dont want it, i hope they realize it just like mino, since he doesn't have rage bar
Just make her harder to detect by removing the glow
And I hope they do the same for helcurt, his red/blue buff is usually visible even in dark night that it help to locate him
actually auto skills can target him even if not in sight so he is not really invisible inside dark night area
And something else, I hope they change the silence in helcurt first skill into a stun (or just add immobilize) because new sprint can be casted while silenced/stunned and helcurt first skill is so narrow it can't hit a target that is immune to slow effects like this
I hope they make it into immobilize+silence cz stun is overpowered for an assassin like him
I think they should make her totally invisible in the bushes. with a ! but not camouflaged outside.
Moonton ignoring gloo being able to spam skill: “😅”
They should have retain the invisibility, and make a gem of true sight available in the item shop
I think its a big nerf cuz the mark help to find enemy and natalia only has invis to fight so if she not complete invis and have as much invis as Lesley they should change here ultimate
Natalia seems pretty fun to play with this experimental buff.
Molten Essence is waving!!
I think it is a pretty good trade because of faster passive activation
It nerf for late game but buff for early since in early not many Hero can burst her since they remove his warning Mark but in late you got to be careful since the warning Mark is gone and enemy can see you in camuflage form the enemy mage can easyly burst you to death (unless it lock skill mage)
Imo a buff as a jungler but a big nerf as a roamer, as a roam nat I'll miss my exclamation mark .w.
The reworks:
1 sec conceal - useful but not a must, more escape chance but with camouflage instead of invisible enemy may still know my location when trying to escape, causing them to aim some skills at my direction, rather than confusing them with invisibility for a few milliseconds.
Forever passive - Very useful when there's no useful bushes, for example base is surrounded by enemies, invading enemy bases
Exclamation mark - Nerf, its not like removing exclamation mark from enemies gives Nat any advantage, if there's an exclamation mark, you'll get hunted down by nat and you know it, also it makes them fear that nat is nearby and you can run to other lanes cuz why not. Also not knowing enemies in bush is just a direct nerf.
Tbh I like the change I just wish she had better camouflage and the ! Indicator back
have you tried using a different skin for that glowing effect?
imagine if moonton addes some hp regen to his passive
well, i hope they can increase her damage in skills or buff her crit damage.
2:38 I guess a basic attack won't interrupt the invisibility process of Natalia.
I just realized Natalia can drive with Johnson now, the combo will be deadly
It's a nerf for me since if shes fully invisible even with the marker il'l definitely won't have time to try and look for markers if there's a team fight going on
lmao that Aamon calling ppl coward but he walks with their team most of the time XD
In my opinion i think the invisible still better. I guess instead of making it camouflaged just make it that natalia can easily bring back the invisible state 1 second is she already fine (plus scary too)
I am not really an assassin user. But i like playing natalia. For me its just balance since the camouflage will not disappear plus you can easily activate it again for 1sec. So its "kinda" fair that they put camouflage instead of invincibility. Coz when you compare it to lesly and aamon. Their invincibility will not last long.
What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain?
if the claw dont glow i think i will be much better if montoon want it to go this route.
No Nata player, but I play against her often at advanced and it seems to be a nerf.
Good thing is Natalia now no need relay bushes to maintained her Camouflage.Bad thing is now Natalia Invisibility completely gone now.I liked Old Natalia where she completely Invisible but now Natalia can see by her both detection and Camouflage.
we need exclamation marks with miya's invisibility, at least with lvl 3 ultimate, she's tooooooo op in late game
As I already said under other videos about this topic, I think that her Ultimate should give her true invisibility, because with the revamp it's pretty much pointless.
Its a good idea but she will lose her status as the invisible lady that fanco always hook. To prevent that I suggest they rework her ult, make it turn Natalia fully invisible for a few seconds instead of camouflage.
I absolutely agree about the ult.
Sad that my team Franko's can't hook Natalia's anymore
I’d say buff cuz faster passive activation and no exclamation mark and also she’s permanently camouflaged without having to recharge in bush making her roam faster. Camo cannot be seen in map or be targeted by locking attacks. Idk if y’all noticed, they have a loading indicator to let the player know how long she’ll take to camouflage.
Still prefer her invisibility. I’d say her most balanced state was her before she had adjustment on her ult last year (i think).
nah they should fix/remove light indicator on his hand(passive+heptasis)
Natalia was an assassin whose usage difficulty was on par with helcurt and Lancelot. Now she's like an hero even a newborn kid can use
7:50 I didn't know Karrie 2nd skill can hit Natalia when she's invisible, just like Valentina's 2nd and Lunox 1st skill 😮