IS IT OVER FOR NATALIA ROAMERS?
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2022
- IS IT OVER FOR NATALIA ROAMERS?
With Natalia's latest adjustment, is it time to say goodbye to roaming?
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It's definitely harder to do roaming Natalia. Her ult is way too long if we didn't kill any jungle creeps. And jungle Natalia is kinda hard to play in certain situations. You have to run away to the bush or kill some creeps while the full-on war is still ongoing, especially when it's a war inside the base tower whether it's yours or the enemies.
I agree even in late game the ult takes way too log to reset, risky move to use her ult in team fught & escaping
I did the roam Natalia it wasn't hard I understand of its situation so once I was at the above level I am about to kill the creeps to restock the ultimate and join the gank if needed
@@doggywithatigryplushie3457 good play
Think about it though as roam Natalia it's easier to steal creeps now
@@gaminbros316 exactly
Being roamer as the new natalia is alot harder now since u have to atleast steal a few creeps from the jungler to lower ult cds, and that kinda messed up abit of how she used to work. So ig nata jungler is the new norm xD
Speaking about junglers, can u try martis as the jungler? Bcz since most junglers are strong early game snowballers, he’s the perfect candidate once he gets ult, is always active in fights and cleans them up like a Physical Karina (you can watch my newest martis montage for example xD). Just hoping u could try him as the jungler soon to show more exposure to martis :3
as for emblem, i suggest using Assassin emblem with killing spree talent so he can always sustain from the heal and gets extra mov spd for every kill plus perfectly stacks with his ult. Build can be by ur preference :3
You've really been requesting many ytbers to try martis,you must rlly like him eheheh
@@marctony8483 not only that, but also wanna increase his popularity xd
Why steal creeps from the jungle if you can steal from the enemy jungle? This is what I do:)
By the way, Ruby main here☺️
As someone who plays Marksmans alot , I think this change might indirectly raise the popularity of MM's like Lesley ( Her ult can locate Natalia even while invisible) , items like wind of nature and force people to have more map awareness.
But it's definitely gonna be harder playing generally squishy roles like mage and MM's 😖
Yep, Lesley is a direct counter to Natalia, Natalia got nerfed (damage, cooldown) and Lelsey is getting revamp + buff (faster s2, overall damage buff). Lesley enjoyers will be having it good.
and the fact that they are actually buffing Lesley
Lmao nah, her dmg was nerfed in general, gonna be mm meta next season with the new talents system, off tank marksmans like Brody, granger or bea gonna be more difficult to kill, not lesley lmao, yea she has that ult, but it's easy to scare her to use it lol
@@juanitoarmandomesa9485 Naaah it's the mage meta that's rising not mm
@@doses9177 I don't know what to say about you
11:22 this part got me holding my breath in fear coz I know all too well how frustrating a defeat is if it's an epic comeback
Lol 😂
tip: use natalia's ulti/passive to push turrets if the enemy is distracted on the other side of the map and the enemies are ahead in farm. The enhanced basic attack also triggers on turrets.
Good tip
her skill 2 can increase her attack speed also. Good for turrets.
I think the new meta for this natalia: 2 jungler (natalia invading) roaming item mage. then usual xp laner and gold laner. Natalia will still play the roaming playstyle while invading and stealing objectives.
This reminds me of the Funnel Strategy for some reason lol
Yeah good luck for your team not be angry
@@dr0wn8888 We tried this strat. 100% requires a squad to work.
@@rusheru7787 yeah, for more cooperation
@@dr0wn8888 ye the team be like. "I pick Leyla and me need tank in 1v1, roam need go only with mm, not with jungler." Ahaha
i still think she's better as a roam she can steal but can't compete retri battle with other heroes. because once she's visible there's probably 3 hero chasing her right away. i know, because i used to main her
Yeah but the ult takes too long.
I agree....she can still erase mm/mage easily with roam+execute..making the team's life easier
2:33 imagine being leomord lmao
Nice edit.. Do you edit it yourself? or do you have an editor?
Awesome bro I love it full sapport from Sir Roger Channel 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's hard to use her now 😭😭😭
I'm more on a roamer than being a core. It's a bit pressure since they always rely and put the blame on you if the team losses rather than a roamer where your presence doesn't matter.
Yes she's much harder and I really don't like the new natalia. You need to wait for stack 2 of her ult to get absolute solo kill in early to mid unlike before. Plus her ult take so long to stack. I don't really feel her dmg even with direhit so maybe natalia is now suited as jungle which is disappointing but at the same time not. I'm not a jungler player and I loved using natalia( bc she's the assassin that is not often use as jungler) but now's the time I stop playing her.
@@lalalunaaaaa692y just kill the beetle jungle creep that resurrects for fast 2 stack then after killing someone visit the enemy's side beetle.
Yes, she is changed and kind of different now with her old gameplay, but little was changed with my gameplay with her, she is still awesome as a roamer, it is just that her ult is kind of restricted now because of long cooldown especially on early game, but I can counter on late game now since I can just kill small jungle creeps from junglers since they don't really put their attention on them that much, and her cooldown is shorter since there is a bigg cooldown cut on her ult
This is kinda a bad change for her since the first reason why they changed her is to 'help her take out multiple enemies better' but now it's changed to jungling easier.
Good precise idea and saying
Imagine she still gets used as roam so she can help junglers farm faster😭😭😭😭
The quality of the video is excellent.
Nope, Natalia is still a good roamer
I’ve been playing jungler Natalia since the update to her, she’s really good still if you know how to play her and use her últ properly, I’ve gone matches with 25 kills and 3 deaths the problem is that in a team fight she’s v v ineffective which is bad since you want your jungler to still be able to do something in team fights, you have to be v v sneaky and a bit lucky in team fights to catch a quick kill and run away. I’ve also noticed that her últ now let’s you be invisible even if you get hit right when you use it which is big as you’re not wasting your últ like it used to be
I honestly think roaming fits her assassin's role better and i think roam natalia is unique unlike other assassins that don't perform well roaming. The update made her a "just like" any other assassin. It's boring. Once again they ruined her.
ok
Yeah sure
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She’s trash now. Got to USA top and now I can’t do shit with her.
1:36 i think its better off killing the moskov instead since hes the better target and already alone in the bush, leomord might not have time to react if you kill moskov fast, besides hes low hp for nat. fast and good target picking is very important for natalia
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@@RapBopzShorts sorry i have game sense and had time to write an essay, and youre prob mythic 5
@@luquiten 🤡
8:43 “with the lord on our side” amen! 🤣💀
They could've also made her ultimate get the 50% cooldown when she gets a kill. It could help her a bit since I play her as a sidelaner and only as a jungler if I'm being forced to
exactly what i was thinking while watching the video
0:42 I like the name of the build 😂😂
7:17 wow that transition
I usually use the passive-Basicattack-1-ult-basic-1
And i always aim the 1st to the enemies back bc natalia have another passive that if u attck enemy in their back the basic att dmg gets higher
I am still playing nata as roam after new adjustment still she is beast 👀
After her adjustment I'm using natalia roam with inspire
@@whatamistudio2557 xD nice but I still playing with execute and it's still good :)
@@chitaranjan8067 but her early damage is too low now u need to build at leat 3 items to instant kill mm. And mages by that time mm also gets farm
She’s so much weaker now. How is she a “beast”
@@dark2520 mid game natalia:am I a joke to you
May I know how to display items below the map ?
This game role is very flexible, although they make that change, I think she can still be a roamer
I believe most people use her as roamer is for the ability to poke the enemy while being agile and not mainly because of her damage so personally this change are not really matter
I mean I play her as roamer but at the late game she is more like a pusher while truly back to be an assassin
Now with the ability to decrease cooldown after killing jungle creeps she is the ultimate assassin roamer anyone can ever ask 😅
Oh god I'm now regretting my decision of buying her starlight, because the main reason I did it is because of me using her as more of a roamer rather than a jungler but after the update it's quite hard to do those anymore (it only doubles because of the fact she also relies too much on her passive unlike other assassins.)which I literally hates because I think it would have been better if I just waited for a more better option.
when your a natalia user. even being a roamer with this new update its still good, its just need an adjustment to the player who gonna use it. its just accepting whats the changes on its abilities
I think she should get cd reduction on killing an enemy too, so she could finish and escape simultaneously
2:33 best part for me
@Elgin, When will these runes be implemnted in original server?
I just take the beetle+mini beetle whenever my jungler is on the opposite side of where i am
After that, back to roaming
Is that Naruto-Silhouette at the end lmao
A roam for sure, she's better to be a solo role than being in a team fight
0:41 kalmot build i can't stop laughing at that part and also I quit using execute on natalia,instead im using inspire to fast kill squishy heroes with the roam dire-hit when playing her in solo rank even in classic mode
I m Natalia main user bro, roaming still kinda good late game but jungling is my new role now hehe 😊❤️
Here's a hard Natalia combo to those who want enemies to disappear instantly:
Passive - Basic Attack - First Skill - Ulti - Basic Attack - first skill - (Either use second or ulti to finish them of "or" just use second for basic attacks then use ulti to run away)
I recommend for those who wanna use this combo at practice mode cuz it kinda needs a bit of practicing :>
Stay safe y'all!
The hardest combo for her is Paesive Basic 1st Ult Basic 1st ult basic Also I do guardian helmet on her to not waste time by recalling to base I get it after Blade of heptaseas
10:33 that's what happen you don't hear what an strategies said and that will happen I've done that many to tell my to do this and that but they have free will and hard headed So i give up and just play it, when playing an tank it's annoying if you ult got all but team is not there
Thanks for nata combo,i always p-b-1-3-b-1-2(p=passive b=basic attack), that's why enemy can kill me before i kill them
Awesome now my roaming invade gameplay is enhanced even better, I like stealing the enemy jungle creeps while waiting for openings, that way the enemy jungler has less farm
The New Emblem system is actually op for natalia, so i kinda understand why they don't want her ultimate to have a reduce cooldown when killing enemy hero
The finale song was silhouette
What makes her amazing is her rotation and early game power. Jungle Natalia basically kills her main purpose because she already deals good damage plus CC right from the start. Which is why Roamer Natalia or Midlane Natalia works very well because she can gank easily. Moonton made Natalia bad again.
Is it only me or when I'm playing natalia, I usually locked the hero first using the hero lock mode but when I'm attack the enemy suddenly natalia aim the minions or creeps. Anyone encounter this problem?
If you play Natalia, make sure if you have full stack, on ultimate, and used it again, if you have second skill and push the base, and don't let those marksmen will target you, make sure you have tank on your side... That's how could works I was solo play using Natalia... pretty impossible to use, if you already on late game, you will be crushed or killed by those marksmen that they support the tank.
5:45 a stronger combo (before patch) is
Passive-Basic-1-Ulti-Basic-1
I noticed some teams use Saber as roam and played like a roam Natalia. I wonder why can't we see more team compositions like this. If your jungle is a Tank, can we have a burst assassin as a roam. I want to see Karina, Harley, Lancelot, Gusion, Aamon and Helcurt as roamers. 😂😂😂
Helcurt need farm for [demon hunter sword] (idk correct item name, sorry for mistake)
As fast as he can!
@@slashlightvine1139 some pro player used him as mid I think
ye I play Saber as Roam or Side laner it's fun :]
mpl ph blacklist vs nxpe game 3, saber roam vs jungle natalia, i mean yeah, it's actually true, as long as you have tank junglers like akai
They are need gold bruh
7:19 I WAS SOOOO CONFUSED HOW DID HE 1 HIT THE LORD. BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE POWER OF EDITING 😭😭
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It's been a year, that your tower and etc are darker than the original colors.
I suggest you get the back-up files from @iSnip, to fix it.
i dont think the video answers the caption. Doing good on Nat jungler os not enough to say that Nat roamer wont be advisable anymore.. It will, though if you had still use her as roamer despite the changes
Nice gameplay my idol ❤️
I hate how Moontoon don't want unorthodox Roamers like Natalia, Popol and Jawhead
They keep nerfing them until they are not viable as roamers
They were not too OP and no one bat an eye when they were roamers
But no, Moontoon just wants us to follow what their Role Labels are
Smh
Yet they made adjustments to help tanks to jungle 😂😂😂
They made her focus only on jungling, not ganking
Natalia early-mid game almost doesn't exist
7:20 u got me there💀
It's soo annoying when they don't listen and don't let them outside their base to gank them then they get killed.... that was very specific but it's very common for me
Wait does Elgin made a video about hanabi being revamp? I'm excited for hanabi's revamp
i’m all for players making different experiment with their hero, i think the developers forcing this kind of adjustment is ehh..,
may be natalia players wanted this in the first place i have no clue.
i suppose it’s for the better ..?
Intellectual : isn't a jungler count as "roamer"?
Kinda yes and no, since Jungler spent most of their time roaming in jungle in early game
I still prefer to play her as roamer because of the dire hit passive. When I need to recharge the ulti I just take the enemy's cockroach
Kapag nasa base na yung clash, check check ka muna kung mag kaclash na tapos hanapin mo yung mm or mage pag pawala na yung passive ult ka kasi kaya mo na burst yun mga yun ng 2 hits + 1st skill palayo double dash dahil sa likod ka naman nila napupunta after ng enhance attack. Ingat lang sa aoe skills, assassin emblem na may movement speed para madali ka makailag. Overall mas trip ko padin ang nata roam, mas nakakatakot kalaban.
Hi. Ask ko lang how to remove the beta issue? Thank you!
good game brother 😍
eh i still use roamer natial besides, if i need my ult charged i just take the bug buff thing in the bottom lane :>
I hate how Moonton pushes heroes to be specific to one main role (in this case, a jungler) really makes it kind of dull imo. Anyways, the good thing for this change is the ultimate change. Yes the cd is too long but then again, the second part is no longer timed, giving you a broader tactical option.
Seems like u forgot Natalia is auto locked to be a jungler in her revamp, her ult has 60 sec each charge which means picking her as a sidelaner is a troll pick
I all ready play Natalia this season and Natalia is op but you need to a good play to max her out her ability
I m a natalia user and i use -passive ,basic attack ,1st ,ult ,1st and ult if target not ded . Squisy don’t ve time to react to this combo :)
Aamon being the new roam Natalia: “Savage!” “Wiped out”
I just saw this like 2 hour ago, I destroy amon with my Hilda 😂
@@multatuli1 either that aamon was bad or your reallly good with hilda, bc hilda is a bad pick for aamon because of his camouflage skill… tho I guess hilda users can still get around with this
@@klassyplays4324 my Hilda roamer never had any problems against Natalia and aamon, Hilda skill 2 could still chase while they're running+hiding.
But the most scenario that happened was I always on the bush first and ambushing them.
@@multatuli1 yea that’s one of their weaknesses, using the bushes and also getting the shield from hilda. Gotta say your pretty good 😀
Question: why don't people use marksman emblem on natalia. Workshop emblem give 15% extra damage from equipments where as assassin emblem(single target) give only 7% to single target.
She can invading enemies if you play her as jungler/roamer
Natalia jungle maybe efficient in some ways but for me making her roam dire hit is still better. That 16% max hp damage of dire hit can make high hp heroes to become squishy. Moreover, if you're a good natalia user, you can still survive even late game
I agree on the last part 10:53 when natalia is in the enemy base it can be useless since its about the passive and you have to run back to the bush again outside when the passive is out and knowing your role as a natalia is core and jungler you also play a big role. So i hope they can do something about it since those are critical moments
actually nata is great all around the match even in late cus you have smoke for anti basic attack and silence for skill caster just be smart and strike at the most perfect moment
Finnaly... the natalia jungle has back
keep up bro!! i hope one day my channel and videos will recognize someday!🥰
How u got mini build viewer under your map😢😢😢
Do a vid about the new talent in beta test
natalia already had 2 charges but this new update made her ulti just 1 charge and you need to wait for the cooldown to make it 2 unlike before its instant 2 charge it only coolsdown when used but after using both it instantly goes back to 2 charge after cooldown.. since natalia was release all update from her are lowering her attack power I never saw any increase stat update.. better delete that character if its just getting all nerf update
The edit at 7:19 was way too clean. I had to rewind and check the time to make sure that I wasn't seeing Natalia 2 shot lord x.x
The funniest thing is that Natalia comes at me when im playing Terizla and the exp fed me cuz i guarded the minions denying him of the exp carts. Natalia tries something, i smash with 2nd skill a few times, heal thru bloodlust axe and then ULT for the 3rd killing blow of 2nd skill... I play dmg build with both axes and either Hunter Strike or BoD. Also play dominance ice and immortal with vengeance. Although its been weaker since 2nd skill dmg nerf and passive dmg red nerf, Terizla is still strong in lategame as he can ult the enemy dmg dealer before they can burst him down, resulting in a great teamfight advantage plus he can survive if the tank dives in time, resulting in certain 3rd hit of 2nd skill and massive heal from bloodlust axe. The build has 40% CD reduction and if there are 3 squishies you can go 30% CDR by taking BoD for extra 25% dmg for 3s, securing squishies.
That Natalia you are playing with is dumb, why would she go to exp lane, it's better if she roamed instead. (But maybe exp lane is playable it depends on the enemy) And if she knows how terizla works she won't attack you carelessly. If it's me, I won't target you unless you have a very very low health. Because I can silence you first and finish you. Then I'll priotize the squishy heroes. Lastly, Natalia shouldn't attack the fighter first in the teamfight 🗿.
Full damage terizla sounds so painful to hear. Sure you add 2 def items but man he only need 1 or 2 damage items and the rest defense
same here , i used Natalia jungler after the update and what i got from random teammates is eerie remarks 😂 but we won . 27 kills on my part , 2 turtles and 2 lords , 11 deaths btw 😂 . she's balance, can be still a roamer with DIRE HIT . with full burst phy pen build .
I think roam Natalia stilk works. Just more on invading after ganks rather than just purely ganking.
11:56 slashy slashy (and look at the turret going down)
Seeing Elgin using nata, i remember the time where i will instantly pick vexana when the enemy pick nata. After get my 2 main item, i will start hunt nata's down. And i caught her most of the time. After that i will ult her and she die. It was fun. The nata even accuse me of using map hack. It's her fault for having such easy movement prediction.
4:25 how to check popularity?
Why is she suddenly getting popular now 😃😃
I like ulti cool down when kill enemy more
Curse Helmet: Okay
Can they buff or help Selena seems like her main role now is roam or only place she fits in the meta is support bec the jungle system has change so much Selena can't jungle as well as she did before and completely fell out and barely keeping up with the meta if she's not a roamer she doesn't have good clear not even good dmg without her marks and her traps aren't even permanent she just needs a buff to become a jungler or at least a decent exp laner
I second that
Last adjustment were better when you kill enemy she get ult charge again
krezy rapid boots
nataila is now like saber
I think you can play her as a jungler, but only as a counterpick, becouse she can easily be countered by tanks
I miss the Roam Natalia
It's better if you recieve charges by killing an enemy hero instead of a creep.It'll be a problem for her if the enemies commit mass extinction in the jungle and leave none for her to kill.
moonton should grow some bush inside the base.. lol xD
Change her passive if she didn't attack for 3s or 4s she become invisible
If Natalia is roam they just bully squishy jungler or sidelaner if it's jungler Natalia there's disadvantage when clashing enemy base and Natalia is squishy against not squishy heroes it just depends what heroes their up against