Did The UK Just Vote For A Left Wing Landslide??
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In many places Labor lost support and won because the Tories lost more
Labour
Honestly, they coud've done with someone better than Starmer. He's not even media trained and it leads to some really awkward moments. I'm worried because, for Labour, this is a huge chance for them to undo all the big-money focused right-wing policies, but they have absolutely no plan to do so. The Lib Dem manifesto was colourful with a lot of ambitious policies, but Labour's pretty much said "We're going to reduce crime by getting more police, we're going to reduce NHS waiting times and we're going to build houses," they didn't really explain in detail how they want to do any of this.
@DefaultMale_ As an outsider, Starmer strikes me as a status quo centrist, thus unlikely to do anything that will actually benefit anybody but those who are already benefiting from the system the way it is. I expect that very little will appreciably change for most UK citizens and that suits the Rupert Murdochs of the world just fine... The illusion of democracy continues with the oligarchs and aristocrats laughing all the way to the bank.
did you watch the video
@@kawcio1516 the tends in the video show this
I'm not from the UK, so I may not be picking up all the intricacies of this election, but to me, this election wasn't so much a endorsement of the Labour party, and it was more a rejection of the current state of the Tories.
That's about the size of it.
That's exactly what it was.
Pre-election YouGov polling released stats on "What do Labour voters say their main reason for backing the party is?"
The top 3 are:
48%: "To get the Tories out"
13%: "The country needs a chagne"
5%: "I agree with their policies"
And it continues onwards with more statements with ever diminishing percentages.
Yes, but also no. It is very much the Case that Tory support collapsing is responsible for the results. However, the actual vote shares don't indicate actual support for either the Lib Dems or Labour.
Tactical vote g was so significant in this election that it's effect was visible in the polls. People were unusually willing to vote for the non-Tory front runner, even if they would really prefer a different candidate. That distorts the numbers.
Likewise, a glance at vote efficiency - how many votes it took each party to win each seat - shows that Labour was deliberately perusing a strategy of winning as many seats as possible by the smallest margins possible.
It's basically a perfect example of why first past the post sucks, but it's not a great indication of 'real' support for each party.
I think it safe to say neither party is trusted, labour has a lot of people who mindlessly vote for Labour every election because of generational class habits (which is their right so more power to them). same with conservatives, you can see the huge flip to these third-party options as s a big middle finger to the two big boys it just doesn't reflect in the system we have in this country that pretty much guarantees 1 of them the win
yes, nobody really moved to labour. some moved to greens tonnes moved to reform and a decent amount moved to the liberal democrats. shame is only he lib dems and plaid got roughly the correct amount of seats
Fewer people voted for Starmer's Labour Party than voted for Corbyn's Labour Party when he lost in 2019.
Says a lot considering how disliked Corbyn rightfully was / is
@@_felixg84What did Corbyn do wrong?
@@tempejkl Refusing to address the antisemitic issues in the party, wanting to leave NATO, terribly weak politician who runs on sensationalism Difficult to argue with you since you have marx as your pfp I doubt youll believe anything anyone says thats not in the commie echo chamber
@@tempejklWore a raincoat at a cenotaph. Need I say more?
Nah, more people voted for Labour this year than Corbyn in 2019, however in 2017 Corbyn did get more votes and still lost so that's probably what you mean
almost 20% of the votes and 0.6% representation in goverment is crazy
*Almost 15%
The UK overwhelmingly voted against election reform in 2011. I think you guys are just not very good at making national decisions lol
First Past the Post is the enemy of democracy:
1997 - 13,518,167 (Blair)
2019 - 10,269,051 votes (Corbyn)
2024 - 9,686,329 votes (Starmer)
@@aightm8we voted against a specific form of voting called AV, a system that is notoriously less representative than FPTP. Clegg lost a lot of votes accepting this as the option. He should have walked away from the coalition.
@@supersuede91 You are forgetting to mention that this election has had the lowest voter turn out for the UK in the 21st century
Labour got way more votes than the Conservatives
faiza shaheen was dropped by labour and that's why the vote got so split there, if they hadnt dropped her, they would've definitely won the seat
yeah. i was watching on channel 4 when it happened, and i hated that harriet harman was putting the entire blame for it on faiza and how she seemed really angry at her, rather accepting that her party's the one more responsible for it
Keir Starmer is no Jeremy Corbyn - a centrist in fact compared to Corbyn.
Jeremy corbyn is now the bernie sanders of the uk
> "centrist"
> Thatcherite
Corbyn will always have my soul
hes centre-left like blair
the centre, where most people's beliefs lie?
No. The Labour Party are about ~1 million votes down from the last election. Reform and Liberal Democrat’s have taken a big chunk out of the Conservative vote. First past the post system is so weird and I’m not sure if I am fully supportive of it. Reform got 4 seats from 4 million votes yet the Liberal Democrat’s have 71 seats from 3 million
Edit: ok this has started a debate in the replies haha don’t mind me you carry on and I’ll get the drinks and snacks in guys
Yeah FPTP and the constant redrawing of electoral borders just serve to gerrymander and keep the mainstream parties in power.
The fact that it minimises influence of extremist parties in government is exactly why it is good.
clearly fptp prevents extremist parties from winning
@@MatthewRoles But not democratic
Reform really helped Labour out. They split the tory vote and cost Mogg, Liz Truss, annd others their seats
The reason for the Greens gaining rural North Herefordshire and Waveney Valley is in part because of the two different types of groups which the greens attract, those being environmentalists (in the cities) and conservationists (in the countryside).
No, the reason they got their 4 seats is because they bothered canvassing there.
If they had canvassed in more places they would have more seats, their morals & their policies are pretty sound.
Still, Short Money may pay for more canvassing at the next Election.
people switch between green/conservative all the time in europe. there's a significantly left wing faction *within* the green party but it's not a majority. there's no fundamental reason you couldn't be an environmentalist and have economically conservative views or vice versa. there's a german study (albeit a 10 year old one, but still) that showed two of the three biggest determinants of people voting green are the level of schooling and net income. think trust fund kids. they probably split pretty evenly between green on the liberal side and tory on the conservative side. labour and reform on the other hand are more plebeian choices. conversely my gramps who is social democrat to the marrow has a dislike of the conservatives and greens, because to him (and probably a lot of older labour types like him) both these parties smell of elitism and often feel patronising. likewise, i imagine both greens and tory voters care a lot about ideas of responsibility (fiscal or environmental respectively), they're both ostensibly more "cultured" types and people who live less precarious existences
not saying that greens / tories actually share a lot of policies in practice, just that voter flow between the two of them makes sense for the above reasons
@@patofficial5077yes there is, we can't conserve a dead planet. And conservative policies call for infinite growth above all else as they are a capitalist party.
I find it really interesting who likes the Green party, bcz I've got the experience of having a mum who's very, very environmentally focused and yet doesn't like the green party at all. She says all their policies would actually hurt the environment more than help in the long run & so ended up not voting at all in this election bcz she apparently couldn't bring herself to stand behind any of the parties.
@@alanhat5252 despite their wide appeal, they do not have the respurces to campaign in many seats, so specifically targeted these ones. now that they have grown and gained a bigger foothold in thisbgeneral election, hopefully they will begin to catch on and start canvassing in more seats accross the uk
Faiza Shaheen was NOT running on a "Gaza" platform. She had been campaigning on left wing policies for years as the labour candidate, before Labour removed her and parachuted in someone the locals didn't choose. It was labour that stole the election from themselves.
Thank you. I also found his comment there incredibly dishonest
Ibxtoycat when someone campaigns against genocide: 🤬🤬🤬🤬
You found a way to say what I said in fewer words.
@@queenchespinthat whole section has really made me go off him, apparently he thinks voting to stop genocide is a stupid thing to do?? Can’t say I’ll be watching anymore videos anytime soon
@@tylerrolfe8516 what's worse is he claims it's around ethnic reasons rather than just being anit genocide lol
Faiza Shaheen is not a case of racial politics. In Chingford, she was the labour candidate for 4 years, but she is a Corbynist, so Labour kicked her out 6 weeks ago and replaced her with a candidate from Wembley. This split the labour vote and let Iain Duncan Smith win with 17000 when Labour candidates won 24000
I still am baffled that the Green Party is rejecting plans for solar and offshore wind farms, like isn't the whole idea of green energy is to build those exact things???
i actually think its a good thing. Fossil fuel companies encourage energy like that due to the fact that it could never replace fossil fuels.
The true way to save the environment is through massive investments into nuclear energy worldwide, combines with renewable energy systems. Notice how fossil fuel companies hate nuclear as it can actually easily replace fossil fuels
I believe it's because both of those have other environmental concerns with them but I'm not sure
@@apexinstinct I know for offshore wind farms specifically, piledriving is a major concern because it can have massive impacts on marine life. Solar I'm not too sure on, though.
@@rowanfynn6518From memory solar panel recycling is very difficult, even more than wind turbine blades
@@rowanfynn6518 solar in britain is laughable
My analysis:
- Conservatives were unpopular
- Reform and Tories split the vote
- Labour under Starmer went moderate and centrist under Starmer
- Younger Labour voters were disappointed with Starmers handling of gaza, the parties left and Corbyn, unwillingness to raise taxes and some social issues like trans rights
- People protest voted cons by voting Reform, while also protesting Labour by voting the more progressive LibDems and Greens (Also thats why Corbyn won his seat by 15% even though he joined the race late)
- Thats why Labour didn't gain
- SNP ironically had the opposite effect due to people believing they were too progressive for the same reasons people in England thought Labour wasn't progressive enough
- However it seems to be more the problem that their previous popular leader Nicolar Sturgeon resigned after various scandals and Neither Hamza Yousseff nor John Swinney could return
- Also Labour and not the Conservatives are up in Scotland so it seems to be more internal issues within the SNP
In general I think its good to have more options in politics and there needs to be proportional election reform. I still get annoyed looking at the result of the 2011 Referendum.
I think the optics of the SNP hurt them a lot. I don't think people hate progressive policies, but some of what they rushed out was so poorly thought out that it risked actually imposing on peoples rights. Not to mention all the corruption scandals and leadership shake ups.
would like to offer my opinion on a couple of your points. i don’t think many people (if at all) protest voted against labour, merely they tactically voted to kick out the tories, which in some cases means voting lib dem, green or snp.
The SNP didn't collapse because they were too progressive. They collapsed because of the scandals and corruption the party has been mired in during the last few years.
It's genuinely weird to think that the LibDems are now positioned to the left of Labour-- if you look at history its origin was literally as a combination of the remnants of Gladstone's Whigs with right-wing Labour defectors. The whole point of it was to be a centrist alternative to the Labour/Conservative party system.
FPTP is weird, man.
@randomwaffler 5 pro-palestine independents won in seats that would have otherwise been safe for Labour. Wes Streeting (our new health secretary) clung onto his seat by 500 votes or so, almost losing to an independent. Kier Starmer, while still having a very comfortable majority in his seat, had that majority cut down by a massive amount and Andrew Feinstein, another pro palestine independent, came second to him with 7000 votes. Not to mention that Labour got 3 million fewer actual votes than in 2019.
The Tories have benefited from FPTP in every election I can remember (and that's quite a few). Now, it worked against them and centrists turned FPTP against them by organising tactical voting. "Tough luck" and more than just a little Karma. But seriously, it's a terrible system and it needs replacing with a proportional system that still preserves the notion of voting for a representative who's a member of your own community.
Those two ideas are mutually exclusive while individual communities have different problems.
This is not an unexplored idea, we can look at other attempts and their various failures in the world.
AMS would be a perfectly suitable alternative
@@PippetWhippet I wouldn't say failures but problems. Problems which are far smaller that FPTP. Example Germany you vote for your local representative + your vote is counted proportionally. Not entire parliament is made up of local representatives a part is added to preserve proportionality.
But simply ranked choice would already be fine if you ask me.
I think we work better with the system of local elections. You put a number beside the parties you want in more & this keeps it fair enough that a majority is favoured by the majority in a local area instead of it being split by this. Like we see with independants screwing over certain parties allowing for others to gain power. Same thing in Northern Ireland where the major loss of the DUP is mainly due to people not liking them after their not working for ages leading to them being screwed by many voting for either UUP, TUV, Alliance or Independants leading to some of the worst changes in unionism. But the nationalists have held together & haven't changed. However In strangford the SDLP lost a good share of its votes from Portaferry, Strangford & the surronding areas because Joe Boil didn't stand & instead Will Poland stood allowing the Sein Fein Noel Sands to win more votes, but then again I think Will Poland is a nice guy & if he works well he'll likely gain as much favour as Joe has by the next general election or local assembly election when that comes.
@@PippetWhippet
You can’t optimise both at the same time. But by combining multiple seats into one voting block you can have the top 3 or whatever all get a seat with STV. The representatives are less local, and it’s not perfectly representative, but it does still accomplish both to a decent degree
Turns out, when you mismanage the country, people vote for the other guy 😂
Now seems a good time to push for ranked choice voting. People of similar ideologies either splitting the vote or tactically voting is the reason certain parties won or lost individual seats, rather than being because their ideas were acceptable _enough_ to the majority of the electorate. Surely that must be obvious to all parties right now that sticking with FPTP is a bad idea?
Usually, when people criticize FPTP, they say that they need proportional representation. I like that you want ranked choice instead. I much prefer ranked choice to proportional representation because then you still have a representative for your area. Then, the UK regional parties would still be able to get representation.
most parties agree fptp is bad, but the 2 parties that it benefits the most, labour and tories, dont think its bad
No don't. IRV has "center-squeeze" and can (doesn't have to, though) still lead to a two-party system. If you want local representatives, use STV or approval, though I think nationwide PR is better overall.
Just run a second round with the two top candidates. The results would be a lot different, and more democratic.
I mainly suggest ranked choice voting because that's the system I'm familiar with here in Australia. And it can be applied on top of any other system! Eg in the lower house of our Parliament, the House of Reps, you put in your preferences for the single MP to represent your local seat. But for the upper house, the Senate, you're ranking your choices of parties for the 6 senators that will represent your state, which I guess is effectively a multi-member district. Basically, there's no reason _not_ to have ranked choice voting as the method for actually filling in your ballot paper. It means _nobody's_ vote goes to waste, no matter how minor the party or independent they wish to give their first preference to!
From what I’ve seen. Labour and the Lib Dem’s have switched positions on the political spectrum. Labour is now the centre party and the Lib Dem’s are now the Centre left party.
So I would not call this a left wing landslide. Because Labour right now are much more in the centre. They have purged the left wing of the party.
In fact, I think how far Labour have been pulled to the centre, it’s more so a win for the right. If you have 537 out of 650 seats not being centre left or proper left. You can’t really call that a left wing landslide.
Things may be different by 2029 however. I believe Starmer has purged the left of the Labour Party not because of his own political conviction but because thats what was needed to ensure Labour wasn't too 'far left' for the majority of people (I personally don't believe Corbyn's Labour was 'Far Left', he was no Michael Foot, and personally all I saw in Corbyn's Labour was a return to a system similar to that under the Post-War Consensus).
I do think Starmer's direction is the correct one though. I think the country needs to get back on its feet under moderate reform under the current system the Conservative's have established before making more radical changes, if he can get the country back on track under the limitations of the current system and funding, then I believe by 2029 the Electorate may be more convinced to trust Labour to make Corbynite and Leftist reforms. This election was about getting the Conservative's out and beginning the process of gradual change. It's all about trust and I do honestly think Starmer's got a good strategy. Also the Party's very rarely stick to their promises and direction so it is very possible by 2026 or 2027 the Labour Party could begin introducing left-wing reforms if the progress in getting the country functioning under the current system is quicker than expected.
Yeah politics is torn in our country. There is no clear right wing majority party anymore since reform has taken a lot of tory votes thanks to poor decisions and even labour votes in some cases. Labour are not really the party of the working class anymore even if that's the label they use. I think many just want to see an end to our two party system and that's why reform and lib Dems did well. Plaid gains in Wales, SNP losses to labour in Scotland thanks to shite snp leadership. I think most people can agree our elector system needs reform.
@@samuelsstuffyt I hope you’re right. But I’m not holding out complete hope.
There are a couple things that the Labour Party have said they would do though that could massively negatively affect me personally if they implement them though. I’m talking significant enough that with those implemented I may not make it to 2029. I have emailed my Labour MP in hope that he will try to move the Labour Party away from implementing that particular policy. But it is difficult to have hope. I don’t want the particular minority I am a part of to be the political sacrifice that is made for Starmer to implement good reforms on other matters.
@@LizardYup We need MMPR
both are left / far left
Labour isn’t left anymore
Well you need to present yourself as middle ground to win elections… that’s the only reason Labour didn’t loose this time
@@jamessmithson-br7rm labour got road blocked in the elections, they underperformed greatly because of their Tory-lite style policies.
Labour won because of everyone hating the tories and FPTP.
Reform have about 4mil votes (14%) and labour have about 10mil votes (34%), but reform only get 4 seats (0.6%) whereas labour gets 412 (63%). This is ridiculous. I know how it all works but it really needs to change.
No, it doesn’t. Each vote isn’t the same. The people of Clacton’s issues are wildly different to the issues of the people of Cornwall. When Clacton votes reform, that’s because they think reform will be best to represent their issues in parliament. But those votes are irrelevant to the people of Cornwall who really really strongly don’t think that reform has the first idea about the problems they face. Clacton felt strongly and that’s good for them that they are now represented by reform. Cornwall felt strongly that reform didn’t understand them so why should they be forced to have the candidate that they didn’t vote for forced onto them because a different reform candidate understands a community that isn’t Cornwall very strongly? The simple answer is that they shouldn’t.
I'm neither from the UK nor USA, but isn't your comment exactly why the democrats wants to get rid of the electoral college in the US?
@@klausjack8731 yeah pretty much.
@@klausjack8731 Sorry, I have literally no idea what you're on about. I don't pay much attention to what American parties want. I just think each party should actually get the representation they deserve.
@@klausjack8731 While the argument is the same, the major difference is that the left wants to dissolve the Electoral College because it is used to elect just the President, not legislators. The president is meant to represent broader "national interests" rather than local ones like legislators would, so they believe that it should be up to the popular vote!
If the British Labour Party is left wing, then I'm Julius Caesar.
fr
Socialist?
hello julius caesar welcome back
Ave Caesar
They are left of centre on most issues. Does that not qualify them as being 'left wing'? Or do they need to literally be communists?
9:13 you missed the fact that Faiza Shaheen was supposed to run as the candidate for labour in that seat but was deselected due to kier starmers purge of the left. Had she run as the labour candidate she would have easily beat Iain.
Its time for Electoral Reform
This is the one time we are lucky it wasn't the other way. Kinda. I think the places that'd benefit most from a reform are Northern Ireland as at the minute what is weakening the Unionist votes is the fact we have either 3 or 4 ways the people are going that's either staying loyal to the DUP, wanting a change that is less conservative through the UUP or more conservative through the TUV. The 4th is either independant unionists who basically are disagreeing with the parties who are kinda stuck in their ways & thus they show another way. The final one is the Alliance which is the major middle ground for those who want change but don't want to let a nationalist party in. The Nationalists held strong due to Sein Fein keeping loyalty in its heartland & not really having much competition from the SDLP & Aontú one of which I hope improves that being SDLP as it um is well not conservative & sits. Basically most of the parties keep power by having kept loyalty here. Scotland, England & Wales likely would be screwed over by electoral change as I donae think the Conservatives or Reform are good options.
@@cillianennis9921 Ah so you get to determine for the non 80% who didn't vote for the labour who is a good option for us.
@@silliestsususagest3276 I am sure it is a better alternative. The best form would likely be a mix of how local elections work & a proportional system after I looked into it & saw how much small parties like the greens would benefit from it. Also would have benefited the tories slightly but reform would be the third which mightn't be the best.
@@cillianennis9921I’m not too hot on northern Irish politics, but it was weird seeing like 4 different unionist parties on the map.
@@chrisgarrett6305 yeah we have like 2 good ones. The PUP is the progressive unionist party but they didn't run in the election & the other is the Independent unionists who basically argue against the older parties. The other ones are the DUP which is christian conservative unionists who have been the largest unionist party but that seems to be changing, then we have the TUV which are basically reform UK but with some nonsense unionist bull in their nonsense (they have heavily sectarian meaning they aren't good choices for office as they discriminate against their own region on religion) then we have the UUP which is just conservative unionists. We usually don't see as many unionists do so well, same with some other parties like alliance kinda did well but it lost north down but they are the ones growing the the shadows everyone thinks Sein Fein is growing but I think its because of a shift to Alliance that for the moment allows Sein Fein in more but in the next assembly election they are likely to become the 2nd party if they play their cards right as well they currently gain the third largest vote despite only getting a single seat.
We need a proportional ranked-choice voting system in the UK damn it....
Become the 51st state and you won't have to worry about it.
@@kingbullyrock8739at this point I actually wouldn’t mind lol
@@kingbullyrock8739with trump attempting to become a dictator? I'd rather not, sorry.
to be honest we need to totally do away with democracy. too many foreigners voting that the natives never consented to being here. i'll take monarchy or house of lords over these paid corrupt politicians
@@davestevenson9080One, foreigners are people just as much as you, and as long as they have been living there for a couple years to learn how the uk's political system works, then they should be able to vote two. Secondly, monarchy or houses of lords are paid off two, arguably just as much or even more than the current politicians. And besides, you could pick a great first candidate for king, but the liniage isn't destined to be great. Being a great leader isn't genetic.
I didn’t vote for who i wanted to win. I voted for who don’t want to win 😂
The ideal political system doesn't have you have to do this!
@@ibx2cat There is no such system that works as it is intended to work
@@ferroangelusprimarchoftheIIOpen party list proportional representation, or Single Transferable Vote proportional representation
@@Ry_TSG even those have their flaws like any system or any thing ever created
@@ferroangelusprimarchoftheIIin your opinion are the flaws of each system equal to eachother?
Labour hasn't been left-wing for a few decades, that's why there was so much fuss when they accidentally ended up with a left-wing Leader! 😂
starmer? left wing?
@@HeatherMason-fi1qr I believe they're referring to Corbyn
To be fair Corbyn was pretty damn far left and had some other highly controversial views. Honestly surprised he even made it to be party leader. I don't dislike the guy, he seems to have good intentions but my god someone like that can not and should not be leader of a country.
Every silver lining has a cloud.
A dark cloud from Africa
@@Wilhelm4131Ah, you’re one of _those_ people.
@@Wilhelm4131 You people shouldn’t have gone around conquering everyone. Turnabout is fair play, motherf****r.
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar what, someone with common sense?
@@leiregyp5814 You’re just salty that your chickens are coming home to roost. That’s what you get when you go around the world looting everyone with dark skin. Too bad, so sad.
I am a proud Count Binface voter
So you live in Northallerton? Interesting
Only W I've seen in this comment section so far 🔥
I dont rlly think the Palestine protest vote was about overseas issues or just due to ethnic lines. Our govt has continued to support Israel's actions while they have been condemned by the UN. This is a political foreign policy choice, and one which is actively killing family members and friends of people in the constituencies (living in a diverse part of Britain, know people with friends and family in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, facing the crisis in part caused by our govt). Seeing how Labour has changed their stance on this since Corbyn deeply frustrates many people. Independents are being elected as a result.
about as left wing as david beckham
Labour didn’t gain votes, conservatives lost them. By vote share the reform party is the biggest alternative party in the UK.
alternative to who? in terms of the number of votes, they came third. so if you mean alternative to labour, then no. if you mean alternative to the tories and labour as the two big parties, then yes
@@zoecass The two big parties, if that wasn’t clear. If tories and labour have a monopoly it will naturally devolve into a one party state. Like in the 2010 election.
Essentially Reform screwed up the Tories by splitting them in half. I don't like either of them so I'm happy labour won. I don't like Kier tho
labour under starmer is just the tories painted red unfortunately
@@weird_autumn42 no. «conservatives » are center left, labor are far left.
@@FlopFan69 What are you even talking about? Labour is already centre right. The tories are not left by any means.
@@FlopFan69 lol, what? are you writing that comment from 1940s germany or something?
@@FlopFan69Least delusional Reform voter:
@@pflynx and you can’t even spell center or labor
Labor Party left wing? Is that sarcastic?
I'm not from UK, but didn't they support all that typical left wing stuff, from antisemitism to DEI?
they are clearly left wing.
they're _theoretically_ left wing
@@svr5423 Starmer is a blue man in a red coat imo. He's not Reform levels of right, but I'd say he's definitely centre-right.
No, that's the truth
In seats, yes, in votes, no.
FPTP makes the parties unecessarily hostile towards each other. Proportational representation forces parties to cooperate and will in the long run make the parliament work better.
In what way does pr make parties cooperate better? I'm curious to know as wouldn't they still be highly competitive
@@pyrogunslinger1877 Because they have to make coalition governments after elections, as it is very rare in PR countries for any party to have a majority alone.
@@pyrogunslinger1877 when a party with a third of the votes doesn't get a super-majority in the parliament, they do need to cooperate with other parties to get things done.
@@FaustsKanaal would that he a good thing? Or would it lessen the sincerity of the parties as they have to compromise? I see positives of both sides ofc but I'd like to know more
parties should not cooperate. Otherwise, there is no way to enact change.
Everyone with a different solution just gets absorbed into the blob, like it happens in Germany.
In terms of Leicester it is majority Muslim so they all voted about Gaza
Wat? Why would they do that?
It's all they care about
Brother ew
They should move to Gaza then, since they care so much about it.
@@DankusMemicus you care about the holocaust? Well you better move into a camp then. Kinda logic is this. Yeah surprisingly people don't want to move to an area being genocided. Kinda what their problem with it is in the first place.
the two rural areas that went from the tories to greens is due to land reforms for rural areas to protect their fields and forests
I'd love to know more about this, it seems so interesting... any chance you can rec any articles/videos?
Well, at least you guys aren't as screwed as we are in the U.S.. King George III is starting to look good in retrospect ...
No. Monarchy would be so much worse
@@TheSkyGuy77 Perhaps you failed to notice the ruling that the U.S. Supreme court made a few days ago.
Yeah, you guys are cooked. An old man who, as polite as he is, should have retired years ago against a literal convicted felon who led an insurrection against parliament when he lost an election. I'm so sorry for you guys 🙏
@@ryanb7186 Fear mongering goes crazyyyy
@@boei8244while presidents probably won’t even make use of their new power (except trump, that guy would absolutely use it.), the fact that it’s even a possibility now is worrying.
No, because Kier is the guy who sees the dumpster fire that is the Tories and goes "Labour needs to be more like that" and is trying to push the party right despite what over a decade of conservative rule has done to Britain.
The left/right debate is so trivial. The disastrous results of the conservatives has been the varying result of both left and right leaning flawed policies/agenda's. There's an awful lot of nuance to all these failures, but poorly informed people conveniently neglect a lot of the facts just so they can push their own flawed political narratives and idealisms. Reality is nothing will change under either party, and the problem to most people will oversimplified down to the fact that they weren't left/right wing enough... No. They are all just incompetent, misled and compromised by various incentives.
@@NitroNuggetTV when capitalism is the problem for the 98301298th time 🤯🤯
Come on. Faiza Shaheen isn't campaigning solely on Gaza.
I looked her up to make sure I didn't get this one mixed up, and her first tweet is about how labour lost 4 elections to pro-palestine candidates lol. I think solely is unfair, but it's the wedge issue they used
@@ibx2cat The fact that Faiza did campaign in 2019 when Gaza wasn't as such a big topic as it is now is what makes me come to my conclusion. Gaza is a big part of her campaign now for sure and shes a Muslim (I wish these people would talk a bit to Layla Moran as shes actually someone who has Palestinian heritage) but I'm sure she speaks about other issues that are local to the area as shes from there. The many Independents that denied Labour ministers their seats and reduced others to several hundreds I'm sure did campaign solely on Gaza and they may not even be from the area like Galloway was. Also Jess Philips had a horrible time campaigning. She talked of despicable misogynistic behaviour by her opponents towards women on election night. Truly vile.
I think Gaza was an easy issue for Labour to deal with though. Its been a bit of a failure of communication, minor election strategy blunders and not realsiing the issue was as big as it was. The Gaza debate in the Commons (or a call for a bilateral ceasefire with the release of hostages) could have settled the issue, but it was dominated by the Speaker selecting a Labour Amendment on the SNP opposition day seeming to favour one side and everyone but Labour walking out. All that got talked about was what happened there with the Speaker and not about the symbolism which would have convinced voters. Then Starmer went on that infamous LBC interview, there were comments from a labour source delivered by a journalist in the locals that said lost Muslim votes over Gaza were "shaking off the fleas" and then more recently comments were made about Bangladeshis that were interpreted, rightly or wrongly, to be about sending them back to their home country. The background of the percieved hierarchy of racism in the party also doesn't help.
‘Left wing’ Starmer lmao
I think this will spill over in the next election pretty badly for Labour. You can't win 63% of the chamber with 33% of the vote and expect the public to hand you the mandate. I expect a lot of churn in these next few years.
There are a lot of people in the comments saying "Labour isn't leftist" Look, idk anything about British politics, but from my brief reading of the party's Wikipedia article, can you explain to me how they are not leftist? Or is it the same as when people talk about US parties and say "dEmOcRaTs aReN't lEfTiSt, or rEpUbLiCaNs aReN't rIgHtIsT" just because they think that their radical views are somehow the center.
Labour are centre left, not that left wing but still on the left
ah yes because you read a wikipedia article you are clued up. Keir Starmer has clearly changed the labour party to the centreground by clearing out locally-selected left wing mps during election candidacy.
They have rapidly moved to the right under their new leadership.
It is similar to the shift in america with the Republican's southern strategy. It used to be that the democrats were the right leaning party and the republicans the left leaning one. All it took was one person in charge to change that.
All the stuff you're reading on wikipedia is likely historical
@@ichigo_nyanko Oh, thanks for informing me, I didn't know.
another thing to bare in mind is that there was a website called vote strategically - which sole purpose was to get the tories out of power by voting for the one which would be the most likely to reach plurality in your area.
Voting strategically is the smartest choice in most constituencies. If one of the two main parties is one that you dislike then you just vote for the other one, it's simple logic because very few constituencies ever have 3 parties that could win at any given time.
I've been doing that in every election I've been eligible to vote in.
This guy taught me how to make minecraft pixel art like 10 years ago, now hes telling the poll results, this internet is a funny place
Calling labour "left wing" might be a little charitable. Labour has basically just been constantly moving right with Starmer to the point that their policies are basically just to continue doing what the conservatives were doing.
5:07 10:10 Bristol Central was a Green gain from Labour - not Conservatives- so it's not "always" a gain from the Conservatives.
Man this mob vote is really weird.
No. Labour's policies are more akin to traditional conservatism
what are labour's policies again mate? i can remeber.
@@Adam-wg2rf they recently decided they would not raise taxes, and in their most recent manifesto they criticised migration
criticised migration, CRITICISED MIGRATION, am lost right now arn't labeur really pro migration. i did not see that coming am gona look it up now. thank you very much for telling me.
@@Adam-wg2rf They did criticise the amount of immigration coming in and said it needed to be lower. Whether they actually do it or not is an entirely different conversation lol
I can't help but take away from this, that defectors of the Tory party who chose to tactically vote for another party (besides Labour) have in actuality, voted for a labour majority.
I was always told from a young age (living 'oop north) that any vote other than Labour, was a vote for Tories. In this election, it will appear quite the opposite happened!
As a side note to any Americans, notice how when WE change government, it's a fairly civil and polite affair? Hate Rishi all you like, but he didn't scream "fakenews!" and incite his supporters to raid number 10 😂
That is true, but the leaflet I got from the Tories were saying Kier Starmer was trying to rig the vote lol
My vote was made without tactical consideration directly as a protest against the premise of tactical voting. It is wrong that on a national level, a party can receive more than a scale factor less representation than votes.
Why is the Gaza situation effecting english politics at all? In the netherlands we dont pick a government on something so trivial.
Because of mass migration, obviously
Something trivial like genocide?
@@PedanticPig being done by one government that hates us to a people that hate us. we shouldnt be involved in the slightest
@oniondesu9633 there's no Gazans in UK tho
@@oniondesu9633so genocide is good when you don’t like the people it is against?
Regarding Leicester East, the One Leicester party is a one man party of Keith Vaz, a former Labour MP. Claudia Webbe, another former Labour MP also stood as an independent. So the Labour vote split in 3. A big reason for the split was the riots in 2022 and not Gaza, which was a bigger reason in several other independent campaigns
Left wing? Starmer?? 😂🤣🤣🤣
Economically? No. Socially? Yes, absolutely and you are delusional if you disagree. Even most elected Conservatives are left wing socially.
As much as I despise Reform, 14% translated to four seats is just ridiculous, even moreso when looking at the LibDems who got 71 out of 12%.
The novelty of the Tories getting booted out will only glitter and shine for a short while. Eyes will eventually gaze upon Labour competence during their tenure, them most likely getting booted out in the future due to a system they didn't change when they had a chance to.
To your point at the end of the video, for the 2015 Canadian Federal election, the Liberals campaigned that "this election will be the last under FPTP". Yet here we are a decade later, still under FPTP in Canada :(
They want blue out and well the one left is....
In addition to the Gaza stuff you observed, there is (under the hood) one other example of sectarian voting that became sadly apparent in this election.
Take a guess at which seat just posted the highest vote share for the Tory candidate. Strangely enough, it's not a seat that is historically safe for the Conservatives; it's Harrow East, a classic bellwether, which voted Labour during the Blair years. Now though, Conservative candidate Bob Blackman has just pulled in 55% of the vote, giving him a rare 10k+ Tory majority.
Why is this, you may ask? Well, it makes sense when you learn that Harrow East is Britain's only majority-Hindu seat. Hindus (but notably not other Indians, such as Muslims and Sikhs) were already trending rapidly to the Conservatives, but then this trend was supercharged by the elevation of one of their own to PM. As a result the good people of Harrow East have taken the Hindu nationalism of their ancestral homeland and transplanted it thousands of miles west to a small corner of north-west London.
Diversity is our strength
love this style of video from you, very educational and interesting
This illustrates how much better New Zealand's MMP voting system is. In New Zealand, we vote for the party we prefer, and seats are allocated based on the percentage of the votes each party gets. Your party gets 20% of the vote? Then you get 20% of the seats. Under such a system (which still has some flaws in the way it's been implemented in NZ), your say does at least matter. It's one man, one vote - not 'one man, one vote, unless you live in a county where your vote doesn't count.' Democracy is all about you having an actual say in your governance - in the UK, whether or not you have a say depends entirely on the plurality of the people who also live in the place you live happening to vote the same as you, which is probably at best a 50/50 chance of counting.
But in your system you’re not getting local representation.
In the UK people vote for local politicians who have knowledge of local issues to represent them in parliament.
The way you described your system makes it seem like you’re going to be assigned some random politician who most likely won’t be from your local area and has no idea what the local issues are.
@@jk844100And so the perfect compromise is Single Transferrable Vote, the system which the libdems are now endorsing which maintains local areas having local politicians while allowing for proportional representation by allowing for ranked voting and more seats per delineated region. If you want to know more I highly recommend the CGP Grey video on STV, I personally believe its by far the best voting choice for the UK.
@@jk844100 people still get local representation under New Zealand’s system. The party that gets the most votes in each of the 72 electorates has a member elected for that area. After that, a certain number of ‘list’ seats is given to each party to make their number of seats in parliament proportional to their vote share. For example, National won in 43 electorates, meaning that they were given 5 list seats to make their total seat count of 48 (out of a possible 122) proportional to their vote of 38%. Compare this to NZ First, which didn’t win in any electorate but was given 8 list seats to make their seat count proportional to their 6% vote share.
Hence why the system is called mixed-member proportional voting.
@@jk844100 The NZ MMP system is quite similar to the AMS system in Scotland and Wales, with a number of electorate seats, which operate under FPTP, but with a portion of list seats, which are allocated according to popular vote, ensuring a degree of proportionality
proportional representation was also the system in place in weimar
A lot people voted tactically as there are quite a few websites now that enable you to find out who to vote for to get rid of the current government. Which mean't less votes were "wasted" on candidates with no hope of winning and less votes were needed to take away a conservative seat. Conservatives almost always win because the left vote is split too many ways. Reform is now splitting the right which is why we got a referendum all those years ago.
Tactical voting has been a thing for many, many election cycles. Just look at the previous election results and you'll most likely see two parties with a massive lead over the others, vote for the opposite of which one you don't want to win. Don't really need a dedicated website for that.
33.7% of the vote but 63.2% of the Parliament⁉The Liberals, Greens and SNP are underrepresented, the Conservatives are VERY underrepresented and the Reforms are MASSIVELY underrepresented.
It's about time the UK has another look at alternative voting so this doesn't happen again.
Just came across this channel you do a good comprehensive analysis of the vote. Thanks!
This is why first past the post system is awful, the UK needs a ranked voting system
No thanks. Unless you’re a big fan of a community voting for a local politician who knows the local issues and being instead given a local politician that they rejected just because some people on the other side of the country think their local politician of another party understands their issues better.
Or even worse, a candidate who has never lived in that community being parachuted in to represent them.
@@PippetWhippet Or even worse, the second largest party nationwide getting FOUR seats... wait wut
even better, MMP
@@PippetWhippet councils represent communities, not MPs
@@PippetWhippet I mean for every individual district 🤦♀️
Labour are left of the Torries for sure but they are both pretty central. They seem to love convincing everyone there are only 2 parties to choose from. They both benefit from the status quo, and only ever flip flopping between them 2.
Yes of course they are, the middle ground wins elections in UK
Labour is far from left wing
The far right will call anything left of them left wing lol. They consider themselves the moderate ones, it's crazy.
4:47 They didn't gain millions of votes, millions less people voted. Turnout dropped from 67.3% to 59.9%, so despite continuing a trend of losing absolute number of votes since 2017 & 2019, labour have a higher percentage of total votes
I don't really think that single issue voting on Gaza is voting on racial or religious lines, its really more single issue voting on a foreign policy issue. Here in the US I have seen many Jewish people call for a ceasefire and to stop funding the Israeli military for example. It makes even more sense when I look at how much tax money goes to funding foreign wars in the US. I'm not sure if it is the same in the UK, but at least here there are a lot of reasons someone may hold this policy position I think.
I think that is partially true but the seats gained are also in areas with very high muslim populations too (like over 30%)
@@eelsemaj99 from the online muslim circles I am in I would agree that muslims are definitely more aware of what is going on in Gaza. I don't really see how its any different than why anyone else votes however, because they aren't just invested in supporting Gazans because they are muslims, but because they are people they are keenly aware that are being massacred with the goal of taking over the territory.
@@valimayy they’re not Jewish, no Jew supports Nazi Palestine.
The Gaza situation politics is more a symbol for if the politician in question is actually a dishonest hypocrite or a normal decent person. Not really even about foreign policy as much as simply not buying the utter duplicity of labour or the psychopathy of the conservatives.
@@valimayy I think everyone is aware that Israel have been trying to make Palestine smaller by liberally throwing firepower and settlements into it for generations. It's really hard to look at the maps and the land grabs and see any other reading.
Unfortunately politics doesn't require facts to make policies
For this election in particular I don't think left or right had anything to do with it. This wasn't a win for labour, it was a loss for the conservatives and it's as simple as that. You can see this in the fact labour got just under 40% of the votes which means 60% didn't want them. Given more time for the election I think there would have been more pushed towards reform because people are sick of the main parties. Labour would still come out as the leader but will a smaller majority ( just because they are bigger and not the cons) and Reform would likely be the leader of the opposition as they came second in a lot of places, beating the conservatives a lot of the times.
2029 will be really interesting if Labour don't but 110% into fixing the current shitshow that has been going on for the last 14 years.
I think libdems would beat out reform. And from my knowledge libdems would be pretty good for the country,
@@dillydraws Yeah people are mistaking that Lib Dems wouldn't be as popular as Reform because of the vote share however alot of people partook in tactical voting to vote for Reform and Labour just to get the Tories out of office. I wanted to vote Lib Dem but my area has always been blue since it's inception but for the first time it's gone to Labour and by only 40 votes.
The overall right-wing vote share dropped by 8 percent. Labour didn't gain much percentage-wise because so many of their own left-wing voters defected to Greens or independents.
When I started the video I thought Ireland was a smudge on my screen and tried to wipe it off
To be fair, in a FPTP system you can't just naively look at total vote numbers to determine what people wanted, plenty of people vote tactically, even if they like a party better, if that party doesn't seem to have a chance to win, they'll prefer to vote for whoever can win and they like better than any of the others likely to win
You were a little off with Chingford and Woodford green. The independent was also another labour MP to the left who got kicked out. Still is interesting how the push for independents and greens has made labours gains far less credible.
The fact that Reform did so well despite only having a 24-page manifesto, a good amount of which was just pictures, and which contained practically no concrete plans or explanations, says enough about the state of the UK at the moment.
ah but who actually _reads_ the manifesto these days?
No, they voted for a change of tie colour.
The thing is that looking at the share of votes of the labor is pointless.
First past the post is a reality (IMO sadly) and that was taken into account by everyone.
Labor wasn't campaigning to get more votes, they were campaigning first to not make costly stupid mistakes and second to win more MPs and possibly relegate the torries to third place (but that was a longshot). So politicians campaigned more in areas where the the final result was in doubt which, this time, meant mostly places where Labor usually doesn't do all that well...
1) Probably more people voted tactically than ever before which possibly cost some votes to labor (hard to tell).
2) The labor win was so sure globally and locally for some MP races that some people didn't bother to vote.
3) We don't know yet if voter id requirement played a role
I think most people can agree it's time for electoral reform
Very disappointing turnout. We are going to be run by a party with 33% of the vote from only 59% of those eligibile. More people didn't vote than voted for the incumbent party
Most elections have more people that don’t vote than that do
@@jk844100 well figures currently suggest that this is the lowest voter turnout for the UK in 96 years. Historically the turnout rates were in the 70%s for many years
not to mention that a huge chunk of those votes are foreigners, not natives
Cool video man 😊
For the past few years I've been noticing how a lot of people around me (that I do and do not know) would mention how much they dislike conservatives but also how the labour party isn't much better. I was wondering what this would look like in an elections and the reasoning behind so many people thinking like this and this video answered a lot, thanks for teaching me a bunch lol
congrats to Sinn Fein for coming out on top with the most seats in Northern Ireland
They were unlucky not to take East Londonderry too, 200ish votes behind DUP. Probably next time.
Calling Labour left wing is extremely generous. They are currently only marginally closer to the centre then the Tories, and are further to the right then the Tories were in 2010. The UK is sliding towards Fascism at an alarming rate.
It wasn't an endorsement of labour it was a rejection of the far right Tories. Also I would say to call starmers labour "left" is not accurate as this labour party more aligns to the centre...
To give context to Leicester East.
There are 2 Ex Labour MPs standing.
Claudia Webbe is part of Jeremy Corbyn's group and would still have supporters.
Keith Vaz is practically a local celebrity. He was an MP for almost 40 year and was one of the first MP from an Asian background. He litteraly flew in famous bollywood stars in to support his campaign.
On top of that, both the Leicester East CLP has been in shambles and has been dismissed many times.
In Leicester South, yes Jon absentaining from the ceasefire vote was an issue. The main problem being that he chose the party whipp over what 85+% of the constituents wanted.
Residents chose that in the place of a Labour landslide, they'd rather have an MP that votes for them rather than the party leader.
Your characterisation is scarily identical to the like of Farage and Tommy Robinson.
I don't know about the others but I think painting Jeremy Corbyn or Shockat Adam as single issue is a stretch.
And belittling the people of certain demographics as single issue morons that don't know what their doing is borderline racism.
1. Gaza IS NOT the ONLY thing that Muslims care about
2. It's not ONLY Muslims that care about Gaza
"The tories lost, labour didnt win" fails to take into account the millions of admittedly "borrowed" red wall votes in 2019. Labour voters (who wanted Brexit to be finished and also unable to vote for Corbyn) voted for Boris Johnson.
The comparison everyone is making is based on an artifical/temporary vote share the tories enjoyed for a single election
these voters didn't return to labour though, which is even more concerning if they were "borrowed" and didn't return
A lot of them probably will return now that Labour isn't led by an anti-Semitic tankie.
8:07 I think voting because you don’t want your government to support a genocide is pretty fucking great actually
-someone who has never seen an actual genocide
World's only genocide where the population continues to rise exponentially during
@@David-g6 never in my life did I expect to see someone make a retort against a person saying genocide was bad
Thanks for posting!
calling labour a left wing party makes no sense at this point anyways
Saying that Gaza is just an "ethnic" issue is incredibly reductive. Many people simply are not happy with the government being complicit in the genocide of the palestinian people that's occuring. In large muslim majority areas there's simply a larger awareness of the issue. When the labour candidates actively support the state of israel in all its actions it's no wonder that people are voting for independent canditates who actually care for gaza. It's also a symptom of labour's shift away from the left under Starmer which I feel has left many people who supported labour under corbyn to look at alternative canditates.
Gaza isnt part of the UK, theres atrocities happening all over the globe, I care about gaza any more then places like Myanmar
@thecoexistingrepublican6 The UK directly provides military aid to Israel. Money taken away from public spending to help a far off country.
there is no "genocide of the Palestinian people". That's antisemitic rhetoric.
Especially because the palestinian people (now mostly citizen of Israel and Jordan) are very diverse people.
@@emerald7917 UK has been part of the "war on terror" for decades now.
Gaza's terrorism against Israel simply leads to a continuation of established foreign policy.
That said, many high tech products come from Israel. It's tactically important to protect this country for the sake of the own economy.
Saying Gaza isn't an ethnic issue is incredibly naïve. Not that I have a problem with either supporting Gaza or it being an ethno-religious issue, but the fact is if the people involved were, let's say Tibetan, the large populations of Arabs and Muslims would not be lifting a finger on their behalf (nor should they be expected to, by the way). A little realism please.
Protesting what's happening in Gaza seems exceptionally important to me. People are trying to make an impact
It's not important.
Whenever Gaza wants peace, they will eventually release the hostages and stop the hostilities.
@@svr5423 This is exactly the point. One side has all the power in the situation: Israel, and people in the UK who are ignored by their representatives want to be heard. Therefore, it is very logical to support an MP who has a clear stance on something you feel strongly about. One thing should be clear though: the Gaza conflict is not unimportant for the people who have voted based it. Stating that it simply isn't important is quite arrogant (I believe).
In a national parliamentarian election, some people naturally vote based on foreign policy, either to protest their representatives' stance or to make an actual impact on foreign policy (though the latter is unlikely). No matter what their intentions are, quite a lot of people seem to have voted based on Israel-Gaza.
@@greatrandomgamer1950 If you are totally happy about everything that's going on in the UK, and the foreign policy in Gaza is the only differentiator - sure, go ahead and use this as a criterium.
Otherwise, I'd argue that there are much more important things.
That said, antisemitism is dangerously on the rise in Europe at the moment (like in was in the 1930ies), so I understand that this could be part of a bigger issue as Gaza is an excuse for those people to come out in the open (none of those people actually care about children or LGBTQ+ rights there).
@@svr5423 Dude, the entire international community is against what you just said. It is true that some people have used this opportunity to channel their antisemittism (Candace Owens, Hans Lysglimt, etc.) but it is just flat out antisemitic to confuse Israel with jewish people. You should - if you’re not dishonest - be able to differentiate between genuine anti-semites and most anti-zionists - and people critical of Israel. Your comment is pretty disgusting and I can’t tell if you are dishonest or too far gone.
1. Seing people decide who they vote for independents based on Israel-Gaza, should make you reconsider your arrogance on whether it is important. That obviously doesn’t mean that people only vote for that reason, but it is significant enough that people might finallt decide who they’re voting for based on it.
2. Israel is acting like god damned N*zi Germany in this case. They are slaughtering the entire population of Gaza (and not only that, but also cleaning out - or letting far-right militias clean out - the west bank rn, though its not very written about); you should open your eyes and see that. Hamas is absolutely horrible too, but denying the fact that the Israeli government is flat-out racist and genocidal makes me think you’’re faaaar gone.
3. Some of the organizations most criticsl of Israel actions are jewish advocacy NGOs and often jewish activists. Open your eyes and see that too. And no, they are not all simply Naturei Karta.
4. Antisemitism is on the rise, absolutely, that does not mean you should blindly follow everything the far-right govt. of Israel say. I don’t let the huge rise in anti-muslim rhetoric in the west guide me toward supporting Saudi Arabia’s national policies (not muslim btw). Listen to marginalized communities locally, don’t simply try to be their white knight.
Israel had an antisemitic government who tries to conflate judaism with zionism. Ironically, their most loyal supporters are Christian Evangelicals in the west - not jewish people who often oppose Israel’s actions. These evangelicals literally believe that Israel has to exist for the end-times to arrive, in which all jewish people will die as they don’t believe in Jesus as Messiah. It should tell you something that Israel’s greatest allies often despice jewish people. You should watch «Praying for Armagheddon» or countless other documentaries on this issue to learn about this, but obviously you (probably) won’t do that, because genocide and an apartheid regime that has existed for 75 years is not important enough to you.
@@svr5423 You're looking at the issue as Gaza vs Israel. It's Hamas vs Israel with Gaza being the innocents in the middle being used as human shields. The terrorists need to go but most people there just want to live in peace.
I live in Leicester East, voted for the Lib Dem candidate for the reason mentioned and many of my friends in Leicester South voted for Shockat Adam. I’m very proud that he won but shocked that our seat went to the Conservatives. Didn’t expect Leicester to be mentioned in a video like this 😂. I was talking to my family about it and they said that pretty much the votes were split so much that people who actually did vote for conservatives managed to win out. Crazy.
I clicked on this and was not expecting to see this guy. I haven't seen Toycat in years and now hes explaining the vote to me?...
Nice, conservatives finally out of the game!
lil bro didnt even watch the video
starmer is just a tory in red
It's more that conservative infighting split the vote.
@@Kylora2112 Same result, right?
@@derdude1956 If they don't figure their shit out, technically yes.
Wow, a channel that isn't insanely biased to the left OR right, fair play bro
I was not expecting you to cover this lmao
Labour is NOT left wing
tbh faiza shaheen's main focus was not gaza, it's the fact that she was banished from the labour party for being leftist and simply liking an old sketch about israel's human rights abuses. it was unjust and thus a lot of the constituents sympathised with what she stood for
is left wing the same as leftists or no
Nah leftists are like communists, socialists etc
not necessarily.
. a leftist is someone who strongly holds many leftists beliefs. whereas being left-wing only implies you only have some leftist beliefs.
The only "leftist" thing about the left wing (IN THIS CASE) is that they support free healthcare and unions and stuff
Not really liberal and leftist are both “left wing” but liberal and leftist aren’t the same. Liberals are usually centrist but still left of conservatives
no, most people would consider labour a conservative party (i think at least) leftist when it comes to political theory generally refers to political ideologies which involve aspects of communism/socialism.
however all of these terms are relative, which is why theres a different context for every country
no one considers labour as "left wing"
The most colorful map for first past the post system? Thats Indonesia.
The trouble with the conservatives is that even if you agree with their policies, no one thinks they will carry them out.
Reform really helped Labour out. They split the tory vote and cost Mogg, Liz Truss, annd others their seats
and the tories also helped by fucking up so badly that they gave an alternative party some stake in the race
my short and light-on-nuance take from here in australia is:
a) thanks for the coverage and explanation, this is super interesting to follow, i love your enthusiasm :D
b) i'm so glad that we have ranked-choice voting here
(this is not to say i think ranked choice is the best system, i think granting seats for the top x number of positions (top two or three for example) per electorate would be a further improvement, but i'm at least very glad i have some way to "choose" specifically who i want to represent me, and am not stuck with fttp!)
Parties fracturing is a great thing.
It means more people have a much better opportunity to vote for what they actually believe in, rather than having to settle for whichever option of 2 is vaguely closer to their own views.
IMO political parties should be abolished.