France Surprise Election: Everybody Loses, Nobody Rules
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"France Surprise Election: Everybody Loses, Nobody Rules" Idk, sounds perfectly French if you ask me
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We already did the same thing in 1936
I imagine a Mayotte resident watching the debates on TV like, "Yeah, there are too many immigrants in France," as they sit on their couch 5,000 miles away.
😂😂
Actually, I suspect that Mayotte residents have concerns about too many immigrants coming from the Comoros Islands. Macron ended birthright citizenship locally to discourage further immigration, but they probably think that it may be reinstated if the left can get their way. Or even worse, that they be given unilateral independence which would cut off the welfare checks and force them back in with the rest of the Comoros. My understanding is this is the poorest department in France, which makes them much better off then any other country in the region. OTOH, if illegal immigration to France is cut off, it makes it more feasible for locals to move to mainland France. Believe it or not, National Rally, would be fine with this to happen, since it would be a trickle compared to external migration, and it would give them a bit of cred against claims that they are racist.
It's the immigration from Comoros that's got the Mayotte people all upset.
Mayotte has become a hellhole thanks to illegal migrants from Comoros who behave violently and have created machete-wielding gangs
Bro, Mayotte is probably the most RN place in all of France.
They will literally vote for ANY CANDIDATE who will throw other comorians away from their island, they're on the brink of being replaced
And yes, the people i'm talking about are ALL black AND muslims
Without RN they would have no voice and their concerns wouldn't be heard
Other candidates help them only to push them away from RN
why did it take me so long to discover that the funny minecraft xbox guy i used to watch talk about the new update does really intelligent political commentary now
I actually found the second channel first wasn't really a fan of Minecraft content in general then I found out he was an exclusively Bedrock CZcamsr and started watching
I found this channel first, then discovered his Minecraft videos
“really intelligent”
its more like he has common sense, which i guess is rare these days
common sense doesn't exist@@jidionclips_fan5720
"My thoughts are too complex for journalist to understand."
- Emmanuel Macron
"The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma..."
My guess is he wanted the opposition in to government so he had better chanche for the future presidential
Unbelievably based
PRAISE IVPITER
@@hawoaliahmed6996 But even that doesn't make sense. The Left will never ever under any circumstances allow the right to govern France. It'll be a repeat of 2022 the left will vote for the Ensemble candidate in order to block the right.
Its shocking that a Minecraft youtuber does better political commentary than most of the youtube political community
Great work on your unbiased look at the world, you earned a subscriber here
I'll look forwards to future content!
I've never watched his Minecraft videos. He's just a hilarious geography and political commentator to me.
he's biased as I am, even if I agree with some of what he says, I can see he is biased, everyone is biased, and don't view any political videos as unbiased
He is not here to be unbiased tho. He is just chaotic and loves to make fun of everything that sounds silly/dumb.
If anything if you ask him what he supports etc he would answer it instantly without any sugarcoating.
At least that's the kind of man i think he is
Wow, I never knew this was a second channel, let alone his main channel being Minecraft.
Being unbiased is impossible. Not even computers can do it, because they are made by people.
As a German, that is usually how the parliament looks for us, I don't see a problem.
Yeah but France has a Two round system and Germany has Mixed Member Proportional voting. Two very different systems where Germany you can expect coalition government to happen more naturally due to the voting system.
France governement and parliamentary system is not meant for minority government or coalition.
Parliament in France is meant to give the President, which has a lot of power, a majority like in the US ( without the midterms).
The 3 biggest parties have all pretty much said that they will not work with anyone from the other side. Its a pretty terrible result. No decisions will be made and riots will continue
Those three blocks fucking hate each other so there's no way a coalition get built with any of them. Also, look about the fourth french Republic which failed partially for the same reason.
As an American, I cannot comprehend an electoral map with more than two colors.
The best thing is that NFP (and ensemble to an extent) are just wide multi-party alliances and NFP could always fracture between the extremist and more moderate parties, how fun
Honestly a fracture is the only way that France is going to get a governing majority-- if the more centrist elements of NFP join a coalition with Macron. Otherwise, it's just pure chaos all the way down.
From the way Melenchon is talking, though, you'd think he just won a thumping majority. It's delusional stuff (and I'm on the left, I'm not just saying this because I don't like his policies).
RN too with the LR lead by Ciotti
@Johan-em6kg not really LR is it's own separate thing. Ironically RN is the most in control of their coalition.
@@BrandonPyle-v5m a part of LR joined the RN and are counted in the seats of the RN, it’s the LR that is lead by Eric Ciotti
@@Johan-em6kg But that's an coherent alliance based on ideas they share since a long time, those people came with conviction
On the other side, not so much
i really enjoy your analyses like this, and i love the way you speak so freely, like you’re just saying things as they come to you, and somehow you make it so comprehensive and clear to follow.
Idk why you're literally the first guy I saw who correctly says that these results are just awful for basically everyone
Not awful for NFP, obviously.
cuz he is wrong bro
These results are good for anyone who isn’t supporting fascist Le Pen or “my thoughts are too complex for the media” Macron
@@DUFFAL02Melenchon is also a miserable fascist, just on the left.
It’s good for pretty much everybody except the fascists, and particularly good for the far left who now have a very strong position in a potential next government.
I guess the NFP won if anyone did... But a hung parliament is to come for France it seems (a shock result).
I thought rn or nfp will definitely win
its the same as in literally all countries of europe
Not really. The RN won, they won most of the votes and gained 50+ seats. In 7 years they went from 8 seats to 144.
@@captainvanisher988 Yeah, but the more seats you have the less you can gain.
@@anuk1311 not in France, a hung parliament is not common
As an American, I don’t understand why the media is freaking out about this. This kind of thing happens in the U.S. from time to time. It’s not a big deal. Life goes on. You spend a couple of years with no progress being made. But, it’s better than having your freedoms taken away. Budgets always (eventually) get passed here. Will France not even be able to pass a budget? Will the country fall into chaos as an ungoverned land? I just don’t get why this is a big deal. Please, someone, feel free to educate me!
It's not at all clear that France can pass a budget; the three main blocs have completely incompatible goals. Macron wants to cut spending, the left wants to increase spending, and the far right also wants to increase spending, but spend a lot of that increased spending hating on immigrants.
thank you toycat, i forgot how good your videos are!! i like your explanations of systems & things, france's system sounds a lot better to me actually!
Ranked Choice Voting is just a better version of the french system though, you don't need to run two seperate elections, everyone just writes down all their preferences at once.
I wasn’t too sure what was happening so thank you for explaining it in great detail. Much appreciated!
France may have single district majority, which is superior to the UK's single district plurality, but the "single district" aspect still limits democracy. In a proportional system, the NR would have 213 seats and be the largest party in the Parliament. The situation would be even more unstable with NPF and Ensemble barely having over 50% of the seats together at exactly 289. My prediction is that Ensemble voters, who voted for NPF as the lesser of two evils when their own candidate withdrew, will find it unnecessary to be Ensemble at all and the party will dissolve. When this happens, you'll have a mostly two-party system with NR and NPF. The trick of withdrawing to ensure NR does not win worked wonders in the short term this time but I believe it will lead to greater long-term losses for the Ensemble and their eventual extinction.
A proportional system allows for extremely radical parties to enter the government though, for example the N's in the Weimar Republic.
It all depends on what you call democracy. In France we consider that deputies represent their constituents, and are meant to bring relevant local issues and perspective to the national stage. That's why we vote for people and not for parties in elections. But it's perfectly logic too that in federal countries such as Germany the federal parliament would only distribute votes and seats between federal political parties
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our country that the people should rule, and that public opinion expressed by all constitutional means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of Ministers who are their servants and not their masters.
In implementation, democracy isn't one thing. What is commonly implemented is representative democracy within geographical districts with infrequent elections and disenfranchisement of folks who's preferred candidate doesn't win. Standard first past the post is technology that was cutting edge in the middle ages. Extending the franchise to all property owners was cutting edge for 250 years ago. Go back 135 years ago, and you ranked choice voting. Time to Uber this problem. Given current technology, what is a decent 2010 approach?
Thing is: most democracies turn into demagogies and the people become a tool to keep corrupt individuals in power.
tbh I think the funniest constituencies were the 2 pretty safe conservatives seats that went to the greens with near ~50% vote share
Either npf ensemble forms coalition government or NFP forms a minority government
NFP is probably gonna collapse into france unbowed and the socialists
Ensemble won't work with LFI which is the biggest party in the NFP, so this won't work
@@DW_25 A socialist or ecologist PM could be chosen. And this is the only coalition possibility, so they'll have to overcome their issues
@@DW_25But they also won’t work with RN and can’t form a majority with the republicans, so it ultimately becomes a question of if they want to be in the NFP government, or on the sidelines of it
@@DW_25 They'll work with the greens and the socialists, the NFP is dead in two weeks anyway.
Let's be honest france's results are a more fair representation of the electorate than almost every other republic's elections
Damn the NFP lucked out a lot!
Thats a large gap between vote share and seats.
They withdrew candidates in the second round, so it makes sense they got fewer votes, as they were not running on many constituencies.
They got fewer votes in the first round than NF, but they were the least bad option for many people. That is why they got more seats
Well, it wasn't random luck. Parties form their tactics based on the rules they play by. If the system used proportional representation, the resulting vote shares would be different
@@jorgea5426That'd follow if they didn't get more votes because the Ensemble also removed their candidates in the constituencies where the NFP was winning. It's a lame excuse to say that they would've won more since the Ensemble and the NFP did voter exchanges to win more seats.
The French people** lucked out, the RN having parliamentary control would’ve been a disaster
@@DUFFAL02 how can yo usay they lucked out when their voice isnt represented? If you wanted one thing and got something you didnt want, is that you being lucky?
I think there is a name for it, when the people dont get what they vote for and instead are ruled by a minority "for their own good"
Thats not democracy, thats dictatorship.
"is that good democracy?"
yes
simply yes
I can’t believe pirates have a seat in the parliament
I love your channel because i saw this online and didn't quite understand it but you always bring a great apolitical explanation for these situations.
As a French, I think that your overview was very clear and correct unlike some(a lot) that we can find on the internet.
What happened yesterday was effectively very surprising. Nobody even in the left thought that RN would en up not even 2nd but 3rd.
And btw thx for not having called the RN a fascist group. Their predecessors FN was but the party clearly Changed from that time. Even for the eyes of a Republican like me.
Just a small tip, when looking at legislative election result map, you shouldn't look only at the general map of France, but you should also look at a zoom on the Paris region which has half of the population and half of the seats, and so the geographic subdivisions are too small to see on a national map
never have i ever thought id watch a minecraft youtuber actually talk about politics and talk about them well
The NFP aren’t far left- they are left and include the far left
Awesome video on parliament and government thats really cool ❤❤
8:35 "I think it's 15%"
-Toycat
Proportional representation is by far the best imo, even if you need to form coalitions
As a French, what amazes me most in this all situation, it's seeing all these guys openly holding tight to power, while looking at us right into the eyes, like there's absolutly zero problem about it. This is truly fascinating
Yet another well-thought out great politics video
In order to get a position in a runoff, you need to get 12.5% of the ELECTORATE to vote for you. Not 12.5% of the vote-- 12.5% of the registered voterbase.
That has a very weird effect, which is that the higher the turnout the higher the chance that more than two people make the runoff. In this case you had three roughly equal-size blocs and also extremely high turnout, causing an unprecedented number of 3-way runoffs (I think more than half of the seats) and 5 4-way runoffs. In theory you could have a five-way, six-way or even seven-way runoff but in practice this is as chaotic as it has ever gotten. The only thing keeping a slight lid on the chaos was the fact that so many of the candidates in the three-way runoffs withdrew to avoid vote-splitting.
ibx, I appreciate the anorak approach to world politics 😆
It actually does help take a break from taking things too emotionally.
It'd be fun to run these results through the US Electoral College and see what happens. The EC doesn't permit ties--plurality gets the presidency. But that's a plurality of electoral votes, not individual votes. US has had these fragmented elections in the 19th century, but not so much in the 20th.
The brazilian ex-president Dilma Roussef once said:
"Neither whoever wins or whoever loses will win or lose. Everyone will lose!"
This matches this french election perfectly!
Was it really a surprise result? Everyone knew that Ensemble and NFP candidates would stand down for each other to keep the right out
They are down on vote share because many of there candidates stood down in areas.
POV France : the power of putting your loyalty to your ideas aside
Going on holiday to France, the fear of the far right made hotels fairly cheap
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The only drawback is 30% of people not really wanting you there in case you take their jobs and make their neighbourhoods smell of Italian cooking.
da fuck, the far right doesnt go out an burn paris every summer
@@electricangel4488you wonder why people “burn Paris every summer?” Because of the far-rights policies oppressing them…
They wouldn’t feel the need to protest if things were good.
Are they the ones that burn them every election or protest?
What's the point of a 3 or 4 party system if they can just form a coalition and block the other party, it's just a 2 party system with extra steps lmao
people should read: National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy by Roger Eatwell. It explains populism really well in quite a neutral but insightful way.
Congrats to richard spencer on becoming pm of the uk
My god I’m gonna hate the ‘told you so’
I don't understand, what is France?
I dont know what this has to do with House Of The Dragon Season 2 Episode 4 but I appreciate the info british man
“If the system works for the people will the people work for the system” maybe overall. Not in France tho
It seems like the far left and the centrist share one common ground. Fear of the right. I can see them forming a coalition. However if their government is weak and falls apart the right stand to take over given the left and the center can be grouped together as a common enemy. It’s a tricky situation to be in but it is fascinating.
the center never really aligns with the left, if anything they posture against the center right and the further right but will always inevitably align with them in the end, if only by conceding ground in policy. Never gonna happen the other way around tho :)
Cringe liberals would never ally with the left
The left parties are all in an enormous coalition and they're extremely shaky and probably won't last for much time. There is absolutely no way an alliance of Macron and the entire left make a solid coalition.
Macron and the centrists are much more scared of Melenchon and the Left than Le Pen and the Right… because Le Pen and the Right keep the wealthy at the top.
I love toycat, but he seems to be a little biased towards the right in terms of French politics. He’s trying to take a neutral position but the Right is far more dangerous than the Left, especially in France.
LOOK AT THE REPLIES TO THIS IN PURE DENIAL. when will you realise leftyshit is status quo, literally denying reality because it doesnt align with some stupid ideology of how you are always le heckin rebels
5th French Republic moment.
“Everybody loses” is a pretty good summarization of most European elections this year, especially in the UK.
Communists are having a field day in the UK don't get me wrong.
saying the NFP isnt doing well because of low voteshare is absolutely bizarre. They didn't run their candidates in around 200 constituencies to make sure the cordon sanitaire holds- yes, thats a lot more constuencies than where Ensemble candidates did their Republican duty.
They didn't run the candidates that were sure to lose and Ensemble did the same.
they didn't run because they were going to lose either way
@@lamogio7938 correct, my point being that you can't use low national voteshare as an indication of bad performance if the NFP itself decides to not run in a quarter of the races to prevent National Rally victories, a goal they largely achieved. It makes national voteshare as a performance indicator meaningless.
Yes but the Ensemble did the same, didn't they? Meaning that they did a voter exchange. So yes they lost because of the low voter turn out their coalition got.
@@captainvanisher988Ensemble did do the same, but in a much lower amount of constituencies (as mentioned in my original comment) and not in all constitutiuencies where they were supposed to.
"2 of the 5 largest economies held elections"
Ehm, the top 5 currently are the US, China, Germany, Japan and India in that order. France is almost a trillion Dollars in GDP behind 5th place India. (IMF Data)
Leicester East had 3 Labour candidates - 2 former (the 2019 winner and the winner from several prior elections) - as well as the candidate they ran. The Liberal Democrats and Greens also ran there, so there was a tonne of left wing vote splitting.
With no Reform running there, everyone who was not centre-left to left would have had to vote Conservative - ergo you can win a riding with 25% of the vote. Which is crazy.
As a Canadian, I am hoping the UK moves to adopt a PR, or mixed PR system of some sort. I feel like we’ll be way more likely to follow the lead of the UK, sad but true, even 150+ years after Confederation.
Corrèze is prolly the funniest example to pick cause Hollande run there, the ex president that came back to politics for this election. It’s sorta as if Obama came back to politics and run for a random seat in Alabama. Sure, it’s a republican safe state, but he’d still win
Obama would not win an election in Alabama
The hexagon?
About mayotte, what is the voter turnout out like are we sure it’s not predominantly “ex-pat” voters there due to low political engagement?
No, Mayotte was part of Comoros and during decolonisation they voted to remain french meanwhile the rest of Comoros islands voted for independence. This led to today's situation where a big proportion of Mayotte's population are illegal immigrants from the Comoros and they live in slums and are considered to be responsible for the high crime rates in the island.
@@riitd1710 oh shit, thanks for correcting me. What is the actual demographics like? I’m presuming they aren’t predominantly from Comoros if they are othering immigrants from there though?
@@winkle_the_wolf4229 Immigrants (can't find if legal or illegal) represent 45% of the adult population and 95% of them are from Comoros since it's the poorest country in the region and they are separated by a 100 kms of water.
@@riitd1710 last election they had a voter turn out of around 41.15% which is stupidly low. Which makes you wonder if political engagement is just low and that has allowed for this surge of right wing votes. And perhaps the ones who are voting are people from mainland france who moved there. I don’t know. I’m just seeing as to why the far right is so exaggerated in this area.
Also what I found is the island actually seems very divided politically. So it’s not an overwhelming right wing majority there. Interesting stuff
Maybe you could say something about Democratic Theory / Social Choice Theory / The Arrow's Impossibility Theorem.
You can hear the British two-party system in the way the author is describing events. It's good that the parties need to collaborate. There are tons of issues, where it's the simple choice of yes and no and each pair of parties should pass the legislation on which both of their voters agree upon. That's how a healthy democracy should work.
It's kind of interesting how easily you can say Far Left for LFI but not Far Right for the NR, when they both went to court over this and only the NR was considered extreme.
To be fair the french courts are biased and also far right has stronger implications
@@eeroraute281 I mean NR is one of the most obvious far right parties of europe, they are litterly founded by neo-nazi parties working together to try to make fascism mainstream. Atleast a far-right party like pvv in the Netherlands can say they split of a normal centre-right party (while they are spreading nazi conspiracy theories)
Please drop this far-right nonsense about NR, they're *far* from it. Whilst the NFP literally has a alliance with communists, and their supporters are torching Paris because they won?
@@eeroraute281 Even if that is true, which I am not fully ceding that point to you, France has experienced directly the the horrors of Far Right governments in the 1900s, where there they blame minority groups to be the cause of their problems instead of internal structures, and it did not go well to say the least. So I believed the decision made by the court was justified.
@@eeroraute281 Whereas LFI's policies shows no indicator that they want to get rid of the capitalist system, which is why it very confusing to me why people would call them Far Left, unless they are trying equivocate both sides, which based on the facts doesn't make sense.
Mayotte voting RN, when you actually get into it, makes a lot more sense than on the surface level.
For at least the last 15-20 years, if not since the 1970s, when Comoros voted to leave France while Mayotte opted to stay, people from Comoros and other parts of East Africa have attempted to immigrate to Mayotte for better opportunities and to be able to give a better life for their kids in the citizenship lottery, where it has been the law up until very recently that being born on French territory and living on it for a period of time entitles you to French citizenship at 18. This wave of people to such a small and already-relatively-impoverished place within the French umbrella has had the consequence of wiping out the availability of medical care and social services for those on Mayotte.
Under those terms, it would make sense nominatively to support a party who want to abolish the incentives of birthright citizenship for immigrants’ kids, and to make immigration much more difficult. On the other hand, Mayotte’s purpose to the RN doesn’t protect it indefinitely, and at a time when it no longer becomes the case for “we’re not racist; we have Black voters!”, RN will likely have no problem making France abandon Mayotte and do nothing to rectify the reasons why people turned to them.
I would absolutely love if the entire world's (far/centre) left and centre came together agaunst the far right like in france
"do you govern for the people who voted for you or everyone?" I mean, there are two answers here. The realpolitik one is that you govern for the people who voted for you. Only by sustaining their support can you continue to be elected. The moral option would be to govern for everyone and hope that by doing good by everyone, you broaden your voter base next election, but you likely have limited bandwidth and cannot do both.
We could also imagine a situation whereby you know for certain that the other political party if they got in would make life worse for everyone, and that the only way for you to stay in is to pander to your base. In that case, do you have the moral duty to play realpolitiks to prevent a catastrophe? Fun moral question which I can't answer
do australia.
French political instability? So... nothing new? A national tradition, even.
Putin better get his refund from RN
"FPTP leads to stable governments" yeah sure...
It *usually* does, unless by very rare circumstance a coalition must be formed like with the Lib Dems. Labour didn’t get a high vote share but got in immediately and got to work, pretty stable if anything else.
@@sirgo0se97 Just because a party is in charge does not guarantee stability considering all the conservative infighting, and things like Trump and its not like coalitions means unstable governments or lack of law passes.
There are no studies that say "PR makes less stability"
@@windwaker0rules no but there is a lot of debate around whether it is more or less stable than FPTP. Took me about 4 seconds to find an article by UK engage about pros and cons and in it it talked about weak coalition governments. I’m not citing that as my only source but that’s a common criticism of the system, and nothing is absolute yes. PR can result in stable govs and FPTP can result in infight’y govs like the Tories, but I’m just talking in a more general sense about the latter specifically. Typically things are smoother when the majority of seats in any body are held by one side. I mean just look at the Netherlands it took 7 months to reach a stable government.
@@sirgo0se97 Isn't it funny how we get stable governments when its "right wing" ones that rich people like.
The most "stable" governments are fascist dictatorships, no one cares about chaos if its happening to poor people.
hardly a loss for the NFP
yeah, like their whole objective was to block the far right and they ended up first.
How did RN win the most votes but only get the 3rd highest number of seats given the two-round voting system? Is it because their winning candidates happen to be in constituencies with much higher populations? If so then why is there such an imbalance in the population size of constituencies?
Because Popular Front and Ensemble worked together, they withdrew from constituencies where either of them placed third so their voters went to each other rather than National Rally.
If you ask me that's kind of bullshit, it's not proportional representation in the slightest when the party with the most votes get the third most seats.
@@crazehsmile maybe I have this wrong but I thought that it wasn't possible to have more than 2 candidates in the second round? It shouldn't matter who came third because they have to drop out anyway, right?
@@aspuzling the top 2 with most votes go ahead and any candidate that got more than 12.5% of votes
Imagine constituency where RN got 40, NFP 20 and Ensemble 15
In this case all three would go to 2nd round, but Macron and NFP worked together in which case Ensemble's candidate that got 15% would completely withdraw for th 2nd round, that's basically what happened in some constituencies in the 2nd round
@@crazehsmileMacron did not work with the NFP as far as I know. He has nothing to do with the alliance.
@@crazehsmile ah ok, I didn't realise that, thanks. I think the answer to my question is simply that RN candidates won by a higher margin in their respective constituencies than was strictly necessary to win the seat. Election maths is weird.
Nouvoule populare front won most seats
Reasamblement nationale won most votes
Blame the game, not the players.
Even Europe needs electoral reforms, despite the situation being much better than in the US.
@@matejlieskovsky9625blame the players and the game. Players that collude with each other to undermine the game and find loopholes within ruin it for the rest of the players
@@Peter-xx6tz what do you expect? Parties not acting optimally? Feel free to blame them for not improving the system, but it is really hard to say that what happened is not the intended way the current system should work. Frankly, I see two kinds of people complaining about parties cooperating - people from FPTP countries and voters of parties that are too extreme to join coalitions.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 you can't reasonably say that the system is acting as it should. If France exists in a democratic system, and the purpose of a democratic system is to represent the people, then the system has failed to to that. It has not, however, been "intended" for this to happen. When they were creating the fifth republic, I have doubt they intended for the largest party to gain the least seats of all the large parties. Ensemble had lost the election anyways, and decided to collude with the nfp to prevent nr from winning. Therefore, both the players, specifically ensemble, and the game, specifically the 2 round fptp system, have caused this. No French election has ever been this unfair, atleast in the fifth republic, and rarely has this level of collusion been seen between two politically opposing parties. Ensemble had a choice to let the right party win (since they had lost anyways) but didn't.
@@Peter-xx6tz The french system was not designed to give proportional representation. So yes, I believe that the system is working as intended. RN might be the largest party, but pretty much everyone else hates them, making them lose the runoff. Would you prefer a pure FPTP like in the UK, handing 2/3 of the parliament to a party that got 1/3 of the votes?
“The left of communist”bro what
New anticapitalist left. The French communist party has moderated itself in the last few decades, so more extreme anarcho-communist parties exist, though very small
@@Abotekapio the entirety of commusist or socialist movement is fundamentally anticapitalist, what are you even on about?
@@milan045 Some are revolutionary while other seek for gradual and democratic change
@@Abotekapio okay, that does not distinguish how far left on an imaginary scale they are tho, saying more left than communist just means nothing. Absolutely. Nothing. :)
@@milan045 It's the same difference between the central left and the far left. Communist in France are reformist and want to change the system from the inside (that implies keeping it in some form), just like LFI is. Not so anticapitalist, leaning more towards socialism. Far left is revolutionary and participates in elections not to access to power, but to represent people's voices. The whole anarchist movement existing in France is barely seen on the political spectrum during elections
Whats also interesting is looking at the different votes per age group, and we can easily notice that the younger generation vote left while the older, 40+ vote right. Its funny how older people can choose what will happen to the lives of the young...
So quiet
I feel like the results aren't disastrous. It is very split but i feel it represents the many opinions of France relatively well (outsider's perspective, please correct me People of France)
Because lack of majority and rather weak coalitions could break down in the next couple years resulting in very poor ability of the functioning of the National Assembly. Assuming the RN doesn't "take power" through alliances they can use the potential poor running "by the Center + Left" alliance as failings of ideology. People are already pressured to try alternative paths to solve the problems they're currently facing. If these problems aren't solved by next election people may become more radicalized and try even more drastic shifts. If the Left and Center form an alliance and do poorly, I find it quite likely the RN will win the next election assuming something more radical doesn't come around.
@@c-simile1632 I hope it doesn't come to that. I'm mainly hoping for the center-left alliance to find good enough coalitions with parties on at the very least JUST the governance they both agree on. Functioning of the country will be alright, but like you said it is possible the next votes will lean more extremely AGAIN either way.
@@NexusSpaceyits pretty bad from a European democratic perspective. The biggest party by vote share ended up coming last among the other big parties because of, what can effectively be described as, collusion to subvert popular demand. Compared to the American or British system, this is great. Compared to say the Netherlands or Belgium? Its terrible
As a french citizen, I like to watch how the world understands the situation in France, and tbh I think you did the best job of all the videos I watched.
Also I would add that RN votes are not only due to income inequality. More often, the people earning less in those parts of france don't even vote and live lifes of depravity and delinquancy, which drives the rest of the population from those territories to vote RN, in hopes that France could regulate illegal immigration (which is bringing a lot of poor people with no skills and that france doesn't even take care of despite being the most taxed country in europe)
Those muslims on mayotte voted for them because of illegal immigration from africa
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0:02 You mean two of the largest ten economies? Neither France nor the UK are in the top ten.
the Uk and France are 6th and 7th respectively
I think you meant 5
@@xeradse Oh, yeah, my bad.
bro, just slow down a bit
See guys its democracy working when the most popular party (total votes) gets the fewest seats...
the republicans won the popular vote? huh
That is misleading. A lot of Ensemble and NFP candidates who received a substantial amount of votes in the first round withdrew to allow a Ensemble, NFP or LR candidate with more votes than them to win. Around 70% of left wing voters whose candidate retired switched their vote to the non RN candidate, and that is also the case for around 50% of centrists and rightists. This was a Democracy Vs RN election, and democracy won by a clear majority
@@gabi10cg see it's democracy is when my team wins. 🙃
@@TopShot501stwhether it was democracy vs RN matters less than if it was perceived as such.
Many people voted just to make sure RN wouldn’t win, many people did so because they feel RN would harm democracy.
In that respect it was democracy vs RN
The disparity in number of votes is shocking. How does the most popular party by millions of votes come third... The center and left basically colluded to prevent democracy from manifesting the popular will.
Cry
It's not really subverting democracy unless you are thinking each voter only wants exactly their party to win.
Priority #1 for most French voters was to keep the right-wing out of power, so they voted accordingly.
For example, if the centrist candidate withdraws, Centre voters have the opportunity to vote left or right based on who they think is better. They don't like the right, so they vote left.
@@fra604 Cry? If you are anti-RN, this elections results are bad news. Now the party can’t be blamed for the incoming chaos, and Marine Le Pen has no obstacles on her way for 2027. The best outcome for those who oppose Le Pen would have been that Bardella becomes pm without any absolute majority, making him useless and having the French public opinion hate the RN before 2027.
@@fra604 "I am okay with disrespecting democracy when it benefits me" says a lot about your character
@@simonteesdale9752 You are assuming that the 6M centrists who voted for Macron's alliance are all in favour of Melenchon's alliance over Le Pen's, which is plain false. Many centrists want just that, a centrist party. The backlash from the initial RN victory in the first round was too great and swung the pendulum the other way. It was another miscalculation from Macron.
Most of Africa has extremely right governments...
they are not very educated, most of people dont even vote and their democracy is barely democratic
11:54 Not a single English name in that list.
Claudia Webbe
@@luke8958 I thought I'd ignore little miss acid attack.
@@BradTheThird that statement was found to be untrue by the crown prosecution service but ok
I was gonna help you until that one last line
Far left and centre polls will fall in the coming years due to deadlock and you can expect that next election RN can get 1st place if it's not gonna be a majority then they will continue to grow till centrists will be gone...
What do you base your prediction on?
@@milan045 I'm going to assume he views it as: If the Center+Left coalition doesn't work together as well as a single party would and faces deadlock, then their administration will be effectively slower and less responsive and will get less done. Many people wont attribute that to their lack of majority, but rather as a failing of the party and ideologies in power at the time. The RN can use this as ammunition to claim the Center and Far Left aren't fit to rule or are incapable of finding solutions to the issues currently facing France and the World. People will likely either be influenced or swayed by this stance, and in the next election will be less likely/willing to vote for Center or Far Left parties. If the issues facing France and the world aren't solved by the next election people will be more likely/willing to try something new and perhaps more radical. In tandem these two shifts will likely result in a RN majority.
The latter of those shifts is similar to what is happening to the rest of Europe. International financial hardships and the consequences of Covid/inflation/recessions aren't being viewed as an international concern, but rather a failing of the acting powers. People want these problems to be resolved and since the acting powers haven't been able to make things better than they were in living memory people are moving toward more radical ideas in an attempt to find solutions. In the perception of a "Center + Far Left Ruling Coalition" being unable to solve these problems, what other "solution" or path could a French Voter see for the next election?
Centricide jgeg
@@Hiljaa_ Jr. Egg was right all along. Crazy stuff.
Vote wise, RN did get first place (37% of the vote, I believe). But that was spread throughout multiple different districts meaning they didn't receive the representatives they should have.
get rid of governments.
It’ll work, for a while. Then people will get really fed up of having to stop to fix up the road on a journey and come together to collectively agree that one person is in charge of having the roads fixed, and everyone is going to chip
in a little to pay them and pay for the work. Then people are going to get fed up of mowing the grass in municipal spaces so same deal for someone to oversee that. Eventually they will have thousands of these employees and some of them do a bad job so they want to hire someone who will oversee all of them. Except no one can agree if they hire the person who wants short grass and cheap but quick road fixes or the person who wants longer grass and expensive but long lasting road fixes. They come up with a fair system to decide who gets that job, and choose to limit it to 5 years, just in case they were wrong.
We call the whole system… Molitics.
@@PippetWhippet so we need a road authroity not a government?
@@mrcat5992the point is, you would have a road authority and a park authority and a hospital authority and a cutting down dangerous trees authority and a footpath authority and a care home authority and a beach authority and a water authority and a gas authority and an electricity authority and a rivers authority and a fish stocks authority …. You get the point.
Eventually it becomes worthwhile to employ a few people whose only job is to be in charge of everything, because, as I said, people are people and you will get someone in who’s terrible at it, or good but making unpopular decisions.
You need to learn to pronounce the names of cities and regions in france properly. why did I even click.
I actually think the French version is worse than the British one.
I think First Past the Post sucks, but at least you can argue that it produces stable governments even if it isn't representative.
French elections both failed to be representative (9 million votes less seats than 4 million) and an unstable government (3 way legislative lock).
Most of the time the french version creates a stable goverment
I have this crazy idea, its called democracy, whoever gets the most votes wins.
But who cares about a stable government if it doesn’t represent the people?
Radical example, a dictator could run a stable government by mere fact that his will is law and nobody else matters, but nobody wants a dictator to rule over them.
If you don't want representation then why not have an one-party state? Long standing dictatorships are more stable than most democracies and more efficient in implementing policies.
I want to stress for the comments again that I don't like First Past the Post. I think its one of the worst forms of democracy. I was just steelmanning the FPtP argument and even then, the French version fails.
I've become so disillusioned with Democracy in general that I think the only good government would be a dictatorship with me in charge, but since that's never going to happen I must instead settle for the least terrible option.
I hate democracy sometimes
New Popular Front is not far-left though~
So the RN is not far right.
@@MrBurnsExcellent : Well they actually are.
@@nouche What policies of RN are "far-right"?
@@viloinvictus : First, there has been an official classification made by the French Ministry of the Interior, which was then confirmed by the Council of State. NFP is made up of 4 parties from the “Left” block, with France Unbound being the most radical but still very much a left-wing party by all means. Their policies are all classic stuff from the left; you could even argue that President Mitterrand was even more on the left, nationalising all the banks etc. And yet he was merely from the Socialist Party. The left/right split is not immutable. And, yes, NFP does include Poutou’s party which is far-left but it is an incredibly small fraction of the alliance, so I believe it is safe to say NFP is *_NOT_* far-left. Even LFI is not an absolute majority within the alliance.
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On the other hand, the National Rally (RN) was classified as far-right by that same source. The Council of State clearly writes RN as a party within the “Far-Right” block at the bottom of their table.
Second possible source, there’s academic research in political science. The criteria for the far-left are quite simple:
- Anticapitalism
- Rejecting the institutions
LFI wants reforms but not a revolution. They want to change the way the country works but do not want to remove current institutions.
For the far-right, the academic criteria are as follows:
- Nativism
- Anti-democracy
Nativism is quite simple to prove for RN: they consider that the French are “at home” and want to reject immigration. Whether that be based on race, ethnicity (of which only the latter really is a thing by the way), religion or nationality.
Anti-democracy is… a bit more complicated. Obviously, I trust most RN members are not against the idea of elections and voting. Some fascist 20th century parties were against that, but probably not RN, at least in their public claims. However, would you say that a country where some portion of the population (say, Jews, as an example) is not allowed to vote or access certain positions is still a democracy? Most people would argue not. And that’s where it’s at: rejecting the fundamental rights which make up the democracy.
So that’s the most important point, actually: rejecting part of the democracy which is fundamental legal rights. Principles such as equality, abortion, freedom of religion, fair trials in justice, and so on.
There’s that general idea that there are some “parasites” both at the bottom of the social ladder (i.e. immigrants) and at the top (i.e. the elites). That criterion was also identified by scientific research.
Now, for their policies, I think we’ve identified the important ones:
- National preference
- Kicking out criminal bi-nationals
- Blocking bi-nationals from accessing certain positions
These all go against the most fundamental and basic principles of equality.
Last but not least, there’s also history, I guess. The National Front/FN (old name of the RN) was created a few years/decades after WW2, by two men, one of whom was a member of the SS… you know, Hitl3r’s military police. The party was created by a Nazi, that’s just a fact. And Jean-Marie Le Pen has taken multiple racist/antisemitic stances. I trust there must have been some evolution since, but it just isn’t a good look.
So in the end, parties like LO and RN are extremes, but parties like PS (part of NFP) and LR are not.
@@nouche
>an official classification made by the French Ministry of the Interior
i.e. "The French government wants to fear monger people away from RN and have called it 'Far-Right'"
>However, would you say that a country where some portion of the population is not allowed to vote or access certain positions is still a democracy?
I would say it is not a democracy IF said law was targeting those living within the state *legally* . As the National Rally is proposing such laws against those residing within the state *illegally* (illegal immigrants), there is no issue there. So, no. They don't even fit both criteria for "far-right".
>- National preference
Wanting to focus on your own people instead of people migrating and taking residences and work from the native population is... le far-right??!!!
>- Kicking out criminal bi-nationals
Yeah, that's not far-right. That's just getting rid of criminals.
>- Blocking bi-nationals from accessing certain positions
Said "bi-nationals" being illegal migrants... so, again, not far-right. Just enforcing the laws that are on the books.
>And Jean-Marie Le Pen has taken multiple racist/antisemitic stances. I trust there must have been some evolution since, but it just isn’t a good look.
For one, Jean-Marie Le Pen isn't even leading the National Rally anymore, and his personal stances don't wholly represent those of the National Rally. Secondly, you are holding the National Rally to the ideas it has shed, as you have said "there must have been some evolution since".
>So in the end, parties like LO and RN are extremes, but parties like PS (part of NFP) and LR are not.
Again, this is literally the French government saying "The parties we like are not extreme, but the parties we dislike are extreme.". Socialism is inherently an extreme, you are *stealing* the property of one and giving it to the state to redistribute because others are less fortunate.
Anyways, RN isn't "far-right". That's just a label given to it by the French government and the media to push people away from it because it threatens the status quo.
Macron's gamble was worth
It screwed him, but it was great for the people
@@DUFFAL02 No it was not mass immigration is actually an important issue not just a right wing talking point and the left said they wouldn't mind increasing it.
I guess Macron will finally leave France for Russia
Le Penn is the Putin fan. Quite vocally so.
He won't
@@col.hertford9855 that is a lie
@@ash_11117 not really, she’s been extremely complementary about Putin for years. Publicly she seems to have back peddled a bit, but it’s hardly convincing.
@@ash_11117 "I have a certain admiration for Vladimir Putin because he doesn't allow decisions to be forced upon him by other countries. I think he focuses first and foremost on what is good for Russia and the Russians. As such, I have the same respect for Putin that I do for Ms. Merkel." -Le Pen, as well as saying that she must be "pretty popular" to be re elected multiple times and that she would lift sanctions off of Russia if she could, she's also had 11m+ dollar loans from Russia for campaigning but she has denied that they effected it much.
The fact that National Rally lost is a god thing, that means everyone else wins by contrast.
you think *macron* is a *radical* leftist?
He is not and definitely will never be.
He is the most center right politician there is.
@@olivers.7821 He can't be that much because he basically joined with the leftists to stop the right.
1:40 People to the left of Communists...can you get any further left than Communism
was wondering what that would be, like super communism? mega? MAGA! Figured it out i think
Fully automated luxury gay space communism
@@FozzQuaker They are moderate, more reformist communists. There are anarcho-communists to the left of them
Anarcho primitivism? You go so hard on making everyone equal that you reject technology itself. Or maybe posadism. Welcome to the wacky ideologies that only 3 people unironically believe
Yeah I get the feeling this guy is more open to right-wing positions than left-wing
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The French are civilised people
nuh uh
not radical left, just left
I quoted the article right on the page when I said that
@ibx2cat and besides, a Socialist party is most definitely "extreme". Taking property away from one who earned it (or even just inherited it) to "redistribute" sounds alot like theft.
Communism is not radical? Marx would be angry with you.
@@viloinvictus Why should a few families inherit all the wealth while the rest of the country is in poverty?
@@NemeczeK101 French PS is very centrist, not communist at all
So France also has an issue with poor people voting against their own interests.
if you think the left are gonne help the poor you havent been paying attention for the last 100 years
How are they voting against their interests?
@@kmerczerwony1739 Right wing poltics are always bad for the lower class. Cutting spending= less welfare/state support/infrastructure. Tax cuts for the rich= more of the same.
@@kmerczerwony1739 Right wing politics are always bad for the lower class. Less government spending= less assistance/welfare. Tax cuts for the rich= the same thing but with less income for the government as a whole.
@@JonBrownSherman You seem to be projecting your local (I assume, American) politics onto Europe. "Right--wing" isn't the same as "economically liberal". Poor people have genuine reasons to be concerned with migration and the state being unable to give them security. It's quite strange to assume that a group cannot have interests which go beyond improving their economic situation. And this is assuming economic policy that the RN is proposing (which is pro-market but quite far from ultraliberalism) will affect them negatively. E.g. tax cuts on fuel will definitely help reduce living costs for the poor.
And, from a purely electoral standpoint, it's impossible that the antiestablishment left will rule. So people desperate for a change have to vote for the right.
I really hope we stop normalising islamophobia, antisemitism, homophobia, fear of the poor and others.
Islamaphobia isn't real. They don't respect women/ non muslims safety. No place in a civilised society.
So we have nazis and nazis(socialists)
most smart centrist
@@nathanl4083 most smart uhh, uhh uhh.
smartest person trying to have political takes (they think the nazis were socialist)
people who think Nazis are socialists are the same people who think North Korea is a democracy
@@user-tp8pf5ke8o Nazis were indeed *economically* socialists. You lefties simply can't handle that fact.
4:10 Something, something... less education leads to increased right leanings...
Your dubious feelings of superiority will not stop their fundamentalism.
something something people getting fucked over by the government tend to vote for those against it
@@lamogio7938 They voted for RN because they actually have their own immigration problem(from Comoros). It’s not as much about race there, as it is about
social status
Idk, I think the fact fascists didn't get in means everyone won
They arent real fascists they are right populists your buying up the leftist propaganda
@@epiccrusadr8583 Hitler was a right wing populist
@@ProsecutorZekrom hitler was also a socialist in the tradition of the vanguadist