LG QNED Rejection is a win for Samsung! What’s Next?
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Didn't Samsung strike low when they called their tech QLED? It tried to needlessly confuse people that it was the same as OLED.
note to self: come up with ΩLED
@@yuriythebest "Theta-LED"
Good point. Maybe this was tit for tat.
Exactly!
Love LG but they took an L for this one
LG is Damage Controlling like a pro though.
@Nookey 69 hard I think you answered your own question.
I personally believe the LG QNED TV having an IPS panel makes the LG superior to the companies such as Samsung, Sony, Hisense, and TCL that use VA panels. My basis for saying this is because the VA panels have such TERRIBLE "Viewing Angles." The reviews from websites such as RTings are correct when they point out that even those expensive Sony VA panels have terrible viewing angles where the colors perform incorrectly the moment you start to get off from the center. The Mini LED technology gives the IPS panel blacks that can actually compete with the higher-end TV sets.
I agree although I prefer IPS due to different reasons. Gaming on any VA type TV causes lots of artifacts due to slow response times. Notably transitions from Dark to slightly lighter Dark colors. Many reviewers don't mention this and it is such a big problem. Just search on youtube about ghosting TV. All the models there will be VA based.
LG needs to stick to what it is good at: making OLED's.
Oleds,at the moments accounts for only 3% in sales of tv.they still need LCD for a while before they can dump LCD for good.
@stryfetc1 buy warranty at places like best buy becasue it does cover it 🤷🏽♂️
Curious, what good is 12 bit without dolby vision? I know samsung has hdr10+ but no one is really taking advantage of it. Would you still see a visual difference with plain hdr on a 12 bit panel? Is 12bit more so about fixing banding more than effecting hdr?
This didn't age well
nah, to me, name wont matter AS LONG AS THE PRODUCT IS GOOD
I'm looking at the lg qned 80uqa for $800... Is it good buy?
Is there going to be any 50 or 48 inch tv for gaming next gen consoles This year, like it should be???
Will local dimming be included in the game mode setting?
So the 86 lg mini led will be good?
9 series? It has the ability chip.
Loving my 75QNED99UPA 75" TV. All companies will battle each other for market share. I have always been a Samsung fan. I will say the QNED even with an IPS panel looks mighty fine to me. I do agree using IPS is to not step on its own toes with OLED. I was disappointed with my 60" Samsung from 2018 which the LG has replaced.
I have my 55 inch LG CX on standard picture mode basically all of my settings are on standard should I change them will that really change anything?
Standard, aps or hdr. No need to put it on vivid becasue it's not a samsung
I’m wondering if the $4000 price you mentioned for the 65” a definite thing? I’m looking to buy bigger so I’m really interested in those prices. Love the videos!
Last year TCL talked about the vidrian having active matrix backlight control, is that still coming on the 2021 TCL’s?
I've been told by TCL that OD Zero is active matrix, but not Vidrian technology (which is unique to TCL). During CES I suspected that OD Zero is similar to what Samsung is using in its Quantum Matrix miniLED, and in a recent interview, TCL Europe representative implied the same, so it really comes down to image processing but the QN900 and TCL OD Zero could end up being very very close. Crazy stuff!
When can we see a review of the 2021 LG QNED 90 and 85 series?
What about the picture quality of the LG 70inch nanocell 75uqa because that have a VA panel, can you test it out and see how it compares to other brands with a VA panel
@stopthefomo, would you recommend this LG (65QNED996PB) or Samsung s95b?
Great video FOMO! Funny to see about the intention LG choose the QNED name, didn't know about that
Just like how Samsung gets away by fooling customers by calling a LCD tv QLED
Way off topic. But, why can’t my Sony900e not do 1080p at 120fps? On the new COD Cold War...Going nuts!! Won’t work on my 24inch hp monitor either. With ps5 console. Anyone know why?? Please help...
Is there a date for the release of those two tv. Oled evo and qned 900?
This is unbelievable I never knew I could get a A8H Sony until I meet a kind man like 5CODEHACK_ER 0n Instagram he helped me with one of the TV I appreciate you sir if you want a Sony 65 A8h (inches) massage him now..
I'm looking forward to see what can be achieved with mini LEDs.
Settled on a 2020 OLED 77”. My wall can handle 95-100”. Perfect timing for the next upgrade when prices are reasonable. MiniLed will be good enough in 3-4 years along with the size @8k and content @8k
Hope u get a good PANAL. BEEN SOME BAD ONES 😐
@@stevencharles9247 I lied it was a 2019 Sony master series since they didn’t make a 2020 masters
@@DCfocal never mind😀😀
I'm thinking 85" is the minimum size for 8K (and sitting 7 feet away), to truly get a sense of the resolution
Okay, this makes me happy. Save QNED for the actual next generation technology. And my favorite brand is sony 😬
But why was the QNED trademark for LG rejected today? And not a month ago!
They want to keep it opened to all company's
@@samwalsh8299 Because of red tape. Everything's political when dealing with the government.
@@BoricuaBoy88 Samsung drug their feet in getting the trademark and, unintentionally left it open for their competition, IMO.
But they should have known better.
Does a wider color gamut in 2023 mean lots of 12 bits TVs to lookout for?
So, "LG Quantum NanoCell" then?
Lol
This is so typical of LG, this is yet another example of LG devaluing its customer's by marketing repurposed as innovative. I definitely see the benefits of Samsung's QNED technology, which addresses the main drawback of LG's OLED.
However, it will be interesting with Panasonic releasing the JZ2000 if the updated Heatsink is worth it, once Panasonic has confirmed what HDMI 2.1 features are made available in 2021.
IPS panel viewing angle is much more better than VA . You missed it unfortunately.
Even if LG were successful in their ownership bid for the "QNED" trademark, I would hope Samsung's original "QNED" technology would still release eventually, re-named and would still probably make OLED technology obsolete if...say, plasmonic technology (to eliminate "burn-in") is not ready to compete alongside it.
Will there be a mini led tv under 1000
Why always shit on the LG? Reviewers put Sony/LG/Samsung together and film them LIVE always show LG having the best overall performance. And I'm talking about just the Nanocell vs QLED. Sony is just a normal LED so it's not even worth mentioning, but people enjoy paying Sony tax because many misled them.
Sooo who si better LG qned 90 with ips panel por Samsung nq90A whit ads panel ???
I’ll be waiting for news on the Samsung QN95A
Definitely going to be buying a TV in 2021 and probably one of the three you mentioned at the end of video. Looking forward to your review.
so it's now 2023, what did Samsung end up calling their technology? I'm going to be buying a TV later this week so I really want to know.
But the VA panel has a bad view angle compared with IPS. Why is VA better if it cannot be viewed from the side without degrading the picture? IPS produces not only better viewing angles but also better colors, maybe that is why LG uses IPS, because, to most people, color is more important, because we want a gorgeous picture. Please, explain.
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I think I'll save some money and go for last year's CX 65" OLED and call it a day.
you won't be disappointed I have a 55 inch CX picture quality is amazing
@@mikalli2185 Thanks
Im thinking of doing the same going with the 77” cx only reason I haven’t bought it already is because im still not sure if oled is the best way to go for gaming
@@mikeytaylor1111 Oled is definitely The best way for gaming. But if you fear burn in(which you shouldn't) a samsung q80 and above will suffice.
Qned90 black level with local dimming is 6000:1 wich is pretty respectable. + IPS has a more 3 D image than VA and better viewing angles, QNED is actually underrated.
Right! Not everybody wants a VA panel!!
Whoever thought TV’s could be so exciting lol.
I'm having such a good time with the drama going on in the AV community.
if only the oled didn't have burn in then I would be done with this fucking bullshit of searching for tvs
@@ightimmaheadout290burn in is an overstated problem for most viewers. Check out rtings oled tests.
@@crushtinbox1 I should've clarified that I will solely use it for gaming and static huds are a huge issue and i tend to go in gaming sessions 4 hours+ a day. Huge problem for games like rdr2, borderlands, etc
Once you go OLED, you never 👎 go back
Returned my CX for a Q90 the next day. You cant give me a dim picture and tell me its top of the line. I can just lower the brightness on my samsung.
@Nookey 69 hard Just because it isn't oled doesn't mean it has shit contrast.
yeah but it has burn in which stresses every gamer out even if they vary content. It's always in the back of their brain unless they get warranty, but either way it's annoying as fuck
Once you go burn in after just a year or so you never go oled again. Lcd/led needs no baby sittning
@Nookey 69 hard
My 65“B7 had Burn-In 2times within warranty -
panel was exchanged 2times by service-team,
after that i sold it... i miss the contrast and colors... i really do! But now with a Nanocell TV i have no pain leaving it on while watching powerpoints, class-sheets and every other content on it... OLED is just not made for every user-profile. I can‘t wait for microLED to be available and affordable!
Unfortunately i hate VA-panel colors,
especially with sdr-content the colors look bleachy and washed out compared to ips...
I tried a samsung qled q60r -
and swapped it for a Nanocell 86 after half a month... i am used to pc-gaming-monitors (mostly ips-panels) and like the look of them, va-panels are just not for me...
I'm telling you fomo we gotta get a 3 way shootout video
I take a IPS Display over VA for mixed usage every time. In monitors IPS is the superior tech, too.
Samsung already lost the battle in the US, their 4 models this year will once again have 1 HDMI 2.1 ports
Not necessarily... Samsung was going for a well-balanced TV for all users. Most people only have one next-gen console. Most people watch movies in the day and in the night.
I have LG, but if Samsung were to add Dolby Vision, my next TV would be Samsung! DV is not a game changer, but I have many 4K discs with DV and they DO look better in DV. Although I think that they may have gimped HDR10 in order to make DV look superior.
samsung should go for Quantum RED ( R is for Rod) OR Quantum NED
really 360p?
This year is LG qned very cheap I wonder if it is a 2020 model but no and it has mini LED, quantum dot, nanocell and dolby Vision sounds great maybe I'm buying the 75 inch model off the qned 879qb a comparison video to qn90/95b would be great
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Not a big deal. They will come up with another name or another trademark. It may delay launch but it continue on.
Hey FOMO, loves your videos, I saw @HDTVTest
has a similar video but about the future of Mini led vs Oled, you must make collaboration with him, he is awesome too :) will be a very very interesting podcast.
Doesn't Samsung get all their panels for LG?..🤔
What’s stopping other companies from doing this? Wouldn’t LG just be losing its position as a leader in tech with this mentality? Isn’t it about options? Just weird. Especially for companies that don’t have viable OLED options.
Don't forget tcl od against the other 3
In the meantime, the LG-QNED actually looks better than the Samsung. It’s also a little less expensive and a better overall value, so what do I care what initials they put on it? Also, I remember going to Best Buy back in the day when big screen TVs and LCD were first getting really popular and they would spend 30 minutes telling you how one TV was better because of the technology. I don’t care if there’s a mouse on a wheel inside of it if this TV looks better than that one that it is better.
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Well look like that narrowed down my choice to Sony I was going to go with LG's Nano mini LED TV might as well go with a TV with proving technology. I might not go with any mini LED this year because some of them are just in 8K form and not in 4K and some 4K models are just a carry over with no new technology case in point TCL 6 series I'm not looking at Samsung because they don't support Dolby vision and I doubt they're going to have more than one HDMI port and OLED is going to be out of my price range.
Check out Hisense, at least, if you're not interested in 8K. They're coming out with 4K miniLED sets this year.
@@BoricuaBoy88 yep Australia is getting theirs next month I don't know when the u.s. is.
Dolby vision should not be a deal breaker 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@Arteaga4K well a lot of movies are now using Dolby Vision so it would be kind of a deal-breaker if you watch movies I'm also a console gamer so Samsung would not fit the bill.
Am totally shocked Boss 🤩
You sure bout this or this is one your of your (vrr) moves
Not one company will get a trademark simple. Am tired nowadays where is the door 🤣
You forgot to mention that LG lost the trademark?
Dude I was waiting for that part the whole video
I think the things I care about are completely different from what "some" other people care about.
Sure dolby Vision, or a broader Colour output is nice. I'm not super bothered about what kind of pannel it is so long as the TV is "bright enough" and doesn't smear images, I'm only bothered about how the TV displays Blacks if it prevents me from seeing what an object looks like - Sony TV do some weird things with shadows sometimes on some content (Games especially), that I don't much like (possibly because the image processing is off) - where as everyone else is playing in the same ballpark and it's just a matter of degree..
But I care about.
1) Reduction in image blurr on fast moving images & no weird aliasing on fine edges that the TV causes itself
2) SD & HD upscaling to 4K not looking completely horrible
3) Playing nicely with legacy devices
4) Decent number of outputs on the TV
5) Not horrible base sound
5) Gaming features - as many as possible - though to be honest I'd be OK with 120hz @4K and some sort of frame compensation, VRR is nice but sometimes doesn't work as well as it should and might even be better turned off and have some of the image processing left on, proper Black frame insertion seems to help though.
6) I do care about energy consumption a bit - as some of them can be a bit in your face in the Electricity they burn. I don't really want my Electricity bill doubled by using a only slightly bigger TV. 240 watts is a bit much, so technologies that make that worse -don't appeal to me - i'd rather have a dimmer screen than a doubled electricity bill.
I don't really care at all about
i) Viewing angle
ii) daylight/dark room performance (unless in a dark room you see dirty screen issues) my room doesn't suffer from sun washout and I have curtains for the summer when I might get a little to much light on the screen. But to be honest I mostly game in the evening so not an issue and I don't watch TV so it won't get used during the day as much.
III) I'm not over bothered by the operating system on the TV - but it's always nice if they actually respond to the buttons when you press them - as some TV's really just don't.
There are some things they never can tell you about a TV when they review it but can be told from the carry over from a previous year - like does all the text rub off the remote buttons for example ?
Would not buy Samsung over lg. The lg screens normally.have a wider viewing area than Samsung. Agree is not a va panel but have generally found the lg tvs to be better.
I still think it’s funny ips is considered absolute crap in the tv industry, while in monitors va is considered the cheap option (besides tn). Despite you always sitting straight in front of a monitor and a tv often has multiple people watching
I get what you're saying but a tv needs to be able to display a wide range of contrast and ips panels sadly are terrible at that.
Ikr? I don't get this. Isn't IPS supposed to be the best panel type?
A few years ago I bought a Samsung LED TV, I was blown away with the picture quality and quickly upgraded all the other TV’s in my house to Samsung. Initially I was so impressed and thought I’d done the right thing. Wrong, one by one the apps stopped working on all those TV’s until the only way was a fire stick plugged in. Although this was a terrible way to use a £1200 TV at least I could use it. Then the dreaded Samsung purple blob of death appeared in the middle of the screen. Never again will I ever buy anything Samsung (I’ve even just ditched my Samsung phone for iPhone 14).
IPS has better viewing angles and better color reproduction vs VA. so no its not really inferior.
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Is it confirmed that the "LG QNED" uses an IPS panel? Where did you hear this?
If its a IPS then its a major fail.
IPS is fantastic for a business monitor, but not good enough for entertainment. VA is superior for color brightness and viewing angles.
@@lakorai2 bruhhh wtf? IPS has much better colour accuracy and Viewing angles. VA has to achieve Them with Quantum dots...
MiniLED will Make the contrast very good... And best LCD picture quality
@@leelo3252 va has a far wider contrast ratio whether it's "qled" or not.
@@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast turned off LEDs are black they don't get more black with a va Panel...
@@lakorai2 others uses ads panels which is a China version from ips its basically the same
Nothing to wrong with the QNED i have one viewing angles are fine and plenty of brightness and great colours its a superb tv no complaints from me iam a previous samsung tv owner but decided on the LG this time over samsung
Lg had a 55 in qned and it's priced at like 790
I would definitely buy the QN90A instead of the C1 but the price is fucking high as hell.
What a great video, well explained, and really to the real content, the rest of youtubers just fill me with garbage info!
Lmao! I think I now know why samsung made that oled 😂
But now its registered and selling superb
I know this is 1 year old but 2022 Lg's qned85 is a great tv. Blacks are good unlike what you say in this video. So maybe LG made improvements over their first release(2021)? That being the case you are wrong about LG not wanting to compete with their own oled line up. This is a good alternative to oled especially for people like me who have bright rooms with plenty of windows. I've owned this set for a month and would purchase it again over an oled. But to each their own.....
Does it show good in dark rooms ?
If only LG sells their Nano and fake QNED TVs at markedly lower prices than their VA-panel competitors, it would've been a win for LG! Closing out the lower price-point LED options and securing the mid-to-high-end OLED options, LG would've succeeded in volume sales while not compromising visual superiority of their priced-OLEDs. Instead, their Nano nonsense are just as expensive as Samsung's and Sony's while performing worse; while their OLEDs are significantly more expensive than typical LEDs costly only half the price but giving 80% of the performance. 🤦♀️
MiniLES STILL LCD PANEL its old technology
Quantum nanos.. pshh. I want quantum laser beams
This video had me looking hard at the bottom left side of my LED monitor. Thought it had developed a crack somehow in the glass. lol
Samsung should let u design a tv for gamers
@StoptheFomo They got Rejected for the Trademark in the U.S by the USPTO, being told QNED is already a mainstream technology/ term and thus they can't Trademark it. but LG claims they still reserve to market their product "LG QNED MiniLED" or some mix w/ the LG brand describing the panel. They can't simply stick "QNED" on the box as a panel description. The false advertising that will produce will be enormous to those who know the difference.
2:20
"This is smaller than micro LED."
So wait. Samsung is offering a _consumer_ television with _smaller LED's than micro,_ yet the cheapest micro LED TV from Samsung is reported to cost $80K. Just exactly _what_ the fuck are you talking about, sir?
Which brand do you prefer, LG or Samsung?
Have one oled LG at home for movies and one Samsung 8k at the office for its resolution (spreadsheets and cad looks great)
LG for OLED if I could only choose between LG and Samsung.
Samsung for PHONES.
LG all the way. Samsung loses by default for no Dolby vision
Samsung
Nether, I go for which company can give me the best value for my money. I've never been a brand loyalist. Too many corporate slave fanboys vs facts and logic.
OLED’s are just on a different level
I lowered the brightness on my qled and turned it into an oled.
@@MM12331 haha I get it, now increase the contrast, lower the blooming and dse and there’ll be no diff
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OLED,s are stuck at one level dim only way you can adjust it is go dimmer trying to make it brighter just washes out the picture making it pointless to even give you the option 🤣 be nice to see what the evo panels can do.
@@Sy-lv9om I’m cool with the brightness, the colors seem more natural, the black levels are better, the clarity and clearness of the picture is just better . Then there’s the design lol sleek, thin, child proof lol that’s a big one for me .
Omg more hate for ips. What a wiener. I prefer ips for the viewing angle and colors. I have an ips pc monitor, ips tv, i even did an ips upgrade to my gba, and this fool think ips is an inferior technology compared to va?! I don’t need infinite blacks, lol. To my eyes ips is a WIN!
Who cares lg got oled technology
We reallly shouldn’t care , it’s just random names to con us for money
Mini LED is the hot talk this year so they fumbled not putting effort into their lcds
Lg got burn in technology
Mini leds are where it is at
But if I have a bright room? And competition is always good for us consumers.
Very Shady LG. Tsk Tsk
I guess LG is bombing for this year on Mini LED!! Fomo just wondering why do you wear white gloves all the time??
avoid fingerprints on the TVs and camera lens when adjusting my TVs during review, and it ads contrast when I'm wildly gesticulating, then it just became a thing
I honestly prefer IPS panels for their superior viewing angels
Noone:
PC guys: IPS is the best fuck everything else and VA is just BS
TV guys: VA is the best LCD, IPS is outdated inferior tech
both differenc usecases tho. When watching a movie you want great blacks and high brightness for highlights, IPS can't do that.
Yea sure 1000:1 contrast ratio IPS for the win... VA is a better tech if its done right, as we seen with samsung g7.
I'm surprised. They let Samsung register QLED which is close to OLED. Samsung originally called QLED, SUHD. Is SUHD different from QLED?
And intentionally misleading calling it QLED. The Q is supposed to look like an O
Implying you could even try to attempt to own the (X) Light Emitting Diode as an acronym is one of the stupidest things i've ever read on youtube. It's LG's fault for not using a brand name.
Essentially it's like green tree's existing in nature for a long time. Then you invent yellow tree's and sell them as YT's (yellow tree's) and then thinking u could sue your competitor for launching red tree's sold as RT's.
Honestly think long and hard about what u just said. Literally brain dead. Obvious LG fanboyism is showing to the point you are fine in suspending logic in order to justify what you're saying....
If LG had invented the Light Emitting Diode full stop originally u would an argument perhaps
I have lg qned90 very bad only 3 months of use screen start to have gray cloud in center lg can't fix it no saper part what a funny warranty the lg supplier in kuwait till me that only they can do refund money with dedication of 25% then it become 15% when I complain to LG they didn't do anything so my advice avoid LG
Just a friendly questions. Why do you wear gloves ?
Covid-19?
Fomo.
samsungs new technology is self-emiting.
LG itself stated that Oled is still their superior technology because their qnet still needs a backlight panel.
also both brands cannot release these 77 inches on the market for commin folk like us until 2027, you still pay for micro led production cost 3735,- a panel in 2027.
oled is here to stay for a long time, even 77 inch 8k oled is in reach, so imo all these technologies are going to fail.
Whats with the Mickey Mouse Gloves? lol
Cannot believe you are spouting rubbish in here. Both Sammy Neo QLED and LG QNEDs are mini LED tech. And not all Samsung Neo QLED panels are VA panels. In fact majority of them are and were IPS panel - mainly till QN85A which is awesome btw is IPS/ADS. The next version QN90A uses VA panel.
In short, IPS panels are not as bad and with mini LED effectively creating 25,000/30,000 dimming zones on 75-85" sizes, the blacks are far superior. Saw Samsung's 75" QN85A last week and saw LG's 75" QNED90 today next to C1 and Cx OLEDs and was blown by both miniLED TVs and I am picky. Yes, nothing can beat OLEDs on black levels, but these things come close at 60% of the prices especially for LG QNED ($1.8k vs 2.5k) with 2x brighter pic and better color and no burn-in risk or limited to 15,000 hours use on the OLED (Blue LED). And I got real lucky, 75" QNED90 was on sale at MC for just $1299 and got the last one. It has got Dolby Vision and 4 HDMI 2.1 ports unlike Sammy which has no Dolby Vision and has just 1 HDMI 2.1. Only bad I could see is not as good reflection handling like the Sammy's QN or the LG OLED.
The LG mini led tvs are gonna get crushed by samsung 😭 I was hoping they tried with this
They'll get crushed by EVERYONE with MiniLEDs. Their LCDs are some of the worst, and they would never have one of their LCD models come even close to their OLEDs.
Crushed - nope as long as no Dolby vision Samsung won't be crushing the competition
@@ak1996able Dolby Vision isn't a make or break feature 😂 but the samsung's gonna be brighter and have near oled level black levels, LG still using IPS panels in their lcds and then wonder why they never take off 🤣
@@punkem733 Sonys Micro Crystal LEDS are very close to OLEDS, they have very black blacks and no panel seams at all. Way better than Samsung
@@ak1996able I've literally never watched HDR content on my TV..... I don't care at all.
What's your content options for HDR now? besides a couple of terrible movies made by a creatively bankrupt modern hollywood ? Maybe when Gaming and TV goes to Dolby Vision i'll care
idgaf what they call it. Im not buying anything that isnt an OLED.
Coming from a 6 year old Vizio 4k tv, I am really loving the LG QNED. The vivid setting really makes it so much better.
Vivid mode is horrendous
Lol no vivid is super oversaturated
QNRED
Asians fighting again, CZcamsrs, Tv makers