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- Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady talk about what could have been on the Orlando Magic with Tim Duncan.
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The more T Mac finds out about the situation the more it breaks his heart I feel for em man it just wasn't that fair back in the day at least he's not the only one.
Right?! I feel it especially because I'm an Orlando native. I remember back in the early 2000's in middle school everyone had a #1 Tracy McGrady Orlando Magic jersey. I really feel for him because he wanted to be here because he grew up a little over an hour from here. T-Mac just had an unfortunate twist of fate, smh.
Doc fucked that all up
Wow fr
Duncan vs Shaq, T-Mac vs Kobe in the Finals for the early 2000s..... wow.
The Wallstar The Lakers system would have a been a mismatch
Kobe would have more finals MVP's because Duncan would have challenged Shaq. Lakers possibly stay together to challenge T-mac and Duncan. Lakers possibly same amount of rings 5 or 6, but more finals losses. LeBron different start to his career possibly same ending because age is still a factor, but it's fun to think about. I'm pissed if I'm T-mac
bio2020 omfg i never thought about that. just crazy to picture that
But to be fair, Shaq wouldn't be able to check Duncan either. Kobe vs T-Mac would have been a show for the ages though, and could have turned into an amazing rivalry in the finals every year
@@zach6395 duncan in 03 was amazing
Hill, tmac, and duncan!?! Oh my lord...
that would of been fuckin nasty
Spurs would've never happend
except that Duncan already took the Spurs to the promise land in his sophomore year lol. But yeah I agree that the dynasty and Pop would've never happened.
Nah would’ve just been Duncan and Tmac. Hill already was downhill.
Steve Sung for real tho
TMac’s jump in game going from Toronto to Orlando is on par with Harden going from OKC to Houston.
Zion Vain you sound like a hater
Zion Vain I’m just saying they both jumped from role player to superstar when they switched teams. Chill your nuts.
Harden is way better than Tmac and he carried worse teams than what Tmac was working with in Orlando and lead his teams further in the playoffs as welll he has carried the rockets since he came to Houston so shut your hating ass up because you don't know what the fuck your talking about bitch "Zion Vain"
Zion Vain dude stfu. Harden right now is better than any version of Tmac. Buddy couldn’t even win a playoff series
and the think is T-mac was the true role player when he's on toronto, Harden is like the 3rd core on that okc roster, he even won the 6th man if i remember correctly, Harden always has help, T-mac always has to do things alone
Damn I feel bad for T-Mac
We all do
That’s why I never got out of the first round of the playoffs
He should’ve stayed in Toronto
What was Doc thinking?
PurpleEssence He wasn’t.
Theres no way Duncan, Grant Hill and TMac wouldnt win at least one championship together
there is a way... shaq,kobe in 6
It took shaq and Kobe 7 games to get past SAS imagine if Tim was with Tracy a young mike miller I think they would have had a great chance
Pacquiao Was Robbed Shaq and Kobe never had to go to 7 vs the Spurs. They swept them in 2001, beat them in 5 in 2002, and beat them in 6 in 04.
+Jigga My Nigga yeah, but with Tim, G.Hill, and Duncan would've easily won a championship
T Mac, Duncan & Hill > Shaq & Kobe
Being an Orlando Magic fan is super depressing. Our entire history is essentially summed up to “what could have been”. Shaq and Penny, Tmac Hill and Duncan, Dwight Howard etc.
Fegis Mcclaren omg so true. We should have at least 3/4 rings. But the talent we had is extremely unique. Penny, Shaq, Tmac, Dwight, GHill. Exceptional and versatile players
I was a fan then too....How about Dwight getting there a year after McGrady left!!!! smh, they got rid of Matt Miller too!!! who later in his career won a title with Lebron smh
What if Stan Van Gundy didn’t start Jameer Nelson over Rafer Alston in the 09 Finals? What if Nick Anderson made those free throws in the 95 Finals? 😂
Portland is on train as well. Brandon Roy Greg Olden passing on Michael Jordan
@@mr.weirdandwild5123 How do you not draft MJ or KD 😂😂
Damn.. Doc cost the magic at the least TWO titles, He's TIM DUNCAN okay.. like lebron james he's a once in a life time player, a generational talent
lol who t'f mentioned anything about KG
@Wilt Chamberlain GOD of NBA Tim Duncan is the best PF ever and a top 10 player all time and when he won his ring in 2003 neither robinson, manu, or parker were good yet so stop hating
Hill always has the cleanest fade.
Left Right look who he smashing! He better
Always liked Grant Hill. Good dude
Melly Mel agree he’s pure class
I was a kid when T Mac was in Orlando. He was my favorite player and it killed me when he left. But looking back now, I’m so mad at Doc Rivers. Every magic fan has to be sick to their stomach knowing what Doc did to our team. Because he was too proud to let one of the greatest PF’s in history’s family travel with the team?! We would have won at least one championship, maybe even more. Thanks Doc!
Trust me sick to my core. Tmac and Duncan even without G Hill in the east would be making the finals up in till 2010
Ditto....man this sucks for tmac. Doc made the biggest mistake ever...
man, orlando has made so many mistakes. SO MANY!!! THE PAINNNNNNN
So at least 3 of the Spurs Ships could of been Orlando's? Smdh at Doc
Dude doc didn't want to bring Austin Rivers and his wife. Dude wanted to party.
Because of this show I'm realizing how many people fucked up T-Macs career 😂😂😂
Got T Mac thinking about could beens. This why I don't get mad at LeBron. But K.D could went to Houston or home to D.C and it would been all good but not Golden State.
Me if KDs move to gsw got blocked by Steve Kerr for some bs reason, and gs don't win another title and KD goes to dc and doesn't win a title, then he finds out in 20 years, after 20 years of abuse that the warriors "were overrated" and "KD was just a scorer and not a winner" we would be bashing Steve Kerr and KD would be wayyyy saltier than Tmac
but he's a hofer unlike penny who shld be one
Ray Allen fucked up his career in 2013
Imagine it though. If Duncan did sign with the Magic, Grant may not have been injured because the plays would have been different, Duncan would have gotten the ball at times and it would have changed whole game. One little thing derailed a franchise. Orlando was one of my favorite teams back then. I grew up a Charlotte Hornets fan but when they moved I hated them. And I could never get behind the Bobcats. So Orlando was probably my favorite then. Use to love seeing the penny and Shaq connection there too. So much history. Also I always wonder with if TMac stayed with the Raptors. They had Billups, Carter, McGrady. If Billups would havd came into his own the same way, and Carter and T Mac could be like a one two punch like LeBron and Wade were, they could have been a multiple time finals team.
I disagree with Grant's injury. He was always hurt in Detroit so idk if he wouldve been healthy in Orlando.
@@spectre4627 you'll always be hurt most of the time if you over exert yourself.
Grant broke his ankle prior
That's incorrect...Grant was hurt his last year with the Pistons prior to coming to the Magic he would have been hurt anyway & wouldn't have been there regardless if Tim Duncan came or not
You would've had to have gotten Larry Brown you coach the raptors to get Chauncey as we knew him. Flip side of it is, he would've wanted the team gutted if you brought Larry on board. Lol
Damn maybe big baby was right about Doc all along lol.
Aint no maybe about that
Doc should be slapped onsite by Hill and T-Mac every time they see him.
They almost had Tim duncan but doc dumb ass said no
He was right.
he was right
Tim Duncan+T-Mac+Hill= Guaranteed Championship
T Duncan on any team is a guaranteed championship.
3 peat at least
If I was t-Mac I would catch a mean , clean. Fade with doc for that Tim Duncan shit lol
it would be on sight for life, with that nigga
#StayMe7o on god lmao
Every time doc seen me he would have his hands up ready to fight 😂😭
Right Doc would be "On Site"
Grant Hill had the potential to be one of the greatest players of the modern era but his career was riddled with injuries. Sad.
SubXero thank you for the summary.
Cook'n W/ Curry a summary is 5 sentences dumbass
Penny, Tmac, Drose MAN FUCK INJURIES
Blame the Piston's medical staff for misdiagnosing his ankle injury and making him play on a broken ankle
Mr Guy cut it out Kobe earned every ring
T-Mac and Duncan vs Kobe and Shaq. would have been amazing to watch
I am the biggest orlando magic fan in the world and i really do get sad watching this tmac is my favorite player off alltime and duncan in orlando atleast 5 titles together grant hill healthy would have been a alltime great
William Lominchar 5 titles woah chill maybe 2
Jayylen 24 who would have beaten prime hill tmac duncan o and mike miller
Grant and Tmac healthy..they would of done ABSOLUTE damage to the league. Ppl tend to forget how great a player Hill was 😳
ShowTimeGaming who do you compare hill in today’s nba? (Didn’t see hill play)
Hashoa R. He was LeBron before LeBron pretty much
Darryl Shaw
That's interesting you say that because I feel like McGrady was KD before KD. And those 2 would have been great to see what could have been if injuries didn't derail both of their careers. To make it even worse they could have been paired with a young Tim Duncan so they wouldn't have had to exert so much energy which in the end caused their injuries. I don't care what anyone says but T-Mac is still one of my favorite players ever.
Hill was the player with the most upside after Jordan retired the second time in 98. He was supposed to take over the league, he was like a better version of Ben Simmons when fully healthy. (Ben could prove me wrong if he continues developing the right way) but Hill woulda been a monster if not for the injuries. He still had a decent career however.
i think they would have come out of the east every year from 2000-2003. i am not sure about titles though. there was this beast known as shaq and kobe in the west. maybe in 2003 they would have beat the spurs. i do not know how they would have done against that behemoth known as the 2004 pistons though. would have been sweet to watch none the less
Tracy was simply electric in Orlando. It was amazing to watch him at 100%. Just like Penny Hardaway in his prime.
In my opinion this is the biggest “What If scenario” of all time
Tracy McGrady entire careers is what if. Vince... Hill.. Yao.
career*
BRUH IF DUNCAN WENT TO ORLANDO AND GRANT STAYED HEALTHY MAGIC WOULD HAVE ALEAST 2 RINGS
riqo steel WHY YOU TYPE LIKE THIS IS YOUR CAPS LOCK BUTTON STUCK BRO? NOW INSULT ME.
Nal they will have like 3 or 4
At least 3!!!
They will get at least 3.
Grant Hill is one of my favorite people ever, no doubt. Love that dude much respect ✊🏾
#salutetogreatness
That's just not fair Doc River.
Grant hill was incredible pre injury
He really was. He was incredible at Duke too. Held back to play a role when Laettner & Hurley were there. When G Hill took them to the 94 championship game, he literally took them there himself, on his shoulders with no help. In all honesty, I'm a Mavs fan who watched every Mavs game at the time, Kidd didn't deserve to split that co-rookie of the year. Hill was just better. He was like if you combined LeBron & Kobe into the same player.
Joshua Frick Totally agree. Hill was a rare talent. Pre injury better than kobe and Lebron in there own debuts imo. He was definently showing Jordan esque qualities before life happened.
Doc messed up big time lol
Ricky Rozzay yes but also the raptors messed up too. They could have had Billups, McGrady, Carter, Oakley all on the same damn team at one point! Hell maybe if they would have kept Antwan Jamison instead of Carter, McGrady could have co-existed better on the team. Jamison, Billups and McGrady would have been a solid team back then too.
DJ Skandalous oh yeah for sure they missed on so many players it was crazy
Doc always messes up! He only got one chip in Boston! He only got lucky because Kobe was hobbled, and bynum was injured. Doc couldn't do $hit with the clippers and he has a super star cast! Bench was deep also! That ni99a doc a bum! Dont know why he still coaching.
@@xman2738Yeah the fact that he wanted to start off t-mac slow (pretty much come off the bench) didn't help matters.
Well doc got kawhi and pg now so he learned from his mistake
2:38 Tracy like y'all stop bringing this up
A lot of great players in NBA history just lucked out in a lot of ways with the teams they were drafted or traded to, and those teams' ability to recruit great players to surround them. That's the reason why a lot of top 10 all time lists consist of mostly Lakers and Celtics players. T Mac could have had multiple rings and been regarded a top 5 all time player if he had just a little more luck in situations like this. Can't forget his bad luck with his health too. People forget how incredibly amazing he was in his prime. He's so hurt in this video.
there was a time t-mac and Timmy and Kobe were fight for the no1 player in the league :(
Exactly situations really is what define your career. Especially if you’re drafted to the expansion teams. No doubt Tracy Mcgrady was a Tier 1 basketballer in his time like KG, Duncan, Kobe, iverson, Shaq, Dirk. 2 scoring titles in Orlando? He would be averaging 37 right now easy because he has the ability to pull up off the dribble 3’s.
Every Monday Yup, that's why I never had a problem with LeBron leaving Cleveland in 2010. As a player, you gotta take control of your own destiny if your organization isn't putting you in good situations. This business of staying loyal to a team just because they drafted you is nonsense.
TMac is seriously the unluckiest player in the NBA.
Luckily, he's Justified Hall of Famer
Nah that would be Elgin baylor in my opinion
@@chrisgivestricks1810 I agree. The Original high flyer before Dr. J and Air Jordan.
grant hill should be in the hof
he is now
Kobe said McGrady was one of the toughest to guard.
he would've been better than kobe
That' damn true I remember when him and allen iverson be putting up 40 or 50 point games back then now they will dodo on this league .
Doc Rivers and his crew, ladies and gentlemen!
These comments about doc rivers got me crying 😂😂😂😂
Tracy gotta be one of the unluckiest greats of all time. Even retired one year before Spurs won the chip.
This big 3 would have been so nasty they would’ve own the east back then
It's good to see Hill and T-Mac being able to share a light-hearted moment like this, and in have great careers after basketball. Yes, they had the fame and made a lot of money back in their day and probably still now but it's all about living life to your potential, and you wonder what sort of effect injuries and not winning a championship had on these two. It's corny to say, but if you can't be a winner without a championship, you'll never be a winner even with one (or several) - and these two are winners.
The sickest duo they could've been since MJ and Scottie.
That's Timmy D!! If he wanted let him drive the damn plane.
Grandmaster Mamba If he wanted it make him the damn plane 😂😂
Grant was incredible prior to the injury. Would love to hear Tracy’s talk with Doc.
Oh my Gosh we could've had Tim,Grant and T-mac this is hurting me as a Orlando Magic fan but past mistakes are there for us to learn from
@King Savage hay shut up Lakers fan or Celtics fan
Grant hill for President👍👍👍👍👍👍
Tmac had Detroit Piston champions down 3-1 imagine if he had help.
THEY COULD OF HAD A CHAMPIONSHIP!
COULD HAVE! DIPSHIT
Hey Paul, where is your wheel chair?
When I was younger, I was envious of Grant Hill's game - now, I'm jealous of his hairline... :-)
Grant Hill knew about it the whole time and never mentioned it to TMac until now. Ouch!
I had a pistons starter jacket because of him and I live in pa Grant Hill was the ultimate if he stayed healthy
T-Mac "wait a minute, are you telling me this NOW?" 😂 😭
Detroit GH was my favorite player next to MJ back then. Imagine in 2000 a Magic team having a prime healthy GH, T-Mac, Timmy and coach by Doc Rivers...Damn! That would have been a nice finals rivalry with the Shaq and Kobe Lakers!!!
Tmac is involved in 4 of the biggest what ifs in NBA history. What he stayed with Vince in Toronto, what if Grant Hill stayed healthy, what if Duncan goes to Orlando, and of course what if Tmac himself stayed healthy.
I'm kind of mad i just discovered this show. I loved Tmac growing up. I wish i still had my Tmac 2's. Going to watch him him play in Orlando was always great even if they lost both times I went. I got to see him score 62pts one of those times.
I love the people in back
T-Mac and a health Grant Hill would be locked for the Finals during those years. Grant Hill was on his way to being a top 5 player of all time. With Duncan, they would've been a freaking dynasty.
Fila 🏃messed his feet up
Tee Martin 😂😂😂😂
😢
Tee Martin yeah it was the cushioning system compared to the old school Grant Hill's in the new school you can tell a big difference in the cushioning
T-Macs face.... MAN....... as a Spurs fan, THANK YOU Doc!!!!!
Man I told Tmac write a book called ‘What if’?
T-mac is an example of "what ifs" is a person lol
If we got Duncan, Hill and Mcgrady vs Shaq and Kobe in the Finals would have been a hell of a Finals match up.
T-Mac, biggest ring snub ever
So many what ifs with T-Mac. He is my favorite player All-Time Almost played with Kobe and Shaq. Almost got traded to Chicago for Scottie and would've played with Mike. Could've played with Tim in Orlando. Could've stayed in Toronto. What if he never got injured
Grant stay sharp bro
The jump is always fun. Grant Hill Paul Pierce And Tracy really Nice good guests.
If Duncan would've gone to the Magic that's one of the greatest frontcourts in history. Theirs no debate!!!
Grant Hill for president!
Would have loved to see that even though I'm from San Antonio and Tim Duncan is not just legendary in the NBA but he is a legend here in Texas but T-Mac was my favorite basketball player of all time and see him get a ring would have just been Monumental he should have been on that 2014 Spurs team who beat Miami instead of the 2013 he was on the one we lost
T-Mac is just crazy unlucky when he finally got to play with Tim D in SA we lost to the heat cuz of Ray Allen’s shot 😭
Ik it probably wouldn’t have happened but imagine the magic with Shaq, penny, T Mac, Hill, and maybe Tim Duncan if you wanna add him. The real threepeat
Rachel imagine lakers with Magic, Kobe, worthy, Kareem. And shaq.
K Woosh, Magic, Worthy, and Kareem were done before Shaq was drafted and well before Kobe arriving. So that scenario is not possible.
Rachel's scenario is because they were all in the league playing at the same time.
Eddie Bowles k
Imagine Shaq and Kobe on one team coached by Phil Jackson. Damn! Threepeat at very least.
Eddie Bowles: Cap Space bro. Just another fantasy scenario.
Doc Rivers contemplated about granting Duncan's request but then he thought "Wait, If I get Duncan, I won't be able to add my son Austin to the roster".
Duncan in Orlando with prime tmac and hill would have for sure won a championship in the early 2000s. That would have put them over the top
Timmy under Doc wouldn’t be the same as Timmy under Pop
amazing
by t-mac's expression you can tell thats the first time he heard of that
Daaam, Duncan and T Mac. That would have been special.
They laughing now, but must be super pissed off at the time
I love how the staff reacted 🤣 they knew the history of the NBA would have been different with Duncan going to Orlando that time
Damn...tmac, hill, and duncan...that's would have been a dynasty...
grant hill is under rated, i am surprised to learn about how great everyone expected him to be and the amount of injuries and operations he had to go through, that man literally nearly died and yet he managed to come back and play in the nba...
Hill for president....he git my vote already😁😁😁💯💯
DAMN YOU DOC!!!
Coulda set a record for 3-1 leads blown in the Finals!
T MAC, HILL &, DUNCAN DAMN
Oh Orlando, so many what if moments. Now we're basement dwellers
im still laughing that they traded elfryd payton for a second round pick then he dropped 30 on his 1st game with his new team😆
Man I feel the pain too bruh. Still loyal still the end. Orlando Magic!!
Chris Ellis yup dont forget Courtney "Tyga" Lee missed game winning and tying lay-ups twice in 2010 Finals games
Wow, with Tim Duncan on the team, the magic would ha e easily won two maybe even three championships, and tmac would have been finals MVP at least two or three times!! This is a hell of a birthday gift!!
You know what with NBA 2k18 you could put together this team. The core players are there. I’m going to try out this Duncan, TMac, And Hill team to the test. Against the 01 Lakers.
Grant Hill - Ben Wallace felt like a very lopsided trade at the time, and is still a lopsided trade for the opposite reason.
I’ll take it one step further: hindsight is 20/20, but hardly anyone remembers who Orlando traded (sign and trade) to get Grant Hill: Chucky Atkins...and BEN WALLACE. If there was some way to keep Wallace and pair him with Duncan, Hill and McGrady? My god.
They would have played the Lakers in the finals a couple of times
remember penny hardaway...shaq...horace grant...nick anderson...orlando was cool then
billz co penny the goat
Jason Avery yessir
Cruel world! Paul Pierce over here laughing at TMac career lol
LMAO when PP just assed out Grant and TMac at the 2:46 mark.
Tmac, Hill and Duncan would be a serious scare to Kobe and Shaq.
That would've been crazy!!! Dag doc rivers.
They should make a documentary about T-Mac's career and the title should be "T-Mac: What if"
Doc is a dub for that! LOL
Omg that team would of been deadly if Hill was healthy and Duncan playing there.
That’s the problem when people don’t speak up for themselves. Grant Hill should had said, “ Doc if you don’t allow Tim’s people on the plane ✈️ I don’t want to play in Orlando or for you.” Then Doc would had probably allow it..
Grant hill top 100 of all time
that's such a shame. if he was healthy he would've been easily top 20.
Someone needs to put a hit on Doc