Beginners guide to starting the Boeing 747-8i in Microsoft Flight Simulator after the AAU2 update
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- An updated video looking at the start-up procedure for the Boeing 747-8i in Microsoft Flight Simulator, starting the aircraft up from cold and dark, and taking it for a circuit of Stansted airport to try out approach mode.
The procedure I followed (still a work in progress) is available to download from the following link:
ko-fi.com/s/f46c8ff562
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Volanta (flight tracking)
- volanta.app/
Simbrief (flight planning)
- simbrief.com
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are we just going to ignore that small plane spinning lmao *you spin me right round, baby, right round*
Ur so cringe
Lmao
lmao
Right? He didn't even chuckle lol. I was like, there is no way he doesn't see it hahaha
That's probably the best tutorial I have ever seen - clear, no waffle, no umms and errs and not annoying! Genuinely useful 👏🏽👏🏽
Love the little plane dancing for attention in the background at 12:26
All of my startups. I have learnt from this man. I owe you my swimming life😊
There are more detailed startups out there - I just show the very basics :) There is always a lot more to learn after you get the basics done :)
The wheelbrakes have been made less effective in both the 747-8i and the 787-10. The reason, according to Working Title, is that they are more realistic this way, closer to reality as these heavy Boeings truly can't slow down that quickly with wheelbrakes. I like their new inertia.
I’m struggling to slow the 747 down from low speeds to make turnoffs with max braking. These things have phenomenal brakes, after all they have to be able to stop from high speeds at MTOW if something goes wrong. I suspect they’ve gone too far in the other direction. 🥴
I had this happen to me, I had to turn the autobrakes to off after landing and it seemed to give the break control back to me
Amazing video!, for a long time I have been looking for the proper FMC initial setup, it really made a huge difference, thank you for an excellent explained and easy to follow instructions!
Thank you for this super video. I finally managed to set up the planes Map and computer inputs to really use my flight plan from simbrief. It was very helpful for me! 👌
Thx man, I really appriciate your explaining in a good and understandable way.
I'm taking down notes. Thanks Jon.
Thanks again for your solid, precise and lively tutorial.
short and clear. more than helpful. many thanks
😆 i love it.. took out all the ground crew equipment and personnel and then through another aircraft
Hi Jonathan, this is my goto video when flying the 747, thank you!!!! Hopefully I will get to remember everything at some stage and just do it naturally😁
Thanks buddy, you are fantastic. This is an outstanding tutorial. Looking forward to many more. Cheers👍
After doing hours of flights with this plane, and my favorite at the moment, and coming back to your videos, it becomes easier to follow and notice some details that I questioned or didn't do or know. A great video to come back to every once in a while.
Hey buddy. I have a question. The autopilot I get I can set the speed, vspeed, and altitude all that. But the lnav never follows the purple line for some reason it just keeps going whatever heading it’s at. Why’s that am I doing some wrong or not setting something up? Thanks
I just use high altitude airways and direct to the destination airport. Is the game not putting the flight plan into the fmc do I have to manually enter it like this guys doing
Brother, this has helped me immeasurably! Thank you so much! Between you and V1, I’m flying the 747 around as a 3 week old simmer. :) I’ve had a few bumps along the way but I get better every time, and this video is my go-to.
hi, from where did you get this stable or which version of 747-8i ?
@@siddooo985 I fly the 747 that came with MSFS, along with a sound and visual pack from “More Right Rudder Mark”. It works great!
Thanks again for a great tutorial…I think its going really well…I use the default navigation system and it works well with this…msfs is a bit swamped with airbus’s as we say “if it’s not Boeing, I’m not going”
Very concise. Thanks for the upload.
Thanks for the detailed explanation
Very helpful video thanks for sharing as it’s a great help for a beginner to Microsoft flight sim. 👍
Thanks for everything man. After AAU2 I just couldn’t fly the 787 or 747, but after watching your how to videos on these 2 airplanes. I can fly them again!! Did my 1st successful flight in the 787 after AAU2 from London Heathrow to Paris Charles-DeGualle
Glad I could help!
AYYYY YO FROM TRIPS LIVE
@@snxppy_cc ayyyy!
747 is my favourite plane
@@user-jj4wl3rx9t For sure! My fav IRL is the A350. In the sim I like the LVFR A330!
Great video explaining all the steps after the update!
You could also set auto brakes to RTO(Rejected Takeoff) which would engage if there is a loss of thrust during takeoff. I don't know if it would actually apply the brakes but it's something I still like to set.
Yep - I've modified the checklist to include it recently.
You are a legend helped so much
Thanks Jonathan, you've put the plane through its paces and given us an idea of how to do it as well. 😄
the spinning AI plane had me LOLing every time it popped up on the screen
I think the ILS is sometimes not working because the wrong frequency is loaded often.
You can check it on the world map when you put on the NAV AIDS filter, then select the ILS at the END of the runway to see the frequency
Trying to set this plane up for long haul is a pain with all the waypoints, trying to set one actually managed to crash my game lmao
Did anybody else notice the Cessna 152 spinning around in circles in the beginning of the video?
I'm not a Boeing guy, but I'll give this plane a try. I flew the 747 in X-plane, but never in MSFS.
I recommend you do 2 engines at once when pushing back at least as it is quicker than 1 but slower than 4
Great video.
And thanks for the checklist, by the way, the TCAS to TA/RA on the Aft Console should be CTRL +6
I know because I read every button and switch on CTRL 7 and 8 🙂
Hah - I'll fix it next time I take a look :)
Thanks
Looks good, the 787 is even better. It also took you longer to slow down because you forgot your auto brakes. But excellent video.
Auto brakes will come on when they can - typically (and it varies by aircraft) you use reversers until a given speed, then just wheel brakes - to avoid rubbish being sucked into the engines.
@@jonbeckettYou don’t know that much about this type of aircraft or their operation, so if I were you I would say I don’t know rather than make something up! Auto brakes don’t come on “when they can”, if set they come on immediately after landing. Reverse is a distant second in importance unless it’s slippery. This applies to Boeings!
I must agree with Stephen on this one. Autobrakes are absolutely not automatic, they don't come on "when they can". They are set to the maximum setting for takeoff in case of an abort and are set to Low, Medium or High for landing, depending on the braking action required. On the A380, the autobrakes have a BTV setting, meaning Brake to Vacate. You choose the exit you want to vacate the runway at and the plane will adjust the braking action to be at turnoff speed at that exit. Bottom line, autobrakes are always used on airliners that have them.
Look at the autobrake control situated just under the gear lever. The RTO setting (rejected take off) is always selected before takeoff, always. And apart from off and disarm, the 747 has multiple autobrake settings that are chosen and set by the pilots. They don't come on when they want or when they can. Sorry Jonathan, but you have this one completely wrong.
@@Gilles45 I didn't explain very well. I meant what you said - the profile of brake pressure will vary according to the aircraft speed, and other parameters. It's not just a "stop asap" function :)
wow not bad.. Looks like asobo simplified the process. when you clicked the APP mode all that AP's came on together.
We don't want simplified, we want to SIM :)
I don’t got this game yet but when I get a better pc setup I’ll rewatch this vid
so we just ignoring the small GA craft breakdancing in the background?
edit: okay, he mentioned it lmao
Hey mate thanks for great video!
Would you recommend the default over the Salty?
I’ve only previously transferred over to MSFS, originating from XP11 so I’m trying to get it figured out.
• I had multiple long haul’s on XP11 but since MSFS looks better and all and I got the PC for it might as well sim there
Great video, thank you! how do you have the pre-defined flight plan you enter in fs before starting the simulation in the fms like it was doing before?
I'm not so sure you can any more.
Excellent video, thanks. I am never being successful in Vnav, it just doesn’t decent, do you have a video on that? Thanks
Great tutorial! In the legs page, what does 2nm and 240/2500A mean for example? I assume it's speed and altitude but it's really confusing. And will the FMS automatically give me an ILS every time?
The FMS will only give you ILS if it's there. 240/2500A means 240 knots, above 2500ft above sea level.
Great video. Thanks. I followed all your instructions, plane started making circles before I reached Brain. ? Then it started decent
Yeah - you have to keep an eye on the 747 - it has some bugs :)
Welp ..after watching this cleared my APU problem, after the update I noticed all the changes, but everytime I got to the part where I need to cut the apu off? The whole plane was shutting down
When I try to configure the ZFW, I left click, the FMC gives me a value and I click to confirm, the FMC returns an Invalid Entry message. The same happens with the CG option (and they don't show me the values of V1, VR and V2). What could it be?
Jonahtan does the autothrottle work on the takeoff roll? I tried it last night and it didnt engage, I had to engage the throttle manually until I was in the air and then the vnav managed the throttle after I engaged the AP..
This was helpful. Would you recommend Salty mod or the default one as of now? Confused coz I've never flown either of them. Thanks
I would wait until Salty have brought their mod up to speed with the latest update. To be honest, this now elevates the stock plane to the same level or better.
@@jonbeckett Thanks for the reply. I am happy to see the default air-crafts are starting to become usable now.
I can’t get my map to turn on on the MFD. Just says TCAS off and then “MAP.” Also my Yaw Dampers are constantly INOP. What happened? I followed the MSFS checklist?
A wonderful video apparently more for people “simming”on PC.I am on the Xbox and was doing alright with Auto Pilot and ILS approach.Lately that has gone haywire in the sense that after take off when I put the aircraft to Auto Pilot, instead of turning to the required heading it continues on runway heading. Though manual heading change takes it towards intended destination the aircraft does not intercept the localiser or the guide slope in a manner that it automatically brings it down to runway threshold.The LOC and APRCH buttons do not seem to have any effect.Do you think it could be due update in so far as Xbox users are concerned.
The XBox and PC versions are the same as each other. You need to have a complete flight plan with no discontinuities and fill in all the performance data for LNAV and VNAV to work (and turn on flight directors, and align IRS).
You forgot to arm the autobrake for landing. That is why the rollout was too long.
How do I change back to the old version?
13:05 how do you know the heading of the runway? Is that listed somewhere or do you have to look it up and then plug it in?
I know it - but you can also find these things out from LittleNavMap or Navigraph. Failing that, if it's in the US, ChartFox will probably have all the diagrams on their website. Or Volanta...
Did you have to tune the ILS frequencies for this aircraft? Seems like it’s automatic.
If you program the flight plan into the FMC, it should be automatic.
How do I set the "difficulty" for this era? For me to control the transfer of fuel, ISL, light and pallet.
There is an option to run started and not started, but is that all the options in X-Plane 12?
thank you for the advice
The stock 747 that comes with MSFS is simplified - it's not a "study level" aircraft at all. Also - the 787-8i is mostly automated anyway. There are stories about an earlier model of 747 being in the works for MSFS - that will be MUCH more fun (and harder work!) :)
"More than one Brain in the world" 😂😂 darn, I thought I had the only one.
Hi ,after the AAU2 update, 747 8i the landing and taxi lights no longer work ! is it the same for you?
But it is working great
Does the reverse thrust work on the TCA Airbus Quadrant for the 747-8? I can’t get it to work.Any help would be good.
Yes - you have to map the correct axis, and then offset it appropriately.
21:30 Is that a cessna break dancing ?
My 747 when I engage lnav and vnav does not follow the flightplan and the altitude (I previously put the prefered altitude in vnav). Anyone knows what to do?
I am not sure if the sim goes into this much detail, but you want to make sure the waypoint you want to go to is on top of the legs page on the fmc and you are on an appropriate intercept heading.
Altitude set in the mcp in the climb might be overridden by an altitude restriction in the fmc when you’re in vnav.
Hi Jonathan,
Thank you for the video. I need some help: ever since AAU2, I planned to fly this aircraft today, but the throttle won't work!
So, I spawned the aircraft on the runway, engines, and everything running in order. Take-off-ready. But when I pressed A on the Xbox controller (connected to PC, Steam edition), the throttle won't budge. Then, I selected the throttle manually and tried pushing it forward, but it still didn't work. I tried for a good twenty minutes before aborting the flight. Any ideas?
Thanks.
That sounds like a WASM problem. You have to do a fresh launch of the sim every time for the WASM add on to launch, if you use quick resume it won’t stay active in the background.
I have msfs 2020 for pc, not on steam though, and I also experienced problems at first since AAU2. I couldn't get the IRS to align. Turns out it was caused by some incompatible mods in my community folder. After I deleted them, everything worked. So check that you have no mods that are interfering with the new changes. Try starting the sim up with an empty community folder and go from there. Hope that helps.
I’m having a problem when I turn the battery on everything turns on but the screens below never turn on any advise?
had a few issues, 1 of them was still on the ground and another was in the air..
no.1 the yaw damper warning
and no.2 I selected the plane to climb to 25.000 feet, then when I got to that altitude I wanted to change it to 32.000 feet and it said Invalid entry, basically leaving me on a flight from KJFK to EGLL stuck at 25.000 feet..
Interesting...
Sorry slightly off topic but - I have the deluxe premium but my update only seemed to include the premium and standard and so my 787 is still in the original setting it did not update it. Can any help can I re install update
Not seen this happen myself - might be worth running the XBox app which will show an update if there is one available.
Thanks it did run the update originally but it only ran the deluxe and Standard ones but not the premium deluxe one so it looks like it skipped the 787 update ( I do have the deluxe version btw) so now it think it’s updated but it isn’t.
Curious about something here. Not sure of the relevance but I notice on the PROG section within the FMC, scrolling the pages I see a XTK and VTK error listed. Can this effect the flight plan in a negative way? Everything else appears normal and correct but have been having issues with some flight plans being followed correctly and I see this error a lot, and am trying to determine whether its my error or one of the usual MSFS glitches or a normal message?
XTK is Executive Takeoff - it just means full details of the departure airfield are missing from the FMC
VTK is Vertical Temperature Profile - which means the weather data is missing from the FMC
@@jonbeckett Thank you for the clarification on that Jonathon. You have a great way of explaining and breaking it all down for us amateurs out here. Thanks again.
Which control do i have to use to change the stablizer
Do you mean pitch trim? You can map pitch trim on your controller in the sim settings.
Im not sure if youre going to reply but im having this problem i followed all the steps and then at 13:45 when you press the knob i cant press it i need to right click and when i right click all the screens go off why is that?
No idea!? Sounds like a bug. With the 747 being updated recently, it might be worth making sure you have no other 747 mods in place.
After update, does it make sense to use a modification for 747 from Salty?
I've removed it for the time being.
Hey Johna than, this is a great video. Please send me the start up link. Thanks.
The link is in the notes of the video :)
Finally conquered this bird , now im on my way from china to Russia 😁
For some reason last night when I was clicking on my zfw it would populate the number but then when I click again to put it I'd get an error message over and over again. It worked for the 787 so I was confused why not on the 747. Btw you forgot the beacon lights.
They are on the checklist - I probably didn't follow my own procedures (a common theme lol)
@@jonbeckett it’s all good I tried today after watching this video and everything worked so it’s maybe something I did wrong lol.
Do i have to delete rhe salty mod for this? As the default plane for some reason isn’t showing up under aircraft?
I removed the Salty mod.
for some reason my external power doesn’t want to turn on is this common or?
Hey for some reason my 747 is unable to pitch I disconnected the autopilot when trying to land so it long darts into the ground. Really unfortunate and annoying. Any idea why that could be?
controller configuration issue perhaps ?
@@jonbeckett I figured it out my CG was too far forward.
The main reason I stopped playing 2 years ago is because there were NO widebody full fidelity aircraft. It used to run out of fully-fueled tanks for a 4 hour flight. Tail reserve tank still doesn't drain? Ridiculous
0:49 the plane in the back XD
I tried the new update. The 747 won’t recognize my zfw when i click it. Says “action no yet available”
Hmmm... Have you removed other 747 mods ?
I am not seeing the magenta line on the ND, but it seems to be following the flightplan, in accordance with my Navagraph charts.
i have the same problem, my nd doesn't seem to be working
Do you have any mods installed for the 747? I removed any I had.
@@jonbeckett no mods installed besides liveries
Turn knob for light display maybe ?
Jonathan, do you know why the AP system is architected into two distinct parts, FD and AP ? So you can easily disconnect the two to fly manually? Redundancy?
No idea - it's probably just an enginnering thing - one system thinks - the other system acts.
You can fly manually by following the Flight Director yourself, in IMC for example. If the autopilot and FD were built into one then you wouldn't be able to do that.
@@gabor-toth Yes of course. But I want to understand the underlying architecture of the system and why it was done like that.
There is absolutely no reason to ever turn off the flight director. You can fly an airliner manually on an IFR flight plan, but you need to have your eyes glued to the flight director in order to keep the plane on the flight path. Watch cockpit videos of real airline pilots flying an ILS manually, their eyes are glued to the PFD until the very last minute when they transition to the runway. The flight director is not part of the autopilot system.
As somebody else commented - the most obvious reason is the pilot can follow the flight director's instructions manually instead of having the autopilot do it (for whatever reason - there may be many).
I need help, when i fly and get to the approach my purple line dissapears and it won't follow the approach line which is white
Yes - approach. You need to make sure the NAV radios are tuned to ILS correctly, and switch to approach mode on the master control panel. Or just take over control on approach, and fly it (which most real-world pilots do).
At the B747 only one ILS nav radio is tuned at the nav/rad FMC page. At the B737 both nav radios should be tuned to ILS for an auto approach
I'm only a minute in, but has anyone else noticed that plane in the background lmao
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12:30 yep, acknowledged
Hello all I am new to msfs I am a console SIM Xbox one s via cloud would this video be the same for Xbox ?? Many thanks
Yes.
the small plane spinning in circles at the start bruh but otherwise it was a great video
Who is this "bruh" character you speak of? :)
@@jonbeckett no one just a bit funny I thought
I am trying to do this in an Xbox S series but I just can't. The avionics turn off and when they back again they do not have data. Even worse, sometimes the game just quits... any ideas on what could it be? maybe the xbox can not handle too much Ram or I don't know :S HELP PLEASE!
Is there a TOGA shortcut click spot on this?
On the throttles, on the Boeings usually (I haven't looked)
So problem, the plane just keeps the heading I selected even though I turned on autopilot and LNAV and it just kept going strait
That is strange. Did you have a route programmed in? INS/IRS system on and aligned ? Flight directors on?
@@jonbeckett Pretty sure I did, however the route looked like it was starting from my parking position
@@jonbeckettit also has a warning saying TCAS off
Is it not better realistic to fly the 747 from PMDG?
There is no 747 from PMDG in Microsoft Flight Simulator yet.
Is anyone else having the issue in which the flight plan disappears mid flight or just won’t show up?
Am I the onlz one seeing a spinning plane at 0:50 ?
The brakes are really bad now on 747. I hope they fix it soon
It's apparently much closer to the real thing now.
Good to see it's not me. Thought it might be a bug.
Idk if it is something I am doing wrong but I feel like they ruined this plane. No matter what I do or how I have the plane configured the controls completely stop working at 50 ft at any speed or flaps setting. And it also wont stop. I can even have the plane totally empty and this still happens. BTW I have the PMDG 737 and can fly it all day no problem but not this plane. Full braking with an empty plane and it still does not want to stop or land.
I have none of those issues with it. Strange.
You have to pay for start up procedure? Interesting you left that tid bit out.
You can pay zero.
For some reason LNAV won't turn on, you know why?
LNAV needs a complete flight plan, with all of the data programmed into the FMC
@@jonbeckettI got the key in and pre-loaded flights I planned online beforehand as a solution, thanks for the info!
I cant move the stabilizer trim can someone help?
You probably have assistance switched on.
@@jonbeckett i thought you could click the stabilizer trim to move it but i didnt know you had to keybind it. Its fine now. but i have one throttle quadrant but how do i bind the two throttle sticks to 4 engines?
I did what you did @4:45 and all of my screens went dark
Can anyone help with throttle issue?
Lvr always on and no idle or clb or to-ga available.
Engine power is always on 20%
Tried auto mixture but didn't work
20% power always on all the planes.
But sometimes no idle no climb or to-ga.
Anyone ?
You need to configure your throttle axis and sensitivity curves.
Okay. Will try it.
Thank you 😅
CTRL-E
No 🧐
... crossfed?
In terms of the power? The 747-8 automatically switches power-sources for you.
Thats the truck to bring the food to the plane.
Rofl the other plane at 21:26
My throttle wont go up.
My plane had a its autopilot freak out before stabilizing
I don't have to worry about bus driving, I only fly GA Aircraft, you know those proper airplanes with propellers and manual start up like shouting out the window "Clear Prop." 🤡🤡
Hahaha
Do they have any where you have to manually spin the prop to start them? And if so, how do they model that in the sim?
I mostly fly 🚁 these days, and those start out running if you spawn on a helipad, which I usually do, so I don’t do a lot of engine starts. I find these big plane startup videos fascinating though. Especially the older ones where you have to manually do stuff that is at least semi automated even on a 747. That new french flying boat is amazing, and I may have to pick it up even though I don’t normally fly big planes. I do like seaplanes though-I am lousy at landing anything that doesn’t hover, and it’s nice not to worry about running out of runway because your runway is the ocean 😀
The big combustion engines are pretty straightforward - prime, and fire :) The jets are more involved because you're essentially boot-strapping the combustion sequence while the turbines are spinning. I love the simplicity of the turbo-fan design - that it's essentially a free-spinning windmill, driven by the gas turbine.