New Audi S4 is DIESEL! Has Audi gone MAD?!
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Big thanks to Audi UK for inviting me to the launch of the new A4 and S4 range. As a long term fan of fast Audi estates and someone who understands the benefits of diesel power, I was understandably intrigued by the fact that Audi have decided to switch the S4 from petrol power to diesel. This has been widely seen as a peculiar move from Audi seeing as diesel is being demonised by the press here in the UK and is generally viewed with caution across Europe. However Audi don't do things without careful research and taking the diesel sentiment out of the equation, this car does hold a lot of appeal with 0-60 times as good as identical to the old petrol car (4.8 saloon, 4.9 Avant vs 4.7 & 4.9 for the old S4 respectively), 700 nm of torque for blistering in gear performance (torque peak is the same as C7 RS6!), a realistic 40 mpg + as tested on the new, stricter WLTP cycle which means competitive Co2 emissions and attractively low Benefit In Kind (BIK) tax rates for company car buyers, who let's face it are the biggest purchasers of these kinds of vehicles - the BIK rules continue to favour diesel vehicles.
The other thing to consider is that the previous 3.0T petrol versions of S4 didn't actually sell very well so Audi has nothing to lose.
Find out if it all stacks up in reality by watching this video!
With regards to the exhaust tips, apologies for any ambiguity, the left side are real, the right side are fake like S6, bit disappointing but hey.
Please note this video was filmed under a lot of pressure as there was only one S4 Avant available on the day and it was in huge demand all day long with journalists as well as vloggers who need the car for longer when filming. Hence why the driving footage was filmed in an S4 saloon & misses out loads of details. There was also a camera technical issue which occurred as a result of having no time to perform my usual quality assurance checks. So it's not as thorough as I'd like it to be but hopefully it still provides an entertaining and educating watch.
For the stats missing from this video, please read this review by the experts at evo magazine;
www.evo.co.uk/audi/s4/22896/2...
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I personally detest the tablet plonked in the middle of the dash - why this became fashionable is beyond me.
It's a bit like the dash and the infotainment were designed without speaking to each other. Unusual for Audi but my point is that its location high up like that works well, better than anywhere else and how it works should be more important than how it looks in a car.
@@volkswizard Don't mind it atop the dash, but it could be integrated, as they used to be. Looks too much like a tablet tacked to the front of the dash.
@@johngaffney1671 It's quite a lot higher than any integrated screen I've seen apart from maybe the pop-up in the A3, very small gap between it and mirror for putting camera. Hence the positioning was really nice of this one albeit at the expense of aesthetics. Just watched the Joe Achilles vid on S6 and the same new MMI Touch screen located that bit lower just looks like hard work in comparison.
@@volkswizard the dashboard/touchscreen has a very unintegrated look to me. For how it should be done check out the new Touareg. Works brilliantly for a touchscreen.
Agreed, just wonder if cooling is a factor as saw the back of Merc one also plonked on dash yesterday and there was a lot of venting, just a thought.
700nm of torque and diesel fuel economy of 40 mpg = sold - great move by Audi and great video :)
Thanks Malcolm!
@@volkswizard Holy Wizzards ...... my SQ7 has 900Nm..... are you kidding me that this ones got 700Nm? Oh very impressive. I get great fuel mileage too..... unless I'm showing a new Ford Mustang who's got the better car...... hahahaaahahahaahahahahaha
@@anthonyspanjich2772 It's true! 700nm same as S6 and SQ5 - and in such a small car!
Great move ? It sounds like crap and for car enthusiasts sound is a big thing in a car . We don't buy nice cars because of the fuel economy
@@michaelbarnard4257 Well I can get a 1000cc motorcycle down to about 11 miles per gallon at a track day? Is that enough of a crappy fuel consumption number to be a satisfactory human? I LOVE my SQ7...... suck it up. you love your little toy.......
The exhaust tips are real but they are still fake, they only go back 3 cms then you hit plastic. You need the car wow stick of truth ;-) great video though.
Turns out one side is real, one side fake. Caught me out as I've never seen this before. Chopped the reference off the end of the video to avoid confusion. Rush job as I said :)
‘Car wow stick of truth’ fuck off please
Same as the diesel Octavia RS then. Interesting, I didn't know that
@Ovidius his upbringing
Electric cars cannot deliver the all round figures like a high performance diesel.
or the range
They cant only deliver range and breaking performance because electric cars are heavy(shitty breaking) and batteries only allow for 300-400km max driving range. However electric cars can easily push 500 horsepower which a diesel cannot do without a big heavy v8 with tons of tune causing unreliability.
@Farina Marcini Sounds like you've got a lot to get off your chest, mate.
But that's nice of my businesses. 🐸☕
@@volkswizard especially range. just done 3x over 1000 km per tank (about 45l) trip to greece in my fully loaded tdi golf variant. tanked in macedonia for about 1€ per liter.
Who buys a s audi for range and mpg? I would take an electric that 0 to 60 in 3.5 secs and has a range of 200 miles than some crap I mean crap diesel car.
Comon, people who pay 65k for a car like this don’t think about gas milage or fuel prices. I would choose the old petrol version any day.
Not true
As Baraa already said; not true.
Also...
People who buy an S4 want a highway rocket. They don’t do track days, so the driving characteristics of a diesel makes a lot more sense than a petrol for this type of car.
For a start nobody pays £65k, they lease or PCP them so there is a monthly cost. On top of that here in the UK the efficiency of the car affects the amount of tax the owner pays if it's a company car so that effectively is another monthly cost which is lower with diesel. Typical mileage of a car like this will be quite high so fuel costs will be significant and being diesel I'd estimate a 30-40% reduction in the real world again making the car more affordable to more people. Another factor is that with a high mileage covered, a diesel car should retain value better on used the market than a similar mileage petrol performance car. I for one will be looking to pick one of these up after 3 years with a load of mileage on it as it will be a bargain and have lots of life left.
S4 already available from £40k new anyway if you're happy to use a broker.
@@Mikkel111 Wrong. I bought my S4 because I wanted something that was fun to drive, but still fairly sensible. My mate bought one at exactly the same time for the same reasons. Most people I speak with on the forums bought them for the same reasons.
People do not buy an S4 to drive on motorways. They don't buy one for track-days either. It's not motorways or track days - there is an in-between these two types of driving, you know? If you just drive motorways all day, you're still not going to buy a 340+HP car, regardless of if it's a diesel. You'll buy either the 2.0TDi or, if you want more power, the 3.0TDi which, incidentally, is £10k cheaper than this pointless car, nearly as quick, AND produces far superior MPG.
This is a pointless car. Thoroughly pointless.
Yo so annoyingly albeit painfully adding maybe an extra 12/15 minutes to my commute I've started driving 20 miles down the M1 and parking my car North London and taking the Northern line into Central London for work, saving approx 250 quid a month this will go up to maybe saving 330 a month if I get to WFH 2x a week, rather than buying a monthly ticket from my home town into Central London!
Anyway I've had my A3 2 door since 2014 it's been fine and I really like driving it, I just drove it home from my G/F's house and damn it can still move fast and it's only 139 hp but the god damn this is such a nice car to drive, the manual stick the steering wheel the bose sound system , the mpg is decent I usually get 60mph each way when commuting to work, insurance and diesel costs are good too.
Anyway as it's been so long I was like somewhat jealous of S3 and S4 drivers , no way I would ever get a RS4 or above probably too powerful for me and I'm not a hardcore driver and the more I think about it the roads and traffice these days puts me off, however I am still in limbo on what car to get next, I have some savings and my next contract is okay, I don't mind spending 15 to 18k on a used car or go the pcp/lease route? what do you think. I probably will stick with Audi as I know a great mechanic who can stamp my services and never rips anyone off! so thats a good reason to stay with Audi.
Any recommendations I've youtube'd the cost of running an S4/S5 or RS and tbh the more I think about it I don't see that many RS's or Porche's or any stuper fast motors bombing it down the motorway on a daily commute.
Nonetheless I have 4 weeks to upgrade before the ULEZ expansion beings, whats a good uprade I'm not poor and I'm not rich but I think to myself life is short should I aim for a S3/S4 or any recommendations please?
I have to say my car has been amazing my brother had an A5 before the chains broke as he never did the change at 75k but that was ages ago, what do you guys recommend I probably will be sticking to the commute to save on train fare's I like listening to podcasts on the way in to work.
I have to admit if i got a fast car and the mpg was down to 22 to 25mpg each way that would hurt , I'm not tight but I don't like the idea of burning money but then again I'm saving 250 to 330 a month potentially on a monthly train ticket, so I could put that towards the cost of running the car?
Beautiful car, but it imo it sounds nothing like the v8 audi's
I ran a B7 for over a year and it at slower speeds it had a V8 woofle/rumble that I always tried to invoke with a higher gear, low revs, wide open throttle which is what I feel the S4 sounds like. The RS4 didn't make much other noise until you got past 5000 rpm after which it sounded like a motorbike - sadly the S4 won't rev past that point
Another good video Andrew. Is the diesel sound at the front noticeable ( if you walked by it at the front running would you notice its a diesel)?, i know its 3.0 V6 so would not sound the same as a 2.0 TDI. Does it drive like a diesel to ? as in all of a sudden this gush of thrust & then nothing after 4k in the revs
Thanks again Graham. No it's very quiet, even the 2.0 TDI 190 PS A4 (40 TDI) at idle inside you cannot tell it's a diesel - I sat in one to start the day, engine on and had to check the spec sheet to be sure. As for revs, just watched the footage back and in manual mode it will rev to 5000 rpm red line before changing up, fully auto mode (drive) it's around 4200rpm and still pulling hard at that point. The traditional lack of top end puff in a TDI is a moot point as the box just gives you one long surge of propulsion all the way to the 155 mph limiter.
Nothing wrong with modern diesels
The economy is always there with diesel. Yet to be persuaded that diesel can perform anything like petrol, in my experience.
Easy answer - Drive an SQ7..... I have one. 435Hp.... but an astonishing 900Nm torque - available at just ................1000RPM. No $hit. its a twin turbo, but has a 48Volt electric supercharger that rams air down there till the turbo's get working.... end result..... virtually no turbo lag.... Watch this.....
czcams.com/video/QnDdmUqQ7m8/video.html
Unintended Consequences
That’s a 24 hour endurance race.
You won’t be seeing any Formula 1 diesel - I can tell you that.
Anthony Spanjich
Yes it is a very impressive car. In fact I would like one. I currently have a new version RS4 which I am very happy with. SQ7 actually has three turbos.
But the SQ7 has nothing on a petrol engine. It will do 0 to 60 in just under five seconds.
Lambo Urus is under 3.
@@pippipster6767 Point Taken....... My mates S7 has been completely tricked up and eats mine for breakfast. RS4...... Oh beautiful - good choice...... my next Audi will be RS6 (yes - petrol V8)...... However.... when I want to be completely silly, I just wheel out my Honda Vfr1200f (heavily modded). OMG! I'm fighting wheelspin and / or wheelstand to 160k's and its simply brutal. If a thief stole it and thinks he can give it berries..... I'd give him 5 minutes max before it goes pear shaped. If I get it right.... its around 2.7s..... but it pisses me off because it can go quicker but the laws of gravity / traction say..... enough or I'll spit it into the roadside scenery. hahahaha.... enjoy your RS4
Anthony Spanjich
Funny you should say that.
The new RS6 - OMFG!
Next car - either that or SQ7.
Don’t want to turn this into a comparathon - but I have a KTM 1290 Super Adventure R. 160bhp. Sit up and beg. But goes like fk. Thankfully electronics keep it planted.
However, since my RS4, not using bike. Getting all my kicks there. Performance feels not far off bike.
I’ve got the Audi SQ5 at first I wasn’t convinced the Diesel engine was worthy of the S badge but believe me that 3.0 biTdi engine is superb!
Alps yea VW did a good job wit that engine
Might be a good engine but it's more worthy of a BiTdi badge than a S badge
mikeyBIA in the real world with the constant speed crack down from the government and emissions restrictions etc I think the Bitdi works very well as an all rounder with a sporty edge, the 3.0 BiTdi is by no means slow and the RS models more tailored for the extreme sports enthusiasts works very well in my opinion. I had the 4.2 v8 S5 and although it was nice it kept me wanting more were the SQ5 feels perfect.
I've got the SQ7...... Ohhhhh Mate.. I actually LOVED the SQ5 first and nearly, nearly bought one. But I got a ridiculous deal on an SQ7 ($70k cheaper - old businessman - 11,700k's..... didn't even know it had launch control?). Be happy with your SQ5...... I actually really liked it.
Your ending covered my question Andrew, I was going to ask if the exhaust tips are the same as on the S6 avant, horrible fake plastic trim which are blocked off, hiding the down-turned exhaust out of sight behind the bumper. That is madness for the premium of the S6 and is the reason I'd not buy one - even if I had the cash to do so. Good to see common sense applied on the S4 avant. Nice looking car, great to see Audi rightly have you on their books for press launch testing. Hope you closed the boot on the A2 prior to going on the test drive mind... ;)
Hi Darren, 've edited the video as that ending was a bit misleading - the left hand tips are real, the right had ones are fake like S6. There isn't a downturned exhaust behind the blanked off side, not sure if that's better or worse! Due to the tight time schedule it was all filmed in the wrong order so the intro was 0945, driving was 1440-1520 and walkaround was 1530-1550 so the A2 boot soon got shut not long after it was in shot and just before I left for home at 1620! Yes it's good to get an invite from Audi UK even though my numbers aren't all that amazing but I am sure dedicated brand viewers/commenters like you make all the difference as 10k views from people in the market to buy are better than 100k from schoolkids 😉
Ah, thanks for the clarification Andrew. I'm not a fan of the fake outlets as you can tell - shape of things to come though sadly and no doubt they'll not even be a design feature ultimately. Whilst we still have the combustion engine, I'd prefer manufacturers retained reality in design, even if it meant having one twin pipe vice two. The S6 avant approach is cheap and tacky, which is not a statement that should be said given the quality of the rest of the package on offer. Thanks for the kind comments, your following know you richly deserve more acknowledgement from the brands, and to be hoped the like of VW take note of their siblings faith in you. All the best as always.
The irony is..I've been looking at beefy TDI's in the Grey colour range i.e. Steel Grey/Metallic Grey..really nice colour and really popular lately....Diesel's are the way..especially when you can get them these days sounding like a petrol..(like with the CR engines as oppose to the stronger but taxi-sounding PD engines) but with better mpg and plenty of power and torque....
..agreed although current Golf GTD does sound a bit rough at idle still.
Awesome. Diesels are the way to go. All that torque. I have a 3ltr A6 avant chipped to 285bhp. And 600 nm torque being quattro it's sure footed. Puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it. In my opinion very close to the grin I had in my 16v integrale
Looks good, not sure i would want a diesel though?
I wondered why my RS had those little black arch extensions on the rear, i believe they are only added factory to keep the entire tyre within the arch limit, keeping it within the legal spec, quite a crafty move as it’s “factory” it serves its purpose
There are loads of benefits to diesel. Basically cars are marketed on emotion - racetracks, high revving engines etc but the reality is somewhat different and cars like these tap into the basics of automotive mobility such as low cost per mile, good range, environmental friendliness, refinement and top it off with huge real world performance rather than putting profligate petrol based performance the average owner would never exploit, before and at the expense of all else.
volkswizard don’t get me wrong, i wouldn’t shun a powerful nice spec diesel car, i just think it’s a bit of an odd thing to do by Audi, i can see what they are marketing as, with S and RS models always being petrol just seems an unusual time to change it, although they probably do have a LOT of unsold Diesel engines after the emissions “error” 👍🏻😂
I still feel the s5 will be the biggest sufferer with this new engine. I'm sure it'll sell better than the pre facelift, but I can't get fitting a diesel to a relatively inconspicuous coupe. Whatever problems the v6 turbo petrol had, it seemed audi was doing good things with it, like dual injection - somebody was listening about carbon buildup issues me thinks
I am also a huge fan of the Audi Avant performance cars. Love the colour too!!! I am big fan of diesel performance cars but this one even more. Fair play to Audi to bring something different to the game now. Cheers Andrew for the video. 👍
You are welcome Manj. Glad the car appeals to you, I am sure you won''t be the only one 👍
Agree with you manj
Sounds like a misfiring petrol in dynamic. I will never have the cash to buy a car as expensive as this, but if I was why would I choose to buy a diesel? If I had the money in the first place I wouldn’t care about fuel economy.
The other thing is this, Audi sales of their RS4 & RS6 have plummeted because they have become too neutered. The BMW “M” cars have had their leashes cut and they are now the cars rich folk seem to be buying, I see more new M3, M4 and M5’s then I do new RS Audi’s with exception to the RS3.
And also when you watch car wow drag racing the RS models against each other there really isn’t much difference in terms of performance gains between them.
I predict this is finally the end of Audi’s rule at the top of the hot rod family car tree and this diesel S4 model is the bastard child of that demise.
Thanks Audi for producing the best Petrol RS and S model cars.
Future is Etron, and the dubber Rtron performance electric cars.
You're just being ignorant. Audi is carving out their nitch. You are right about a lot of what you say, but for the wrong reasons and points of view. I'm not super excited about it either, but they are still doing amazing things, and until you sit and drive something like the new S7 or S8 one could never actually appreciate it. Diesel is the future for Audi for a lot of reasons, but I don't think they care to assert themselves in the powerhouse(hotrod) realm over the other german cars anymore. They Still have VW, Porsche, Buggati ect.... These wild diesels with electronic assists are quite the concept really, the torque is crazy. This is really just the beginning too.
Torque is the key to making rapid progress on uk roads. In fact anywhere. That's the beauty of a big turbo diesel. Look for the opportunity, hit the pedal whatever gear you're in, and ride the wave of torque. Instant overtaking, rapid corner exit, minimal gear changing.
Look at old BMW 335d's, not much bhp by today's standards 280ish, but 412lbs of torque from low revs. Mad.
Porsche drop diesel and audi stick one into likely their worst seller, sounds like audi needed to use up some old porsche diesels.
I've always liked the idea of the s4 and would have thought a hybrid power train would suit it perfectly.
Have to say the designer has made a brilliant job of the looks.
It's a mild hybrid - another omission my video (sorry), doesn't help performance or allow electric propulsion but does reduce Co2 by allowing engine off coasting from 99.4 mph downwards for a period
Great review. Are the exhaust tips real or like the new S6, only go back a couple of inches and the real pipes are underneath? It does sound good though 👍🏻 Noticed Sidways Sid in the background on the exhaust sound clip 😁
Tips are real on left side, they are open at the back and don't connect to the system directly but they they fit within each other just like R8, TTRS and many others. Right are fake like S6 (oh dear). Well spotted (there are other faces in there too I think) Sid had the car before me and was the reason why my time with the car was limited but that's filming, sh*t happens. He left me some tyres though so no hard feelings 🐱🏍
@@volkswizard lol, thanks for the reply 👍🏻
No problem, thanks for commenting - PS have amended my reply regarding the tips to avoid ambiguity
B8.5 rs4 has fake tips too!
Some people say it’s mad but I think it’s a great move as now the s cars like s4,s6,s7 are diesel and are a great long distance cruiser which completely separates them from the RS models
A very good move by Audi - differentiates the S4 for all others including the RS4. Their 3 litre diesels are amazing - I have a biturbo A6 Avant which is now a little too big so looking forward to the S4 avant.
What MPG will I get out of the 3 litre diesel?
Audi was the first manufacturer to win LeMans with a diesel, and seen many more wins after. Great to see their knowledge of having a balance between performance and fuel efficiency trickle down to their consumer cars, all promoted and proven by racing success, just like Quattro from group B.
I love the torque and economy of a diesel...but I bought a Macan S diesel and had loads of dpf issues (which I never had in my Octavia VRS diesel in 7 years despite identical driving). I think big engined diesels mated to auto boxes just clog the dpf in typical UK A/B road conditions. This would be a major thing that would put me off the new S4 which is a shame...because I think it looks and sounds great.
Douglas B. £300 DPF delete still passes MOT as it’s only gutted and the welds aren’t visible + Quicker turbo spool better acceleration & MPGS win win
Drive it properly and you will not get DPF clogging. Ie warm it up and clog it from time to time, if you do many cold starts, short journies, and part throttle low rev driving. Tis the heat from revs that cleans dpf.
@@gaycha6589 well yes, but you shouldn't have to drive it hard to make it work. This is more of a problem on the larger diesels as they are obviously working easier.
@@Mr330dBut the plumes of black smoke each time you boot it are a bit of a giveaway. Big drama if Plod clocks it...
@@Stevie-74 What smoke is that sorry? no “big plumes of black smoke” from my exhaust
Hello Andrew. Great review as usual. I saw a S7 TDi in my local dealership. Four exhausts at the back - all fake. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!! It would be interesting to see how much black smoke, if any, these cars emit when under heavy acceleration. Did you see any? Perhaps that is why the external tips are fake.... Wonder if the next S3 will be diesel too. All the best, Andrew 👍🏼
Hello Ian! Since DPFs no diesels emit any smoke unless they are doing a regeneration and then the car is moving so fast I doubt you'd see it. Only reason for fake tips is to reduce drag in an attempt to reduce Co2 consumption. S4 tips are fake on one side and not the other - missed that on the day as such a rush job.
Andrew, you might be interested in Joe Achilles review of the S6 Avant that he has just put up!!
@@iantaf5559 Thanks for the heads up, just watching it now 👍
They did use the engine of the R5 TDI 2015 concept.
I love it, except of the missing MMI knob.
Exhaust have to get custom in 2019 thats how stock cars sound in europe:(
Audi is just ruining their once legendary S4. First phasing out the manual gearbox, and now a rattly diesel engine, with fake quad exhaust tips, on an S4... WTF. I think I'd now go for an M3 instead
sold. for perfection it only need some air lift suspension (as in a6 range, for example) for some back-roads, and than you really have it all in one car. and it is kind of _uck you sign to all that anti vag diesel bs.
I've had this car for 6 weeks now and I can say. What a car. Its super fun. I did a run to Liverpool from Leeds and was getting average 48mpg and was at around 80mph on the m62....
guess they want to make something agains bmw 335d because audi a4 b9 coudnt go agains bmw 335d with 313hp and i guess new bmw g20 335d would have around 340hp plus mercedes in 2014 give up from puting 6 cyliinder diesel engine im c class
Plus its easy to sell second hand diesel s4 then petrol, i have old a4 b7 3.0 tdi 233 hp and its my daily driving car, so sometimes i want to take out all power but because its my daily driving car to job and other things i didnt want to but a4 with 3.2l v6 256hp petrol engine that eat 50% more fuel because its big different when you count that you save about 3-4k euro on year and in my contury averege paymant is about 450€ a month
Interesting. I very recently bought an A6 Allroad with the 3.0 BiTdi, 313bhp I think it is. Have a genuine Subaru Forester STI and a CLK55 AMG both going (CLK sold) to make way for a diesel! BYE turbo nutter 6 speed, bye 5.4 n/a V8.
The torque and quiet massive mid range of these Audi diesels is fabulous fun.
Soon a trip to Bobby Singh will release near or a tad more than 400bhp and a mountain of torque. Done with petrol for now.
Mazda doesnt move away from the diesel. The 2.2 bi turbo diesel Skyactiv engine is brilliant. And they did an AWD version of the Mazda 6 estate with this engine but not in the UK. It is available in Europe and you can take it to 210 bhp easily with 410 Nm :D And it costs peanuts and its beautiful as an estate and has no fake sounds:D
It's not brilliant, the Mazda 2.2 diesel is actually very poor reliability wise and should be avoided.
I simply don't get it why they placed the big screen like that after for example the new Golf 8, or even the golf 7. It even looks like it is partially blocking the view.
Good quick review that pretty much sums up what S4 drivers go for. I always think the S4 is the best car Audi make as its understated but purposeful , good identity , fast but comfy when you want it to be. I’m sure the performance is similar to the last S4 so I can’t see that much of a big deal being diesel.
I’m not sure why Audi are still sticking tablets to the dash though....even VW , Skoda etc integrate theirs in to the dash.
Why the need for the sound generator... This engine makes amazing V6 noises in the previous models... Other than that this car is everything I expected it to be.
Such a beautiful car. Shame that north America will never see this diesel
i say: in your face, murica!
love diesel love wagons audi rules
Interesting vid, no one ever says about the massage function on the seat which is standard - would like to know what it’s like, as this car is in contention for my next car
The vast majority of people really dislike the touch-screen, yet you love it.
The vast majority of people really dislike the diesel engine, especially criticising it for it's poor noise - yet you say that it "sounds like a V8" and "you couldn't ask for a better soundtrack in a car like this"! This is an utterly ridiculous statement. It sounds nothing like a V8 and the old car provides a better soundtrack.
You say that "torque is what you want in the real world", yet it really, really isn't. If it was, all super cars would have diesel engines in them - why don't they? Hell, even the RS4 sticks with petrol.
Nobody gets 40MPG out of that car.
The more you think about it, the more utterly pointless it is.
Why would anyone buy the S4 diesel over the standard 3.0TDi? It costs £10k more as a base price, is barely any quicker, has worse fuel economy and all you get is the, admittedly excellent, sport seats. For £10k!
No, the more I think about it the more upset I am at Audi for ruining the S* sector of cars to chase extra money. The whole point of this was to try and lure 3.0TDi drivers away to spend another £10k and lure traditional S4 drivers, such as myself, into an RS4.
It's bonkers and I really, really, hope this car fails.
The only good thing about this, for me at least, is that it has made my 2018 S5 sportback more desirable in the 2nd hand market 👍🏻.
Great video otherwise 😀
Idk about that lol
Good video but I was expecting the 0 to 60 figure of this new s4 compared to the old one
Good point - as I mentioned in the description this video wasn't my finest hour. According to evo magazine the old S4 saloon did 0-60 in 4.7 secs the new one is 4.8, the old and new Avant are both 4.9 secs.
volkswizard thank you and quite surprising about the 0 to 60 being equivalent near enough to the old petrol one
I was so surprised I forgot to mention it 😁
volkswizard 😂
Fantastic idea, s products for those that want performance and some economy and then petrol performance saved for RS products
It's really obvious when you think about it isn't it?👍
Hey Volkswizard, enjoyed this video - appreciate many other CZcamsrs are invited to these events, however your opinion has more weight, given your knowledge on all things VAG!
Im an Audi faz and S4 owner! But its no go for me! A and RS must be petrol!
Cost me £55 for the same but more suitably located android computer in my car. Carbon fibre trim came with the car. And other than snow performance and snobbery this would cost me £38,000 more than my vxr astra.....
Commentator @0:38 “diesel?”
Audi: muwahaha 👹😈
Great review of a fantastic car you’ve sold it to me tbh! Top class⭐️
So does it handle and does the engine rev?
I couldn't really go into detail on chassis as both S4s I drove had Dynamic Steering which was horrid but thankfully not available in UK. As for revs, well again tricky as changes up even in manual mode before it starts to run out of puff but it runs around the rev counter extremely easily.
Just checked pov footage and it revs to the 5000 rpm red line in manual mode (changes up automatically then), gets to approx 4200 in auto mode before doing so. Footage shows revs rising very quickly and due to auto, lack of a zesty petrol top end is a little academic as it's effectively a massive surge to the 155 mph limiter.
Forbidden fruit. Wish they had these here in the State! Love the vid, thank you!
Perfect family car and economy to persuade the the wife into getting one for the school run! Mine at the weekend! Hands off! 😎👊🏻
I knew Audi had a plan, that’s it!👍
Absolutely nice video and even it is not a petrol the sound you have recorded in the video is kind of nice. I can't wait till I will pick up mine in 2 weeks - SO excited !
So they've gone to a 6 cylinder diesel like bmw have been doing for years. And they are making it sound like a v8. Just fit a v8. Ridiculous yet again Audi.
It’s the same story with BMW. F10 M5 was made to sound like the E60 V10 and M4 to sound like the E9X M3 V8.
@@jgripen969 fact
Love your videos . Love the car perfect all rounder and affordable
Thanks Jimmy, your kind words are much appreciated 🙌 Glad you like the car too😎
Wonder if Audi are starting to learn from the mistakes they made with the second generation SQ5 just saying😆😆😆😆
I always wondered what would give first, as a world full of petrol powered inefficient SUVs will be one where global warming will seriously take hold & electric vehicles just aren't a real alternative at the moment so this and SQ5 etc make perfect sense
What are the problems with the Sq5 gen 2?
2nd generation problems:- lack of exhausts on a car of that pedigree it just doesn’t look right with FAKE plastic covers ( not sporty at all ), the crazy idea of a fixed tablet instead of retractable on the dash and it’s a petrol even though I do understand that Audi are bowing down to pressure and bringing out a diesel version
Is it worth buying an rs4 over an s4 diesel (2019 reg). Just prefer the looks of the rs.
What about the old SQ5 also diesel and nobody talked about that sooo...
1st generation SQ5 every day for me compared to the new one, 2nd gen is too generic and those plastic exhaust covers are just pants
Normal looking A4 with monster torque and amazing range. Modern diesel rules!
Just skip to 10min50sec for the noise
Audi know what there doing its just the warranty they take the piss out of us in the uk..
50k is well cheap. The base S4 is around 15k more expensive than in the UK.
If it sounds anything like previous gen SQ5 then I’m in
As long as it’s not like the 2nd generation SQ5
Flat steering wheel for race cars
What is he talking about in terms of design?? Every panel has been redesigned ?? It’s like Porsche , less is more . On that basis I’m going to apply this to my work too :)
Usually a facelift is just bumpers and lights (see Golf 7), the point is this is more extensive than that. Changing the design of panels on a car mid-term is a very expensive thing to do however subtle the changes are.
Andrew, good to see that you rocked up in your A2 TDI
I wonder how Petrol Ped will react to the Diesel after buying the replaced S4 6 MONTHS ago.
Very nice motor.
Well spotted Keith, I was there to work and A2 is my workhorse plus I'd checked the car parking space in advance and it looked tight so best to just take the easier route but it attracted a lot of positive comments. It will be interesting to see Ped's reaction, maybe he was there the day before as I am sure he'd have had an invite? Diesel Ped didn't come either :)
I’m liking that a lot. Right up my street. Awesome looking car, practical, performance and good fuel returns. I don’t think it’s a bad move going diesel at all. Good video again Andrew
Thanks Dave, maybe this one we will eventually be able to afford, I am pretty sure 3 year residual is same as the rivals, 35% of RRP after 3 years/60k so £17k ish? Surely not, we shall see...
Just got mine! Chipped to 425bhp and 800nm 🥵 it shoves!
Always thought their a4 3.0 diesel was a ridiculous car, nice to see them getting into performance diesels
Try an SQ7...... Yep - that there is one performance diesel......
Haha I’m more of a big punch in a little package kind of guy myself but I have dreams of driving a SQ7
I do have 700 nm in my 2006 a4 3.0 tdi such a nice car
I guess they will upgrade the interior is in the next version of the A4
Delivery charge....... £660 😱 I come collect it thanks!! 🤣
How the hell do you like that sound? It’s all fake!
Good move? I for one wouldn’t even consider this against the C43 and M340i. Fun at the wheel is just bigger when it’s petrol.
C43 and M340i sound better and are more fun I am sure but people actually buy cars based on more pragmatic reasoning like tax rates and mpg. The fact this car can match the performance of those and cost a lot less to run will see it sell in far greater numbers. The fake sound isn't ideal but it's a minor compromise considering what else that crazy stump pulling 3.0 V6 TDI can offer. If you spend a lot of time on motorways as most buyers will do, the differences between the S4's "more fun" petrol rivals are inconsequential yet the mpg gulf remains hugely in favour of S4.
@@volkswizard who is really going spend extra £,sss on this when they could just go and buy the 3.0tdi for far less?
Will there be an A6 version?! Wow what a car!!
Yes indeed! There is an S6 with the same engine, 0-60 5.1 secs and 700nm torque. Check out @joeachilles channel as he's reviewed it and all being well I am driving the same car to Germany in September so check back here for my review👍
@@volkswizard omg! The ultimate car! I love my A6
Wooffel noise yee gods where is my cheque book sold , i love diesel power torque every time
True petrolheads like induction noise not fake engineered exhaust noise.
Too much gimmicky LCD screens crapola. Way too much stuff to stop working with a small fortune to repair. I’ll stick to my good old 02 A4, 3.0 Quattro that’s simple and fast.
Great Video Review and a great location as well
Thanks very much Jamie👍👍
HAS IT GOT REAL EXHAUSTS OR FAKE PLASTIC CUPS ATTACHED LIKE THE NEW S6??
1 pair real, one fake
@@volkswizard Thanks for clearing that up. At least both aren't fake, but even then, it's massively off putting. I was very close to buying a new S6 but the fake exhaust fiasco has put me off completely!! I don't even care that it's diesel! I like fast diesels!
@@FOXHOUND4143 that's really unfortunate something as minor as the tips is influencing buying decisions in a negative way but I totally understand. I'm not sure if S6 has two back boxes with hidden outlets or just one like S4 but if 2 I think it's not impossible to make look good using the S4 pair of real tips but should you have to, probably not. I need to know why they did this, can only be aerodynamics or they didn't want to use a specific back box to save money but £80k with options it needs to be right.
The S4 being diesel is the VW group just filling a niche in the market. I pity the bloke who has to juggle the VW groups vast product range. Making sure models do not overlap. Well I don't pity him because he is probably paid 200k euros pa but you know what I mean. Porsche has recently announced no more diesels. All part of the same plan.
Bmw did this with the 335d and 535d years ago
How to get the new 2020 Audi s4 sedan and station wagon in United States of America?
Diesel in USA? Very unlikely! They only make sense in Europe because of their low Co2 emissions which aren't taken into consideration much over your side of the pond are they?
Why?
But how come the Audi a4 and s4's European diesel engine that doesn't count about the US decision. And unfortunately, the audi a4 and s4's avant's exhaust is still fake, right?
Diesel is a weird choice. Here in North America diesel cars are not cool at all and hardly anyone drives them although they are slowly getting more popular. Gunna be a hard sell here.
"well don't worry sir, we have the new RS6 coming stateside so why would you want diesel anyway" - can't be a coincidence especially as S6 is diesel too now. Maybe that means you will get RS 4 too?
S4 for US is going to be gas
Have you ever done a video of the B8.5 Audi S4? And if not, could you please 🙂
Analog Cockpit looks much better than the virtual cockpit.😂
Yeah they have gone mad with a stupid over complex engine seen these tuned up and there hitting the limits straight away with exhausts temps and that that supercharger is just pointless
A diesel... And it sounds like a V8? Wash your mouth out sir. With diesel! Still enjoyed the video though. Thanks. :)
I speak as I find - I probably also put petrol in the tank by mistake! Maybe it should have a fake diesel clatter soundtrack when the fuel light comes on to avoid confusion at the pumps?
i think this guy mentioned he owns R8..
Sounds like a v8? This is nothing compared to a v8 what it sounds like it's crap
@@michaelbarnard4257 All V8s sound different, this one sounds like V8s I've experienced (I do own one - see my R8 videos). Maybe it doesn't sound like the ones you've driven?
@@michaelbarnard4257 I had to LOL. Kwality retort.
I thought I was listening to Chris Eubank!
Another great review Andrew.
Thanks dude, very much appreciated one again sir👍👍👍
volkswizard
You’re welcome Andrew.
I always look forward to your videos.
I’m a big fan of Audi’s RS models, but wary of buying one. Everybody I know who’s owned an Audi has had problems with it.
Out of all the mainstream VAG brands, Audi seem to have the worst reliability record.
Any thoughts?
fakes exhaust pipes ruins all, period!!!
60k for that really
First timer! What an informative vid gonna subscribe to this!
Thanks Paul 👍
I like your Oris,what model is that?
Good spot David, I think it's a BC3, bought it brand new in around 2002
On a long run I can get 52mpg no problem in my s4 TDI
Audi lost me when they started to have s vehicles with automatics. I get it that they shift fast as fuck bla bla bla thats not why i buy an s car. And now diesel? I get the torque numbers but diesel what the hell.
Nice, but where are all your skoda videos!? 😉
Not sure they would get that many views unless VRS related. I don’t get press cars from Skoda so I’m at the mercy of what I buy and sell and not had anything suitable for ages apart from a high mileage Octi VRS which sold too quickly to film.
@@volkswizard ah, you see, they are too popular for you! Actually it must've been priced well as VRs's are quite common and my local dealer seems to have tons in at the moment. That made me sound like a druggie! 😅
Hard to take seriously someone who even talks about selling an R8 to buy a diesel estate.
Did you forget to mention the right hand exhaust pipes are fake?
Why not just buy a diesel A4? Other than a badge, what does this have that the top of the range Diesel A4 doesn’t? A bit more power? It’s a diesel so who cares, surely you buy an S4 because you want performance as well as practicality, putting a low revving diesel in it removes that performance.
Where was this filmed?
Why would Audi do this??? People keep telling us that diesel is bad. Then there's the whole VAG emission scandals etc. A cracking engine, showed up I'd A5 and Q5 with good performance.........perhaps more for a business lease rather than a serial PCP punter??? Cannot see residual value being good???
People do keep telling us diesel is bad but those people are stupid, not long ago people were telling us diesel was good. Ironically back then, diesels were very dirty and not good for urban air quality but modern diesels are super clean so it's not an issue and Audi sensibly are catering for buyers where the hard financial facts (not media BS) still favour diesel. Residuals are predicted to be 1-2% within the key rivals, it's not the best sector for depreciation whatever fuel.
That’s what I thought and the diesel possibly being band from areas in the uk.
Is there an place in the UK where all diesels are banned? In Birmingham you can come into the city in anything but £10 fee if an old petrol or diesel. EU6 emissions standard complying diesels (2015>) are exempt but again the media gloss over this key fact
volkswizard all I heard is it’s a possibility, might be pub talk but wouldn’t surprise me.