THE DOOM OF RYNN'S WORLD! A GREATER VICTORY THAN FIRST BELIEVED?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the Doom of Rynn's World, with the fall of the Arx Tyrannus! Are the Crimson Fists actually luckier than we first believed to have won at all?
Spoiler Warning to begin as the events we're discussing today are from the Warhammer 40,000 novels "Rynn's World" by Steve Parker and "Legacy of Dorn" by Mike Lee. As always I really recommend you read the stories for yourself first, without spoilers! As that's the best way to enjoy the lore for yourself!
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Cleaning up my room while listening to my Chapter's demise.
Definitely unacceptable the planet wasnt ready
Imagine if some curious Iron Warriors came across such a loosely defended son's of Dorn fortress world instead of Orks, there would have been no Imperial survivors lol
It wasn't loosely defended, it had a weapons malfunction
@@TheDeadPoolfan This is the inquisitorial feud level of bad luck
@@TheDeadPoolfan I would contest that if a Guard Colonel was bemoaning the unfinished walls and uncalibrated defense batteries, as well as the Monastery being virtually the sole hardpoint on the world barring the Rynn City civilian population center that it is loosely defended by IW standards
I've been playing since Rogue Trader days and I seem to remember that in the background for the Battle at the Farm scenario in that book Pedro Cantor was said to believe that the Orks would not attack Rynn's World because they "Wouldn't mess with the Crimson Fists".
that was one of the beliefs in Rynns world as well
Very difficult to envisage a thousand years but yeah, they should have kept up with the maintenance.
Always love the Crimson Fists. They are my next space marine army - all primaris, with a few "first born advisors", collected ready to start assembly.
Early morning wolf lord?! Yes please! The crimson fists are one of my faves chapters next to the black Templar
Sir its 7pm
Hehe yea it is 18:20 here 😂 where you at?
@@ivarisalie8759 it was like 8-9 am for me, I’m in Canada
@@endoftheroad6513 t’was like 9 am in Canada where I’m from lol
if a single missile can do so much damage then it would make sense that the gods of chaos poured all of their strength in diverting just a single missile here and there, obliterating entire chapters
It detonated in their fortress monastery next to their ammo dumps.
As soon as I read how it hit right in the stockpile, I had to take a moment to make sure I wasn't reading about the Lamenters because that had to be the crappiest luck of all time.
A few editions back, they were dropping hints that a faction of the Inquisition was targeting Space Marine chapters. It was hinted at that a Callidus Assassin had reprogrammed the missile to hit the ammo depot.
@@robertjarvis3428 If that was true you gotta wonder what's with the inquisition and their personal hatred towards Dorns gene line.
It's also easily explained by Ork magik
Amazing chapter. But they had it coming with neglecting the defenses. Time without war should never be a matter for any son of Dorn
The incident wasn't a result of neglecting defence though?
I think it’s more of the planetary govenor and their government’s fault in combination of any of the Crimson Fist chapter masters
@@jo_ken how is an accidental (or rumoured to be result of Ork luck/magik) failed missile launch the governors or Chapter Masters fault? Have you read the book?
@@Wigalot I’m talking about the other planetary defenses the video talks about not being up to snuff after 1,000 years of the planet not being attacked.
The missile I fully believe was an Assassinorum / inquisition job
@@Wigalot i also talk about the planetary defences or lack of them working
Honestly one thing this says that in times of peace in the 40k universe that doesn’t mean you let up on your defense budget and upkeep.
This is sound advice in real life as well.
I be but a humble guardsman yet I am flabbergasted by Lord Cantor's lack of preparation.
I strip my lasgun, I dig trenches, I grease treads, I brush my teeth, I tune the vox, I wax my boots. I encourage the rest of the regiment to do the same.
Sons of Dorn!? Rogal Dorn, the Praetor of Holy Terra, is your father?........ uhhhhhh what?
Friggin Commissar would have my ass if I couldn't get my squad battle ready in 15 mikes. Priest would probably say something like "dis where you wanna be when a primarch gets back?" Nope, I wanna say "we're good to go my lord, Cadia stands, which way to the front?"
The planet broke before the guard!
What no Ultramar had loads of problems readying for war when Bobby G came back he was ordering buildings demolished and all sorts that people were objecting to it. He was having to change governance and bring planets that had broken off from Ultramar back into the fold. This was not that long after the Tyranic Wars had hit them so it should have been an area people were ready for war; but Mortarion and the Death Guard cause some serious issues to the point if Roboute hadnt woken up would they have lost half the 500 world?
Problem with the maintenance is: You have 5 buckets. Sounds great untill you realise, you have 20 holes in your roof.
It sounds like they fell behind, but the imperium as it is now is surviving in a frantic crisis-mode, so you patch up what is important at that moment, put out the fires, that are realy a bit close for compfort and hope, you will get arround to the one burning a bit off the track, before it bites you. It is not so much different from how politics work today: Fix the immediate problem and hope, that someone else is in charge, when the flaming ball of manuer you chose to ignore for one reason or another comes crushing down.
hi rho thanks for the art feature! ❤
100 or so fist left.... man good thing GULIMAN is back with the primaris
Kantor. You think he's a good guy. The Crimson Fists were basically placing bets on when she would die. He only became 'good' when he realized his army was in the same exact position that she was. I love the story, but everyone forgets the beginning of it.
The problem with the Crimson Fists is hardly unique to them. Hubris. The word you dance around is hubris. The defenses on the planet are lax, rusted and generally forgotten. Why? Space marines. They normally would fly out in their ships to attack things. The idea that something coming to their stronghold? Inconceivable. Look at Baal, Sotha, Macragge. ALL OF THEM HAD THE SAME ISSUE. The books to prove that? Devastation of Baal, Scythes of the Emperor, and like three different Horus Heresy books for the Ultramarines. Know no fear, Mark of Calth, Angels of Caliban.
Hubris is the space marines constant Achilles heel.
You're right, hubris is a constant issue for the Astartes in general, likely a side effect of their transhuman nature.
In their defence in this regard, I'm sure there is more to rhe upkeep of a chapter homeworld defenses than just the marines themselves. If you think about their role in the big picture strategic defence of the wider imperium, and the material available to us, most of the chapter is never at home to begin with.
Your about companies are consumed with training and preparation of the next generation of recruits, while any returning line companies or strike forces are usually re arming and refitting for immediate redeployment.
I can see easily how allowing the mortal defence forces to assume responsibility for maintaining their own defences would in turn free up warriors and resources to be spent on their primary role.
Does this mean they're blameless for the lack of foresight and preparation? No absolutely not, but it does mitigate somewhat the unqualified shade being thrown at the chapter for this.
Most of the people criticising them for their actions have never had to make critical decisions to weigh up where there are no good choices to make, and never will.
Yeah this example is a Sci fi fantasy, sure, but you can find hundreds of examples of the results of this kind of thinking and consequences in just recent history, so I hardly think it's just hubris, nor is it a flaw unique to the Astartes.
If anything it simply marks them as still being human, despite everything.
You know this isn't real, right? LUL
@@crashingatom6755 yeah genius, we're aware. But why do people read or listen to stories in the first place.
I could tell you, but maybe take 5 solid minutes of your life and think about it. Probably hard for you. Thinking critically about anything is probably hard for you but give it a shot.
@@lface7426 do I have to remind you again that this is just a story? Don’t get your grandmothers panties in a bunch kid, go relax and touch some grass.
Crimson fist are my favorite space marine chapter. Vote for Pedro
They my first army I'm workin on. Gotta love em.
they failed to stay prepaired for war, they were caught resting on their laurals. their skill's and drills faded, im sure that missle was so under maintained that it more than likely malfunctioned and fell back upon it's launch site instead of having a failsafe trigger a self destruct before crashing back into the fortress monistary.
Son of Dorn or not, there is a reality check in this: resource are contested and contended. you need to provide for a large number of urgent matters so you give priorities, menace in the void? did the Crimson fist took a a 400 years R&R (Rest and Repose for the uninintiated)? or have them waged war on other planet? did the homeworld provide for the fleet or have they just ammasses resource and luxury? considering "grim dark future" and "there is only war" to me it is without doubdt that they focused on supply a war somwhere else than preparing for one on world.. so, yes, they made a mistake, one that had been made many many time, both in real life and in lore. Now, Wolf Lord Rho mentioned an "inquisitorial" intervention on the missile going rogue. I am not an expert on the Crimson Fist lore, can somebody point me in the right direction on this? I freaking hate the inquisition (well, most of it anyway)... so I would love to read some more stuff about this alleged conflict between the Crimson Fst and the basterd
As far as I know the Crimson Fists and the Inquisition enjoy cordial relations. As in they do not register on the Inquisitions radar as troublesome. They were used against a chapter that had been declared rogue, they are very codex compliant, nothing seems to suggest Inquisition sh1tlist. It's not like the Black Templars with their secret legion size, making Inquisitors that investigate them 'disappear' and butting heads with the Inquisition over the Celestial Lions.
Really enjoyed the Rynns world novel. If I were to venture a theory on the destruction of Arx Tyrannus, maybe the dark machinations of the Inquisition! By offering up Rynns world to the Orks, the Ork Warlord would be drawn out! Still, a very big risk if it went wrong. As regards the unpreparedness of Rynns world, the up keep of the planets defenses was the responsibility of the planetary rulers! To quote Dorn, "I want warriors, not vassals!"
wouldnt be the first time the inquisition has fucked over an astartes chapter...
Crimson fist use to be the attack dogs of the inquisition. Surely they would be considered too important of a tool to throw away like that
@@Connordaboss45 With the Inquisition, certain factions would have no problems using an Astartes chapter for their own ends.
@@davidmiddleton7958 Minotaur's and Red Hunters for example
Little fists not keeping their house in order haha what a shame.. Iron Within!
Alessio cortez is one of my favourite captains losses an arm and continues fighting lol 😆
Hydra Dominatus
The ultimate "stop-hitting-yourself" moment
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Loved rynns world if i ever get around to making a space marine army 100% it would be crimson fists
I hope you do the raven guard successor chapter video of the raptors 😶🌫️💚
Rynns world explained why this was the case right at the beginning during the ritual of blood
To be fair the chapter only had the world for around 1200 years prior to the events of the novel, prior to which they were an entirely fleet based crusading chapter not unlike the Black Templars. That being the case I don't think in the intervening nine millennia there's an established culture to build defenses for the Crimson Fists simply because they haven't needed to. The world has around 200 million people on it, mostly farmers. A fully militarized Rynns World, vs what they had still loses only slightly slower than what happened in this novel. Simply put, there was never a chance to have an Armageddon style setup with unlimited resources being thrown into the furnace by the native people and their industry. In short, could more have been done, sure, but in the Crimson Fists' defense barring their disastrous bad luck, they were as prepared as they needed to be to protect what they felt was the most important, which was their fortress in a remote mountain chain with stores and stores of supplies, not a world's population they didn't even recruit from.
The issue is partly down to the splitting of the Legions into Chapters. Chapters are much smaller and spend most of there time spread out far and wide. The local miltary forces likely expected the Chapter to have been more hands on.
You can't compare most of the Chapters to the Ultra Marines given there build empires, it's in their makeup to build and control entire planets. Most of the other chapters are merely visitors. The Chapter dropped the ball because they should have checked the defences that they likely built and were solid at the time, periodically.
However the planets human defenders took it for granted that by having a chapter based they would be defended.
Rynns World. = OoOOooooPPps!!
A bit of a 'Boo Boo' !
Love going to sleep to your videos never stop what your doing!
Dorn would probably have been executing the leadership of the world one by one for the state of the worlds defenses
The Chapter *are* the world's leaders. The Chapter Master of an Astartes homeworld is, to all intents and purposes, that world's Planetary Governor.
@mouseketeery if thats the case then that's who he would execute
@@mouseketeerynot on rynn's world. They keep to themselves until martial law is declared. There is a governor there at the time an old woman.
Towards the end of Chapter 5 there is a hint Dorn still lives.
that was a good story in the space marine battles group rynns world
11:06 More like "Can you imagine a modern military NOT performing regular tests and drills". In a universe "where there is only War", even when you have time to rest, rebuild, rearm, and prepare, NOT practicing for battle, even if the day never happens for Centuries or even Millennia, seems like utter stupidity. So, complacency is NOT the words I would use. "Criminal Neglect" and "Dereliction" better fit.
For Rogal Dorn and the Crimson fists
I know it’s supposed to be dramatic and sad, but it just seems like one of the Top 5 Looney Tunes Slapstick moments of 40k
Pedro Kantor: "Doh!!"
Them beakies were just lucky blue gitz.
I like Cortez, funny guy.
Not surprising if you know how military logistics works. There is a saying "Always ready for the last War, never ready for the Next". 1000 years means that the Administratum had probably re allocated resources the Space Marines probably focused on external threats, and the local planetary defense force was ill trained and complacent in training. This happens when country over leverage thier Special Operations units at the expense of their regular army. They can't fight conventional warfare.
So, anybody else thinking that some inquisitorial agent had something to do with the fall of the Arks Tyrannus? It was a theory at the time, given how unlikely it is for a cyclonic torpedo to malfunction. I do not believe it to be true, but it is still a possibility. :/
I really feel that, when reading an excerpt, you should do distinct voices for the characters......
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Love all your CF content
This was an absolute embarrassment, sons of DORN failing to maintain their planets defence and fortifications. If he were present I would not be surprised if he executed the chapter master and stripped previous chapter masters from imperial records in disgrace for dropping the ball this hard.
i wish your videos were longer 😁
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I detect a faint stench of heresy...
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Just goes to show the author doesnt know the chapter or the lineage of Dorn. No sons of Dorn would be so lax in their defences. I suppose it made a good story, but would've fit the lore better if it was a different chapter not of Dorns lineage.
dont know the timeline but cadia should have made them aware. On to the primaris fists in hope they will do better.
Someone shouted at me abd said its rimmsworld but I always thought was Rynns
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
Could anyone tell me the names of the books that have olanius pios or john grammaticus im new to the books
I believe they are both in Mark of Calth, and Grammaticus is in both Legion and Vulkan Lives. That's if I remember correctly. Hopes this helps. I DO, however, know that Ollanius is in a few of the Horus Heresy books that are short story compilations.
This doesn’t happen in ultramar. Just saying.
Should the defenses have been allowed to fall into disrepair? No. Was it inevitable? Yes. Look at how complacent we've become since war in the west stopped and that's just in 70 years. Over a thousand? That's inevitable. Macragge is a different situation in my opinion because it's a primarch homeworld.
Well, Macragge also gets invaded on a decadely basis...
Why. Just. Why. And while we're at it wht work mortals into the ground. The Astartes can literally go without sleep for like a month. They shouldve done the work. Let the mortals prepare for war. And, Dorn is a builder. These guys were lazy and payed the price.
They definitly dropped the ball a couple of chapter masters ago, what would Dorn think of.this event? Enough said