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0:00 The Rescue of Roboute Guilliman
4:57 Surfshark
6:27 The Identity of Cypher
9:46 The Actions of Cypher
13:14 Getting to the Throneroom
39:02 The Emperor's Message - Hry
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Cypher is a really sneaky ork painter an especially cunning shade of purple.
You mean Alpha-Legion Purple?
(I wonder if the 3rd legions corruptions is having any effect on the Ork color wheel)
Cypher comments: "He (Azrael) would make a good seneschal to the Lion."
Corswain was the Lions' seneschal. I feel like that's the most glaring clue we get implying that Cypher is Corswain.
The psycer probably messed with his mind a bit (maybe partly entered?). Would be an explanation for why he is so mad/ rambly in his own point of view story.
... or that he personally killed Corswain and thus knows that job's open.
This is an old comment I know, but I want to put this out there cuz I haven’t had a chance yet: in the Cypher: Lord Of The Fallen book, cypher encounters a demon (I believe it’s a demon, I don’t remember exactly what it was other than a psi-creature) who calls him The Soul Divided. Which when I first heard that I immediately thought about how the two main theories is that Cypher is either Corswain or Zahariel as they were last seen fighting each other. That comment on him having a divided soul makes me think that the splitting of Caliban in the Warp might have somehow fused Corswain and Zahariel into one body. It would explain why when the doomseer is trying to see Cyphers future, she sees two futures, both equally as real, almost as if he is two people
The Lion returned, the Fallen are being forgiven, GW is pumping out new Dark Angel models, and Cypher is getting a reprint next March. Never been a better time to be a Dark Angels fan.
Praise the Lion!
It was, until the Datasheets for the new units were released... and the Codex...
This aged poorly
@@irgilligan Hey, I had assurances from Perturabo that the Datasheets and Codex were going make a significant impact once they dropped. It's not my fault GW enlisted Erebus to balance 10th Edition.
@@irgilligan like yoghurt left out in the midday Sun.
@irgilligan How so? DA are riding the top of the meta post codex
Games workshop needs to do a game where you play Cypher like Assassin's Creed and having to escape different places after doing your objective. Stealing/spying/killing/gathering intel. Settings could be Imperial palace, spacehulks, craftworlds, tombworlds-- basically where ever.
It sounds cool, but the idea of a space marine actually being stealthy is just ridiculous.
@@muhammadujaama631 Stealty on a distance :D
@@muhammadujaama631 *laughs in Raven Guard*
@@Tarorc79 oh I know. But let's be real here....
@@muhammadujaama631 No! 😆
"Hmph. So, It begins. I suppose it’s time to do something inexplicable.... again.”
Do you think that cypher has been able to forest walk this entire time? It would explain how he disappears so easily.
Man I was thinking this same thing ever since the lion book. Maybe he inherited that ability and figured it out before anyone else.
Maybe he's breakdancing and acting a fool.
Some of the Ravenguard can get invisible like Corvus, so i would make Sense
He reminds me of Alpharius' abilities.
I think Cypher was there to kill the emperor and make him regenerate. I think thr "not yet" is a "don't kill me yet" fron the emperor and that they are going to tie it in with the return of Valdor
The book certainly seemed to really support that theory, if you went into reading it already having the theory in mind
that would be why gilliman doesnt want the blade any where near big e.
@@tooslow4065Cause it wasn't Alpharius who died at Eskrandor, it was Bobby G. That's why the Ultramarines don't have records about it and he doesn't correct them.
This is what i thought as well. Hence it was important to give him that message, before he went in!
Latest Horus Heresy book has The Emperor break part of himself off as a shard and send it away before he goes to fight Horus, Cypher could be that shard and that's why he's mentally unstable, doesn't know why he's doing what he's doing, only that he needs to get to The Emperor then he'll know.
I think the swap from the Lion having the sword of the Emperor to now, the shield of the Emperor, is also reflected in his shifted role in the Imperium; he's now more of a defender and redeemer, hence the shield, and less of an outright crusader (like his days with the sword).
The Lion never had the Emperor's Sword. The Lion's Sword was always its own thing.
As stated in a previous comment above, the lions sword is not the emperors sword. Guilliman has the emperors sword. The lion has the emperors shield. Which is pretty cool from a philosophical perspective. Sword and shield bla bla bla. The lions sword was just “the lions sword”
Regarding the 'Not Yet', there's a theory that the Emperor needs to die to be reborn, and that Cypher knows this. It could be that the Emperor is waiting for a particular moment for this to happen.
The emperor needs to have a lot of things in place to be reborn succesfully without everything falling apart. There has to be a way to power the astronomicon, his soul needs to be stable, he needs to be in controllmore than the belifs of humans, more of his sons need to be able to stabilise the imperium itself and the starchild has to return.
Dark Angels vs Custodian was just to prove that a custodian is literally "10 men"
Kafkaesque, in the darkness of the 41st melenium, their is only paperwork and regular work.
I like that Cypher acts on his own a lot. Maybe he's a small custodian, dressed up like a space marine.
they are called omegons
What if Cypher is Luther? That would be a twist.
Its someone that will be impactful when meeting the lion imo Luther is a good guess. Not sure if luther was able to redeem himself from chaos or kill a custodes@@scottross5495
If he was a custodian, _he_ would be the one to get that dream. Just way more efficient
@@scottross5495 wouldn't make sense. Luther was locked in the depths of the Rock until very recently. Cypher was at large the whole time until then. Most likely, he's Corswain.
Cypher is the Squat primarch that no one talks about and never got his own legion cause the emperor is height-ist, so Squatmarch runs around cosplaying as a normal space marine for shts and giggles.
I think he's Corswain but Zahariel used psychic powers to attempt to take over his body before he was slain by the Paladin. A combination of the strength of Corswain and the botched job has caused a sorta split personality in cypher. Hence why he does questionable things
Dude this might be the next best thing. I really hope he's mentally Zahariel at least. Such a great character, he's gotta come back
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Skaven mechanicus?
Man I absolutely love this content. Luetin, Wes and Sandman are the Lore Circle now.
Baldemort too!
@@ghannos9869 absolutely can not forget him or Oculus Imperia
Amber King is pretty great, too.
I absolutely cannot get past Wes' haircut. Looks like a small squid-like alien is trying to eat his brains. I simply cannot pay attention to what he says with that hair constructed puppet version of a mind flayer on top of him. He may be great st presenting lore, but ive never been able to find out.
Luetin and Sandman are indeed good though.
MY GOD ... who's that storming the ring??!!! IT'S 40K THEORIES WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!!
Wait! What if the way cypher disappears is by using the same power as the lion? He could also be using the forest to be were he is needed most.
which could mean the watchers are helping him
Or, what makes the most sense, is that it's his power to pass unnoticed even by Custodes. You know, like Alpharius was a master of and Omegon had it also but it was not as trained. But that power allowed Alpharius to walk right by Custodes and into the most sensitive areas of the Palace. But this not very likely.
I’ve heard it speculated that the alpha legion was essentially an experiment to see if they could develop something capable of adapting to the warp - to be capable of purifying itself. And that they were always meant to become corrupted.
That would fit right in with Cypher. Not saying it is that at all, just an option they could take.
I know Cypher's cannot be anything else but the Lion's Sword but given that you mentioned other options I think is good to add it cannot be Luther's sword since that one is in the posession of the Dark Angels, one of their Interrogator Chaplains added a black pearl to his Rosarius after breaking a Fallen and used the info to lead an expedition in which they recover Luther's sword, one that has an inscription that says it was a gift from the Lion and the blade is tainted by Chaos so is quite likely is the very same blade he used in their duel at Caliban.
There's also the fact that the sword carried by Cypher is too large for an astartes, and Luther isn't even a true astartes. He was too old for the astartes augmentations so he was given lesser augmentations, which means he's likely not as large as an astartes and gar too small for such a sword
What if the old man on the Throne Hekaron sees is actually Malcador
Cypher's purpose in that mission HAD to be to kill the Emperor so he could he reborn as a God. You ask there why he doesn't just tell the Custodes to let him through - that's because even if he wished for Cypher to kill him then the Custodes are hardwired to protect the Emperor so would be incapable of allowing it. I think in general the setting is moving towards the Emperor becoming a god and Cypher is one of his insurance policies, BUT the time has to be right in order for this to happen. I suspect the Emperor in the warp has some kind of deal with Ynnead where they can both return to the setting as fully-fledged gods of Order.
It would be interesting too since if you think about it even Terra going boom or being sucked into the warp wouldn't actually drastically change the setting - Custodes are out and about in the galaxy now so they'd still exist. The astronomican would just shift to god-mode Big E, and the main thing would be some interesting shifts and schisms within the Imperium itself.
Once the Lion meets with Cypher all will be settled.
I can't hear the name Asmodai without also hearing "REPENT MOTHERF***ER!!".
I would be very interested if Cypher and The Lion ever met now he has returned. Perhaps they have a long dialogue and the sword returned to its rightful owner. I doubt it would happen though, GW could potentially ruin one of it's most interesting characters if his identity was revealed in some way.
In a way. But, to quote Stephen King "Eventually you have to show the bear".
The Lion has let the one Risen marksman guy keep his helmet on and his identity hidden. Maybe he'd accept Cypher keeping his identity hidden, and it is part the tradition of the title of Cypher that the identity remains hidden.
I don't see a reason that GW couldn't have them meet and then separate based on the Lion's statements about joining him being optional so long as the legion members hadn't become corrupted
I want Cypher to be dragged before the Lion, and the Lion to go "...Why the hell have you got my most loyal supporter in chains?" For Cypher to basically go "'Sup Dad, here's your sword."
When I read it I also had the take that Cypher meant he could have killed the corrupt marine earlier instead of letting his warp powers and corruption grow. Not use some warp noodles to cure his affliction. But who knows. It was a great read!
I like how Guilliman's armour has his name written on it, as if someone's going to look at a suit of giant power armour absolutely bedecked in Ultrasmurf livery and think, I wonder who this might belong to?
The theme of "seeking truth unwisely leads to death" is a theme that repeats in 40k literature: the same theme in this novel was in the Emperor's words at Nikea, which becomes the Edict that Nemiel (Zahariel's cousin) fatefully stood up to The Lion over when the primarch wanted to reinstate Librarians to battle demons. The primarch killed him in a fit of rage when Nemiel wouldn't back down, leading to Zahariel's hatred for his primarch, leading him to become a Fallen, etc. All very ouroboric.
What if Cypher's mission is to bring back Konrad as a loyalist Primark and his visions of his death where wrong because of Horus stopping time!
I kept saying throughout "Lion Son of the Forest" "youre not getting old, youre just out of shape bud"
Honestly i think Cypher is stuck in a warp thingy that spews him out in places that shit hit the fan only for him to take the blame either for the success or failure
Kind of like... The Forest?
Epic voice of Guilliman. Definitely need animation on this stories
Or sandman just reading books to us
It’s going to be interesting when Cypher and the Lion meet up
Cyhpher seems like great Tzeench guy
Cypher is in league with Trayzen to steal phat lootz.
Love Cypher and I hope he is Coswain just doesn't remember who he is after the devastating destruction of Caliban but the old Cypher puts the thoughts in his head he is Cypher right before he dies.
Same!
Ive always thought how cool would it be if it turned out that cypher was a lost primarch.
Some of the Custodes and certainly Guilliman would've recognized him though.
@@thenson1HaloThere’s already at least ONE primarch that can blend into environment and hide his primarch aura from others.
Hint: His name begins with A
@@Barad-Dur_IsACapitalOfMordorangron???
@@kikobautista2564 WRONG
@@kikobautista2564 XD
Bonkers theory, warp shenanigans happened during the duel and cypher is both zahariel and corswain fused together
Cypher is Zahariel. The Emporor himself told Zahariel he has a purpose in the future after Zahariel stopped the nuke. That would be an awesome forshadow IMHO. Far better than Corswain, also the hate for the killing of Nemeiel, who was a POS BTW, needs closure and what better way than him brining the Lion his sword in a time of his greatest need? Man, I love this story line.
I like Nemiel, but also glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's a bit of a piece of shit 😅
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New to your videos but I absolutely love this discussion 👏🏻 looking forward to checking out your back catalogue
Cypher is Alpharius
He is in fact, very much not Alpharius
omegon************
But alpharius is actually Norman Smith.
He's the reincarnation of ferus Manus by the dark eldar
@@SandmanofTerraSounds like exactly what Alpharius would want you to think.
37:01 the single worst version is the World Eater bare-knuckle punching through Auramite and ripping out a custodians heart.
That, and the two neophytes killing a custodes are really the only examples of it. I don't think what is basically a genestealer and a race of Liberians custodes equivalent killing custodes easily is bad writing
So down for Lion and Russ buddy cop book. Especially if Robert Rath writes it like the Infinite and Divine!
How is Infinite and Divine? It's in my library but I haven't started it
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 you gotta start it immediately, its hilarious.
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 I’m listening now, it’s quite good. The Necrons are both incredibly serious (technologically) and kinda stupid and hilarious (socially).
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 It's fantastic, ready it or listen to the audiobook
If Cypher has been guided by the Emperor along his journey, we also have to recall there are 3 Emperors now.
1. The Corpse-Emperor of the Golden Throne.
2. That Star Child inside the Astronomican.
3. The Black King clone made by the Dark Eldar (in exchange for repairing the Golden Throne).
So, if the Emperor on the throne were to die, his power wouldn't transfer only to the Star Child, but also the Black King. "Not yet" then means more lore has to be written, either a story about kidnapping the clone as a Vessel for the Emperor, or disposing of him in some other way. But probably a kidnapping and then a soul transfer into the clone would fit better with 40k, as this would certainly go wrong and cause a soul-split and a new God of Order to be born in the Warp (ala Sigmar in Fantasy Warhammer).
If your going to have organized and wildly succesful assassins I think their inability to act without that order is very wise
I had the same thought.
My feeling on the scene where Cypher gets told ‘not yet’ was his forgotten mission is to kill the Emperor so he can be reborn. But the Emperor is not ready to be reborn yet, hence ‘not yet’.
100%
Especially given the chaos sorceror's plan in son of the forest
As the destruction of Caliban goes, wasn't it the case that the T'chucha engine had been used in the 40k era to take a shortcut through the warp, and as a side effect a backlash went back through time and destroyed Caliban?
That's absolutely how I read it too.
Cypher is both Zahariel and Corswain. All his actions can be either from either, better yet it is born from the joint decision of both minds, which mesh in one broken one. Both psycher and martial, both warp tainted and pure, both loyal and traitor.
It's a fair theory,.and could work.
Personally, I just don't see any of Zachariel in any of cyphers actions.
Zahariel is stone cold evil and hates the lion with every fibre of his being, I don't see that in cyphers actions
“Cypher, our princess is in another castle”😂
Seeing as Azrael was able to enter Luther's cell and discover he was gone means the Lion Blade was not needed to enter it so it was either used for the Lion's chamber or there is another room which interpersonal theory is it would be for the chamber Zaharial was taken to when he was brought into the Inner Circle or perhaps a library that stores the tombs and scrolls taken from the Order (name escaped me) the Lion defeated in the North Wilds as those tombs, books and scrolls were filled with studies of Chaos.
That was some really impressive voice work in the beginning. If you're not already a voice actor, I think you really could be.
This video was very informative and fun to listen to. You got a new subscriber
You will never convince me that Cypher is not Alpharius! Nevvvvvveeeer!
It’s also because to fraction of the imperium is fighting, you risk being on the wrong side if you help one side, and the assassin fraction usually try to not get involved in the internal conflicts unless they are ordered to, internal conflicts are not rare in the imperium of man.
Good video. I actually just read the Cypher novel last night.
They said the sword could be a key. What if it released a trapped vulkan? Maybe sets off the Doomsday device? Turns off the golden throne?
Turns off the doomsday device so the Emperor can die and be reborn without sacrificing the administrative hub of the imperium?
It's been some time since I read the book; but, I think something else that is significant as well is the absence of the hooded ones that are always around in the corners. They're always around the Dark Angels in almost every other book and I don't recall seeing any reference to them in regards to Cypher. Is Cypher acting outside of them or are they some part of Cypher if we're talking about shards of the Primarch?
One question I've always had is could Cypher be Luther? His mind twisted by the chaos he's trying to make amends for what he did. Trying to reach the emperor to ask forgiveness. The key Cypher is carrying could be to an empty room.
But the DA chapter masters have all woke "Luther" up and questioned him. Who would be the mad man that the DA's have imprisoned and think is Luther?
Luthers not a space marine, just an augmented human, so he's head and shoulders shorter than an astartes. In official images of Cypher he's a normal sized marine, just doesn't add up.
Personally, I think he's Zahariel.
44:20. "Sorry...you cannot complete this number as dialed..."
Luther has been off the rock for some time now. Think it was around the time of the changelings attack
25:17 I'm in the shard issue since I joined the ranks of the Angels of Death. I always thought whether Cypher is the Ghost of the Lion in one of the fallen doing a secret campaign. And the disappears will be the same as the forrest stuffof El Johnson.
Another great video glad i subscribed and i would love to read or hear your thoughts on if perturabo and rogal got along and worked with each other how different will the imperium be
That's a great idea, and would be cool. Barabas Dantioch and Alexis Polux have one of the most popular friendships in all of 40k even. So they probably would have been great.
Another interesting point though is that this was always going to be incredibly unlikely, Malcador tells us that he and the Emperor deliberately stoked rivalries to spurr on the great crusade. very bad dad
@@SandmanofTerra That is true that's why I think about barabas and Alexis is what perturabo and rogal would have been like if the emperor and malcador didn't have them go into a rivals
Dark Angel : we could not find this fallen scum
Inquisitor: how is that possible
Cypher: bish because i switched to surf shark!!!
46:20
the man must have some sort of entertainment
the emperor
i hope Cypher's identity is never revealed. when DC comics revealed who the Joker was, it took away the mystery of the character. when him and the Lion meet, i think the Lion will know exactly who he his. but i really hope they don't out right name him, to keep the mystique
I hope beyond hope that Cypher is moving in and out of the pocket dimension and working for the King in Yellow.
Cypher is Vash the Stampede
I like to think Cypher is both Corswain and Zahariel. Maybe as warp stuff happened during the destruction of caliban and the scattering of the fallen their souls are somehow combined. Maybe Zahariel was casting a psyker attack on Corswain as this event took place linking their souls. Hence Cypher having these abilities, combat skills and agendas that benefit both chaos and the imperium. It could also account for some of cypher’s apparent insanity and his ever changing personality as the traits and characteristics of both Corswain and Zahariel struggle with each other for dominance within the singular being.
The message to Cypher makes perfect sense. As you say, Cypher is pretty much insane; whatever mission he's on that he doesn't even understand himself, it's entirely plausible that whatever his mission is involves him standing before the Emperor, but that there are preconditions that have to be met before that. So the message is meant to put Cypher back on the correct path, rather than trying to rush to the end.
This was a fun listen
This is so captivating i was very sad when the video ended and then i realised 50mn had gone by just like that xD
Thanks for watching!
My theory is that the emperor is gathering strength from the warp and the sacrifice of the 1000 psyches at the expense of his physical body. This however means nothing to him as he is a perpetual and can regenerate as soon as he is killed. Cypher is the hand that he has instructed to kill him. Using the lion sword as it is powerful enough to achieve it. However the power and machinations he is laying out are not yet finished so he delayed Cyphers task.
I think the emperor has gathered enough psychic strength, especially considering him being a practical god because of the way the imperium worships him (which could've been a part of his long plan of hos swift and tactical return, even tho he is against religious figure and institution) besides that, I think the emperor is waiting out careful for the imperium to recover, primarchs returning, primaris, Big E knows that his return will cause an immediate crusade from Chaos and wants his imperium strong enough, soon .
The whole part with the Lion's sword doesn't make any sense though. It's just a power sword, and there's nothing to indicate that it's anything more than that. It's not a psychic force weapon like the Grey Knights or other warp empowered individuals use, nor one if the weapons like Russ and Valdor's spears or the emperors sword which house fragments of the emperor's power
What about something is in the lions sword and the emperor needs it? It's not about cypher itself, but the emperor knows that he is the one who can reach him in the throneroom. Like the emperor knew that cawl will get the memories of some other guys and gave them a message, knowing cawl will get their minds.
I think that has a little tragedy in it. It means that the lion had to "fall" in the imperium secundus, but that is also a little bit that kind of style how magnus did his "mistake", or mortarion saved his legion, or curze wanted to be shot to end it for him, alpharius (maybe) told rogal that everything is a plan, but rogal killed him before he was able to told him the plan, but maybe with his information, they could turn the whole history in the end of the siege of terra.
More than Likely this is what is happening (or will happen): When the Lion meets the emperor he will be given the sword back or have it in hand to aid the emperor. There will be an attack by Bile or someone else in the throne room. Alpha Primus will be in tow or teleport to tera by himself (or something of the sort) and, after the old body is struck down by the Lion (after sword soul talking mcguffin and stopping the dark one transformation again or some Tyranid Bile Pimarus abomination attack to eat the Emperor), will sit in the throne and take off his helmet to revel that he was the incarnation or the of the star child and the new fully awoken emperor.
The King in Yellow will appear and yell something on the lines of "DUTY UNTIL DEATH!" and a big ass battle will be had. Primarchs will return from the warp, God powers from new Big E- the whole nine yards. Then, after the dust is stetted, it will be reviled that the Tyranids were sent by the Last of the Old Ones to reclaim the galaxy and the whole of the Leviathan battles were for either cleansing or testing the level of thread they needed to counter. Then there will be some "why can't you use the new Emperor in my army" explanation of some sort.
Why do I think this? This allows for an explanation of why the Necrons were woken early by the silent king, it allows for new models and powerup for Orks and for Orks to battle Qorks as the biggest Ork wants to rule the bigest battle. Aldari Gods to form a new angle for Humanity to not be Howling against dieing. and Lots of new books and plastic to make every one buy.
Oh mysterious Cypher, great Champion of the Fallen
I like the point that you discuss here, the cool that is the figure of Cipher and the bad and good writing moments like Kill Custodians as any other foes (there is something pretty bad used just skip some of the most well stablished lore about the power and resilence of Custodians) as well the good things like the Dream of custodians. that lead to the well polished idea thata Cipher works like the real porpouse of the Dark Angels being a Hidden Asset that deal with unthinkable tasks and he has the secrets needed to deal with these tasks.
I like to see in a future a encounter between Lion'el and Cipher, that will be amazing.
I can't wait for that encounter
Always believed it for access to one of the 3 weapons the Lion was obsessed with, of which it was said he had access to 2 the Oroborous being one. But I just hope they fix this for I'm dead..been reading for 35 years and I'm 60.
As to understand the whole "why not tell the custodes Cyphers a chill dude who has free pass to come and see me" we could make some assumptions to have one way to understand it.
First, let's say that Cyphers goal is to kill big Ed's husk of a mortal shell in order to let him be reborn. It's specifically mentioned by several characters that it's specifically the sword that would allow Cypher to kill big E. Just going in blazing with bolter and plasma wouldn't be enough. And there are probably few weapons that are powerful enough to kill big E.
Secondly, it's clear big E isn't exactly using words to communicate and it's difficult to communicate for him. We see it in the Lion book as well as with all these dreams. Way I interpret that is how he communicate is through visions of the future path he want people to enact.
Thirdly, even if he were to say "let Cypher kill me", do you think anyone making that interpretation would dare to say it out loud, and even less everyone would agree to it without causing major in fighting and further complications? If you were a custodian, how do you think your Fellows would react to "hey, big E told me we should let this Cypher dude come into the throne room and decapitate him". Would it be more likely they would Heed your vision or throw you into a cell under suspicion of chaos corruption?
The vision showed what would happen if Cypher were to go through with the plan, and seeing the wanted path and historical paths made sense for the custard man.
As to why big E didn't say it himself directly to Cypher could simply be because Cypher is shielded/shrouded from big E himself. It's part of the trade-off to obscure his future and obscure his identity from everyone, even chaos, for over 10'000 years.
It's possible the watchers in the dark have something to do with all of this as well. Just thinking of how they knew that big E would only respond to Lion when he asks the right question, not to forget they seem to share mirror Caliban to some extent and it feels implied they are working with the big E seeing how they guide Lion to the shield when he's ready. Not to forget open up a portal to the sword in the stone once Lion decides it's better to die fighting than abandoning his son to his fate when meeting the two obliterators unarmed. I'm also guessing they guided him to find the Fallen in that region.
Tinfoil hat...
Cypher's destiny is to kill the Emperor. Not all of him, but the part of him that's on the Golden Throne, the part that exists as a despotic, uncaring parasite on Humanity. The part of him that will be the Dark King.
But the part of the Emperor that actually CARES, the part that's out there in the cosmos trying to save humanity, needs to find a suitable host first. It needs the Starchild.
The message was "Not Yet" not because of anything to do with The Lion, it was because it's too soon to kill the Corpse Emperor.
Lion El Jonson was truly a huge dick in the crusade era and I am really loving how his character has developed since his awakening.
The idea that the sword is a key to Luthers cell is way off if it was he wouldn't be visited on the reg by people giving him a little torture and while cipher was leaving the cells they made a point of saying the sword vanished only for the lion in his book to pull one from a stone not long after and for it to be matching on his new model it may be a key on the rock but definitely not to the newly escaped luthers cell
Is there a possibility that the Lion or other loyalist primarchs being older atm might be GW getting ready to cut and paste the Merlin aging backwards trope?
I suspect the follow up to the Horus heresy (The Scouring) will sort this out. Or possibly the next few dark angels books. Hopefully Corswain is at least part of the answer.. However the fact that Cypher was certain that a custodian posed no threat to him at all has me thinking Omegon has to be in with a shot. Seems likely to be a fusion of two characters. Great character whoever he turns out to be👍
'Go home' was a better set of words lol
But it could also be that cypher is the one who is destined to kill the emperor and that time is not yet. But it could be other things as well.
I am pretty sure the city that he sees in his vision is the City of Dust. And the figure is the King in Yellow. It pretty much sounds like him.
First thing to pop in my mind during the first mins was deadpool😅, crazy, 2 guns, blade in the back etc😁
Fully expecting Cypher to be Luther with the broken mind and forgetting who he is.
Cypher must be a Tyranid!
17:05 Denmark is 42,943 km2 (16,580 sq mi)
I wonder if tzeentch has any sway in cyphers story, if not directly but thru things he plots to make cypher think hes the plotting one..
Isn't that kind of Tzeentch's MO? Apperently, because Tzeentch draws power from every act of plotting, they are almost inevitably involved in all plots.
That's how I gathered it from the wiki, I might be completely wrong.
yeah but with the emperors godlike interference I wonder how much sway tzeentch has in this whole endeavour compared to big Es power over the events yet to unfold@@MichaelLewis-fx8eq
Ezekiel's prophecy about recovering Epimetheus from Abbadon's captivity is growing more interesting by the Lion's return. Who did he switch places with? Where will Lion be during the other named characters' quest? Cypher can only be revealed to be who he is by this plot thread closing...
Also Cypher could also be time traveling due to Azrael's decision that lead to Calaban's destruction via Tuchulcha and the Plague Heart in Unforgiven...
While Tuchulcha could be Dr Who in 40k, the Lion and Cypher could be seen as it's companions, though Lion mostly "in dimesion in space" (pragmatic mindset, 3d) while Cypher including "time and" (mysterious mindset, 4d)
Would the guy on the throne possibly be the king in yellow, using Cypher to do what he can not from his position
Cypher is Luther his mind still broken from having the chaos taint beaten out of it by the lion. When he returns to the rock and opens Luther's crypt. That's when he'll find out who he is. That's my theory anyway.
19:34 the Lion is out and about, so it can't be the Lion's chamber... so it is probably the key to Luther's chamber... except that Luther is out and about...
Luther got out before the lion awoke
Has the chronology of when the Lion's return takes been made clear?
I was under the impression that it's substantially after the opening of the rift, and the Cypher book takes place within days of the rift opening
@@ulicqel-droma6884 I am aware of this.
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Not exactly afaik. It's implied it's quite recently the rift had opened (in this case this could mean anything from a few months to a couple of years, but probably less than a decade). Simply due to how they talk about seeing the rift in the night on the first planet Lion comes to.
And we know it's a couple of months afterwards that Lion meets Dante and that Dante has crossed the rubricon by then. So yeah... Within a couple of years perhaps? Not long enough for the news about Guillimans return to reach that part of the Imperium the Lion is in at least.
Cypher - Hide and Seek champion since 30k
So I dont know a lot of the lore, but all mariens etc have a built in loyalty to the emporer, unless they are tamperd with, so could cyphers multipul futures mean he has broken free of that enate loyalty and is now deciding his path
The only time Cypher materializes is when he's not coated in purple.
I think Cyper is Corswain.
This is the correct answer
This is simply some crazy guess that could already have an answer as i havent read everything. Did read the new Lion book though. Perhaps The sword was a symbol of the Lions heart being broken by Luthors betrayal and it is fixed or gets fixed oncehe fixes his legion bringing back all the fallen. Him drawing it complete is when it shows he and his legion are healed. Or perhaps the key being near the emperor woke the lion
Guys i understand Cypher from Codex Angel of Death on as a Fallen Angel who have the Mission to ask for forgiveness by the Emperor. I think that he wants to kill the Emperor is a feint! No normal Space Marine, not even a Consul, can expect to get past 300 Allarus Terminator bodyguards and the additional Custodes on guard alive!
I'd think the in-universe reason for only using "not yet" is to make sure that if someone else was listening, no one else would understand what it means