Ben Hopes Kramnik Accuses Him of Cheating
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
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If u play Kramnik and he doesn’t accuse you of cheating, are you even trying?
trying is the first step to failure
You must try in Tuesday. Only way is you can try to compete
Even if you don’t play him and he doesn’t accuse you - you’re still not trying ! But yes, first step to failure etc…
If Crymnik is not accusing you of cheating it means you are having troubles login in
The rant by three and a half minutes in was making me bust a gut laughing. This is great. I too hope Kramnik accuses everyone of cheating all the time. It's a badge of honor now.
Ben's Editor suspiciously producing 99th percentile thumbnails ...
Interesting
gold comment
Kramnik got poor mouse skills which effects his online chess in all time formats
Good luck with your goal! I look forward to the recap video of that!
Ben always has 50-50 chance to be right! (Kramnik's principle)
Except when he is not. (Ben's principle)
2:00 Kramnik's understanding of math and stats is probably lower than that of a smart kid.
Probably lower than that of a stupid kid to
Lower than my poor understanding of basic algebraic equations 💀
Kramniks understanding of math is much better than yours. You did not make a single argument. Just hot air.
@@tombrady4977 sort of like Kramnik.
@@tombrady4977 you literally did the exact same thing. However, stats don't care about your opinion. If you are specifically picking out data sets and ignoring others to form your probability, that is called Cherry Picking and isn't actually how stats or probabilities are factored. You can glaze kramnik all you want, big guy, but it doesn't change the objectivity of actual statistics. This is a situation where your opinion doesn't change reality. You are like the flat earther who doesn't understand math and then makes the claim they have debunked Einstein while believing math has no benefit to science. You are essentially the product of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or are susceptible to the appeal to authority fallacy. Basically, you don't know enough about this to know you are wrong, or you are assuming that because Kramnik is an authority on chess his authority lends him abilities in Math. Which is unfounded. Oh well, look at that. An ACTUAL argument against you and Kramnik. Now do you blow hot air or do you refute my argument by proving the cherry-picked data sets are somehow representative of cheating? So please, feel free to demonstrate how Cherry Picking a data set allows you to accurately model probability. I'll wait.
"They are just beating him", Ben just summed up Kramnik's life now
"Truth hurts", Ben Finegold talking about Kramnik, May 2024
Being accused by Kramnik is like being insulted by Don Rickles, except that Kramnik isn't trying to be funny.
Fingers crossed for you Ben! Hope the stars align so that you can receive an undeserved hackusation!
Giri accuses everyone of drawing.
Lol
You must try in Title Tuesday against everyone
Kramnik doesnt care about cheaters he doesnt play, only the "cheaters" he plays himself.
Kramnik Is Just jealous of this generation
if you play Kramnik maybe you should use an engine. Then him not accusing you of cheating will be a victory as well.
uhh huh, Gloria, I think they got your number. 😅
When do we meet his stats experts? It's been months.
Ben's humor is unmatchable and simply brilliant. Definitely my favorite chess streamer.
New blockbuster "Saving Private Chescom"
1:56 clash of claims in a nutshell.
Yes, rooting for you Ben!
The arguments Ben Finegold represents are the following: "Kramnik is cherry-picking his stats." That argument is not right; Kramnik showed a great representation with many games involved. The second argument from Finegold is: "Kramnik takes things to be important when they are not." So this means it's not important that someone else is cheating? Or does it mean basing the opinion that someone is cheating on statistical overperformance is not important? Then, how else would you know someone was cheating? This means the second argument by Benfinegold is also wrong. Then the insults vs. Kramnik. Saying he is a bad online blitz player when Ben Finegold is ranked below him is just self-dissing. Overall, a very bad video and take on the situation. Ben Finegold: "Everything that Kramnik says is irrelevant." To have the audacity to say this and post it on the Internet and expect people to believe you just shows how little intelligence you expect from your viewers. It is shameful for Ben Finegold that he can't deal with a different opinion on a valid argumentative basis, and that he insults and disrespects Kramink like that.
Kramnik is full of shit and only an idiot would believe in his claims but ok
italics anyone?
Ben is a cheater! I am not Kramnick but I hope I have helped
Let's apply the procedure
I'm going to help you with your spelling, it's kramnik 😉
@@SteveMeek Thx and I'll return the favor and teach you about capitalizing proper nouns it's Kramnic
@@doubtingflock1073 *Thanks
*favour *Kramnik. Spelling class for you on Friday 👍
@SteveMeek No, it's spelled favor here in merica' go back to Normandy
Ben Finegold, you crack me up.
Whenever my opponent accuses me of cheating (happens occasionally), I'm just very glad because then I know I played really really well.
This seems like an example of someone who's smartness in one area leads them to believe theyre also brilliant about other things that maybe just maybe they dont have expertise on
Kramnik is crazy like....
Fox News
Kramnik at this point truly believes that if he can’t do something, it is “statistically impossible” and anyone who outperforms him is therefore “cheating”. They guy has lost his marbles completely
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Go Ben!
But stay there!
You are legitimately one of the funniest persons I've ever seen. It sounds a tad weird to almost creepy, but I would really want to be friends with you 😂
Kramnik just ate dust with Jospem!!
Jose won, Chess won.
I believe in you Today! You can be the best "cheater"!
it should be remembered about kramnik that while he's crazy and refuses to take probability math advice from actual statisticians, he IS fighting the good and right fight. and as we can see the prevalence of cheating in physical sports, top people with much more to lose, absolutely 100% use doping rampantly. people who want to win enough will always take the risk, any risk. and chess players are only human, which means we're not any better than olympic skiers, cyclists, UFC fighters, 100m sprinters.
so the MOST LIKELY REALITY is cheating is rampant in chess as well. maybe worse than kramnik thinks. and as we know from other sports, people seemingly having integrity means NOTHING regarding their likelihood of cheating. kramnik is clearly delusional in his methods and can't be trusted on any detections, but he's most likely right about the general situation and how bad it is.
so two things: while kramnik is crazy, I hate that people take that and conclude he must be wrong, or that we should be laughing at his attempts to find the cheaters. NO! we should be taking his example and doing the same, only better. we need more kramniks, but we need our kramniks to do a better job. this is THE FIGHT that must be encouraged not ridiculed.
second thing: once we come up with a trustable method, and we will, and we'll go through historical games to check everyone... and there 100% will be people caught who you always fiercely believed were beyond reproach. people exactly like hikaru, magnus and even kramnik himself. people who you never in your life thought might've cheated. we just don't know who they are, yet, but that's what's gonna happen.
so like I said, it has happened in every other sport, and believing us chess players are any different is the dumbest possible baseless attitude we can have on this. Carl Lewis, the biggest boy scout olympic hero in history, was caught cheating in every olympics he took part in. every single one. he just always found legal loopholes to slip the verdict every single time. his support people, with the help of sports organizations, always found a technicality, lapse of procedure or something to claim 'reasonable doubt'. but he did test positive every single time. he was always cheating but smiled and lied and was biblically pissed off at any accusations all the way to retirement. he never admitted it.
and that's gonna be the situation with some of our current untouchable heros as well. some of them are cheating right now, have always been, and WHEN they finally get caught it'll destroy your faith in people, you'll be beyond devastated even for years at how you never saw it coming. you might even quit chess for years. that's exactly what's happened in tons of other sports to tons of top pros who always seemed beyond reproach.
to not understand this reality is being a fool in front of statistics. we are no different from any other sports. people in our sport don't have an inch more integrity from any other sport, because we're all stuck in the gaussian. we're not a special case.
the problem is, kramnik is actively hurting the anti-cheating case. Because the more he baselessly accuses everyone, the more people start to dismiss ANY cheating accusations. Like the boy who cried "wolf". When 95% of accusations are baseless - people tend to just assume that new accusation is also baseless.
The closest thing I can think of is false rape accusations. If there are a lot of proven false rape accusations - people start to dismiss and doubt a LOT on every rape accusation, even if accusation isnt false. And it hurts real rape victims the most.
So kramnik might think he is "fighting the good and right fight" - but he makes cheating situation actively worse.
@@trythis610 I think the anti-kramnik lashout is doing that 100x more, which was kinda my point. people are pretending that a large amount of his accusations aren't true just because they don't want to think their favourites could be guilty. where as kramnik has made a point of using exactly same method to everyone, as failed as it might be, regardless of if he knows them or not.
I mean if you go back to before hans-scandal even hikaru made much more accusations daily just based on his 'feeling' of his opponents.
@@babstra55 "anti-kramnik lashout" woudn't exist without kramnic being crazy. You cannot blame people for doing the logical thing - doubt the words of such a person. All the responsibility of hurting chess community lies on the initial root (kramnik baselessly acusing everyone), not on the logical events that it causes. "Kinda your point" is simply wrong
Favourites possibility of being guilty have nothing to do with the cause. Provide good enough evidence - and it doesn't matter who is accused, evidence is evidence. Hans example is also terrible (and proves my point, not yours) - as he is a known cheater. It was confirmed that he cheated online and then he admitted of cheating himself. And his inconsistency and inability to analyze games in post-game interview was only doing things worse for him. He is probably the best example of why cheating situation is so horrible - even with 100%confession he didn't get banned from on-board games somehow. Just getting a slap on a wrist for cheating is insane
I am 100% on board with accusations that are fact-based (even if in the end person in question can be found not guilty). But baseless accusations do not help anyone
kramnik's accusations are not baseless, he's basing it to data which he is sharing. it's just that his math is wrong. but he's not making up the accusations out of thin air.
where as hans cheating against magnus was based on absolutely no evidence, it's a textbook example of a baseless accusation. yes hans was caught twice before, and yes a lot of people at the time thought he was cheating (including myself). but I don't think anyone serious thinks that anymore as he's constantly shown to be a strong player afterwards.
that said, the reason I brought hans up was NOT him cheating, but the moment in TIME when hikaru stopped casually accusing people who played well against him, BECAUSE after hans sued him hikaru understood you can't just throw accusations around without consequences. BEFORE that hikaru was much more prolific accuser of people than kramnik with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, but for some reason nobody has a problem with that.
@babstra55 I am not talking about kramnik's initial accusations of hikaru, I actually appreciate them and following investigation. I however do not appresiate his inability to accept he was wrong and his following accusation of dozens of pro players not based on moves, but based on for example "this guy is too young for his rating, in my days noone that young was even close to that level". Statistics can be initial suspicion, but you need to provide specific moves you think your opponent is using engine. So every time he doesn't provide specific move but accuses it is baseless.
Cheating against magnus was based (excluding already floating suspicions) on the fact that magnus made unusual opening and hans instantly countered it, and following inability of hans to analize the game. It is not baseless, you seem to havе nо ideа what "baseless accusation" means. Accusing someone not based on chess move (like kramnik does to everyone) is baseless accusation, accusing someone based on chess move (like magnus did with hans) is not baseless. Magnus was wrong, but thats it
hikaru was not even close to kramnik in terms of accusing people. He did a lot of accusations in public games (which i think is fair, cheating there is out of hands) - but he never accused dozens of pro players, and never claimed after tournament loss that everybody in tournament are cheating. And hikaru usually did accusation based on specific moves, not general "he is playing too good but he cant be that good"
You are comparing public games accusation using specific moves with pro and tournament accusations that are done without any specific moves claims, and they are in a different realm
I believe in Kramnik
I do not like the fact that you are making fun on Kramnick and I'm not joking as you always do. Everybody has is opinion and must be respected did you understand that concept or I must draw you a picture so that your brain can cope with the information ?
Play the Kramnik bot it's pretty much undefeatable as he was at one time ❤
I have watched all live streams title Tuesday made by kramnik, and I have to say he have all rights to be suspicious about FM and IM, it’s very illogical to see kramnik beating top blitz players like Anish giri and daniil Dubov but straggling with FMs and IMs
Also ben have mentioned that if cheating is very common as kramnik claims than the 4 players who always win the title wouldn’t change, but the thing is, if you decide to cheat against someone like hikaru and win as an FM or IM, your account will get banned immediately and that’s why I guess they choose to not cheat against top players
Crymnik is the best toilet chess player of all times
Mate Kramnik with 3 knights and he will accuse you.
Kramnik was a pretty good player says a mediocre chess player.😅
Says a rookie
@@g-1393And do you have any arguments? Calling the guy who defeated Kasparv pretty good apparently has no idea about chess. A pretty lame commentator whomis jealous and need more likes on CZcams.
@@tombrady4977 what argument that he is a dork?.. He is one of the weakest world champions.. Most people would agree.. He was also accused of cheating in 2006. I believe he did. He is fraud who he has gone insane.. Hikaru is 1000 times better
@@g-1393 oh my god breathe in a bag. These fanboys always cry. Calm down nobody wants to hurt your idol.
@@tombrady4977 bro u literally attacked him 1st for putting ur cheating dork idol in his place 😭😭.. Kramnik fans can't practice what they preach just like his idol who himaself cheated bt accuses others
Irony may be the one true religion. I believe in irony.
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The way Ben talks about Kramnik shows that he loves him.
No arguments whatsoever. Cherry-picking I think this guy does not even understand what it means. Kramnik is very detailed. If you don’t agree fight him with arguments. But I guess Ben needs klicks for his CZcams channel
Many people don't understand what Kramnik says. I for example don't understand Kramnik. He tries to proove the existence of something without having a reference how the nonexistence would look like. There is no control group. It doesn't matter how "very detailed" his calculation of "Pi" is, if he doesn't understand that he is not calculating Pi but something else.
For example if there is no cheating, then his calculations are wrong. If there is cheating, then whatever he does is also wrong because he has no idea how a complete non cheating data set would look like.
🕵️🧑🔬🤹🧑🔬🙉🙈🙊
I still remember when it was said that Lance Armstrong would not cheat, but would have particularly strong muscles. The question is rather who is not cheating in elite sports.
cringe
Well sorry Ben you are just irrelvant. some random youtubers get 20 times your views
May be you have already been accused by Kramnik but with his faked Steinitz account and may be you already cheated on titled tuesday but with your fake Nakamura account and may be I'm Grandmaster Finegold and you are not confusing the fake audience
Nihal is a cheater and Kramnik is right.
I don't play over the internet cuz EVERYONE DOES CHEAT! I used to play at the Marshall Chess Club and several players would have their tablets out playing Chess with engine help FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.