With New Car Inventory Still Scarce, Will These New Subaru Quality Control Issues Scare Buyers Off?
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As a former Subaru tech, and a lifetime Subaru owner, this only makes me appreciate them more. It’s says a lot about the company that they are willing to admit that they made mistakes and are willing to pay for those mistakes. A lot of other manufacturers would avoid it or act like it wasn’t a problem, so hats off to Subaru for doing the right thing. Also loving all the Subaru content keep up the great work!
Seconded
What about the pamphlet about the oil consumption? 😄
They don't admit poor quality of seat... my Outback 2017 with 127km already have a rip in the driver seat. THEM, I have BOTH front door RUST ISSUE where the rust bubbles in the pillar (beside window) witch can't be repaired since welding would basically warp the doors. Those issues are "common" and well know in the Subaru community but Subaru Canada does nothing.
If this was ford they would release a TSB wait till warranty was up and then try and sell an 8k motor job to the customers because you can’t repair the motor.. because ecoboost.. that is all
Which is why they had to be hit with a lawsuit over their ej pistons, or why they think it’s within normal range to burn up to a quart of oil every 1200 miles on a brand new car. Or why they say their stock tunes are the best but have been proven to run dangerously lean and knock prone on turbo models just to meet emissions requirements.
As an Alaskan that has owned 4 Subarus (90 Legacy wagon, 99 outback, 07 CRV, 2017 Legacy, 2022 Outback) I've been through rust issues, a broken/rusted front coil spring and blown head gaskets on the first two. The 2017 we traded in for the 2022 because the battery was always dying if it wasn't driven in 3 days. Was bummed out on last month we parked the 2022 at the airport for two weeks and the battery was dead when we got back. The dealer response is we can sell you a trickle charger. We where hoping Subaru had fixed battery drain problem. Apparently not, we keep a battery pack in the car at all times now. Still have the CRV.
Pull the fuel pump fuse when parking for more than 3 days.
Sad thing about CVT land, they keep beating a dead horse. With modern 9 and 10 speed automatics there is no real gain anymore to a CVT like when 5 and 6 speed autos were the mainstream. They need to axe them and move on. In a traction issue the non cvt will be much better as it doesnt have those heat issues.
I would prefer to see a quality gasket at these oil leak locations. A nice steel core rubber gasket is always best for oil pans, timing covers and valve covers that see constant oil splash
I just got one and it’s weeping. I’m pissed I payed another $40k for an engine that is glue together.
@@RavenHiker89 All engines have hairline cracks where the blocks fit together that require RTV to seal properly. They just weren't using enough from the factory. All engines have been made this way for decades. Had this fixed on my Outback XT this year. Never saw any actual leakage, but the dealership said it needed to be fixed.
This is a huge concern for me. Having a recall of this magnitude would really suck. I am a hardcore DIY and certified mechanic, and the beauty of a new car (to me) is no one else has yet worked on it and everything is pristine. I buy a Subaru because I plan to work on it myself. I want to be the one to screw it up not someone else. Saying, "don't worry its under warranty" doesn't acknowledge the fact that I have to put up with an unknown person of unknown skill doing warranty work on the new car which I had hoped would be pristine when it came time for me to service it. Who knows what he or she may bugger up or not put back into original locations. I sure hope Subaru gets their quality control issues back in order.
@@alexnelson8Don’t worry, the Subaru cult will tell you it’s under warranty. Like no shit, it better be covered.
The car should have minimal issues brand new.
@@BorderTurretslol. Tell that to Chevy, Ford & Dodge. Recalls everywhere
@@danielfair4675 I understand they have recalls in the millions and they dont get an excuse neither. What annoys me is Subaru owners swearing up and down about their reliability while in the same sentence saying "But I had x,y and z replaced under warranty". Like wtf is that lol
@@BorderTurretswell what matters is what it costs you. Honda denies all warranty stuff while Subaru not only takes care of things but extends warranty in some cases. So if a car has an issue, if the company stands behind it, it's better than the company viewing your suffering as gravy for their dealers.
@@jamesmedina2062 I disagree. I dont want an engine block resealed because they use RTV silicone to glue the block shut, even if its free. I am not even asking for a perfect vehicle.
Im asking for the bare minimum of all critical components working as intended. I dont mind a sensor, electric module, or something small. But some of the crap we are seeing is clown world. And then subaru cultists point to dodge as if dodge sells themselves on reliability and long term ownership.
Personally, I have owned Subarus for years and completely trust their attention to detail and customer care. They take care of their customers and recalls, while they can be inconvenient, are really good things that do not cost the consumer anything more than some time. It proves also that Subaru stands up, admits their mistakes and takes care of these mistakes!
Dont know how it is over there but in the uk no one goes to the subaru dealerships as they're really f******s as arrogant as can be with you from mine and plenty others experience. We go to specialists that somehow claim the monies back from subaru as I understand 🤷♂️
I've had two Subarus. Both my 2010 legacy and 2018 Outback had loads of issues and both times I needed Subaru of America to intervene as both dealers sucked.. Once sorted out they were fine.
My experience has been the opposite. I’ve been having infotainment system issues and the dealer said they can’t do anything about it and SOA recommended that I wait a few months and see if they come out with a fix for it. Terrible customer service terrible quality control.
@@eleventy-seven I’m thinking hard about getting a brz. My Tacoma is out of warranty now with 115,000 miles and the will buy it for $28000. I’ve had it for 7 years and only paid$ 31,000
@@andrewharris9302 it's Tacoma if you're worried about it take it to an independent shop have them look over the car see if there's any rust see if there's any problems if there aren't any and you like it it's up to you. If you like the truck still it doesn't matter if it's out of warranty it's a Tacoma. I was a Toyota Tech and the ones people took care of 500,000 miles wasn't an uncommon thing maybe one every other month would come in with over at least 400k. I have never seen a Subaru go over 250 without needing a major engine or transmission overhaul. And we're talking about the very little 1%, that have been someones baby their whole lives.
My only previous knowledge of Subaru as a brand of car was seeing Orange Brats in the 80s (with seats in the bed). I never thought about owning the brand until I was looking for a new car in early 2022. I liked the layout and features of their Crosstrek model, as well as the high safety ratings, and ended up purchasing a new one in March of that year. So far I have been very hasp with it, and have had no issues with it. Only time will tell about the longevity of it... at 55, I am hoping it will be one of the last cars I buy.
Every car company has issues. Some more than others. At the end of the day only Subaru loyalists are going to look past these issues. Owners of other brands will likely stick with the brand they currently own if they learn of Subaru's current transmission and oil leak issues. I owned an 08 Forester until it stb in 2013.The Honda and Toyota vehicles I've owned over the past 40 years have been far less expensive to own long term than the Subaru.
True. There are other companies that have loyalists as well. One is "Just Empty Every Pocket."
For my company I bought three Toyota sienna minivans putting 300k mi on every single one of them, and they are hands down the most trouble-free vehicles I have ever owned in my life. I'm 67, and I've owned 2 Chevys,1 Datsun, 1 Mazda, 2 Hondas, 1Chrysler minivan ,1 Lincoln (which had 235k and was the second most reliable vehicle I ever owned) , 3 Volkswagens and 3 Jeeps.
Thanks for taking the time to talk about these issues. The only issue I've experienced so far on my 2017 Outback Ltd w/the 2.5 is a blown pass side head gasket at 60k miles. The issue was taken care of under the extended warranty I purchased from Subaru. As for supply ,My local dealer has a few cars in stock. With that said a dealer located a 100 miles south of me in the metro Milwaukee Wisc area..has 52 new Outbacks in stock...I guess it just depends on what area of the country you live in.
Woo u got lucky.. As much as some try to say Sue is customer service friendly they would have handed you a bill for a $1000+ to repair something that should not have failed (assuming proper mtce has always been done) untill 2-300k miles if ever...
What may be added to the CVT/sealant issues with newer Subaru vehicles are the issues showing up on the Subaru forums regarding the cracking windshields and faulty/wonky/failing entertainment systems. There appears to be a great deal of grumbling about new vehicles with these problems. Some are reporting replacement windshield cracking fairly quickly after being installed. The entertainment system from reports appears to be erratic in operation and needing several updates from Subaru chasing down issues. I'm pretty happy with my Gen 4 Outbacks and really have no interest in problems straight from the factory similar to Kia/Hyudai/Ford.
Just bought my first Subaru. The Outback Onyx edition. Loving it so far :)
I'm happy with my 2001 Outback Sedan. I do my own wrenching. Mr Subaru CZcams tutorials really help me maintain my Subaru. 😁
I like Subarus quite a lot and currently own 3 of them. I would disagree that the CVT was not an issue in the past. Our 13 Crosstrek with a CVT had the dash light up like a Christmas tree and the codes pointed to the "controller". The car had 53k miles, so it got a new tranny per warranty. At 150k, we got the light up again. The car appeared to drive fine both times. This time, it was on my dime and the solenoid control block needed to be replaced because Subaru doesn't sell separate solenoids, so it was $800 for the part and whatever the mechanic charged. So yes, there certainly have been CVT issues in early transmissions.
I had a 2012 Ouback, CVT started to whine at 135K. I am not opposed to replacing a transmission if it was like the old days and the job costs $3000. When my mechanic said that Subaru CVT's are $9000, I traded it in the next day. I would have liked some help from Subaru for that one... but overall I do like the brand and would buy again.
@@dougstump2520 yeah, the CVT in my 2011 legacy was starting to shudder at 121k so I went ahead and traded up to a 2020
Same. Had my control valve case go bad in the transmission and had to have it replaced. I love the Outback as a vehilce, but sad I got a 2013 which is considered THE most unreliable. I had the tranmsiddion issue, my AC compressor is about to go out, my driver side window is stuck, I've had a ball bearing go out, and when it's cold, I have frequent issues of the engine not wanting to turnover. And when it does, it does so very violently. My next vehicle will still be an Outback, but I hope the next year model is much more reliable.
Get a toyota
@@dougstump2520 I wouldn't give them a chance to screw me again. There are many people that had their car essentially "totaled" by a failed CVT.
I think Subaru needs to get onto it's dealers (including Toyota dealers)to make sure they are following protocol. I had a buddy that almost fell for a dealer charging him out of pocket for an oil pan reseal on his new GR86. I told him not to pay and to call around for a dealer that would honor the warranty and cover it.
Did he bottom out the car and fuck up the pan that way? Literally the only reason I can think of for them to not warranty that
Rtv gasket sealent is the cause. They don't use gaskets anymore. Rtv cheaper and quicker with the factory robots
Call that Dealer out . . . Here and . . . let them respond !
I've had two Subaru dealerships out right lie about service items so I am not surprised.
Thank you for the video. Me and my wife was thinking about getting a new Subaru or even a 2021, but we're going to stay with our Subaru legacy 2011. After watching this video thank you so much.
I do feel maybe in the last decade Subaru's pivot from being a quirky niche market vehicle into a mainstream car brand, that overall quality appears continued to trend downward a bit. Some of it is supply side, and some of it i feel is a result of packing obsoleting technology over solid longterm quality.
As someone who was loyal to GM (a model of quality throughout the 90s and 00s...lol) for a longtime before moving to Honda (who at least locally, wouldn't stand behind anything once I took delivery) and then ultimately to Subaru.. Subaru's easy sales process and overall commitment to seeking resolution to issues has been what keeps me coming back to the brand. That said, I have been very wary of considering a new model Outback with these CVT chain concerns, oil leaks, and the seemingly endless windshield cracking issues. All coming at a significantly higher pricetag. My 15 OB has had minor issues over the last 165k miles but mechanically continues to serve me reliably. So I can hold out another year or 2 for things to really get back on track.
Recently had to adapt a low mile (32k) 2018 fb25 engine into a 2012 Forester that ate a rod at 120k, for some reason the old higher mile used engines were in the $2500-3k range and the 2018 was 600 bucks....the only difference was the design of the crank sensor and tone ring and the tone rings on the cams that have to be swapped out, a couple of crank vent tubes had to be redirected and it ran perfectly, the owner drove it all the way from Cali to Michigan no issue
Much thanks for the info., been looking for a new car and thought about ordering a 2023 Impreza. So never had a Subaru been trying to educate myself on them.
Thanks of the update! Would my 2019 Forester Sport have this issue??
I have a 2020 Forester. There are a lot of great things I love about the car and some that I really don't like. These are the things that have my attention:
1) The AC compressor has a loud washing machine noise it makes at times when the AC isn't on. This has happened since I bought it. I had it replaced due to a service bulletin and it still makes the noise with the new compressor. It is definitely something that Subaru should look into because it is embarrassing on their part. Its very noticeable and so many people have complained about it.
2) One of my Harman Kardon speakers crackles. It will do this from time to time, and volume level plays isn't a factor in the production of this sound. Its the speaker located on the top left of the dash.
3) Noises have appeared in the front passenger side (loose interior parts?) and around the steering wheel. They are very noticeable buzzing/vibrating noises that give off the impression of loose parts and/or something being broken.
4) The engine feels off. Its hard to explain because I'm no mechanic or auto specialist, and my knowledge is elementary at best, but the best way I can describe it is a jerking and braking feeling when it hits certain speeds. This is my first time owning a car with a CVT engine, so I believed my concern to be a product of the fact I just wasn't used to it yet (coming from a 2001 Toyota Tundra its a bit of a shock). I've mentioned it to the multiple dealerships and none of them have given me a reason except for the shifting is programmed into the car to make it feel like the car shifts because a CVT never shifts gears, hence the Continuously Variable Transmission. Can someone tell me if this is correct? I thought CVT engines were meant to be smooth? Also to further complicate the issue, many people on the Subaru Forums have said this issue is because of the following:
"....the OEM filter comes with SUBARU is thick and it causes less air to pass to engine which causes jerking and hesitation during low acceleration from 0-25MPH, especially if humidity is >80% and you're driving around town.
To fix this issue completely you need to do the following things:
1. Drop in a K&N air filter that allows more air to go inside the engine which enhances and smoothes the acceleration by 90%.
2. Replace the transmission fluid with AMSOIL CVT which provides better performance and protection."
I apologize for the essay, but I just wanted to get my experience out there, hoping that I could get some feedback in any way. I love the car overall despite these concerns of mine. Its a good looking vehicle and its served my wife and I very well...I just hope I can get these concerns addressed. I'm taking my car in for the noises in the speaker and dash area, but the AC compressor and engine concerns seem to be out of my control at the moment until I gather more information.
4) not an expert, but it doesnt sound like a transmission issue, more like the engine oil is dropping low, or misfire problem causing the jerking motion
I don’t believe any of it. Troll.
I have the same issue with crackling noise out of top left-hand speaker as well. It's disappointing since they speakers are supposed to be from a high quality brand...
I have a Subaru Outback which I purchased new in 2017. I have not had one single problem with the car. I did receive a notice in the mail a year or so ago saying that because they had been having problems on some vehicles with the CVT transmission that they were going to extend my transmission warranty to 10 years. I think that’s pretty good of them.
My friend has a 2014 Forester that had the excessive oil consumption problem. Subaru rebuilt his engine for free and during the time his car was in the shop they supplied him with a current year Forrester as a loaner car. Again I think they did an excellent job of taking care of the problem and I anticipate I will buy more Subarus in the future.
Great Subaru videos , what do you think of installing a oil drain valve on the sump of a forester 2019 , cheers
2010 Forester. We change oil sooner than recommended. Front bearings replaced. No big deal. No other issues. 24yr old son has 2005 Legacy GT Limited. At 260k 4th piston blew and he rebuilt the engine himself. So many parts are interchangeable between years and models is why he loves the brand.
Came across your channel today and wow, you know your shit! Will be buying my first Subaru Outback today (2024) and hoping I won't have any issues. Wife owned 1983 yellow 4x4 wagon, 2012 Impreza Sport and 2019 Crosstrek. They all had issues. Oil leaking/burning under 100,000 miles. Replacing tranny in 2012 Impreza. I hated the CVT but now in my mid 50's all I want is just a vehicle to get me from point A to B. Will be subscribing to your channel to keep watch of any upcoming issues I should worry about!
My 21 Ascent had the wiring/fire recall. It took them many months to get parts for recall. Car never caught fire, garage never burned down but from announcement to correction was well near a year. Not acceptable. If they have a good reliable product it shouldn't be messed with. That's Ford's problem. The 302 was a great engine. Then they totally ruined it. Each "better idea" hurt their quality. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I have a love-hate relationship with Subarus and have owned many since 1995. It got the point that I just couldn't be confident that the next big repair wasn't just right around the corner. And the "best" local dealer was terrible, luckily there were excellent Subaru specialty shops that knew exactly how get the cars back on the road. But it was still rather expensive to keep them going long-term.
tbh they seems cheap after owning bmw and lexus myself xD
@@leodoingthings1706 BMW and Lexus are on a different playing field.
@@clovisdesousa3366 yeah, subaru and honda are cheapest cars i think they are to maintain. Subaru ir just japanese LADA
Been owning many different old Subaru Imprezas and legacy's from the 1998 to 2006, and all the problems I have had is the previous owners poor maintenance like not changing their oil enough or even using good oil in the first place and not protecting the car from rust and ofcourse just beating the crap out the car. Bought a 1998 wrx and looked into the gear stick thing was slightly bent! Miracle the thing was still working. But the engines internals was so bad it just had to be scraped as it could fail at any moment...
Love Subarus, but alot of owners leaves alot to be desired.
My 06 Forester is still new as far as I am concerned, the 2.5i only has 159k miles. This being my 15th Subaru, and 10 hit well into 300k miles, 1 hit 400k mile and 2 high 200k miles. My 06 outback had the spun bearing at 395k miles. My 03 Forester had 272k miles when the head gasket went bad.
Still have a 79 Brat and 08 Legacy 3.0R Limited, and my daily 06 Forester. My biggest issue is now my badge of ownership always say "My 10th+ Subaru" how will they know it's 15.
I am currently on my 4th Subaru (23 Outback and 20 Ascent). They recalled my Ascent for CVT problem and found no problems. What is nice is they always gave me a loaner. My son is on his 3rd Subaru and has had no problems. My daughter is getting a new Subaru Crosstrek tomorrow because of our family's Subaru experience.
Does this apply to the 2022 crosstrek limited? On the door label it says that it was manufactured 12/2021. Thanks. Great videos.
Thanks for the update.
The info is great - thanks. This will be much easier to listen to if things are not repeated so much, and the video will probably be about half the time.
Great information, thanks for sharing! I do however ask, for future reviews, that you include the cars associated with all those engine code/designs. Thank you.
I have had four in the past 9 years and currently have two; a 2018 Outback Limited and 2019 Ascent Touring. The only lingering issues with the Outback is a leaking rear hatch (NOT around the 3rd brake light) and are about to roll 102K miles. On the other hand, the laundry list of issues with the Ascent is growing, and creaks and rattles from just about every area of the vehicle, including but not limited to the headliner held on with velcro, intercooler seal, something under the passenger side rear captain’s chair, both front seal cooling fans squealing, moon roof weather strip, moon roof power slides and three recalls. These include two for the aforementioned CVT chain tension, the guide and fuel pump impeller. We have just rolled 50K miles and will probably not be returning to Subaru for another one.
God I hope not!
I think you really need to buy the models made in Japan.
My 2006 Legacy Wagon had quite a second life at the shop. Head gaskets at about 100K. Dealer replaced. Leaked about two miles/months after their warranty expired. I liked the car enough to do head gaskets again (slow learner?) Independent shop replaced the OEM with what they said are better. It ran great for over 80K at which time I sold it and bought a 2018 Outback. Second owner. Nice car. Just changed CVT fluid and independent shop which I hope will not void any warranty which I paid for at the dealer. I’m wondering after listening to you on this episode if I should contact the dealer on the recall/evaluation of CVT? I’ve not received any notices which may be due to my not being the original owner. By the way, you said head gasket problems were past tense. My daughter has a 2013 legacy. Head gaskets blew at 112K. Big bucks. The same independent shop told me all Subs have the gasket problem and Sub won’t admit it. Many opinions and varied statements on QC. All makes seem to be cutting the same corners. No matter what you buy, enter at your own risk?? My best car in over fifty years is a 2002 Lexus IS 300. Going strong at 200K.
Subaru tech here ive done several of the chain slip recalls, ive noticed on the higher mileage cars there is chain slip and requires transmission replacement.
Wow, thanks for bringing this my attention. I’m looking at purchasing my second Subi in 2023. I was looking at the Outback Onyx 2.5 engine, not the turbo. Would I need to be concerned?
I’m just glad they’re willing to fix their mistakes without much of a fuss on my end. Even for things I didn’t see as a problem or things that they weren’t even forced to recall. Their always trying to do the right thing. I still love this brand.
Thank you for the video. I have 2020 Legacy and this issue was completed at the dealership with no problems. One thing I wanted to take your opinion on, and that's I love my 2020 Legacy but there's one thing that annoyed me and that's the front seats. It's so hard and uncomfortable. Do you have any advice on that? The car is wonderful, 260 hp and it's safe soled vehicle. I wish the seats were more comfortable.
When they do the work on the CVT, do they change the CVT fluid? If not I’d probably ask them to do it if mileage was high enough.
Thanks for the information.
The lot at Peoria Suburu in Arizona is full and getting orders in about 8 to 10 weeks.
I’m considering ordering a 2023 Forrester base model. I’m not familiar with the engine classifications for this model. Do any of the issues that you mentioned apply to this vehicle? Please advise and thanks for your videos.
Im in Australia and have a BT 2022 Outback with the FB25 engine. Do you know if these issues are unique to the Lafayette factory in the US or have there been reports of similar issues with engines coming out of the Gunma Japan plant where all the Australian bound Subaru's are manufactured?
I got my 2022 Subaru Ascent Onyx Edition last year in May and now we have a recall for a possible fires while engine idle.. wow!!
Yes Subaru has had some quality control issues lately...my 2019 crosstrek back up camera no longer works.. it started blinking and having lines and then it just stopped working also there's two recalls that I need to take it in for an ignition coil issue and one for some type of suspension part coming loose with the back suspension.. the car is just a few months out of warranty for the camera so I hope Subaru will help us with that as it really bugs my wife that it doesn't work now after just 3 years and a few months of ownership 😑
i think they should fix the rtv application issue if they do truly care about customer loyalty! they need to do alot more r&d before releasing new models to the public! their recall under warranty fixes are still a big hassle & frustrating & time consuming for customers regardless of it being covered financially under warranty. it still costs the new car owners money & time...
Maybe you can help. I have a 2016 impreza. I need to replace the passenger side low beam bulb H11. I looked at many videos seems very straight forward. But not mine. Mine dosen't have the 2 black pastic clips/screws that you just pull up and then remove the air box intake. No. Mine has 2 metal screws with a nut at the other end that you can't get to. Do you have any ideas on how to move the intake pieace to get to the bulb? Thanks.
I bought a new Impreza 2.5RS in 2003, and soon noticed a bunch of loose 10mm bolts. And sure enough, there was a recall to tighten them up (which I had done to some of them, but not to spec). After getting over that, I then learned about the head gasket problem. So, early on I wasn't so sure about Subaru quality. I mean, if they couldn't even get all the bolts tightened, what else did they miss? But, I went on the drive that car for 19 years without any major problems. So I'm not too worried about quality issues with my new Crosstrek.
They need correct torque and possible loctite or safety wire.
Things not being installed correctly happens to all manufacturers occasionally. It’s the nature of mass production.
They need to quit hiring temp no offense to temp but you need ppl with some type of experience.I found out too Subaru is made here in the USA too.
The music at the end of this 🎸❤🔥
So my 2015 OB w/ the TR690 was built correctly then? But is there still a TCM update that I should get?
I truly love my CVT. 2021 forester limited ... just got a 2023.
I’ve read my manuals on our two new (22 Forester and 23 Outback XT) regarding breaking them in. Both say don’t exceed 4000 rpms which I haven’t and both say during first 1000 miles drive at varying speeds. We plan to take the Outback on a 400 one way trip next week. It has 425 miles on it now. Your thoughts about cruise control on interstate at 70 mph Mr Subaru????
I have a question . I have a 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness. today i started my outback , drove one block. then the center screen went black. also in between the speeddamider and rpm went black. the center console out for about 30 seconds. the other was about the same. but it took 30 min for the tire pressure to show up. have you heard of this happening ?
I live in Colorado where there are 3 Subarus per every resident. I'm a Honda guy but I had a 2000 Outback, my one and only Subaru. It developed a burnt exhaust valve at around 135k and I got rid of it. I look at used cars online all the time just for fun and I'm not joking, 60% of Subarus for sale say something along the lines of "only 80k on new engine" or "engine recently rebuilt." I'd only ever own another one if it were brand new and I only planned to keep it for a couple years.
Just glad that we don't have the Starlink Hardware in the Aussie Version because of the issues that come up with the hardware for the Starlink that has plagued the US vehicles. Our new Turbo XT Touring (Aussie version) in late Jan/Early Feb cannot wait
Wife's 2020 Outback XT Limited had the recall done ... no slip when it was checked out ... i heard about the problem but just always remind her not to backup and then slam it into gear and hit the gas too fast as always one to be careful ... honestly I have had more annoyances from the trim rattle if the clips holding the interior in the Front Pillar come loose you will get a noticeable rattle above 40 MPH once you notice it you'll see it as always there ... just like the sunroof wind noise which the flap hides if you don't leverage your sunroof 'I do often but my Mrs doesn't and prefers the sun not to come in on her' ... everyone has their preferences ... overall still plenty happy with Subaru as all new cars these days with all this tech have more problems 'shocker' ... my only beef is the infotainment now being a central console for everything in the car over the old individual pieces which can offer its own share of annoyances if you are one who hates smudges on that thing!
Wouldn't you think it would be better to just make the gaskets out of material than out of a tube? Can't be that much of a savings.
What do you think about the outback xts and all of the electric problems and battery draws
Interesting video. My first new car was a 1987 GL10 wagon. That car had cooling, head gasket, and engine banging issues after only 3 years. Subaru refused to help, so I finally found an independent repair person to improve operation. We gave up on the car at 7 years and switched to Toyotas. Subaru lost a customer for life.
Hi, I bought my first Subaru in 1992, it was used 1976 GL10 turbo wagon with over 200k km on it. I had it for another 3 years without any major problems except left head gasket replaced. I loved that car, it has full eccentric/ electronic(?) dashboard, all electric windows, sunroof, intermittent wipers etc.
Eventually I had to part with it due to rust going through the floor.
The uk customer service is shocking. I had to write to subaru europe corporate when I found out my lower control arms hadn't been done under recall after the thing planted me through a tree and into a ditch. Basically said I was a liar and told me to go away constantly so took it to an independent along with my insurance (who was brilliant I might add) who verified they hadnt been done and was unsafe for road use, still got told to go away until I went to corporate with our findings, got a lump sum a month later along with the control arms and they extended the recall from just checking the parts to replacing them completely as my friends Impreza had the same recall that had been 'checked' but he got a letter to take his in for replacement
dealers for some makes run rampant doing whatever they feel like. Its a shame and it does matter.
Im a subaru mechanic from sweden, no problem with engine or trans..service is the key as you say..
As a Volvo tech in 18 years. And allround in ten years…Subaru now in seven years..the most reliible is the subbie..my family got a subie.I have a Legacy 3.0r..
sadly Saab and Volvo are no longer options right?
What do you know about cracked windshields and bad batteries in Subarus that I've heard about recently? I'm thinking of buying an Outback Touring XT. Thanks.
What's the TSB # for the RTV issue on 2022 BRZs please???
I understand what you’re saying about the quality issues. My question is why would Subaru use , what is essentially caulking instead of a real gasket?!?🤨
Because RTV is actually better than a gasket in a lot of applications
Not so, it's about cost
@@pirihern9329 You're right, it ALWAYS comes down to money. Unfortunately.
Cheaper. Also, CVT is cheaper so they use it.. all about saving cost
Cheaper. All about the $$$$$
What about the new 2023 ascent Touring, I purchased new a week ago and before i took full ownership the dash lights kept coming on the going off. Come to find out it was because of a faulty fuel flowmeter sending false signals to the computer. they are replacing it now. are any of these Ascents having issues with the huge sun/moon rood leaking???
I just got my Forester inspected at my dealership which is a branch of the largest multibrand dealership in SW PA. They had one car in the showroom and very few cars in the lot. I was shocked to see this.
I bought a new 2021 subaru outback limited when it rains water enters the passenger side door on the floor . Quality control is a major problem with subaru. The problem was resolved after 3 attempts.
I agree with you subaru does take care of their customers. I am liking the new 2024 subaru impreza rs
is the cvt problem specific to subaru of america since they use other chains in the cvts tr580 an 690 than cars made in japan which use luk chains as far as i know.
regards
Four years with my Forester, just oil changes, just changed the battery and replaced the tires today. Purrs like a kitten and smooth driving.
My 2021 Legacy Touring XT was discovered to have an oil pan leak at the first oil change last summer. Fortunately it was the lower pan so the entire engine didn't have to be pulled, but due to the parts shortage it took two weeks to get the gasket kit and have it repaired. Thankfully they gave me a loaner. Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in my purchase. Plus while it was in there I had them check the weak AC (operating within specifications according to the tech) and uneven power delivery at times (surging+hesitating+hard fake shifts). Also told nothing was wrong. Even before all this I've had it in twice chasing loud rattles in the dash and around the Eyesight cameras that cropped up at 1,000 miles. Its my first Subaru and it will definitely be my last. My cheap 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer I bought new never had a single repair and even after ten years didn't have as many rattles as this new Legacy. SMH.
I have a 2023 Outback Limited XT (same engine) and I can’t believe my gas mileage is so bad. It gets 14 mpg city whereas the sticker says it should get 22 mpg. I feel there must be something wrong with it but the dealer just says if the Check Engine lamp is not on its ok.
@@stephenpowstinger733 My MPG does thing fairly wide swings. I'll be driving the same way over the same roads and it will varying up to five MGP.
I have had so many friends and co-workers with subi problems. Mostly head gaskets, clutches, tranny failure's. Dealers have treated them like crap and most of them have moved to different makes after repeat issues that come back after repair. Subi dealers and techs seem to be bad in our area and they seem to not care.
same...
1st and last Subaru basura
Yes, they do not treat customers well. Unlike what this guy says. If they did, they will not have those lawsuits
Same here. 1st and last 2006 subaru sti. Too many problems
what area is that?
So question I didn't notice that my last oil change I was a half a quart low but I didn't see any leakage does the fb25d burn a little bit of oil between oil changes and the oil change was 10,000 miles
A lot of our shortages at the Chevy dealership I work at. Is having some ship shortages which we are slowly getting the modules in. And getting vehicles that were made a year ago.
i will like to buy a 2019-2021 sti but scared of ringland failure. how can i avoid this?...planning to keep engine stock..maybe just intake and catback.
The WRK-21 recall only applies to 2019-20 Ascent and 2020-21 Turbo Outback and Turbo Legacy. NOT ALL models.
I was going to comment this. The TSB referenced that covers all models is just to help technicians diagnose CVT issues and avoid unnecessary CVT replacements. My mom's 2020 Ascent passed the recall inspection and just got the TCM updated.
gotta say this all kinda started with the FA/FB engine platform. EJ platform was well established (but is had its growing pains--ala HG issues). I think quality control is being addressed as identified and they are loyal to their customer base. That customer base is geared to geographical regions of the country where weather/traction are challenges and therefore its in their interest to address and keep customer loyalty going. Overall would purchase again as we have been a Subie fam since 2003 with one FB (2016 Legacy) and the remainder in the EJ platform. They will overcome and put their best efforts forward in fixing the shortcoming --issues identified.
What about faulty engine valve springs and power steering recalls?
My 2014 Crosstrek had a Trans blow up at 63,000 miles. Replaced with Reman unit under extended mileage warranty.
Personally I blame the previous owner. I bought it used with 58,000 miles and the vehicle was a rental at some point in its life before I owned it.
However, my next Subie will be a stick, if I can find one.
My 2016 WRX FA20 was full of RTV. My oil pickup was half clogged. I pretty sure It caused my timing belt tensioner to go bad and I also appear to have a slight rod knock 😑 Wish I was still under warranty.
I'm very happy with my 21 Crosstrek. So far so good! Also have a very good dealer. I get a warm and fuzzy feeling every time I take it in for scheduled service.
And the windshields aren't covered in the warranty according to my friend who just purchased a 2023 Forester Sport. You can do the research and see for yourself. I love Subaru and wanted a new one so bad but all you mentioned and the windshields scared me . I had a bad feeling after I saw my friends Forester and checked for myself.
First time Subaru owner, 23 Ascent Touring. Haven’t had it long but I do recall some years back when Subaru was known fir having head gasket issues and gave customers with affected models extended warranty and that is what drew me to them
Buying the 7 year 100k mile warranty is the way to go. The Subaru ascent onyx is probably the best edition. I drove one for a month while they repaired my console in my 23 Impreza. Im on my second screen console and it's having problems. The touch screen in the ascent is much better.
My sister has had 3 Subaru Outbacks, however she is now looking at new Honda’s and Toyota’s, based on her last experience, our parents and myself have always had Honda/ Acura products without any issues, my sister has always loved her Subaru AWD wagons, after a few troubles with the last one, she is looking to buy a Honda or Toyota, so I think the problems have been resolved in a wonderful way with subaru, it kind of stays in one’s mind when considering the next vehicle purchase
And what about recall the recalls when too much rtv silicone is used for the valve spring recall?
So even though ascent was the same from 19 - 22, this cvt issue does not apply to those 22 models?
How long do you think the FA engine will last with care and a 50% power upgrade?
The subaru RA and S209 still have the Open deck EJ blocks .... should I buy an RA? With care will it last?
used to be a subaru person for 2005 and 2013 model. over time i grew to not trust my subaru service departments for any major services. rather than fixing a transmission issue on a 2013 with 122k miles, i simply donated the car. the RTV silicone issue is a big concern. is there an option to have Subaru replace key parts of the engine with gaskets instead? seems like a logical next step if human or robot error is possible
2017 forester 2.0XT 90,000 mi. hill ascent/check engine light just came on. seems as though many are having this problem, although the fix isnt clear. do you recognize this problem?
Just purchased a new 2024 outback XT. Are these issues resolved or still a problem?
My 22 Outback Wilderness has already had the oil pan resealed and a leaking oil pressure sender replaced. Right around 30,000 miles.
My wife's 2014 Impreza with 70k miles just got a transmission under warranty but its also consuming oil like crazy. Subaru earned its reputation. I also have a 2016 impeza manual.
Get rid of it. I had the same issue and it’s the beginning of head gasket issues.
I bought a new Impreza in 2020 right before Covid, and it burned oil like crazy (but not enough for a new engine). Sold it last year at almost no loss and got a GTI which hasn’t burnt a single drop in the 15k miles I’ve put on it.
*subaru oil consumption* posted by MrSubaru1387 on YT
burned like crazy is defined as how much?
@@jamesmedina2062 about a quart every 2-3k miles
My new 2011 Outback had a CVT problem @114k miles, Subaru replaced the CVT valve body at no cost to me. They also paid for 50% of my cost to replace 2 rear wheel bearings which were out of warranty. I am trading that Outback @159k for a 2023 Forester that I just ordered. Subaru of America does stand behind their products!
But why? Why not make it right the first time. What’s crazy is the CVT fiasco is so easily fixable.
Just let it be serviceable with flushes and filter changes. The sealed unit crap should be a felony at this point.
I have a 2020 Outback and 2021 Legacy. Both purchsed new. Both non-turbo. Are notices being sent only to affected vehicle owners? Never received any recall notices.
Hello God bless you, I would love for you to take a look at my subaru forester 05, since I changed the engine for a Japanese version EJ20, and it has a fault code in cylinder 4. I already changed the spark plugs, the cables, the injectors, the fuel pump and the filter, and even if it has a fault. The fault consists in the fact that when accelerating it gives a small fault like a spark plug and then it accelerates normally and this only does it when starting the march
Is 2022 wrx have this silicone issue ? Im hearing from you that this issue is on happening for the GR86 and BRZ????
The quality control issues scare me. If someone paid like $30,000 on a new car and have quality control issues. That’s really no excuse. That’s why I like used vehicles that sometimes generally have issues fixed long time ago. I never owned a Subaru in my life. Altho I like them. I currently own a Toyota.
We just got the VIN for our 2023 BRZ and waiting impatiently for it to arrive. This will be our first official Subaru, besides the EJ25 I put in an old Bug :) Just hope we do not see the silicon issue.
I work in engine at the Lafayette plant and the rtv has always been applied by robots. The rtv has been almost completely replaced with 2 part sealer now besides the fuel pump case and the valve covers.
what is a 2 part sealer?
What is the TBS bulletin for issue # 3 as I have a new FB25D
Thanks for the information. I'm in the market for either a new Outback or Toyota Crown. Crowns are hard to come by so we were seriously considering the Outback. After this video, I'll wait for the Crown which I estimate will cost about $10,000 more.😂