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@@animationfan957 shut up your mouth if you don't have something smart to say you idiot He was catholic long time but changed his religion that's reason why his friendship with tolkien became colder
@@marcusappelberg369 that’s ok neither was Lewis his friend Tolkien however was catholic and he’s responsible for Lewis returning to his childhood faith ( church of Ireland ) - this is part of what’s known as the Anglican communion and takes in Church of Scotland and of wales and England and also the Episcopalian church in the USA
I have been intrigued by C.S. Lewis for years and I finally read Mere Christianity about 9 months ago. Just yesterday I bought 2 more copies for family members...he has indeed changed my life. His writings have stayed with me. I've been reading pieces of the book to my children. They are under 10 years and love it! They call it the "mind-blowing book". Excellent commentary as always Bishop.
You might like a podcast I'm doing with my friend Matt called "The Eagle and Child" where each episode we're discussing a chapter of "Mere Christianity". You should be able to find it on iTunes, Google Play and Podbean.
I am a catholic and eventhough i was not practicing my religion faith for a long time, i have returned home. I am so happy. I have forgotten how much i enjoy the love and company of Jesus and Virgin Mary and Padre Pio who i feel was my guide back to my faith. I don't feel alone.. i only have a high school education and vocational school. But i very much enjoy listening to you father and wish my oldest son would listen to you. You see, he is a non believer. A good son and kind person who knows it all.. 🙂 He asked me once why do i believe in God and i told i just do. Many things has happened in my life and i always felt he was there with me eventhough i was not true to him and practicing my faith. I grew up in a nun's school so i told him that i always felt his love and protection. I told my son to believe is to see... he got upset with me because i didnt make sense. I guess he wants fisical proof and my God is more than that. I just told him i refuse to argue with him. I told him i will keep praying for him and that i knew one day he will find himself on his praying to God. I enjoy very much listening to you. God Bless. Pls pray for my family so we all can find our way to serve our Lord.
As a Christian who was in part pulled into the faith by cross-referencing my love for the Lord of the Rings narrative with the Biblical story, Father Barron's mention of 'surreptitious evangelisation' here is so beautiful. Praise the Lord for the ways he works in the world!
kennedy had no impact on my life , c.s. lewis changed it, he is one of my mentors, i would not be a follower of christ without his help, thank you lord for making c.s , i look forward to meeting him one day.
Britt McLean CS Lewis had an impact but Kennedy did too to downplay JFK impact is disrespectful. Anything bad about the Kennedy brothers usually written by their enemies . The Kennedys for all their faults were strong Catholics
I like the "rats in the cellar" analogy in C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity's Let's Pretend chapter. "...surely what a man does when he is taken off his guard is the best evidence for what sort of a man he is? Surely what pops out before the man has time to put on a disguise is the truth? If there are rats in a cellar you are most likely to see them if you go in very suddenly..."
Very good point. Rats in the cellar. What an insightful analogy by CS Lewis. I just discovered Mere Christianity recently and this is one of the more powerful analogies to me. Thanks.
Father Barron, I love the line "evangelization of the imagination." And your description of how Lewis' and Tolkien's stories worked out in a pub in Oxford have become the world's most popular movies of our time send an electric thrill through my heart. Praise the Lord! God bless you and your work, Father.
Actually I think Lewis's greatest work is _A Grief Observed,_ his meditation on the premature death of his wife. When I was bereaved it was more consoling than any other written work in existence, including the Gospels.
Well yes they did critique each other’s work during inkling meetings . And Tolkien is actually responsible for Lewis’s return to Christ and the Christian imagery and references in both their works are evidence of their faith .
I'm nearly 7 years late in viewing this video, but it has helped me to understand something I've been dealing with. Sort of the very definition of "better late than never."
Wonderful! I'm reading Thos. Martin's "Reading the Classics with C.S. Lewis" and am awestruck by Lewis' breadth of expertise - he had most of Dante memorised, and was the authority in Mediaeval and Renaissance literature. He read (and re-read over and over), almost everything from the Ancients to the Victorians. It's hard to comprehend his level of genius. It's Kennedy 24/7 in the media today, and nary a word about Lewis, who will have a far greater eternal impact for the good.
Jonathan Quist History yes, but literature, not even close. Dawson has come under thoughtful criticism re.some of his interpretive narrative and sweeping generalizations. It's his style; he's certainly one of my favourite historians.
President Kennedy is probably more significant re world political history, but CS Lewis is a major character in popular culture, although not so much as Tolkien. The Tolkien movies have had a huge impact, the Narnia movies not so much. The movie _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_ was good, but the next 2 films were badly made
C.S Lewis’s mere christianity is the ultimate book for a new christian, it certainly helped me and enlightened me so much! God bless you bishop barron ❤️
Father Barron is often delightful to hear from - the importance, as he says, of the narrative above the argument is probably something he himself as well as Lewis understands very well.
C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien inspired me to study English literature in my youth. I earned my Master's Degree from Middlebury College, with summer studies at Lincoln College, Oxford. I even met Tolkien's biographer, Humphrey Carpenter, when I was there. I think Oxford is my favorite place on earth.
The story of Yeshua is indeed the greatest of stories. Many apologists such as C.S. Lewis changed my viewpoint through their writings several times. Thank you for this video. I have subscribed to see what else you have to say.
That’s not my name - Lewis was as well he was church of Ireland the main Protestant faith in Ireland this is part of the Anglican communion along with Church of England , Church of Scotland and church of wales .
@@michelleflood7225 The Church of Scotland is not Anglican. It is Presbyterian in government and (now rather diluted) Calvinist in theology. Anglicanism in Scotland is represented by the Episcopal Church of Scotland, a separate denomination.
I dearly love C. S. Lewis so much. And I wish I was the scholar to fully appreciate him. But I am so terribly grateful for his life and work. And thank you so much for this commentary.
tolkien and cs lewis were both profoundly influenced by and admired a writer named george macdonald , if you are unfamiliar with him i encourage you to track him down and read some of his books
@@jammerbammer1 Lewis wrote a work that extracted three hundred and fifty of MacDonald's writings, named "George MacDonald: An Anthology 365 Readings". It is available in paperback at Amazon. I've read some of MacDonald's fantisies, and I strongly recommend starting with Lewis' anthology. The preface is superb.
Excellent commentary Fr. Barron. I remember reading the book Between Heaven and Hell by Peter Kreeft where Lewis had a debate with President Kennedy and Aldous Huxley, who also died on the same day, in purgatory. Really helped me renew my faith.
Nice! And if I could encourage... If you haven't read anymore Peter Kreeft books since then, please consider it. He's renewed my faith time and time again with his work. He, like Fr. Barron, has been a huge blessing for both my intellectual and spiritual life.
I'm always surprised when The Great Divorce is not mentioned. That book was a gateway for me into Dante, Blake, Milton, and all manner of theological ideas both medieval and modern.
Me too. BB is now one of my favorites. God bless him with a long and fruitful ministry. I would love to take a road trip and meet him. He has blessed my sister and her husband as well.
I have come to love C S Lewis too. He has a way of instructing his readers that appeals to so many people. I reread his work on a regular basis and suggest it to my friends.
I was struck in my youth by a passage he wrote of acceptance of good people of any faith, and when facing God in death and how people, regardless of their religion, could be accepted by God. It made a huge impression on me that a Catholic was accepting of others. I was raised in many cultures and a Catholic, and that passage always felt right to me
J.R.R Tolkien, a Catholic colleague of Lewis, took issue with a lot of what C.S Lewis did, including his famous Screwtape Letters. As Tolkien saw it, no man should think too much about the fallen angels, let alone the strategies employed by them. Ironically, Lewis dedicated the book to Tolkien (which disturbed Tolkien a great deal). To Tolkien, the reality of the things above and below were so potent to him, likely through his ability of imagination, that talking about such things was a very precious and specific ordeal reserved for the personal modes of thought alone, hence his creation of terms to describe what he was talking about (like 'enemy' for the devil). Tolkien strongly disliked the combination of familiarity and directness, which he equated eventually to contempt, in either story and conversation, especially when about the fallen creatures that pose such a threat to fallen man.
Mere Christianity and Pilgrim's Regress were instrumental in a personal conversion to Christianity. Mired in a secular agnosticism/scepticism, I found the reasoning in Mere Christianity persuasive - perhaps Christianity was not as irrational or "illogical" as I had imagined. Pilgrim's Regress was a bit more difficult read, but it gave me a 'fly on the wall' look at a first hand account of, as Father describes, his difficult, halting personal conversion, and, I suppose, let me know, that that was all right.
I'd love to get your feedback on my podcast "The Eagle and Child" where we're going through "Mere Christianity" chapter by chapter. It's available on iTunes, Google Play and Podbean.
Yes, C.S. Lewis was not a Catholic, but Lewis converted to Christianity largely through debates with Tolkien, so Lewis' theology is largely influenced by Tolkien's catholicism. Lewis' most Catholic book is I believe, Perelandra where he shows the story of the Adam and Eve of an alien planet. Incidentallythe main character of that one is based on Tolkien
Rodney Burton Incidentally Lewis's biographer thought he would have converted to Roman Catholicism had he lived to see the present wateriness of the Church of England.
MagnificentFiend Highly advanced Marian theology in Perelandra, but Jack didn't seem to realize it (though he did dedicate the book to a convent of nuns; "To Some Ladies at Watage"). Perelandra chapter 17: "Oh, my Father and my Mother, my Lord and my Lady [The 'New Adam' and 'New Eve'], do not move, do not answer me yet. My own father and mother I have never seen. Take me for your son. We have been alone in my world for a great time." Here is where the Catholic looks up from the book and smiles.
Yes, he obviously had Catholic influences, but he remained a staunch Anglican all his life. I don't think C.S. Lewis is the kind of man who would've been sitting on the fence concerning Catholicism, especially considering his friendships.
He already knew the wateriness of the Anglican Church in his day. If you're interested, read his lecture "Fern Seed and Elephants". Here's an excerpt: "A theology which denies the historicity of nearly everything in the Gospels to which Christian life and affections and thought have been fastened for nearly two millennia - which either denies the miraculous altogether or, more strangely, after swallowing the camel of the Resurrection strains at such gnats as the feeding of the multitudes - if offered to the uneducated man can produce only one or other of two effects. It will make him a Roman Catholic or an atheist.What you offer him he will not recognize as Christianity. If he holds to what he calls Christianity he will leave a Church in which it is no longer taught and look for one where it is. If he agrees with your version he will no longer call himself a Christian and no longer come to church. In his crude, coarse way, he would respect you much more if you did the same." And another: "Once the layman was anxious to hide the fact that he believed so much less than the vicar; now he tends to hide the fact that he believes so much more. Missionary to the priests of one's own church is an embarrassing role; though I have a horrid feeling that if such mission work is not soon undertaken the future history of the Church of England is likely to be short." However, he also wrote an essay entitled, “Christian Reunion: An Anglican Speaks to Roman Catholics,”: "the real reason why I cannot be in communion with you is not my disagreement with this or that Roman doctrine, but that to accept your Church means, not to accept a given body of doctrine, but to accept in advance any doctrine your Church hereafter produces. It is like being asked to agree not only to what a man has said but to what he’s going to say…To us the terrible thing about Rome is the recklessness (as we hold) with which she has added to the depositum fidei [deposit of faith]…the proliferation of credenda [what must be believed]."
Excellent critique by a Roman Catholic speaking to a Christian of the Presbyterian Faith . Thank you. In man the search that was fulfilled in the Soul of Lewis was that the reasoning mind had to come to terms with the Faith we long for in our Souls. He and his Inking Club nailed that factor & it is the reason why new Souls are seeking Aslan on a grander scale. .
I just finished teaching my 8th graders about Lewis' "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" (trilemma) argument and then found this video in my e-mail inbox. How awesome! Thanks for such wonderful commentary and for evangelizing all of us with The Story as well, Fr. Barron!
Annihilationism scares and terrifies me even more than eternal torment does. I don't want to die forever. I want to live forever wherever I end up. I hope that universal reconciliation will turn out to be true.
Aldous Huxley also died on the same day as the two 'Jacks'. Peter Kreeft has an excellent book of them engaging in philosophical dispute in a, sort-of, purgatorial next world!
I live in Oxford England and the Eagle and child pub where the inklings met is still there unchanged. In fact they do good Pub grub!! ( good food) love CS Lewis generations of children have read the Narnia books. 🇬🇧🙋🙏♥️
I think Sam from LOTR is also a jesus representative. When Frodo felt alone, was hurting, or needed saving... Sam was with him every step of the way, and even carried Him. I argue the reader is more Frodo, and that Sam is more in line with that of Christ.
So true about arguing! Protestants love to argue with Catholics and atheists. But their answers are very simple, read the Bible. They think that reading the Bible will solve everything. If they only knew. If I tell them there would be no Jesus without the goodness of Mary, they ignore me and move forward.
The greatest story ever told that hardly ever told, God Talking about a concept so cold, it's the reason we stay bold and it's how God breathed into man and he became a living soul.
Father. I apologise to send you this extra comment, however it is worth mentioning I am now studying theology as an A-Level. I am learning about 'New Testament Criticism' (which includes things like the 'Synoptic Problem') and 'Religion and the Media' (focusing on how religion uses fiction and art). While I personally choose to research the philosophy of religion in my own time, so forgive me if I lack some knowledge regarding the philosophy of religion. As you may know, I have read all of the 'New Atheist' (Dawkins et Al). This summer I plan to read 'A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years' by Diarmaid MacDulloch to broaden my knowledge regarding the history of Christianity. This book was reviewed positively by Rowan Williams (Ex Arch-Bishop of Canterbury)
I think now that Robert Barron comes across as quite unassuming that it is easy to underestimate his value. His value to the Catholic Church and Christianity in general.
To honor Brother Lewis "reactionary-revisionst" historical viewpoint Cambridge created a special position just for Lewis: Chair of Medieval and renaissance Literature.
I don't agree with all of your views, Father, but I do like some of them and more important, I'm learning more things about God and that's ALWAYS something good. I saw your video on "The Tree Of Life" and was glad to see that you and I thought similarly about what it was about. Did you cry at the end, during the scene on the beach where Sean Penn's character finds forgiveness? I thought I would die from crying so much! Anyway, bless you and I will listen to more of your videos. Thank you.
Fr. Barron, have you by chance read Tolkien's "The Silmarillion" and Lewis' Space Trilogy? The Silmarillion is the much larger story of Middle-Earth (and more than Middle Earth) from prior to creation through the time of "The Lord of the Rings". It makes many of the comparisons between the characters in the story and their biblical counterparts clearer, and might make you change your mind on who is who in the Lord of the Rings. The Space Trilogy is rumored to be a sort of counterpart to the Silmarillion, that explores vast amounts of space set at the time of Lewis and Tolkien. Both tell the story of the conflict between Heaven and Hell over creation.
Several quotes from Tolkiens Foreword to The Lord Of The Rings second edition: "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the story grew it put down roots (into the past) and threw out unexpected branches: but its main theme was settled from the outset by the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit." Second quote: "Other Arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Third quote: "An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience, but the ways in which a story-germ uses the soil of experience are extremely complex, and attempts to define the process are at best guesses from evidence that is inadequate and ambiguous."
I thought when Bishop Barron said that Lewis wanted to evangelise the imagination that he would mention George MacDonald as Lewis said of reading his Phantastes that it baptised his imagination,
I have thought that C S Lewis' staying power is due to the US being around 30 to 70 years behind Europe. He wrote concerning Europe's situation which later became the US's situation.
How do you reconcile C.S. Lewis who was a member of the Anglican tradition, with Roman Catholicism? Was C.S. Lewis a man of his times/circumstances (in being an Englishman?)
this is a fun fact , all the ''christian'' religious underlying context in the books and movies and nobody seems to know that ''Aslan'' means lion in Turkish language which is an Islamic term for a leader , a strong man
Nice catch, William. My eyes are always drawn to the copy of HABIT OF BEING, as well. Father Barron has written and spoken of O'Connor for many years now, so I look forward to a fitting tribute to her and her work next summer (she passed in August 1964).
I'm not sure the nature of Christianity-as-story was something Lewis intuited so much as absorbed from Tolkien, who also thought of Christianity in those terms and who was instrumental (along with Charles Williams) in moving Lewis toward faith.
Bishop Barron videos have such awesome art interspersed throughout. Many I would love to have hanging in my home. Does anyone know the name of the painting at 3 minutes into this video?
Three famous people died that day. Aldous Huxley RIP. A fateful day... Grant writing from Headington, Oxford, home of Lewis, Tolkien and Isaiah Berlin.
C. S. Lewis was not a Catholic, whereas J R R Tolkien was. Maybe that's the reason they didn't always get along. Do we know much about Lewis's attitude to the Catholic Church?
Lewis was Catholic in every essential way, he subscribed to all necessary doctrines(Apostolic succession, the seven sacraments, the creeds...). My impression, based on reading his works, is that he disapproved of the Roman church’s, shall I call it, dogmatic tunnel vision, whereas he had more broad church ideals(provided you have the essential views, and were guided towards right doctrine, everything else(Marianism, purgatory...) was comparably trivial. As the Anglican Church was doctrinally and sacramentally correct, I speculate he found it appropriate, being the church of his fellows. Besides, the Anglican Church at the time, before it tragically fell to “progressivism”, was differed from the the RCC really only in regards to Papal Authority, married clergy, and saying mass in the vernacular. Yes, it was a fact that JRR wasn’t pleased about...
LOve your Catholicism series Fr, Barron! Love you talking about Lewis too. Also, another person died as well on that dat,,,,Aldous Huxley. Peter Kreeft wrote a book on ot :)
fwiw, aldous huxley died that day as well. his last words, i believe, were scribbled on a scrap of paper and were "try mescaline," which i believe he thought would make death more interesting. no matter how it turned out for huxley, lewis had more to give to the rest of us. if he had written nothing more than "a grief observed, his professional life would have carried its weight.
I have often thought of these two men's appointments on the same date (give or take) and the inverse attention given their passings. Indeed Lewis has proven to be the real vintage which outlives the fame of the faddish politician.
strefanasha wrote: CS Lewis did not teach christianity. He taught moralistic theism me: well, it so happens i read this book by C.S. Lewis called "Mere Christianity..." and it subverts your claim that Lewis did not teach Christianity.
Just a technical note: You said that Lewis "had to battle his way through" to Christianity. Lewis wrote in his essay "on reaching (of God) I am a far less reliable guide, that is because I had never had the experience of searching for God, it was the other way around. He was the hunter, or so it seemed to me, and I was the prey. He stalked me like a redskin, took an airing aim and fired and I am very thankful that that is how the first conscious meeting occured." ..and Mr. Fr. Robert Barron? Could you please say something about G. K. Chesterton? Thanks
+Karol Pavlovkin That's his view, I think, after his conversion, looking back and seeing it was God who sought him. Lewis explicitly states he entered the Kingdom "kicking and struggling" and was "the most dejected convert in all of England." I'm paraphrasing from memory, it's in his book "Surprised by Joy"
I think he means that argument as a form is at a point currently of being widely misused and manipulated for personal means rather than towards a genuine striving for truth.
This is the first I'm hearing about The Lord of the Rings being having Chris archetypes... was Tolkien christian? This is the first I'm hearing about that! I'm completely surprised! Pleasantly surprised. I love the idea of out narrating. I knew there was a greater benefit in story telling rather then pointing out logical.fallacies." U see it everywhere. How ppl r more moved to hear about Disney's frozen 2 rather then hearing about the abortion clinics.
C.S. Lewis helped make me the strong Catholic I am today. I pray he is with Christ right now.
Lewis got to know Jesus, that’s why he was never a Catholic.
@@animationfan957 But he came to know Jesus through the loving Christian evangelism of a Catholic, JRR Tolkien.:)
I don't think you have to worry about where he is... 😉
@Stacy Caruso No one said he was Catholic
@@animationfan957 shut up your mouth if you don't have something smart to say you idiot
He was catholic long time but changed his religion that's reason why his friendship with tolkien became colder
"Evangelize the imagination." As an aspiring writer and Catholic, I will take that to heart.
Hello, I am an aspiring writer who wants to add some catholic views, do you want to become friends with me? I need advice
Catholic writers! I love to see there is more of us :D
You too? We should be friends!
Christian fantasy writer here. :) Not a catholic though.
@@marcusappelberg369 that’s ok neither was Lewis his friend Tolkien however was catholic and he’s responsible for Lewis returning to his childhood faith ( church of Ireland ) - this is part of what’s known as the Anglican communion and takes in Church of Scotland and of wales and England and also the Episcopalian church in the USA
"Christianity is the greatest story ever told" Loved that part.
“The field of battle between God and Satan is the human soul. It is in the soul that the battle rages every moment of life.” 😇 Padre Pio 🙏🏻4us
I have been intrigued by C.S. Lewis for years and I finally read Mere Christianity about 9 months ago. Just yesterday I bought 2 more copies for family members...he has indeed changed my life. His writings have stayed with me. I've been reading pieces of the book to my children. They are under 10 years and love it! They call it the "mind-blowing book". Excellent commentary as always Bishop.
You might like a podcast I'm doing with my friend Matt called "The Eagle and Child" where each episode we're discussing a chapter of "Mere Christianity". You should be able to find it on iTunes, Google Play and Podbean.
I am a catholic and eventhough i was not practicing my religion faith for a long time, i have returned home. I am so happy. I have forgotten how much i enjoy the love and company of Jesus and Virgin Mary and Padre Pio who i feel was my guide back to my faith. I don't feel alone.. i only have a high school education and vocational school. But i very much enjoy listening to you father and wish my oldest son would listen to you. You see, he is a non believer. A good son and kind person who knows it all.. 🙂 He asked me once why do i believe in God and i told i just do. Many things has happened in my life and i always felt he was there with me eventhough i was not true to him and practicing my faith. I grew up in a nun's school so i told him that i always felt his love and protection. I told my son to believe is to see... he got upset with me because i didnt make sense. I guess he wants fisical proof and my God is more than that. I just told him i refuse to argue with him. I told him i will keep praying for him and that i knew one day he will find himself on his praying to God. I enjoy very much listening to you. God Bless. Pls pray for my family so we all can find our way to serve our Lord.
As a Christian who was in part pulled into the faith by cross-referencing my love for the Lord of the Rings narrative with the Biblical story, Father Barron's mention of 'surreptitious evangelisation' here is so beautiful. Praise the Lord for the ways he works in the world!
kennedy had no impact on my life , c.s. lewis changed it, he is one of my mentors, i would not be a follower of christ without his help, thank you lord for making c.s , i look forward to meeting him one day.
Sam McPhail But it might also be that when you’re seeing Lewis, you’re seeing Jesus, too...
Britt McLean CS Lewis had an impact but Kennedy did too to downplay JFK impact is disrespectful. Anything bad about the Kennedy brothers usually written by their enemies . The Kennedys for all their faults were strong Catholics
I like the "rats in the cellar" analogy in C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity's Let's Pretend chapter.
"...surely what a man does when he is taken off his guard is the best evidence for what sort of a man he is? Surely what pops out before the man has time to put on a disguise is the truth? If there are rats in a cellar you are most likely to see them if you go in very suddenly..."
scepeda tis id the year of the 🐀 and tis pestilence has make mighty man small ..,
Very good point. Rats in the cellar. What an insightful analogy by CS Lewis. I just discovered Mere Christianity recently and this is one of the more powerful analogies to me. Thanks.
Father Barron, I love the line "evangelization of the imagination." And your description of how Lewis' and Tolkien's stories worked out in a pub in Oxford have become the world's most popular movies of our time send an electric thrill through my heart. Praise the Lord! God bless you and your work, Father.
Actually I think Lewis's greatest work is _A Grief Observed,_ his meditation on the premature death of his wife. When I was bereaved it was more consoling than any other written work in existence, including the Gospels.
We wouldn't have "Lord of the Rings" if it wasn't for Lewis' encouraging Tolkien. Thanks Jack!
Well yes they did critique each other’s work during inkling meetings . And Tolkien is actually responsible for Lewis’s return to Christ and the Christian imagery and references in both their works are evidence of their faith .
I'm nearly 7 years late in viewing this video, but it has helped me to understand something I've been dealing with. Sort of the very definition of "better late than never."
You are not alone. I discovered his videos during the pandemic and some more and now I only watch their videos.
God bless you
Check dr Pitre Brant as well
@@DarkAngel-cj6sx I will. Thank you.
"you have to out-narrate your competition!" BOOM! Strong Quote! That's my lesson for today! Thank you, Bishop Barron!
Wonderful!
I'm reading Thos. Martin's "Reading the Classics with C.S. Lewis" and am awestruck by Lewis' breadth of expertise - he had most of Dante memorised, and was the authority in Mediaeval and Renaissance literature. He read (and re-read over and over), almost everything from the Ancients to the Victorians. It's hard to comprehend his level of genius.
It's Kennedy 24/7 in the media today, and nary a word about Lewis, who will have a far greater eternal impact for the good.
Christopher Dawson was arguably even more knowledgeable about literature and history.
Jonathan Quist
History yes, but literature, not even close.
Dawson has come under thoughtful criticism re.some of his interpretive narrative and sweeping generalizations. It's his style; he's certainly one of my favourite historians.
President Kennedy is probably more significant re world political history, but CS Lewis is a major character in popular culture, although not so much as Tolkien.
The Tolkien movies have had a huge impact, the Narnia movies not so much. The movie _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_ was good, but the next 2 films were badly made
God bless you Bishop, may the Holy Spirit help guide you in your mission.
C.S Lewis’s mere christianity is the ultimate book for a new christian, it certainly helped me and enlightened me so much! God bless you bishop barron ❤️
The ultimate book for a new Christian is the Bible. If you read it, you’ll realize that Lewis was a false teacher and an heretic.
Father Barron is often delightful to hear from - the importance, as he says, of the narrative above the argument is probably something he himself as well as Lewis understands very well.
thank God for you father you are a giant and great warrior of our God
C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien inspired me to study English literature in my youth. I earned my Master's Degree from Middlebury College, with summer studies at Lincoln College, Oxford. I even met Tolkien's biographer, Humphrey Carpenter, when I was there. I think Oxford is my favorite place on earth.
The story of Yeshua is indeed the greatest of stories. Many apologists such as C.S. Lewis changed my viewpoint through their writings several times. Thank you for this video. I have subscribed to see what else you have to say.
I'm protestant but I love your videos! :)
We serve the same Master. Bless you
That’s not my name - Lewis was as well he was church of Ireland the main Protestant faith in Ireland this is part of the Anglican communion along with Church of England , Church of Scotland and church of wales .
@@michelleflood7225 The Church of Scotland is not Anglican. It is Presbyterian in government and (now rather diluted) Calvinist in theology. Anglicanism in Scotland is represented by the Episcopal Church of Scotland, a separate denomination.
I dearly love C. S. Lewis so much. And I wish I was the scholar to fully appreciate him. But I am so terribly grateful for his life and work. And thank you so much for this commentary.
Sure do appreciate this commentary. Thanks for chatting about Lewis as well as reminding us about the story in which we are all involved.
tolkien and cs lewis were both profoundly influenced by and admired a writer named george macdonald , if you are unfamiliar with him i encourage you to track him down and read some of his books
I will, thank you.
@@jammerbammer1 Lewis wrote a work that extracted three hundred and fifty of MacDonald's writings, named "George MacDonald: An Anthology 365 Readings". It is available in paperback at Amazon. I've read some of MacDonald's fantisies, and I strongly recommend starting with Lewis' anthology. The preface is superb.
@@jimepley1210 surprisingly Lewis also read a book by the catholic writer GK Chesterton that influenced him as well
Excellent commentary Fr. Barron. I remember reading the book Between Heaven and Hell by Peter Kreeft where Lewis had a debate with President Kennedy and Aldous Huxley, who also died on the same day, in purgatory. Really helped me renew my faith.
Nice! And if I could encourage... If you haven't read anymore Peter Kreeft books since then, please consider it. He's renewed my faith time and time again with his work. He, like Fr. Barron, has been a huge blessing for both my intellectual and spiritual life.
I'm always surprised when The Great Divorce is not mentioned. That book was a gateway for me into Dante, Blake, Milton, and all manner of theological ideas both medieval and modern.
I've read it again and again.
NickBennett my favorite Lewis book.
Bishop Barron is so underrated.
I am just discovering these great lectures on amazing people. Thanks very much
Me too. BB is now one of my favorites. God bless him with a long and fruitful ministry.
I would love to take a road trip and meet him. He has blessed my sister and her husband as well.
I have come to love C S Lewis too. He has a way of instructing his readers that appeals to so many people.
I reread his work on a regular basis and suggest it to my friends.
Two years and it's still fresh !
His talks are quite inspiring.
I have audio versions of Four of Lewis' apologetic works. They have gotten me through many a long journey.
I was struck in my youth by a passage he wrote of acceptance of good people of any faith, and when facing God in death and how people, regardless of their religion, could be accepted by God. It made a huge impression on me that a Catholic was accepting of others. I was raised in many cultures and a Catholic, and that passage always felt right to me
,,and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.''
Not arguing the world into Christianity, but "telling a better story": I love it.
One of your best Bishop Barren. I might just become a Barron fan after all.
I did like watching the Narnia movie. Thanks for reminding me of c.s.lewis. I'm definitely going to watch the Narnia movie again.🍿
J.R.R Tolkien, a Catholic colleague of Lewis, took issue with a lot of what C.S Lewis did, including his famous Screwtape Letters. As Tolkien saw it, no man should think too much about the fallen angels, let alone the strategies employed by them. Ironically, Lewis dedicated the book to Tolkien (which disturbed Tolkien a great deal). To Tolkien, the reality of the things above and below were so potent to him, likely through his ability of imagination, that talking about such things was a very precious and specific ordeal reserved for the personal modes of thought alone, hence his creation of terms to describe what he was talking about (like 'enemy' for the devil). Tolkien strongly disliked the combination of familiarity and directness, which he equated eventually to contempt, in either story and conversation, especially when about the fallen creatures that pose such a threat to fallen man.
He came sooo close to being a Catholic.
That was fantastic! Thanks again Father.
Another great video! Thank you Father!
Love these videos. Always an interesting insight on an interesting topic . 🌹🌹🌹
Mere Christianity and Pilgrim's Regress were instrumental in a personal conversion to Christianity. Mired in a secular agnosticism/scepticism, I found the reasoning in Mere Christianity persuasive - perhaps Christianity was not as irrational or "illogical" as I had imagined. Pilgrim's Regress was a bit more difficult read, but it gave me a 'fly on the wall' look at a first hand account of, as Father describes, his difficult, halting personal conversion, and, I suppose, let me know, that that was all right.
I'd love to get your feedback on my podcast "The Eagle and Child" where we're going through "Mere Christianity" chapter by chapter. It's available on iTunes, Google Play and Podbean.
Yes, C.S. Lewis was not a Catholic, but Lewis converted to Christianity largely through debates with Tolkien, so Lewis' theology is largely influenced by Tolkien's catholicism. Lewis' most Catholic book is I believe, Perelandra where he shows the story of the Adam and Eve of an alien planet.
Incidentallythe main character of that one is based on Tolkien
Rodney Burton Incidentally Lewis's biographer thought he would have converted to Roman Catholicism had he lived to see the present wateriness of the Church of England.
MagnificentFiend Highly advanced Marian theology in Perelandra, but Jack didn't seem to realize it (though he did dedicate the book to a convent of nuns; "To Some Ladies at Watage").
Perelandra chapter 17:
"Oh, my Father and my Mother, my Lord and my Lady [The 'New Adam' and 'New Eve'], do not move, do not answer me yet. My own father and mother I have never seen. Take me for your son. We have been alone in my world for a great time."
Here is where the Catholic looks up from the book and smiles.
Yes, he obviously had Catholic influences, but he remained a staunch Anglican all his life. I don't think C.S. Lewis is the kind of man who would've been sitting on the fence concerning Catholicism, especially considering his friendships.
Anglican, yes, but his theology remains "Mere Christianity".
He already knew the wateriness of the Anglican Church in his day. If you're interested, read his lecture "Fern Seed and Elephants". Here's an excerpt:
"A theology which denies the historicity of nearly everything in the
Gospels to which Christian life and affections and thought have been
fastened for nearly two millennia - which either denies the miraculous
altogether or, more strangely, after swallowing the camel of the
Resurrection strains at such gnats as the feeding of the multitudes - if
offered to the uneducated man can produce only one or other of two
effects. It will make him a Roman Catholic or an atheist.What you offer him he will not recognize as Christianity. If he holds to what he calls Christianity he will leave a Church in which it is no
longer taught and look for one where it is. If he agrees with your
version he will no longer call himself a Christian and no longer come to
church. In his crude, coarse way, he would respect you much more if
you did the same." And another: "Once the layman was anxious to hide the fact that he believed so much
less than the vicar; now he tends to hide the fact that he believes so
much more. Missionary to the priests of one's own church is an
embarrassing role; though I have a horrid feeling that if such mission
work is not soon undertaken the future history of the Church of England
is likely to be short."
However, he also wrote an essay entitled, “Christian Reunion: An Anglican Speaks to Roman Catholics,”:
"the real reason why I cannot
be in communion with you is not my disagreement with this or that Roman
doctrine, but that to accept your Church means, not to accept a given
body of doctrine, but to accept in advance any doctrine your Church
hereafter produces. It is like being asked to agree not only to what a
man has said but to what he’s going to say…To us the terrible thing
about Rome is the recklessness (as we hold) with which she has added to
the depositum fidei [deposit of faith]…the proliferation of credenda [what must be believed]."
Excellent critique by a Roman Catholic speaking to a Christian of the Presbyterian Faith . Thank you. In man the search that was fulfilled in the Soul of Lewis was that the reasoning mind had to come to terms with the Faith we long for in our Souls. He and his Inking Club nailed that factor & it is the reason why new Souls are seeking Aslan on a grander scale. .
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan
I just finished teaching my 8th graders about Lewis' "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" (trilemma) argument and then found this video in my e-mail inbox. How awesome! Thanks for such wonderful commentary and for evangelizing all of us with The Story as well, Fr. Barron!
Annihilationism scares and terrifies me even more than eternal torment does. I don't want to die forever. I want to live forever wherever I end up. I hope that universal reconciliation will turn out to be true.
Aldous Huxley also died on the same day as the two 'Jacks'. Peter Kreeft has an excellent book of them engaging in philosophical dispute in a, sort-of, purgatorial next world!
I live in Oxford England and the Eagle and child pub where the inklings met is still there unchanged. In fact they do good
Pub grub!! ( good food) love CS Lewis generations of children have read the Narnia books. 🇬🇧🙋🙏♥️
I think Sam from LOTR is also a jesus representative. When Frodo felt alone, was hurting, or needed saving... Sam was with him every step of the way, and even carried Him.
I argue the reader is more Frodo, and that Sam is more in line with that of Christ.
So true about arguing!
Protestants love to argue with Catholics and atheists. But their answers are very simple, read the Bible. They think that reading the Bible will solve everything. If they only knew. If I tell them there would be no Jesus without the goodness of Mary, they ignore me and move forward.
The greatest story ever told that hardly ever told, God
Talking about a concept so cold, it's the reason we stay bold
and it's how God breathed into man and he became a living soul.
The Narnia stories are an analogy of his change of heart. The frozen Narnia is his pre Christian state.
Narnia under Asian is his Christian state.
Thank you so much I had no idea that Narnia and Lord of the Rings had a Christian background. I will be be reading those books in a new light.
...and Animal Farm (by George Orwell) is about Communism
"You don't convince someone by out-arguing them." Uuuhh, WHAT? That was the entire point of books like Mere Christianity and Miracles!
I like the idea of having to "out narrate" the culture
Father. I apologise to send you this extra comment, however it is worth mentioning I am now studying theology as an A-Level. I am learning about 'New Testament Criticism' (which includes things like the 'Synoptic Problem') and 'Religion and the Media' (focusing on how religion uses fiction and art). While I personally choose to research the philosophy of religion in my own time, so forgive me if I lack some knowledge regarding the philosophy of religion. As you may know, I have read all of the 'New Atheist' (Dawkins et Al). This summer I plan to read 'A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years' by Diarmaid MacDulloch to broaden my knowledge regarding the history of Christianity. This book was reviewed positively by Rowan Williams (Ex Arch-Bishop of Canterbury)
I think now that Robert Barron comes across as quite unassuming that it is easy to underestimate his value. His value to the Catholic Church and Christianity in general.
To honor Brother Lewis "reactionary-revisionst" historical viewpoint Cambridge created a special position just for Lewis: Chair of Medieval and renaissance Literature.
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I don't agree with all of your views, Father, but I do like some of them and more important, I'm learning more things about God and that's ALWAYS something good. I saw your video on "The Tree Of Life" and was glad to see that you and I thought similarly about what it was about. Did you cry at the end, during the scene on the beach where Sean Penn's character finds forgiveness? I thought I would die from crying so much! Anyway, bless you and I will listen to more of your videos. Thank you.
Aldous Huxley also died on 22nd November 1963
This man is always interesting.
This video inspired me. I'm gonna go evangelize my imagination! [proceeds to watch Lord of the Rings instead of do homework]
Edward Collazo Very funny! :D
Fr. Barron, have you by chance read Tolkien's "The Silmarillion" and Lewis' Space Trilogy?
The Silmarillion is the much larger story of Middle-Earth (and more than Middle Earth) from prior to creation through the time of "The Lord of the Rings". It makes many of the comparisons between the characters in the story and their biblical counterparts clearer, and might make you change your mind on who is who in the Lord of the Rings. The Space Trilogy is rumored to be a sort of counterpart to the Silmarillion, that explores vast amounts of space set at the time of Lewis and Tolkien. Both tell the story of the conflict between Heaven and Hell over creation.
So right! You have to out narrate them. Debate is dead. And Christianity/the truth is the greatest story ever told!
Several quotes from Tolkiens Foreword to The Lord Of The Rings second edition: "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the story grew it put down roots (into the past) and threw out unexpected branches: but its main theme was settled from the outset by the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit." Second quote: "Other Arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Third quote: "An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience, but the ways in which a story-germ uses the soil of experience are extremely complex, and attempts to define the process are at best guesses from evidence that is inadequate and ambiguous."
I thought when Bishop Barron said that Lewis wanted to evangelise the imagination that he would mention George MacDonald as Lewis said of reading his Phantastes that it baptised his imagination,
Thanks for the insight!
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (The Gospel)
I have thought that C S Lewis' staying power is due to the US being around 30 to 70 years behind Europe. He wrote concerning Europe's situation which later became the US's situation.
How do you reconcile C.S. Lewis who was a member of the Anglican tradition, with Roman Catholicism? Was C.S. Lewis a man of his times/circumstances (in being an Englishman?)
this is a fun fact , all the ''christian'' religious underlying context
in the books and movies
and nobody seems to know that ''Aslan'' means lion in Turkish language
which is an Islamic term for a leader , a strong man
It's quite curious that CS LEWIS and many CATHOLIC CLERGY ADMIRE EACH OTHER there are many differences in both faiths?
The differences between Catholicism and Protestantism are not an issue in CS Lewis's writings
Side note: Aldous Huxley also died on the exact same date as President Kennedy and C.S. Lewis
Actually, three famous men died that day: C. S. Lewis, JFK, and . . . Aldous Huxley.
I buy that CS Lewis is a great storyteller
Super good !
I hope you have a video like this next year for the 50th anniversary of Flannery O'Connor's death. Thanks, Father.
I think it's coming - just look in his bookshelf :)
Nice catch, William. My eyes are always drawn to the copy of HABIT OF BEING, as well. Father Barron has written and spoken of O'Connor for many years now, so I look forward to a fitting tribute to her and her work next summer (she passed in August 1964).
I'm not sure the nature of Christianity-as-story was something Lewis intuited so much as absorbed from Tolkien, who also thought of Christianity in those terms and who was instrumental (along with Charles Williams) in moving Lewis toward faith.
Bishop Barron videos have such awesome art interspersed throughout. Many I would love to have hanging in my home. Does anyone know the name of the painting at 3 minutes into this video?
Let’s hear it for Mr L…….
Three famous people died that day.
Aldous Huxley RIP. A fateful day...
Grant writing from Headington, Oxford, home of Lewis, Tolkien and Isaiah Berlin.
C. S. Lewis was not a Catholic, whereas J R R Tolkien was. Maybe that's the reason they didn't always get along. Do we know much about Lewis's attitude to the Catholic Church?
Lewis was Catholic in every essential way, he subscribed to all necessary doctrines(Apostolic succession, the seven sacraments, the creeds...). My impression, based on reading his works, is that he disapproved of the Roman church’s, shall I call it, dogmatic tunnel vision, whereas he had more broad church ideals(provided you have the essential views, and were guided towards right doctrine, everything else(Marianism, purgatory...) was comparably trivial. As the Anglican Church was doctrinally and sacramentally correct, I speculate he found it appropriate, being the church of his fellows.
Besides, the Anglican Church at the time, before it tragically fell to “progressivism”, was differed from the the RCC really only in regards to Papal Authority, married clergy, and saying mass in the vernacular.
Yes, it was a fact that JRR wasn’t pleased about...
That’s correct . He knew Catholicism was a false doctrine, nevertheless he loved his catholic friend R. R T
@@abelphilosophy4835 You mean “he *believed* it was a false doctrine”. Please don't masquerade your own beliefs as truth.
THREE famous people died, you didn't include Aldous Huxley.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley
LOve your Catholicism series Fr, Barron! Love you talking about Lewis too. Also, another person died as well on that dat,,,,Aldous Huxley. Peter Kreeft wrote a book on ot :)
fwiw, aldous huxley died that day as well. his last words, i believe, were scribbled on a scrap of paper and were "try mescaline," which i believe he thought would make death more interesting. no matter how it turned out for huxley, lewis had more to give to the rest of us. if he had written nothing more than "a grief observed, his professional life would have carried its weight.
ive seen this 5 times
yes
I like 'slip behind enemy lines.'
I have often thought of these two men's appointments on the same date (give or take) and the inverse attention given their passings. Indeed Lewis has proven to be the real vintage which outlives the fame of the faddish politician.
Thank You for great videos. Can I translate and dub some of them in russian? (If I will have your permission). God bless you and your ministry.
well said explain simply thank you
strefanasha wrote: CS Lewis did not teach christianity. He taught moralistic theism
me: well, it so happens i read this book by C.S. Lewis called "Mere Christianity..." and it subverts your claim that Lewis did not teach Christianity.
Aldous Huxley died in the same date.
Just a technical note: You said that Lewis "had to battle his way through" to Christianity. Lewis wrote in his essay "on reaching (of God) I am a far less reliable guide, that is because I had never had the experience of searching for God, it was the other way around. He was the hunter, or so it seemed to me, and I was the prey. He stalked me like a redskin, took an airing aim and fired and I am very thankful that that is how the first conscious meeting occured." ..and Mr. Fr. Robert Barron? Could you please say something about G. K. Chesterton? Thanks
+Karol Pavlovkin That's his view, I think, after his conversion, looking back and seeing it was God who sought him. Lewis explicitly states he entered the Kingdom "kicking and struggling" and was "the most dejected convert in all of England." I'm paraphrasing from memory, it's in his book "Surprised by Joy"
Thanks you:)
Walter Hooper kept him alive. Almost entirely due to him
That Hideous Strength is prophesy.
"Argument is going through a tough time right now?" What do you mean by this?
I think he means that argument as a form is at a point currently of being widely misused and manipulated for personal means rather than towards a genuine striving for truth.
This is the first I'm hearing about The Lord of the Rings being having Chris archetypes... was Tolkien christian? This is the first I'm hearing about that!
I'm completely surprised!
Pleasantly surprised.
I love the idea of out narrating. I knew there was a greater benefit in story telling rather then pointing out logical.fallacies."
U see it everywhere.
How ppl r more moved to hear about Disney's frozen 2 rather then hearing about the abortion clinics.