Did Game of Thrones Permanently Damage The Song of Ice & Fire Franchise? It Seems That Way.
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Mike gives his thoughts on the current state of the Game of Thrones & Song of Ice and Fire fandoms including the books, shows, and the future.
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I must accept you are right, we probably will never see the series finished, and makes me very sad that this is my favourite series of all time
I usually forget the story but once in a while I’ll watch a asoiaf theory video or visit the wiki and get hyped again
Also this might be a stupid question but is it worth reading the books if i watched the show?
@Palantiri lol yes i started already. but it's ok. im also a gamer so I can wait for the new books to come out. if ever lol. so I can keep myself busy til then.
I agree wholeheartedly, Martin is going to take the the ending to his grave. It’s unfortunate, that realistically, we’re already talking about what might have been...
Currently 250 pages deep in “A game of thrones” loving every page
Really? Im thinking about buying all 7 next week. Wondered how good they were.
@@aqueenchi117 Mate I finished all 7 in two months, definitely worth it.
@@aqueenchi117 they're class and worth it, just come in with the mindset that it probably wont finish otherwise you'll be very upset
It's so true and strange that there are entire online communities that formed by hating Star Wars or GOTs. What a weird thing to bond with other people over. It's like the exact opposite of fan culture
Yeah, folks will whore themselves out for clicks. I’d just rather talk about things I love to much smaller audiences.
I actually really liked Feast for Crows. I really liked the insanity of Cersei's chapters and the Dorne chapters. I kind of liked the break that we got from the main cast and got to see the world from the other characters. In fact, I started to weirdly like the characters that weren't really mains I sort of liked them more than Tyrion and Jon for example. I don't know, unpopular opinion I guess?
I LOVED A Feast for Crows. Excellent book.
Yeah right here with you man
@@bloodynine9017 I did miss you though, My King.
@@darkprinceofdorne me too there is a lot of great writing in it, many of the best quotes. I especially enjoyed the Dorne storyline even though that might be an unpoular opinin. Then also Arya and Sansa, Cersei of course. Some of the Brienne chapters were a bit boring, but not as much as I expected cause she had great chapters too! I also enjoyed every Asha chapter and Euron was introduced amazingly. This book just feeds so many theories it is honestly so much fun in my opinion. I never felt like i was torturing myself reading this as so many describe. I have a weird affection to this one even though it is one of the darkest, but I guess I just like dark themed books.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 AFFC feels a little bit slow and uneventful after mindblowing ASOS, but that’s how it should be. It’s great book without a lot of "wow" moments, but with great underlying storylines which come into play in ADWD. I loved every second of reading it. It’s probably one of my favorites.
Either Joe Abercrombie or Daniel Abraham might be able to Brandon Sanderson ASOIAF.
I've only read Abraham's work on The Expanse novels, but I know he and GRRM have a close working relationship (I believe he adapted the comic series). I do plan to read his Dagger & The Coin series in the near future.
Martin himself has said No to a ghost writer after he’s dead. He hates fan fiction people.
@@loriannwhite8384 That's what Jordan said too.
Word for word, exactly how I feel regarding the series. I've moved on to other series. I want to start First Law, based on your recommendation.
Love the channel!! Subscribed.
Nice vid. Im considering getting the 7 books that are out. Also then the Fire and Blood book. I wont need more than these to have an enjoyable and understanding read will i? Cuz i hear there are more books out there? Thanks.
“2021 by the latest” aged like fine wine.. lol
Quite late to the party, but the question 'do you even care?' was my response when the topic of the books came out in any conversation. I even share your amusement with people who's been waiting for the next book for like 6 months or so - I still remember when I finished books in like 2017 or maybe even earlier, and I was so hyped when GRRM posted on his blog that the book will be out 'next year'. I actually remember laughing at the old fans who's been waiting for the book for years, and here I was, a new reader who'll get the next book a few months after he got into the series. Well, you can guess where I am now.
Great video. I hope you have more ASOIAF content on your channel :)_
If he ever releases book 6 I plan to go through the whole series on the channel. But I’m not holding my breath.
I just finished them and I’ve been dame, ten year’s later.
Hey, Mike. New sub. Been binging your vids. Seems like we've got common interests- King, ASOIF, Sanderson. Completely agree on Winds in that I don't care anymore. Waited years after book 3 & was not impressed with Feast. We were sold at the time that, because Martin split the book, we'd get Dance quicker. Took years again. Now, it's been so long, I don't care.
That's the sad truth of it. Will I still read it when/if it happens? Of course. But I'm no longer waiting for it.
First, I'm binging watching your videos because I just discovered your channel, don't mind me lol.
Second, I've read the first book after the first season because of how much I loved the show. But even before I finished the second I got spoiled for things in later books and I discovered how long it took between them, so I decided to just watch the show as a different thing because I knew it was going to get ahead of the books and read them once it was done. I have the books but decided to wait at least until GRRM announces Winds of Winter to pick them up again (because that could be tomorrow or 5 years from now) and I'm hoping with all my heart that he realizes he is not that young and focus on finishing it. If you asked me 3-4 years ago I wouldn't mind because we would have the ending of the show to wrap most things, but that was traumatizing and now I'm waiting for the real version of it hahaha.
There was a time I was anticipating these books more than anything else in life. But a fandom can only take so much. The fans of the series long before the show was even an idea have slowly become jaded with it and have little hope GRRM ever comes close to finishing it.
great video, im with u on this, we waited enough for the books. i moved on to other fantasy books.
Indeed. Sanderson and Abercrombie are way more prolific and the quality doesn't dip.
Yep, I don’t get my hopes up. But of course! I’ll be there Day one when it comes out!
I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be counting the days to it.
I just found this video. I agree with you 100%. I will certainly be excited and be first in line to get the Winds of Winter and everything else that you said but as far as anticipation, nah I lost my expectations for this series to end a long time ago. I still read/watch content but much less so. I refuse to accept the show, particularly the last season as canon. Sure some of the major beats may end up being the same (if we ever get there), but definitely not the way in which in happened.
It's hard to hold up hope after all these years.
LOl the intro was the perfect description
"I liked the band before they were cool."
When I first watched Ned's death scene, I almost threw away the laptop, before remembering it was my cousin's laptop.
Edit: I think HBO should buy the rights of Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series (wherever that rights is now) because Sanderson is becoming HUGE. And I mean that figuratively and objectively with the acknowledgment he has been getting and the amount of output he has been putting out in his career. I think they will never run out of material with Brandon.
I think Mistborn was made for TV and is much more believable in that medium than Stormlight is.
@@mikesbookreviews Oh sure. Stormlight Archive is Epic Fantasy on crack. Budget would go down the moment a streaming service portray the battles at the Shattered Plains. And I did hear from one of Brandon's Q&A that he essentially made sure Mistborn is adaptable for cinema.
@@Law-of-EnTropy I feel like Stormlight couldn't be done unless it was like an anime.
@@mikesbookreviews yeah, the amount of CGI needed to adapt Stormlight Archive would as well make it an animated series.
I am still excited for the next books, I believe Martin can fill in so many of the details that were missing in the later seasons. Maybe Euron will be a more captivating villain, and I’m so curious about what happens with Lady Stonehart.
Are you stil curious?
I feel the way you feel about it as a person that reads the books and watched the tv adaptation. You hit everything on the head. I will not be watching the new show though. I wanted to see the Age of Heroes back story like they intended which was referred to as BloodMoon. They should have stuck with that story it had more to tell. Bran the builder, children of the forest, Azor Ahai and his wife Nessa Nessa I wanted to watch that the list goes on. They messed up by just focusing on the targeryans even though interesting as they may be but even before the Targeryans there was the Empire of The Dawn which was the greatest empire known in the saga that we have no real knowledge of.Whichh I am sure could have been touched on if they did Age of Heroes.
It really feels like an HBO studio exec hearing the plot and saying "No, we need more dragons." I'd rather get an adaptation of Robert's Rebellion than Fire & Blood. But I really think they need to wait a couple of years to do anything with the IP.
I felt the same way about the band Tool, 15 years between albums. I stopped waiting for the album, if it happened it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't. It did and it was great but it wasn't like Tool was unfinished. If they never released another album, nothing would've been left unfinished. A song of Ice and Fire will not be finished by George Martin, and that is a tragedy.
I only read the first book yet and watched almost every season of the show. I think I will only read the rest of the books when the last book in the series is announced because I don't want to wait or be disapointed if it never happens.
A very smart plan.
Smart girl❤❤❤👍
@@mikesbookreviews I was so happy to read it but now I regret it
wish I haD done that tbh
I could not understand why they decided to make a show from a book series that was still being written.
I have to believe George sold HBO on the idea that he'd finish before they caught up. Lots of rumors Dan & Dave pressured him to finish WoW before they passed him on the show and it caused it big rift between the three of them.
They had many years like 5-6 you would excpect some one to be finsihed
Twice, now that Fire & Blood is the 1st of two books. Will they ever learn???
Just watching your videos. # 44 Thumbs up. I am really excited about the Winds of Winter. The series is amazing
Yeah, I was there...8 years ago.
Read Wheel Of Time there is Only 15 big books so you can finish them before GRR or Rothfuss can finish a book
Hi! I am new in to fantasy reading and am looking for series that are not that famous. Du you have a video about it? If not could you please make one?
Or give me some ideas were I can find.
I live in Germany and here the are not so into fantasy, so it's not possible to only go to a book store e see what they have.
Thank you so much!
I’m 297 pages into the fifth book for the first time and call me naive but there is word Martin is 75 percent finished with Winds and I am hopeful and feeling positive about its release in the next couple of years… sigh Without a doubt this series has become near and dear to me and whether or not it’s ever finished I will come back to it time and again. Thanks for the video Mike!
I understand not really talking about it anymore. I've reread this series 6 times, but I stopped doing that. I decided I would only do so when WoW has an actual release date. Ever since I've stopped talking about it as well. I used to mind, but not anymore. There's so much great books to read in the meantime. We'll see it when we see it.
Never saw the end of the show. I stopped at season 5. 🤷🏼♀️
I did try the combined reading order of AFFC & ADWD. Personally I think that made the reading experience much better. Don't know if you've tried it, but if you ever reread before TWOW, I would recommend reading it that way.
I stopped caring when Tyrion didn't go back for Penny's dog and pig, the only creatures in the books I cared about.
I'm on a book 2 of series, reading so that I can see how Martin gonna end the series compared to TV series.
Man if you thought Feast for Crows slowed things down I don't see you getting through the WoT slog. BTW I agree with almost everything in this video, except I think it's entirely possible to wrap satisfyingly in two more novels. As the cold hand of death draws closer I think/hope the monetary allure of companion books and expanded projects recedes, and I also think/hope he has spent enough time on this world that we don't end up with a latter half of the Dark Tower phenomena, where he just writes to get it done.
I'll be excited for Winds of Winter when I see it on a shelf. The series will be finished one way or another, GRRM has said he has the notes in place in case "something" happens. Like being a man in his 70s who does not look like he has a healthy lifestyle.
"Hey Brandon..."
I think it's possible to wrap it up in two more books, I'm just not sure George can. I could see book 6 coming out and then George announcing that book 7 will not be the end as he can't wrap it up with "just" one more book. I'd still love to see Joe Abercrombie wrap up the series should George shuffle off before he finishes.
I love the TV show, love each and every about books, such as the fire and blood, the world of ice and fire, I know the history of Westeros better than our actual history, but can't get through the books, such a pity
13:18 yeah...
I've been waiting for WoW for ever now but i don't care. I started these books before the series as well. Even if he never finishes ASOIAF it will still be my favorite series of all time. And i don't really know how I'd feel if someone else attempts to finish it.
True. We never hear anything about AGOT. I still haven’t seen the show. I refuse to until the books are done. I will be waiting forever.
I watched the show in 2020 and somehow managed to completely miss any talk about the red wedding so when that scene came on I was in genuine shock. I had to pause the show for a bit just to let what I just saw sink in. The red wedding is a big reason I have held off on the books, I just dont want to go through that again. That being said I finally started A Game of Thrones.
I really love GRRM and I am ready to wait for WoW. I personally think that GRRM intentionally stopped bothering with winds because he wanted the show to be over before his last 2 books came out. That would allow him to slightly change some story arcs and plots when and where necessary, and even then there will be a % of those who would want to see a better ending of the series than in the tv shows, ensuring that his book sells off.
Besides, he hasn't released the WoW till now as he wants the backlash to die down a bit and then he would present us all with an amazing book. If he had rushed to complete WoW before s6 of the show i think it would not have been that great. I have faith in him as of now.
Finished ADWD 2011, so much time has passed since I too no longer care. I'll probably read it although I don't have any expectations. Tbh some of the fanfic out there is so good I'm ok with a DNF. Since house of dragon's show has come out I circled back with ADWD for a refresh. I quickly learned I don't have patience for it's meh'ness any longer.
Hi there! How can I message you about books?
I first started in 2008 and I just put Winds at the back of my mind after GoT Season 5 and trained myself to just wait. Love the books, mostly love the show, didn't really mind the ending. I've seen worse endings and the hype leading up to major popular culture finales has had negative impact on how we view things that we enjoy. All these theories about endings and characters and stories warp people's mindset and when they don't get exactly what they imagined they do this odd thing and rage out on the internet. It's like people aren't allowed to just say if they enjoyed something a lot or didn't, there's no middle ground anymore. The authors or creators don't owe the audience anything in my opinion. But it has been a delight seeing people react to character deaths over the years. Great video. Keep it up.
I can certainly understand folks that didn't hate it. We are guilty of theorizing forever on these things prior to their release and in most cases I'd agree (just not with that last Star Wars movie).
I care - but I'm sad, because I agree with you. We're unlikely to get the series end.
If I had to guess, Winds of Winter will be out within the next 2 or 3 years. I am not so confident that we will get A Dream of Spring though. I hope we get the whole story because George is such a fantastic writer but I think most of the book readers have a pretty good idea of where the books are headed
He is getting pulled away to work on TV shows and other projects now, but I still think we'll see the end of the books someday.
I watched the show and never read the books. After season 8, i was so disappointed that i started the books so that if winds of winter comes out, i can get a satisfying continuation to this wonderful story. I am currently on books 3 and loving them more than the show!
This video made me face the sad reality I’ve been shying away from for awhile. Pain😭
Something had to happen between D&D and GRRM. It's odd how a book hasn't been released since the first season of GOT. I know GRRM has said publicly this is all lies(he's a professional what else can he say), but it makes no sense that he can write other books, and has said he's written more material than he can publish, but somehow ignores the actual series.
As for WoW, it appears it will definitely come out in the next 12-24 months, but it's also peculiar that he only seems to be making progress because he's locked away in a cabin somewhere because of the pandemic.
We'll have to see what happens after WoW. I doubt he's going to dive into A Dream Of Spring right after Winds of Winter. That would really be the only way I see him finishing the series. He's going to be 72 in Sept and likely 73 when the 6th book drops. It's hard for most of us to imagine he'll finish the books at this rate.
I personally don't understand why people are so shocked about the series taking long to finish. Pretty much every big fantasy series like this has taken ages to complete. It took Tolkien twelve years to write the Lord of the Rings. Asoiaf is the size of several LotR trilogies so imagine the complexity of such an undertaking. Just take one pov from Asoiaf and it could be it's own full length novel. So I have to say that my sympathy is all with Martin in this regard. I would rather wait for a well written novel than have him rush out something half arsed and it seems from interviews I have seen and read he has the same mindset.
Thank you! Those that complain about why it’s taking Martin to finish the series are NOT fantasy fans really and more fans of the TV series. Quality over quantity everytime. You don’t pressure writers to finish books/series for selfish reasons. Real fantasy fans know that fantasy series take years to wrap up. I do understand the love for the books and wanting to know how the author ends a project as massive as this series became, but patience people. Im more likely in the minority here, but I do believe WoW will be released, im not sure about a dream of spring, but if he released them back to back in time then it’s possible. Just my thoughts.
How come he never split the Book in two and realse firstpart? How many % is even finished
I feel like he's so lost he just has a mess of notes and no actual manuscript.
I’ve given up. He cashed out. It got out of his hands. Plus, with the political correctness and cancel culture he can’t write the story of a feudal society without pissing off the wrong people. I wish I had known the series wasn’t finished when I started reading it. I never would have started.
Thanks for the great video.
I'm more excited about the hedge knight book series which I really enjoyed. But if it took over a decade for continuation a novella series.... I don't hold out much hope for anything else.
Seems that way my a**! All 8 seasons of GoT rock! People forget (or don't u to remember) that season 8 was a massive success with its record numbers and awards nominations and won best Emmy drama series of the year! Let that sink in!
I Watched Game of Throne up to Season 6 and lost interest. I figured I would give book 1 a read to get me back into the show and two things happened. 1.) Season 8 released to terrible response 2.) Due to feeling like book 1 was just okay with the opinion that I don't think the series will ever get finished I decided to dnf the series and show and don't have much interest in what comes next.
I envy you. Reading them with no hype behind them really intensified my love for them, I think. Now I see Gentleman Bastards and Kingkiller Chronicles fans going through the same anguish I did and I feel for them.
That's when I stopped as well
I’ll be very surprised if George can wrap up all the storylines in two books I think that he’s written himself into a little of a hole and that’s why it’s taken so long for winds of winter and another thing is that the show fire and blood is based on the book which is also not yet finished so the same problems that were there with game of thrones will arise here so not only has he got his main series to finish but he’s also got his fire and blood series to do ...personally I’m not holding my breath there’s plenty of other great fantasy out there from reliable authors
This is why I think the next Thrones show will have big debut ratings and then slide into oblivion thereafter.
I wish hbo would do dresden or the Anne rice vampire chronicles and give it the season 1 got treatment.
ill def read it when it comes out, i do think he has kinda written himself into a bit a of a pit tho. Tbh id rather he take his time and give us great books, we see from the show what happens when its not just left to grow on its own. If he doesn't get to the end we at least know now where he was meaning to go i guess anyway. Also i think i want more Dunk and Egg more.
I think he's in even more of a corner now. If he announced tomorrow that he's just decided to write a different series instead, the internet would lose its mind.
@@mikesbookreviews yeah the internets loses its mind over everything anyway :)
@@smaug1234 FACT.
@@mikesbookreviews Hahahaha Hahahaha. True.
If it finishes, i think it will take 3 books at least.
In that case, the chances go from 10% to 1% he actually finishes.
The opening is exactly how I feel
I’m here from the future to let you know hope has not come yet 😭😭😭
Have you read R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing trilogy?
I own it, but have not started it. I've heard everything from it's the greatest series ever to it's hot garbage. So strange the varying opinions on that one.
@@mikesbookreviews The first book is good, the second is great, and the third not as good as the first two. i have the follow-up quartet, The Aspect-Emperor but have yet to get into those.
@@matthewdeancole I flirted with the idea of the Aspect Emperor series, but figured I'd hold off until I see if I like these first.
I could talk about this forever, I'll try to keep this as short as possible. First, I think George has lost interest that's why it's taking so long. Yes he is slow but he has published hundreds of thousands maybe even over a million words since dance came out, if you count screen writing. Hes doing other things. Why? Because you do what you enjoy. I believe that hes currently working on winds, finally, but doesnt have the passion driving him as much as it once did. Next, I dont want anymore shows in this world. Like you said there is so many other amazing stories out there. I still have an itch to read winds, but that thought turns into dream of spring. I would place bets for large amounts of money saying dream wont be published while George is alive. So that ruins my anticipation. I'm just in waiting mode. I want them to kill the shows and everything before this becomes a harry potter/fantastic beasts/cursed child debacle. Leave this story to be finished by the next two books, go down in history as one of the best stories ever told and leave it at that.
I am applauding right now. I agree in almost every way. My wife believes that he knows he isn't getting any younger and since the show became a huge hit, he's just living his best life with the new money he got.
100%
Fairly certain we will get Winds of winter. A dream of spring is another story.
i lost steam at season 5, i think the show could have carried on by the things they left out it could have been 12 seasons (val, mance, bariston, grey king, victarion, ageon, dorne, etc.) the last season makes re watching the series impossible once you know the outcome, but his notablog said that will have the book by 2020 world con, i can see that by all the chapters released so far i think is possible, i will digest the WoW with eagerness, will it ever be finished? i can only hope
My first red flag with the show was the way they just basically ended all Dorne storylines in about 90 seconds. Folks act like it wasn't until the final season, but the cracks in the foundation were there in season 5.
@@mikesbookreviews They were already changing major stuff before that, it started in seasons 4-5. Look up "Stannis Baby Jars Room".
@@dotcom3987 Oh, sure. When they knew GRRM wasn't going to finish, they started making their changes. When Ser Barristan died, my wife and I were like "Welp, it looks like George isn't finishing the books and they know it."
@@mikesbookreviews They humilliated barristan on purpose, the backstory to his death is that Ian (the actor) actualy read the books, and tried to talk to them about the changes. David Benioff and DB then decided to cut his character short in a display of power and lack of professionalism. Some similar stuff was happening to other actors, stephen dillane complained about nobody explaining his character to him, so they just stoped inviting him to promotional events, parties and whatnot.
Love your videos btw, i hope a tv channel picks up on first law and makes an adptation about it, it would be amazing. Seeing the bloody nine do his enlightening work on the big screen...
@@dotcom3987 I've heard how petty and unprofessional D & D got with everyone. If you believe Midnight's Edge, they started to think they could tell the story better than George. How delusional. First Law being adapted in long form, mature rated television is my book pipe dream.
I've really lost interest in the series..if it comes out it's good. If it doesnt, it's fine. Even if we read winds of winter, what about a dream of spring..
Then you read the Forsaken chapter and OHMYFUC*INGGODDDD!!!
#HYPETRAINAGAIN
chooo choooo MOVED!!!
Still waiting for windows of winter.... Praying for GRRM's health 🙏
I agree, I don't think he'll finish it. He has had a year of writing on Book 6 and he is about half done, he says. He also hinted at it being so long he has to split it, so that's 8 books now. As messy as it is, I consider the show the official ending.
He’s lost.
I’ve only read the first 4 books. I was obsess with the show for years until season 8, I can’t believe they ruined that show. Once the show ended, I literally stopped caring. However I still consider myself obsessed with the world. I hope he finishes it, I won’t read them unless they are finished.
I'll never pretend that I won't read WoW when/if it comes out. I'm just not obsessing over it anymore. There's way too many other fantasy writers just as good as George that put out a new book every 1-2 years to spend time waiting.
@@mikesbookreviews And here I am a year later, still obsessed and dreaming of spring. But you’re very right there are tonnes of writers out there doing amazing things and your channel has certainly helped me find them. Thanks for all your work Mike.
The show is trash but I still love the books! I'm still very excited for the books though I don't think we will get them all but that doesn't discount the rest of the series for me. I prefer not having a ending than a shit one like the show.
I won't buy anything Martin puts out until he finishes the series, but as you say, that's never going to happen. He's filthy rich now and doesn't really care about the fans.
I enjoyed all the books so far. However, I have lost all excitement because (1) it's taking so long and (2) because of the disaster with the TV series. I don't know how GRRM can even salvage the story after that terrible ending. I guess it's possible that he could, since he has a virtually unlimited number of pages to write, but I highly doubt it with the pace that he is doing it right now. I'm not sure I would even buy the next book/s, even if I already bought the first 5. I'll probably borrow from the library first, then see first if it's worth buying after reading it.
I can totally understand if folks are disenchanted with the series, especially after season 8 of the show. Only positive I see, in a world where GRRM actually finishes Song of Spring, is that he can listen to the reaction from that final season and know not to repeat the same mistakes.
I started the series after season 8 ended, reading all 5 books back to back and damn those are some fucking good books. I’m still on board because I’ve only been waiting for Winds for a few months but, if I had to wait 5-6 years to read Feast and Dance then I probably would’ve lost interest. I think all the books are great but at a point enough is enough George finish the goddamn series!
I’m that guy. Never watched the first episode or read the books. Working my way through the Expanse series now then going to this. Stopped the video at 4:09. 😂
rafo
sad to think that if the show didn't exist we might actually have an ending, or at least winds of winter, out
Does anybody care?!?!? I friggin do!!!! I have come to terms with the fact that A Dream of Spring will never be released.
I mean, I’ll read them day 1 if they ever came out. I just stopped expecting them to.
“2021 at the earliest” LMAOOO
Please God let winds of winter be finished in time 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Watching it in 2024... Recently thought more or less the same thing. It's been so long between books, and the show was so bad, that I've grown indifferent... I still think people should go ahead and read the books, appreciate them and be aware that they might not get a proper ending to the series.
With how long you’ve waited on GRRM, would you even say ASoIaF is one of your favorite series anymore? At 10 years I’ve nearly given up all hope
At this point, I'm not so sure I could say it is. It was for a long time, no doubt. But the last really great book in the series is 19 years old now (Storm of Swords). If those last two come out and they're amazing, maybe I'll reassess, but where I first found The First Law to be a suitable holdover between ASOIAF books, I now consider it the superior series.
Noway for me
Love it. You're spot on. Refreshing opinions, do more on George's failure! He's truly never going to end it, so all the foreshadowing was a total waste of filler. He is deluded if he thinks itssatisfying reading 70000 pages of descriptions of dresses, jewels, trees, couches, food, snow, random objects etc (most of the books is window dressing, but it's so detailed and not needed, and cause the characters are so numerous, uts even WORSE cause he has to explain the outfit and hair of every character in every scene... Then they have a quick dialogue then the next chapter the new outfit is described etc and it's just like GET ON WITH A PLOT ALREADY. you can't be inserting so much filler but also so many characters that are all Underutilized anyway! It's like pick one, cause the plot is going so slow, and it's so obvious why!! He must have to rewrite that stuff, too, which is dumb cause he should figure out the plot before wasting time writing all the descriptions, only to change a minor character journey choice or action, then does he have to rewrite the NEW DESCRIPTIONS, too?? Or dies he realise 'ok before I sit down and get absorbed into the layout of the palace /cerseis clothes and carpet design etc, I should make sure I want to stick with this plot.. ' hsles likelyd tired cause of the time WASTED writing the descriptions. The plot can be sorted out easily. In facts, fans have done great jobs, even CZcams videos of the ending they made up are brilliant - just use one of those! Like Hello the works done for you, George! But it's obviously the logged down with the descriptions! But that's his own fault and not an excuse cause I don't even want that crap, anyway! It clearly takes energy and time from the STORY. it's actually insane how long the descriptions of the forest in book 5, are. It takes 5 pages of theon looking at the wintery wood before the Ramsay marriage, then boom, chapter over. It was all looking at the trees and thinking of boring stuff, rather than the pace of what's actually happening, no action, no plot development (well, very little for the time it takes.. ) now times that by 50 and thats the book. It's full of shite like that. And worse, it ends on a cliffhanger.. no, make that 5 or so.. . It's just awful.
He should have been a set designer or costume designer! Lol. Not even kidding. It's just absurd!!
Unprofessional is an understatement. He should just cut the crap and the fat and write the plot. It's not too convoluted that you can't finish it in 20 years... It's not the Manhattan project or something. He's not some genius beyond us, people literally write better books all the time. Fans write better endings. He's not Stephen Hawking. I can't stand George's ego and 'oh it's just too intelligent and intense you fans don't get it!" Ugh yes we do! It's a FICTION STORY. you're just too daft to finish it, George, it's not too complex, only over blown and needlessly bloated, that's what it is! That's not complexity, that's total disorganisation and lack of focus. At least admit that, but no, he lacks all self awareness . It's so eàsily solved, George. People accomplish harder tasks all the time, get over yourself, George! And now it won't matter anyway cause No ending is worse than an ending...
Why don't people tell him This to his face?! Hello, problem solved! fans already gave you ideas, and stop with the stupid set window dressing and cut out new characters we already have too many and need to wrap up the plots you already started! At least finish one story, before you start another, and finish at least one character arc rather than none! Damn it. .. he has too much going at once, which slows it all down EVEN MORE. He doesn't need all these povs. The world building is just over the top. I have an imagination, dude, I know what a forest looks like just get on with the character plot end dialogue, that's the authors job, not to describe what the fashion of Westeros is! Jesus Christ 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️😩😩
GRRM is never gonna finish the series. I gave up on it. To be honest, I'm more excited about part two of Fire & Blood. I think that's gonna get released before WoW.
2 presidents latter
After book three the series kinda fell flat.
Definitely feels like that in hindsight.
Anyone who liked GOT and especially Arya's character needs to make the move to His Dark Materials. HBO and BBC did a great job with that adaptation!
Watching this in 2024 and realising how great your foresight was on the 2 presidents before TWOW releases. Theres still no release for it on the horizon now 😂 Absolutely no chance GRRM writes Dream of Spring or anything following it.
Was an easy one to predict, sadly.
I think most authors should stop at a trilogy. More than that, and you start seeing cracks in the foundation.
GRRM will not finish his series. He is 71. He takes 10+ years per book. He says 2 books to finish - this will bloat to 3-4.
I can already see book 6 coming out and him announcing the story has "evolved" to a point where can't finish it with book 7.
Of course he doesn't HAVE to finish it, but forever he will be remembered as the fraud who believed his own hype and ended up buying off more than he could chew, instead of finishing the main story ... It's not complicated. He overplayed his hand.
Well said.
Would he have finished it if the series never existed? I think so.
Eh I do not care anymore. After I finished First Law I don't care anymore.
2022 and WoW hasn't come out
Sorry . My bad. fire and ice IS Game of Thrones series I got lost 1/2 of book one.
No I dont care and Will not buy fire and blood or any of his shit before wow is out
That's how it should be. He's a jerk.
Such an overrated series. And yes, in talking about the books. I'm not excited because none of the preceding books were that great to me. Could be just a style thing but I never see what others did.
I liked the first three books but the last two were horrible bad...The publisher should have never published them like this. The show ending made m lose all interest in the characters and the lore. I didn't even hate the ending...it just made me indifferent.
Two presidents after Obama! haha it happened and we're still waiting.