Has Giannis or Jokic Passed Dirk As The European GOAT?

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  • čas přidán 23. 01. 2024
  • URBONUS’ Donatas Urbonas & Augustas Suliauskas discuss whether Giannis Antetokounmpo or Nikola Jokic already surpassed Dirk Nowitzki as the Greatest of All Time European player.
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  • @BasketNews_com
    @BasketNews_com  Před 3 měsíci +2

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  • @AlexDehaanTV
    @AlexDehaanTV Před 3 měsíci +19

    I think that Giannis and Jokic are already at the top spots in terms of European GOATS, not going through all their honours but the 2 NBA MVP's and NBA Titles that they both hold is elite. On top of the high likelihood that at least one of them adds a further MVP or NBA title to their resume.
    Luka is 100% on his way to their status too, but needs more time to accummalte those honours. I think in the future, we could say the same for Wembenyama.
    All respect to the European GOATS of the past, I love Dirk and Pau Gasol, but this new era is on a madness

  • @chanendlerbong
    @chanendlerbong Před 3 měsíci +33

    Giannis and Jokic are already European GOATs and Luka is gonna catch them soon, respect to Dirk but those two I think surpassed them

    • @aighty7216
      @aighty7216 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I agree to a certain point. They are 100% on the trajectory, but I also agree with the video that longevity is an important factor. So I think its better to compare them to Dirk when he was their age and I agree that Giannas and Jokic have surpassed him there.

    • @jay_kulina
      @jay_kulina Před 2 měsíci

      The game is way different now than what it was during Dirk's prime. The inflated stats is a real thing! Giannis and Nikola would not average what they average now, if they'd played in his era. Or vice-versa, Dirk would average more in today's NBA. Not just points, but assists and rebounds as well. They are on their way to surpassing him, they both can! But they HAVEN'T just yet!

  • @RafaelGarcia-eu4lp
    @RafaelGarcia-eu4lp Před 3 měsíci +2

    Giannis and Jokic still have to deliver in FIBA basketball, I don't feel the NBA is the only measure for this conversation, specially today when the rule changes have driven the NBA game in a different direction.
    And... these are my three favourite players ever; 😂

  • @astromigui
    @astromigui Před 3 měsíci +2

    Yes, and we should not forget the path Wemby is on. It's still a reach but it's Wemby so even him can start to be part of the discussion in a few years depending of how his career develops. In 5 years he might have the biggest peak any European player ever had

  • @endrityzeiraj
    @endrityzeiraj Před 2 měsíci

    I still think what Dirk did in 2006 and 2011 playoff runs keeps him at a higher level. He played and won against elite talent with elite teams, without home-court advantage. Giannis and Jokic don't have something similar to their resume.

  • @milanborovac
    @milanborovac Před 3 měsíci +1

    You forgot Dejan Bodiroga. The NBA is not the only benchmark if we are looking for the best European player in history. Also we have Radivoja Koraca, Toni Kukoca, Sabonisa, Drazena Petrovica.
    All of them can be included in the debate about the European GOAT in basketball

  • @umutsahin9195
    @umutsahin9195 Před 3 měsíci

    This is also about how we approach specifying the tier list. To me longevity, success in all competitions (olympics, european, world championships, NBA). This is why Gasol is still in top 2-3 in my opinion. Yes these three active players would be the top three when they are retire, whereas I do not see huge difference unless Luka gets chip in NBA and Giannis has national championships.

  • @innosanto
    @innosanto Před 2 měsíci

    I still consider Nowitzki till they do more with their national teams as he did many times and till they do more stuff single handedly which Nowitzki did in 2011 in NBA.

  • @andrejpetrovic8240
    @andrejpetrovic8240 Před 3 měsíci

    Jokic is not finished! The "GOAT" is yet to come!

  • @jonpetter8921
    @jonpetter8921 Před 3 měsíci

    So no mention about Tony Parker ? i can t believe it.

  • @ProletarianVanguard
    @ProletarianVanguard Před 3 měsíci +3

    Petrovic would score more than all of them

  • @NikkGala
    @NikkGala Před 3 měsíci +2

    Can’t argue that Dirk is European GOAT in NBA but what about Europeans who never played in the NBA? Who’s the all time European GOAT no matter where he played?

  • @wolfgangsebastian8357
    @wolfgangsebastian8357 Před 3 měsíci

    Not yet but very close.

  • @official_7313
    @official_7313 Před 3 měsíci

    Individually i think its Jokić. All the record breakings, making his Team better. Nobody is having sucha impact to their Teams like Jokić do.

  • @masquemovidas
    @masquemovidas Před 3 měsíci

    The main reason why I think Jokic is gonna be n1 and Giannis n2 is not because of titles, but longevity. Why? Because Jokic's game is about IQ, passes, making teammates better... and opposing to Giannis, he DOES NOT need physical strength to be great. In Giannis case, his better strength will also be his worst weakness

  • @user-mt9mt5ms9e
    @user-mt9mt5ms9e Před 3 měsíci +2

    Only TP to beat, which is unreachable

  • @spooky_ghost3206
    @spooky_ghost3206 Před 3 měsíci

    what about vlade divac and peja?

    • @zennihilator3724
      @zennihilator3724 Před 3 měsíci

      Great players, but you can not seriously compare two guys that have maybe peaked as Top 15-20 in the World, in their best years, with guys like Dirk, Giannis, Jokic... These three have done things we have never seen anyone do on a basketball court EVER.
      It would be one thing to say ''we don't know for sure'' because Vlade & Peja never played in the NBA and Dirk never played FIBA basketball, but we've seen them across both scenarios and Dirk is just superior. Dirk was carrying Germany to medals in 2002-2005, twice, playing with complete scrubs...

  • @dimitrijus83
    @dimitrijus83 Před 3 měsíci

    yes and no. in nba terms probably yes. but overhaul, they have to win gold with the national team to move in front of dirk

  • @adishabibija9585
    @adishabibija9585 Před 3 měsíci

    Dražen

  • @marijapetrovic3309
    @marijapetrovic3309 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Jokić is absolute GOAT 🐐

  • @ltop796
    @ltop796 Před 3 měsíci

    Those 2 guys took a bad organization and transformed them into champions..like Dirk did..for me they are at the same level

  • @ProfDrDrN0
    @ProfDrDrN0 Před 3 měsíci +3

    You got it exactly right. Dirk is still the european goat, but jokic is closing in fast and probably is going to end up as number one. Let's see about Giannis second half of his career. He already abandoned his very respectable 'do it yourself' approach by urging his team to trade for Lillard, and he had a very strong supporting cast when he won his first Chip. Dirk played the game the right way, and he earned his ring in 2011 with an amazing performance that was the culmination and sum of a lot of hard work and dedication, and it was great to watch!!!

  • @zdravkodren6286
    @zdravkodren6286 Před 3 měsíci

    Huge Jokic fan from Serbia here. For me, right now Gasol's case is strongest and purely because of his national team performances, guy has like 10-12 medals for Spain.

  • @lukacalov1988
    @lukacalov1988 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Jokic maybe
    Giannis isnt on that lvl in my opinion

  • @ispadispad8529
    @ispadispad8529 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Not yet, Giannis if far away from Dirk, Jokic can be better if he continue few more years like this, Doncic hardly but maybe

  • @athanasiosandreou3234
    @athanasiosandreou3234 Před 3 měsíci

    Now you're also engaging in these unimportant, nonsensical, and non-contributory debates. Please leave that to ESPN etc. outlets for the NBA

  • @zifix7971
    @zifix7971 Před 3 měsíci +7

    1. Nikola Jokic
    2. Giannis Antetokounpo
    3. Dirk Nowitzki
    4. Luka Doncic
    5. Drazen Petrovic
    6. Pau Gasol
    7. Tony Parker
    8. Arvydas Sabonis
    9. Domantas Sabonis
    10. Vlade Divac

  • @andreasgregoras624
    @andreasgregoras624 Před 3 měsíci

    I would say the European GOAT is Spanoulis. why are we just looking at the Europeans that play in the NBA?

  • @dr.IvoSanader
    @dr.IvoSanader Před 3 měsíci +4

    Jokić, Dirk, Giannis, Džanan Musa...

    • @greatness7619
      @greatness7619 Před 3 měsíci

      An average EuroLeague sf that just gets a lot of calls because he plays for Real Madrid next to hof players. That’s some nasty work

    • @dr.IvoSanader
      @dr.IvoSanader Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@greatness7619Musa>Dončić

    • @alexevic
      @alexevic Před 3 měsíci

      @@dr.IvoSanader not in this universe

    • @dr.IvoSanader
      @dr.IvoSanader Před 3 měsíci

      Im joking.

    • @alexevic
      @alexevic Před 3 měsíci

      @@dr.IvoSanader damn, you got me 😂

  • @needled87
    @needled87 Před 3 měsíci +3

    So dumb takes, both Giannis and Jokis won 2MVPs and Dirk only has one so they already have better resume

  • @freddyfox5002
    @freddyfox5002 Před 3 měsíci

    Dirk scored 48 on prime Iblaka in the playoffs vs a stacked Thunder
    That's like 75 points due to inflation

  • @miggyalejandro
    @miggyalejandro Před 3 měsíci

    Dirk being a dad and saying his son Luka will surpass him as the European goat.

  • @RomainDIPALMA
    @RomainDIPALMA Před 3 měsíci +2

    No love for TP? First and only european starting PG with 1 final MVP and 4 titles...he is not the EU goat for sure but not even an honorable mention in the video is a bit crazy...

    • @user-mt9mt5ms9e
      @user-mt9mt5ms9e Před 3 měsíci

      And 2013 Eurobasket MVP. They don't realize him is a European, I suppose)). And yeah, you can't find smaller market...

    • @jonpetter8921
      @jonpetter8921 Před 3 měsíci

      Underrated comment

  • @oaklandtraphouse
    @oaklandtraphouse Před 3 měsíci +2

    Dirk played against better competition in his era not this new soft nba

    • @mlrd2687
      @mlrd2687 Před 3 měsíci

      🤣

    • @SteveoDuhh
      @SteveoDuhh Před 3 měsíci

      Bro dumbest take I’ve ever seen Jokic and Giannis would kill in his era 😂

    • @oaklandtraphouse
      @oaklandtraphouse Před 3 měsíci

      @@SteveoDuhh I didn't say they wouldn't

  • @imulippo5245
    @imulippo5245 Před 3 měsíci

    European GOAT passer is Teemu Rannikko. :)

  • @vangelisp528
    @vangelisp528 Před 3 měsíci

    They are both close to become greater than Dirk , they need one more ring.The man who will be European Goat untill 2034 is fat and his name is Luka, keep it

  • @tebra643
    @tebra643 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Jokić all day EVERY DAY 💯

  • @TesseracTesseracT
    @TesseracTesseracT Před 3 měsíci +2

    This moment Dirk is the European Goat and it is very fair in my opinion. Nobody from that conversation has this career and had won prime Lebron,Wade,Bosh (please also value the work ethic,loyalty,never demanded trades or changing team). Jokic is 2nd and Giannis should never been to this conversation because it is an American product.

    • @gabepizza
      @gabepizza Před 3 měsíci

      How is he an American product?

    • @AlexDehaanTV
      @AlexDehaanTV Před 3 měsíci +2

      How is Giannis an american product!? He made his NBA debut at 18, Luka at 19, and Jokic at 20. None of them played any US high-school or college basketball and all of them were born and raised in Europe!

    • @TesseracTesseracT
      @TesseracTesseracT Před 3 měsíci

      @@gabepizza because has not have the fundamentals of European basketball.

    • @TesseracTesseracT
      @TesseracTesseracT Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@AlexDehaanTV he is more like embiid and not as close as jokic or Luka. The first two are from Africa and the other know all the fundamentals of European basketball.

    • @AlexDehaanTV
      @AlexDehaanTV Před 3 měsíci

      @@TesseracTesseracT Well Giannis was born and raised in Europe, sooo NO. Embiid has never even lived in Europe (why are we talking about him!?). In terms of stylistic play, I can understand from that perspective, but I don't think that should come into the conversation for European GOAT. Do we exclude Larry Bird from the American GOAT conversation because he had amazing fundamentals?

  • @Sasha402
    @Sasha402 Před 3 měsíci +1

    What is goat if you have not seen the older generation you can only speak about the " most successful player" from Europe ever. But when it comes to basketbal iq and the influence on the game Jokic and Drazen Petrovic for me are the 2 best .. Petrovic scored once 64 points in the final of Eurocup with Madrid. He shot the 3 point better than Steff Curry...those who have seen him play against Zalgiris and Sabonis know what im talking about.

  • @alexandreguimaraes4458
    @alexandreguimaraes4458 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Drazen Petrovic is The European Goat.
    There was a european national championship for Croácia that Drazen had 100% from 3s per game, except semifinal when he had 70%. He also had 10 assists per game.
    HE had 60+ in a european team final.
    Consider that back them stats were way lower. Drazen numbers were rude.
    Drazen was phenomenal!

  • @YoyoMane-ii6nc
    @YoyoMane-ii6nc Před 3 měsíci

    Jokić is the European Goat

  • @giuseppemaggio5894
    @giuseppemaggio5894 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Nowitzki never was the European GOAT. Drazen Petrovic is.

  • @Carlo64833
    @Carlo64833 Před 3 měsíci

    No shot dirk is still the euro GOAT