I BROKE THIS $650 SUB. And It Still Kept Going for How Long? | Review
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Really proud of you Parker. You’ve come so far. It’s really hard to find a box and or sun that can get both loud plus low. There is always a sacrifice of one for the other but I like how you try to find it
single zv6 18 in a 6th order….
@nigga7387 any sub that is capable for that matter. 6th order in general. You beat me to it. Lol. I bet that 18 gets crazy.
DD 9918 doing 150+ @ 28hz. You can have both. Regular aero port box that's wrong for the vehicle it's in too, still musters a 50 down low.
I considered these when I was buying new subs. But I wanted a 3 inch coil and hella xmax so I went with the sundown Xv3 12's. For the price, I think I made the right choice🤷♂️
I agree
i have 2 of these in a 6th order and for the money and the size of this sub, I am not happy. I am going to change the enclosure to see what happens. Funny thing is today I had some shit wood left , 2 audio pipe 12s (TXX-BDD2-12) and felt like tinkering. I threw together two front facing vented enclosures and the sound of the bass was amazing. I have nooooo idea what the enclosures i built today are tuned at, I just know it sounds better than these two monsters I have in my car. The box is so ugly I don't think I'd let somebody even see it.. lmaooo, but it sounds f__king good. I had to call my dad and tell him about this one, as he is the one who got me in to audio when I was a kid. I am 45 btw.. I literally eyeballed everything, and this thing had so much caulk and gorilla glue in it, probably gonna take 10 yrs to dry... LOL.. butttt it sounds better than these hippo 12s I have. LOL.
@@theone148 I say if it sounds good good go with it, you may be onto something. 🤷🏻♂️
@@princequestly2218 the sad part is I know I'm right. I've been doing stereo for a long time. The set up I have right now I could of done myself. But it would of took forever instead of 3 days or so like it did the stereo shop I'm trying to be better with my time so I paid my buddy who's been doing this for the same amount of time as I. I just know I can get more bass out of this subs.
for sure!
.5 cf³ bigger then recommended shouldn't have effected it that bad. With the huge volume that magnet takes up should have had it close to spec. Don't blame yourself for Massives quality.
I agree. My b2 called for 2.75- 3 cu ft/ net and I have it in a 5 cu ft box and send it full tilt.
I love how you own up to your environment and show it is not the product's fault. Teaching lesson in there too along with being real. I hope to you see at Ruckus this year. Are you going?
I’ll be there!!
I hope Massive Audio see's this, and uses a lot more glue/epoxy on their subwoofer's spider's in the future!? Great video parker❤️
Yeah, it looks like someone didn't glue down the bottom of that spider. Maybe it's to make for easier recone? But still, it should be glued to that ring better then.
note to self, if i buy a sub that has clamp n screws holding down the voice coil be sure to make sure the screws are nice n tight. Great video Parker. Parker i would love to see the spl this sub is hitting in the proper box.
Yep, and we also gotta be sure to make sure the spider's clamp ring screws are tightened all the way extra tight by tightening the fasteners. 🪛🔩🗜 This way the former isn't the only part being held by the clamp ring screws. 😂
I love that Parker never became the typical fan boy and stayed loyal to the fan’s
Yessir i appreciate it man!
Wow it was getting down for a bit thanks for the review parker we truly appreciate your channel continued success always my friend
Of course man! Thanks for commenting
I love massive audio subs❤ I had 8’s on massive 1600w amp and they pushed air like crazy now I have 2 massive 12 in a Ported box tune to 32hz on a 5000w power acoustic and when I say the base makes my back windshield dance, I’m not lying it’s crazy and the subs are only 1200w A piece massive audio, will forever hold a special place in my heart
I actually had 6 of these Hippo XL 1224R subs in my Tahoe in a properly ported box and they lasted about 10 days in competition before needing a recone. I've had much better experiences with Skar Audio than I did with Massive Audio.
@kychristell1779the subs should at least last from tax return time, to tax return time... 🫠
tax return time - 🤔, new kitchen appliances or, ................ new subwoofers???
in my case, new subwoofers, or balljoints.... my truck bumps hard as f in the driveway lol
🤷♂️
What was their failure point?
@kychristell1779I have some pretty expensive subs and a bunch of them in a build and the way I feel about it is if u pay say 1k for a woofer it is still worth 500 so u don't fully pay the full price for it and u get the enjoyment out of the woofer for the other 500, now if u blow it and recone it u would add the recone cost to the used price, this is why u should buy quality woofers they will always be wanted second hand
Im a rich kid with no budget. i have deep pockets and i actually have speakers set aside for future builds in my inventory.@kychristell1779
i had a B2 Audio Swan 14000 watt amp hooked to them running at 1 ohm on each channel wired in series-parallel running in a properly ported 6th order wall build. Even though they are rated at 3000 watts RMS, the box rise basically will destroy these subs on efficiency. They arent very efficient as most 4" voicecoil subs arent very efficient to say the least, it takes a massive amount of power to makes these subs show cone movementand they just cant take the power. The spiders are the first thing that pops on these subs. deeming the speakers useless.@@1-Six-dee
would really like to see you do a video of a FI audio hc series sub
Massive hippo 84xl 8” sub is the subwoofer that got me back into car audio. I put it in my sons first car and man that thing banged.
I would like to see you check out the Toro subs please.
I did one back a few years ago!
@@ParkerTheBasshead thx ill go find it
I've got this same sub in an oversized box and it fuckin' slams.
i used to run the 2 of the 15 inch versions and they held up perfect until i sold them....that black coil in there is super nice and they will take 1500 watts rms all day...at the time i clamped 2986 and they were super musical i think you just got a dud from the factory possibly
I was actually heavily considering this sub & the equivalent from DS18. After seeing this video & a few others i decided on the Avatar STU instead. Something about Massive didn't sit right so i passed. I went with the avatar because of all the videos of the abuse they can take & still keep pushing. Thanks for the video Parker👍💯👍
I want to see him do a rockford t2 sub or t3
You should review the sundown audio u15v2 sub or the v1 little pricy but would be a great video.
a friend of mine has 2 of the hippo 10's in his ride on a bass 8k doing 146 and sound pretty solid too. great video parker 👍💪
I wonder if that large coil has an impact on the impedance rise, it is a part of inductance and more area on the coil could be a factor
I've bought 2 massive audio subs now and both had issues within 6 mo. First one was a slim the surround unglued from the cone the second a hippo 8 that the terminal leads came off the spider 🤷
I had issues with massive products too, it seems they just suck
Great review. Would like to see soundstream x5 tested at some point. I have 2 15's ran by the 6000 hifonics Brutus, clarion crossover, soundstream preamp, and audio control epicenter and it takes it all. Slams violently.
Hold your voice down in here 👀 I'm saving up for those 🤫😅... How's the upper range/transient response on those soundstream x5's? I'm looking for a sub that will play low but also have enough BL/motor force to get punchy
@Djsmartguy I'm not sure tbh I got the frequency on my crossover set between 30-35 hz. I'm a low end kinda guy but maybe I could set it higher for a bit just to find out. I found these on a clearance sale for like 450-475 each. Regular price is like 675-700. Still cheaper than many of the other heavyweights.
I like Hifonics Amps too their mean
I like the look of Massives subs
I have a massive hippo 8” in my truck with a custom box and I use a skar rp1200 for it it’s impressive for 1tiny sub in a 4Runner
Nice man!!
Nice subwoofer. They should of used more glue on the spider when they built these subwoofers.
Facts i have 2 the spiders did the same thing
Massive audio is actually a good brand :)
Hate to say this but they r just a sticker slapper of a company
@@1-Six-deethey all are in some form or fashion 😌
Never had an issue with their subs
@j.wright5918 nope there good to me as well
Was waiting for this
Would really love to see parker testing out some south African brand subs and amps such as starsound and targa ect
Man I was just thinking about that king city box love that thing ! Again that subs a beast but I’m not a fan of massive subs . Sick video !
I almost bought two 15s last year, went wth a Zv6 15 instead... Great video.
Gotta do a Memphis VIV14
I like to test with the JL Audio JX 1000.D see what subs they can't take. I have this Amp it blew 2 American Bass 15s and a Orion rated at 1300rms 2600 max and blew that to.
I always wanted to run two massive hippo 12's I'm still not fully through the video but based on your review and your video will tell me if I'm going with this sub or another one that I'm thinking of stay up and stay Bassin brother, 🔊🔊🤙🏼
Be pretty cool to see a blow through build on the truck or a wall
I am gonna do one soon
You should try the mini d ohm subwoofer
Getting my system hooked back up this week. So stoked, my electrical system is X2 x3 What I need so Its gonna be awesome
U need a temp gun so u can show coil temp that would be good to know
I actually just got one yesterday!
Between 9:30-10-30 that's just rattling, is it the camera or the sub has alot of rattles, mechanical noise?
Impedance with frequency is a function of the driver's TSP parameters and the enclosure. In case of a ported box the impedance rises when the port starts to stop loading the enclosure below or above the tuning of the box.
As someone who understands some speaker driver engineering i really don't understand why the Spiders have to be that extremely stiff. When it's new out the box ok.. After hours of playing though? not so much. Even rock hard PA driver's are broken in after a few hours. Stiff suspension is good for some designs though not when they are so stiff that they eat energy and tear themselves off their mounting plate.
Super curious how different this would sound compared to my 2 l7 12's
Had these for 2 years in a ported box I just busted them in my 4th order box they played good for 2 weeks shook houses set off alarms almost cracked my front window went to battle and pushed them too hard now have 2 12 Godzilla AB’s
Parker getting almost 5x impedance rise, is the reason why you would get this Bass Series of Smart amplifiers, and wire them to 1/2 ohm, like their rated, to help combat high impedance rise. Parker being wired @ 1 ohm, and rise to 5 ohm approx.,= approx. 2,800 watts. If parker was able to wire to 1/2 ohm, with 5x impedance rise,= 2.5 ohm power, would= approx. 7,200 watts= a huge difference! This is why i suggest the Bass Smart series= (factory rated 1/2 ohm stable)= 1/2 ohm wired, with 4x impedance rise= 2 ohm power= 8,100 watts for this series, @ 2 ohms, vs the Regular= full range Smart series= (only 1 ohm stable, factory rated)= 1 ohm wired, with 4x impedance rise= 4 ohm power= 5,100 watts for this series, @ 4 ohm. 4x impedance rise is about normal.
Yeah unfortunately this sub was a D2
@@ParkerTheBassheadYes, i understand, was just making the point for other's, to expect this kind of impedance rise. Also showing why the 1/2 ohm stable Bass Smart series shines vs the regular full range Smart series.
I know a guy running 6x15s and it goes alright, only a 153@42 iirc
When you say the screws on the spider ring “snapped” as in they are one time use only? How are you supposed to recone it if the screws will always “snap”?
That is a good questions
I think Parker raises red-tailed hawks
Massive gives you measurements and specs to build boxes. The exact dimensions and such. Lets see if Parker put it in a too big box. Again.
well he did it right the second time and the spider coming undone was unexpected. but an easy repair, reminds of the the EM Audio Giga Sub.
Dry firing a sub with 900+ watts is torture.
Man somebody was thinking when they made that Playlist to break in your subs I like that😊
FYI: (as you said it) x-mech (like metch ) is actually pronounced like ‘meck’, as it’s short for mechanical. Cheers
Ohhh good to know! Thanks man
Can't understand if it's a 1 ohm speaker, why send 3 ohm signal
Pinky & The Brain. "Gee Parker what do you want to do today, same thing we do every night, try to destroy some subs."
Thanks Parker great content video audio commentary tutorial demo editing as always blue collar dude for us blue collar fans much appreciated
Bass in ya face 🔊🔊💨💨💨🤯
I love your videos, Parker you’re the reason I got a Tara amp smart 3K but now it’s flashing protect red light even when the truck is turned off, I’ve tried unhooking it and re-hooking it up but it’s still not working. What could be wrong
I would love to see you test a FI MT 12 on that 12 k
I have two of them. I upgraded from these massive subs. They take 4500 rms all day.
Another good review! Thanks Parker!
I appreciate you!
Hii Parker , i think you should try the Ice Power 812 from SA , rated at 4000w RMS :)
good vid, I like how you ran that one and the review after the run
Great review Parker keep them coming
3k is a load imo on continuous power as a RMS the don't get me wrong I'd bump that sub if I had 1 but Massive Audio seems like a good company
Gotta weigh the coper it self to properly compare skyhigh is loosely wound, looks like the massive is wound tightly
I actually still have one of those always loved it in my 6th order
I have a friend that has 2 8" massive for $100, guess i should pick them up gor that price.
Test rockford fosgate t1 12 i just bought one on a rockford fosgate t1 1500 wat and slaps hard all day
Massive hippo XL 152r 3000 rms vs ground zero 15 spl Xmax flex 3000 rms 70mm xmax...gas gpx 380 d1 2.300 rms?
I had a fi neo 4.11 18 spider came apart i just glued it back no more problems
Great review Great Video PTB
I appreciate it!!
Playing really, low below tunning. And having very low quality glue joints. Its not surprising the glue joint failed. The motor is really strong on that sub, but the soft parts arent so great. A after market recone and proper glue joints would help alot. But nothing is gonna stop the sub from ripping itself apart when your unloading
Not enough air space in that box for that subb, videos are always appreciated though 👍🏾.
Wait.... I thought these smart amps are supposed to fight box rise, ohm rise? This is this first time I've seen it not putting out its wattage at all ohms... Wasn't even close to 8k not even 4? Can someone explain?
a normal amp lets say a bass 8k will make 8k at 1 ohm if its the one ohm version, it will make roughly half that power at 2 ohms and half the power it makes at 2 ohm at 4 ohms. a smart amplifier will make on the smart 8k its rated power at 1 ohm and will also make 8k at 2 ohms to help combat impedance rise. he was rising to about 5 or so ohms so the output absorbed by the speaker is a good bit less. you can calculate with watts law and ohms law at 5 ohm with the know output voltage of the amplifier and you see the wattage you are seeing on his video. the higher your rise the less power so to speak. the smart will only hold its power within an ohm or 2 change in rise from your sub.
the amp's smart tech is in the range of .5 ohm - 2 ohm...
when the subwoofer is rising 4+ohms, its a good indicator that the sub enclosure is not within the subs ts parameters...
for example, a non smart amp thats rated for 3k at 1 ohm, will be rated about 1500 at 2ohm..
so from .5 ohm-2ohm, there is about a 1500 watt fluctuation..
the smart amp, (for example) is rated 3k at .5ohm-2ohm...
so if you wire sub at .5ohm, you will get all 3k watts, up to 2ohms in rise..
hope that made sense
@@bdc211 yes the sub is reactive ac component it will change its impedance due to many factors but box size is one of them also there is no .5 ohm smart 8k or smart 3k .5 is doubling the load on any 1 ohm minimum amp thus effectively wanting twice the power the amp can provide overloading the amp. if your talking about hooking up .5 dc ohm static load on a one ohm amp that is ok as long as it rises to 1 ohm or better during play back of any frequency that's how people get away with doing that. the .5 sub load will change as soon as signal hits that sub upwards, you run a smart amp on a true .5 ohm (like a resistive fixed load or even too many subs rising below 1 ohm) load its going to destroy the amp in a short amount of time. if you say the power is the same on the amp from .5 to 2 ohms or even 1 ohm please explain id love to hear about it. its the same from 1-2ohms
@@bdc211 yeah but he had it wired to one he them he said
There speakers rock. Can’t kill them
i have been looking into them thanks for the review
Yessir!
For $650 that sub better be nearly indestructible. That 10+ minute display was impressive as all hell though.
I have 2 of them ... love them
On a 8k taramp
That is awesome man! I get it gets down 💪🏼
Looks like they cheeped out and didn't put CA glue under the top spider before they screwed the ring down.
Hey Parker of all the videos I have seen with u I haven't seen any for shallow mount subs. With my vehicles that's about all I can use and I have no idea what's decent without your opinion!
That sub was stifffff before some break-in... WoW 🤯
This sub doesn’t seem typical for massive. I had two kilos and they are 1000rms and twelves also and I had them running on a jp 63 before my team 18 came and they took a beating. One blew eventually but I was abusing the shit out of them. They took there peak power for a month straight though guaranteed from the jp63 at 1ohm is rated 6300 so easily gave them the four thousand many times id think. My friend has four hippos 15” and has four of those Taramps smart 8k’s on them and burps 165.something at 45hz so I just think you got a lemon. The new guy built that one lol.
Parker will you do a review on a sundown U v2 12
I have evening looking into getting a U!
@@ParkerTheBasshead We are on the same page! Would love to see a review on the U v2 12!
Hey parker I love your videos I have a 15 inch to this sub they don't like under 32 hz and they are design to play in a small enclosure like the sundown u .my opinion on this sub is that it plays good but the only problem is that certain frequencies doesn't respond good on the sub and it's not really a everyday low bass driver
The u definitely isn't a low end sub but it is a great musical woofer
@@1-Six-deeI disagree the u sounds horrible on music it's more of a burp quality woofer
@@CompactAudiodesigns I have seen a lot of ppl like this woofer for a musical woofer but not man ppl keep then long because it has now lows
@@1-Six-dee I had this sub it does play low it plays down to 26 hz but why would u buy a spl sub to play lows it's not meant to do that it all goes back to people not knowing about music and how it works and what kinda bass they are looking for
@@CompactAudiodesigns 26hz isn't low to me. It may be to others. But the fs of this sub makes it great for Jazz and rock music that is why I say it is a pretty good musical sub
Oh no! Killed spider pack. Playing sub well below tuned freq of enclosure :(
Would love to see a giveaway on either one of the bass 8k’s or that really nice deaf bonce 3012r I also think I good video could be a review of one of Deaf Bonce’s 35 or 45 series subs
Are you doing a 2nd vid on this?
Now you got to try out the DB 12k since you did the hippo
How do I get one of those usb's that break in track is great I gotta break in a couple new subs soon
www.djdirtybass.com
Looks a bit like a DD Redline 712 or 812 !
would love to see u do a review on one of the audio dynamics 6000 15s
I have the 15 It hits!
You can find those speaker pods at the dollar store in the pet isle
food & water bowl holders😬 😬😁😁
Cool been waiting for this one🔉🔊😖 🔉🔉
So a 3k 50/60 hertz spl beast??? I'm surprised it didn't have a larger Xmax for the power rating
Do you got that 6.0 built or is it stock?
Bulletproofed
@@ParkerTheBasshead LMAO. That could mean anything, so I guess stock. Wellman make sure at the very least you install a set of head studs on it. Best to get the 625+ steel. The 2000's are bit softer.
Pls do an Fi audio sub next
Massive is either a hit or miss imo. With that being said for the $ the sub that rival this one is the resilient sound onyx. 4" coil, 2500 watts rms 5k peak. 62 lbs for the 12" and around 80 lbs for the 15".
40 Hz tuning?
That's how they get that rating that high.
I have two massive audio hippo 15s they been going strong for 8 years now no problem at all and i have two massive audio Gordo 15s people are always trying to buy them borh subs are great
My x15 v3 on b2 rage 4500.1 crazy underpowered does 141.72db on 29hz. Not clipping. I have way too less power.
Is that the coil bottoming out? What's the noise?
That and the rear glass in the truck makes a lot of noise
I have two of these in a bandpass, coming from American bass 15 xfl’s, i wonder how these compare to the godfather’s by American bass 🤔
That hippo needs a very specific tune to get the performance... Not for an average build.
What’s the biggest ported box I can go on a single fosgate p3d2-12. It will be tuned at 30hz. Powered by a fosgate prime 750
I have this sub still haven't got it to its full potential because I believe I need to swap out my alternator do have an extra battery though but yes if you get it make sure you fill out the warranty paper because the foam ripped on mine after about 4 months of having it😢
Fi aubio X v4 15 d2 review please. Great video as always dude.