I don’t really think Ian Connor has a relevancy anymore in the fashion atmosphere today but I do think that he was very important in almost re-introducing things to a younger demographic at the time about three or four years ago that today we have grown into almost a renaissance of being aware of new and old brands
It's just the marketing of the brand. Frat bros love the association that Sicko has with late 2010's rap culture, due to Ian's celebrity friends wearing the brand (e.g. Ye, Rocky, Yachty, Virgil and Carti). When you wear a Sicko shirt you don't give too many fucks about high fashion culture, it's like wearing a band tee. It's a statement piece to identify yourself as a part of that culture.
Dont think people would understand this but there’s this toxicity aspect to wearing it for some people. 1. They know that theyll rarely see people wear it b/c it’s “bad” not in terms of looks but in terms of message and 2. they feel some type of power knowing that ppl view the wearer in a negative way but wont go and say it to them in public so they continue to wear it anyway. Online theyll obviously get flamed. Idk if i explained it well but it is for edgy people like when someone wears something obscene or graphic in public to incite a reaction
Idk, you gotta keep in mind 99% of people in most cities in the world will have no idea what sicko is or even look at it twice, it's pretty niche, there's a lot of layers from fashion, to streetwear, to if you even ever liked rap music that will make it less of a chance you know who Ian is. I also don't think anyone wearing sicko really thinks anyone who knows what it is actually is gonna feel that strongly about a random guy wearing a t shirt.. My opinion majority of people wearing Sicko are just very influenced by the people around them/the people they follow on the internet who they think are cool. I don't think even frat bros are walking around like "hahaha that guy looked at my Sicko shirt I bet he's so mad I'm still repping this and supporting Ian haha swag, sorry I'm a Sicko soldier bro hahahahaha" lol
Kinda reminds me of westwoods seditionaries in regard to ur 2nd point if that’s the case but with sicko it just has no underlying meaning to the offensive designs n graphics no substance
The shirt you referenced was a Joy Divizn collab so it might’ve been 100% Phoenix’s idea since he’s way more accustomed to low culture. Dude even said he takes nostalgia from his childhood and puts it on clothes
Joy Divizn is still pretty much the same in that they are just slapping edgy text and graphics on blanks that they think are cool. This goes for VLONE aswell, but at least joy divizn has more than one graphic.
I dont care about sicko but there has to be atleast one more section of what constitutes good art, there is so much good art that wouldn't fit into either of these, The Ramones, DS2 or Playboi Carti are examples in music of what sicko I think aims for in fashion it is not technically impressive or has a big meaning or concept behind it but they speak to more simple and viceral entertainment maybe also linked with overall aesthetic and ethos with the movement they represent having depth but not the pieces by themselves. I don't think Sicko achieves this category either but I would argue some eras of Supreme do for example, you could also argue someone like Hedi Slimane achieves this.
I mean that gets into the (probably pretty snobby) question about if that would be considered "good art" so to speak. Especially in fashion I don't personally think something needs to be "good art" to be worthwhile, and so can accept that category as not necessarily "good art" but still relevant culturally and not necessarily bad. But that's kinda semantics at that point.
Sicko is pop culture art ON STEROIDS. That Pokémon tee is just a pop culture reference on top of a pop culture reference with no meaning behind it. It’s exactly what pop culture art originally was critiquing
I was thinking about this for a past couple of days. I'm starting a brand, and i still don't even have the name because i thought I need a message of the brand, that then I can name the brand according to the message
To say it’s not good art is kinda wild , because the intent behind the art is to make stuff that looks cool. The thing about art is that it doesn’t have to mean anything or be well made.. even if it isn’t an expression for Ian himself, it may be an expression for the wearer. Art is meant to be given meaning by those who experience it , regardless of what it may mean to the creator. I think your disdain for Ian kinda jaded how you defined art , OR you may need to re-evaluate your idea of what art actually is.
It’s Mew, not Mewtwo. But I doubt ian Connor even that knew that either. Good video tho I def think it’s a discussion worth having. I like the way you broke down the categories.
@@jensumoreno1356 He has many designs where he would rip characters off of '90s rave posters and artists that share actual homage to the year 2000s appeal and slaps the sicko logo onto it. He's not "flipping" the original designs, He is still pretty much copy and pasting the art with little to no meaning or story behind it. It's pretty much because he thinks it looks cool. He's not using the art with any intention on making it any better or worse, he's just too lazy. The main logo isn't a logo flip. He just used the bjork font and just put sicko without adding any improvements. That's 100% a ripoff.
@@cowboy1980 that literally is a parody lmao theres no "bjork font" its a logo and they parodied the logo just like supreme and plenty of streetwear brands do and have done for decades. I don't like the clothes and completely agree that there's no artistic value in it but people act like they have this ha gotcha moments by saying "he stole from bjork" when its very very obviously a play off the logo. Its not trying to hide the fact either
the sicko shirt u referenced was a joy divizn collab, so i think from the jump there was no real valuable artistic statement on ian's end; he just took his logo and one of joy's logos and put one on top of another and called it a day lol
that part if there’s no art you can’t separate the art from the artist is fire but whenever do you want to buy some thing and the artist has accusations if you like it then buy it if you don’t then don’t buy it not buying something because with somebody in the past is funny because the same people who will go under his comments and type in 22 are the same people who were posting Ukraine videos every day when they are very friendly Nazi place as well as not being the fondest of Black people two wrongs don’t make a right but if you’re gonna do that too did James Franco‘s R. Kelly Bari do it to Chanel Tommy Hilfiger Quentin Tarantino and a lot more
great video but i highly think ian would think this deep intentionally, im sure he just really liked it and referenced it and it just coincidentally makes sense when you put it in this context ngl
Ian is a styling genius which we all know. Sicko as a whole is really a nod to Bape in the good old days and where Nigo left off. Bape obviously from the past who would create spin-offs on famous silhouettes. Sicko is technically a startup streetwear, with surprisingly great quality tees, hoodies and sweats. Being limited by finances this is some of the best perspectives on a t-shirt and sweats. I believe in the future we will be seeing more experimental factors to his clothes
@@silk3142 In my head Sickö is set in a world where everything is oversexualized. Our morals in our reality doesn’t exist in Sickös reality. Everything is a green light there. Ex Sickö has a graphic tee of two baby monkeys in sex positions. That graphic is sorta weird to the public bc normal ppl focus too much on connotations. I like the design tho. When u focus less on connotation and start focusing more on how Ian is showing u the world he is creating then it becomes art. Bc Ian is building a world, and each piece he releases I get a glimpse into it more. Or maybe Ian jus likes sex and expresses that through clothing. Either way I still support it.
I think it's pretty obvious Sicko is just a way for Ian to get rich, but personally I think there's something to the "born from pain", it's very simple..But there's something to it, and I don't mean in the sense that Ian's a genius or he put a lot of thought into the phrase. I think it's something everybody can relate to, you get fucked over/played enough times you start fucking people over and playing people. We're all born as innocent kids who know nothing, and still somehow people grow up to killing their own family members/random people out of anger. People grow up getting abused by their parents, and then go onto abuse their kids when they have them. People get m0lested when they're children, and then go on to repeat the cycle to other children (very common). We were all innocent kids before something fucked us up enough to change certain things about ourselves, or the way we carry ourselves. I personally resonate with "born from pain" and I think that with the phrase along with an artistically cool recognizable font like Bjork, it's not too hard to see the appeal. But I also think a lot of people who wear it's thought process is more like "guy I think is cool wore this so it's cool" lol
I feel like it’s not a very deep message but u didn’t even talk about the born from pain part and how this could maybe relate more to ian connor’s childhood and life in the streets
My guy you got it wrong bro Ian def knows and knew who Bjork was b4 Sicko if you followed his come up he’s a big Alt music fan and was deeply into Bjork and other similar artists and also when it comes to this high art low art concept he literally is one of that main ppl that bridged the gap between luxury & street in the 2010s that’s his whole thing that’s what made him popular I suggest you do a lot more research on Ian.
Sicko has crazy community, look at fan-made videos or arts on sicko, community is very important part of it brand. Also i think Drizzy wouldn’t write song about poor shit (:
I don’t really think Ian Connor has a relevancy anymore in the fashion atmosphere today but I do think that he was very important in almost re-introducing things to a younger demographic at the time about three or four years ago that today we have grown into almost a renaissance of being aware of new and old brands
nah he back now kanye reveived him
He's still selling
It's just the marketing of the brand. Frat bros love the association that Sicko has with late 2010's rap culture, due to Ian's celebrity friends wearing the brand (e.g. Ye, Rocky, Yachty, Virgil and Carti).
When you wear a Sicko shirt you don't give too many fucks about high fashion culture, it's like wearing a band tee. It's a statement piece to identify yourself as a part of that culture.
Most people are wearing fake Sicko anyway
yes literally
Thank you somebody with common sense
And to add to that, identifying with part of a culture isn’t a bad thing either. People online act like everyone needs to be a lone wolf.
I disagree, art is something that makes you feel something.
And sicko has always made me feel sick
Ian would love this
wooorrd
So u actually agree
That’s just Ian’s stink getting on the garments. He stunk up the entire pink dolphin factory with smegma when he collabed with them. 🤮
Dont think people would understand this but there’s this toxicity aspect to wearing it for some people. 1. They know that theyll rarely see people wear it b/c it’s “bad” not in terms of looks but in terms of message and 2. they feel some type of power knowing that ppl view the wearer in a negative way but wont go and say it to them in public so they continue to wear it anyway. Online theyll obviously get flamed. Idk if i explained it well but it is for edgy people like when someone wears something obscene or graphic in public to incite a reaction
I remember someone on twitter said he wears revenge storm bc it makes ppl mad but they cant do anything to him in real life
Idk, you gotta keep in mind 99% of people in most cities in the world will have no idea what sicko is or even look at it twice, it's pretty niche, there's a lot of layers from fashion, to streetwear, to if you even ever liked rap music that will make it less of a chance you know who Ian is. I also don't think anyone wearing sicko really thinks anyone who knows what it is actually is gonna feel that strongly about a random guy wearing a t shirt.. My opinion majority of people wearing Sicko are just very influenced by the people around them/the people they follow on the internet who they think are cool. I don't think even frat bros are walking around like "hahaha that guy looked at my Sicko shirt I bet he's so mad I'm still repping this and supporting Ian haha swag, sorry I'm a Sicko soldier bro hahahahaha" lol
Kinda reminds me of westwoods seditionaries in regard to ur 2nd point if that’s the case but with sicko it just has no underlying meaning to the offensive designs n graphics no substance
You better know Karsten always giving us the content we want
It’s mew
Great video, I didn’t expect to learn analyzing art with the Vonnegut Effect optic on a video about Sicko lmao
maybe the real artistic vision of sicko is the friends we made along the way
Is stealing bjork’s logo and slapping it on gildan tees really that genius?
Ummm who else had done it before Ian tho?
@@nick.charaz9661 björk
Nah, thumbnail is just clickbaity. Sorry it’s hard to get people to click on educational videos these days
Literally CZcamss cancer algo only plays off stress
It’s not gilden tho. More like LA apparel
This a whole essay and i love it
bro his new shit is crazy, definitely holds artistic value. the sicko hoodies that u can turn into a bag . chef’s kiss.
The shirt you referenced was a Joy Divizn collab so it might’ve been 100% Phoenix’s idea since he’s way more accustomed to low culture. Dude even said he takes nostalgia from his childhood and puts it on clothes
Joy Divizn is still pretty much the same in that they are just slapping edgy text and graphics on blanks that they think are cool. This goes for VLONE aswell, but at least joy divizn has more than one graphic.
@@g-wiz2953 vlone?
Mewtwo? Seriously?
Thank you Karsten, very sick video!
Great video,definitely gotta see more of this
Wale up bby Karsten uploaded😩
I dont care about sicko but there has to be atleast one more section of what constitutes good art, there is so much good art that wouldn't fit into either of these, The Ramones, DS2 or Playboi Carti are examples in music of what sicko I think aims for in fashion it is not technically impressive or has a big meaning or concept behind it but they speak to more simple and viceral entertainment maybe also linked with overall aesthetic and ethos with the movement they represent having depth but not the pieces by themselves. I don't think Sicko achieves this category either but I would argue some eras of Supreme do for example, you could also argue someone like Hedi Slimane achieves this.
I mean that gets into the (probably pretty snobby) question about if that would be considered "good art" so to speak. Especially in fashion I don't personally think something needs to be "good art" to be worthwhile, and so can accept that category as not necessarily "good art" but still relevant culturally and not necessarily bad. But that's kinda semantics at that point.
The guy in the vid doesn’t know what he is talking about tbh. “Highly culture “ “low culture” that doesn’t even make sense
Really liked the analysis in the middle.
great video! really improving editing and demeanor on camera
It's been a long tiiimee since you make rhis kind of video, great content
But yeah in short, Ian is a hack tho. And so many so called streetwear startups cashing out sicko aesthetic are just plain stupid.
Ngl, you’re looking way too into it. Stop huffing that Aesop Rick soap 💀
Lmao
Sicko is pop culture art ON STEROIDS. That Pokémon tee is just a pop culture reference on top of a pop culture reference with no meaning behind it. It’s exactly what pop culture art originally was critiquing
what hoodie are you wearing ???
Bro u missed it. Sicko. The art of it is in Ian living his life.
really liked the part u did on margiela
he throwin them hands around
how dare you call yeat low culture
Do not define art.
I was thinking about this for a past couple of days. I'm starting a brand, and i still don't even have the name because i thought I need a message of the brand, that then I can name the brand according to the message
Babe wake up! Karsten dropped a new vid 🥳🥳🥳🥳
To say it’s not good art is kinda wild , because the intent behind the art is to make stuff that looks cool. The thing about art is that it doesn’t have to mean anything or be well made.. even if it isn’t an expression for Ian himself, it may be an expression for the wearer. Art is meant to be given meaning by those who experience it , regardless of what it may mean to the creator. I think your disdain for Ian kinda jaded how you defined art , OR you may need to re-evaluate your idea of what art actually is.
Yes it looks good, but its all inspired / almost taken from Bjork? Makes it feel super unoriginal to me, even if it looks good.
@@oliverviscoli that’s because you’re too young to realize that everything is a copy of a copy
It’s Mew, not Mewtwo. But I doubt ian Connor even that knew that either. Good video tho I def think it’s a discussion worth having. I like the way you broke down the categories.
Yea he prob didnt because that was a collab with his intern Joydivzn or Phoenix
To be fair Ian/Virgil and that whole crowd been posting screen shots of them listening to Bjork for years . Before sicko I believe
Great video tho bro
It’s literally just the second coming of Pyrex
Great analysis 🔥🔥
You should play the guitar as an intro sometime
I cant stop buying sweatpantssssss from them
insane video and insight :)
Frat boys don’t wear sicko they wear essentials
Rei Kawakubo would love South Park
Rei Kawakubo would love Golem
Alot of the art on sicko is stolen too.
Referencing and parody ≠ stolen streetwear brands have been doing this for decades
@@thuggathuggababy sicko isn't referencing
Out of curiosity what logos were stolen? The stuff that aren’t flips but actually stolen logos just curious?
@@jensumoreno1356 He has many designs where he would rip characters off of '90s rave posters and artists that share actual homage to the year 2000s appeal and slaps the sicko logo onto it. He's not "flipping" the original designs, He is still pretty much copy and pasting the art with little to no meaning or story behind it. It's pretty much because he thinks it looks cool. He's not using the art with any intention on making it any better or worse, he's just too lazy. The main logo isn't a logo flip. He just used the bjork font and just put sicko without adding any improvements. That's 100% a ripoff.
@@cowboy1980 that literally is a parody lmao theres no "bjork font" its a logo and they parodied the logo just like supreme and plenty of streetwear brands do and have done for decades. I don't like the clothes and completely agree that there's no artistic value in it but people act like they have this ha gotcha moments by saying "he stole from bjork" when its very very obviously a play off the logo. Its not trying to hide the fact either
The kerning on the sicko logo is making my OCD go crazy.
Great presentation
Bro please make the background music slightly lower
I still wanna cop some does anybody know any good retail websites? Grailed censors Sïcko sales
i thought you would’ve talked about rexglobal and the devil they use
Karsten is confirmed a sicko head 😈
y u tryna move like bliss foster
the sicko shirt u referenced was a joy divizn collab, so i think from the jump there was no real valuable artistic statement on ian's end; he just took his logo and one of joy's logos and put one on top of another and called it a day lol
Lol but its just a pokemon character not altered in anyway
So its not really his own logo
i absolutely love this chanel
I’m more of a Dior guy myself
best video i watched today
carti actually slide for him so ian the 🐐 no 🧢
that part if there’s no art you can’t separate the art from the artist is fire
but whenever do you want to buy some thing and the artist has accusations if you like it then buy it if you don’t then don’t buy it
not buying something because with somebody in the past is funny because the same people who will go under his comments and type in 22 are the same people who were posting Ukraine videos every day when they are very friendly Nazi place as well as not being the fondest of Black people
two wrongs don’t make a right but if you’re gonna do that too did James Franco‘s R. Kelly Bari do it to Chanel Tommy Hilfiger Quentin Tarantino and a lot more
"Hot tae couture"
His graphics aren't designed by him.
What does sicko mean?
So is supreme or bape art?!
You should watch the videos on objectivity in art from patricia taxxon
You’ve probably been corrected on this already, but that’s Mew, not Mewtwo.
To be perfectly honest, I don't think you can define good art at all.
Right? Either that or he’s thinking too much deep about it
great video but i highly think ian would think this deep intentionally, im sure he just really liked it and referenced it and it just coincidentally makes sense when you put it in this context ngl
got to the end of the video now lmao 🤣🤣🤣
a simple no woulda sufficed
Great video omg
damn what about my boy jean basquiat
Great video fr fr but that Pokémon is mew not mewtwo
I love your Videos
Me clicking on the video
Also me a second later: who is Ian connor
Ian is a styling genius which we all know. Sicko as a whole is really a nod to Bape in the good old days and where Nigo left off. Bape obviously from the past who would create spin-offs on famous silhouettes. Sicko is technically a startup streetwear, with surprisingly great quality tees, hoodies and sweats. Being limited by finances this is some of the best perspectives on a t-shirt and sweats. I believe in the future we will be seeing more experimental factors to his clothes
Certainly
I love sicko but bro 💀 literally every design he has is stolen
Do you think new brands like Rough Simmons is utilizing the Vonnegut Effect to some degree?
So Margiela can be a fan of South Park but there is no way Ian Connor could be a fan of Bjork?
explain the south park & margiela part im mad curious?
@@silk3142watch the video
@@silk3142 12:10
I recommend less melodic songs for the background music it’s kinda busy
I mean art is too opinion based to completely disregard Sickö. Some people may see his pieces and can put together a story. Ik I can.
what’s the story you put together?
@@silk3142 In my head Sickö is set in a world where everything is oversexualized. Our morals in our reality doesn’t exist in Sickös reality. Everything is a green light there. Ex Sickö has a graphic tee of two baby monkeys in sex positions. That graphic is sorta weird to the public bc normal ppl focus too much on connotations. I like the design tho. When u focus less on connotation and start focusing more on how Ian is showing u the world he is creating then it becomes art. Bc Ian is building a world, and each piece he releases I get a glimpse into it more. Or maybe Ian jus likes sex and expresses that through clothing. Either way I still support it.
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"hawtay kootour"🤓
bee-erk like jerk, not bee-ork
All the research and reflecting just to say Mewtwo at 6:48 :(
nice vid
not mewtwo, just mew
But yeah Andy Warhol pog
Cutie
I think it's pretty obvious Sicko is just a way for Ian to get rich, but personally I think there's something to the "born from pain", it's very simple..But there's something to it, and I don't mean in the sense that Ian's a genius or he put a lot of thought into the phrase. I think it's something everybody can relate to, you get fucked over/played enough times you start fucking people over and playing people. We're all born as innocent kids who know nothing, and still somehow people grow up to killing their own family members/random people out of anger. People grow up getting abused by their parents, and then go onto abuse their kids when they have them. People get m0lested when they're children, and then go on to repeat the cycle to other children (very common). We were all innocent kids before something fucked us up enough to change certain things about ourselves, or the way we carry ourselves. I personally resonate with "born from pain" and I think that with the phrase along with an artistically cool recognizable font like Bjork, it's not too hard to see the appeal. But I also think a lot of people who wear it's thought process is more like "guy I think is cool wore this so it's cool" lol
Sometimes I feel like a sicko, and that's where i think He's edge is
can u maybe do vlone next? lmao
Mew not Mewtwo
It's mew not mew two dude. Love the content and the instagram page my dude, keep it up! :) x
1:05 y’all think dasha fucks with dg 🤔
I feel like it’s not a very deep message but u didn’t even talk about the born from pain part and how this could maybe relate more to ian connor’s childhood and life in the streets
Average Ian Connor fan
My guy you got it wrong bro Ian def knows and knew who Bjork was b4 Sicko if you followed his come up he’s a big Alt music fan and was deeply into Bjork and other similar artists and also when it comes to this high art low art concept he literally is one of that main ppl that bridged the gap between luxury & street in the 2010s that’s his whole thing that’s what made him popular I suggest you do a lot more research on Ian.
dasha😥
Ian 33
I think you’re conflating art and design
Sicko has crazy community, look at fan-made videos or arts on sicko, community is very important part of it brand. Also i think Drizzy wouldn’t write song about poor shit (:
1. It's mew 2. Fortnite*
"The Vonnegut Effect" is simply genius, big-brain Karsten 🔥
Is this video a joke
Idk who more gay u or bailey
AND THEN THER'ES LOW CULTURE
>proceeds to show yeat
IM CRYINGGG
Mew*
pls do a “is asap bari a genius?” i think itd be really cool 🤓
U bari himself