Ranking the Bosses of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes from Worst to Best
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- Hey everyone, in today's video Alex ranks the bosses of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes based on their quality from worst to best! As always, we hope you enjoy the list. If you have an opinion make sure drop it in the comments down below. Lastly remember to like and subscribe!
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Spider Guardian was *miserable* on the GameCube version since there was no spring ball incorporated into the morph ball. Every action had to be meticulously planned and executed on, plus I believe he did more damage.
Other than that, I'd say I completely agree with this list. I died to the Alpha Blogg and I agree, respawning is awful.
The Gamecube version of Normal was the same as Veteran on the Wii.
They fixed that on the Wii version
The controls just weren't precise enough, and it took a while to actually get to the boss.
It was really annoying.
I killed it first try on hard mode, but this is only once you got the hand of it, it is really easy.
@@cherubin7th I think you're only able to do it on hard or normal the moment you can quite reliably do everything wihout mistakes.
I know a trick for Alpha Blogg- detour to grab the Darkburst as soon as you can before going to fight him. It takes off half his health in one shot
That's how I always do it, but apparently not many try it this way.
You could do that??
Tips:
Quadraxis: The first phase's knees don't cycle randomly; they follow a predictable pattern which persists even after you start destroying them, so you can predict its vulnerability windows fairly easily. In the second phase, if you're low on ammo, you can jump onto one of its leg joints and Screw Attack the antenna to destroy it immediately. Power Bombing the Dark Quads will also destroy their heads and prevent them from shooting at you; it's not necessary to kill them outright because they despawn when Quadraxis enters phase three.
Power Bomb Guardian: Circle around the tracks at the start of the fight and bomb the slots furthest away first. The boss's attacks get more frequent as its health depletes and the Inglets spawn more frequently, so you want the final slots to be as close to the initial Spider Ball track as possible.
Alpha Blogg: Weak to the Dark Beam like all Aether enemies, and especially the Darkburst if you have it. Can be baited into attacking by shooting charged Power Beam shots at it while it swims around, as long as they connect with its body.
Dark Samus: Weak to the Dark Beam. When she deflects your missiles, or after ramming you with her shield, there is a window of vulnerability you can exploit for easy damage. When she levitates, charge a Dark Beam shot and hit her as she lands, before she breaks your lock by dashing away; this also works when she's recovering from her Phazon-powered dive, or spectrum shifting in the second fight.
Boost Guardian: Empty all your Light Beam ammo into this guy and end the fight as fast as possible. Stay in Morph Ball when it's boosting and hug the walls as much as possible. The pillars drop energy, as will the Inglets, so keep that in mind; destroying the pillars is semi-scripted, based on how many times the boss has boosted in a particular cycle, and it doesn't tend to hit the Inglets by accident so you may have to bomb them yourself. As soon as the boss enters puddle form, bomb it as much as possible to have it un-puddle quickly.
This is really cool info! Did you ever try speedrunning, or did you just pick this up from experience? Good to know either way, for whenever I inevitably replay it at some point
in terms of design, I think the alpha blogg is basically perfect for an underwater boss. an enormous deep water creature (who was also initially teased being visible through the chamber's walls) does a great job of evoking a real sense of innate dread and terror.
spider guardian has his infamous status from the gamecube version and the long way to it. in trilogy it is not so bad
Only played the original on gamecube how’s it different? I’d imagine spring ball is pretty helpful
@@mobron3099 pretty much, spring ball makes the fight a lot more managable.
I really gotta defend Dark Samus 3 from the perspective of feeling like it's not really *meant* to be an epic showdown so much as it is meant to be frantic and honestly kind of scary. With the other DS fights you two felt like equals, but when you turn around and see Dark Samus standing between you and escape, realizing who she is and how you have no choice but to fight despite being so in over your head, that _really_ hits hard to me.
I think that's why the music remains the escape theme, because Samus is fighting for her life here. It's the moment you realize that Dark Samus isn't your equal, she's a monstrosity.
I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone call 2 worse than 3, I've always thought 3 was pretty universally considered the worst.
Metroid prime trilogy is the best video game trilogy ever created.
It really is amazing that all 3 games are as good as they are, there isn't really a weak link like most trilogies tend to have
Power bomb Guardian does suck though
sooo true!
i am soo glad my brother buyed for me the whole trilogy for the wii
and ironically enought first time ithought metroid was some halo game for the wii lol
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry The Prime trilogy was one of the first games I ever played, definitely holds a special place for me as a result. I'd say Metroid Prime Trilogy, the NES Megaman games, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Mario Party 8, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and New Super Mario Bros are the games I was most into as a kid-Alex
I mean Dark Souls exists, tho.. unlike DS, prime 2 is the best instead of the worst.
Boost Guardian and Quadraxis becomes harder if you skip the dark suit, since those boss fights have no light zones.
Something I thought I should mention is I believe Chykka is pronounced Chai-ka. Like chai tea. Phenomenal video as always. I love this game so much.
For Power Bomb Guardian, detonating the outer two Morph Ball Bomb Slots first makes the fight a lot easier since he throws more bombs with each slot destroyed. The inner ones are far easier to get to then.
This is some well made Content
I just put out a ranking of Prime 3's bosses if you wanna check that out-Alex
WHAT!!!, I don't know if it's cause of my brother but all I hear is how Metroid Prime 2 is the best one...and I growing up with all three Primes have always agreed.
I'm salty now
I actually changed my mind after replaying prime 3, and I'd say thats my favorite now. But yeah it does seem like public reception to prime 2 has become much more positive as of late
Gonna make my list plain and simple and include some honorable and not so honorable mentions as well:
16. Spider Ball Guardian: Annoying little bugger that's more about completing a harsh puzzle than actually fighting it. I played the GC version so yeah.
15. Boost Guardian: He beat my a$$ on more than one attempt and I honestly feel like his fight is no fun whatsoever.
14. Caretaker Class Drone: Yeah I included it in my list since there is only ONE of it in the whole game that you fight. The fact the fight takes place on the Spider Ball and requires use of the Boost Ball is interesting to say the least. Other than that, it's just a mini boss with no health bar.
13. Alpha Blogg: The only Alpha predator in the game the Ing never possessed, and is the only boss in the game where you get the item before the boss. Kinda scares me even to this day, otherwise meh fight.
12. Power Bomb Guardian: The only boss in the game that requires the use of an item the player has only RECENTLY recovered from the Ing (Spider Ball) in order to fight. Otherwise, just annoying.
11. Dark Missile Trooper: If I recall, the only optional boss in the game, and the easiest one at that. Just a minor challenge that rewards the player a Missile Expansion for their troubles.
10. Dark Samus 3: Worst Final Boss in Prime History. Could've made the fight a lot better but instead, we got a game of catch and release.
9. Dark Alpha Splinter: Fairly challenging for a first boss, but it's normal non-possessed form was more challenging than it's Darkling form.
8. Bomb Guardian: A meh fight. Enough said.
7. Grapple Guardian: I kinda like this fight. It felt like you were dealing with a genuine apex predator and a dangerous threat more than any other Minor Boss.
6. Amorbis: A very fun fight with a satisfying reward at the end. Amorbis takes the large scale fight motif up to 11. Otherwise somewhat tedious.
5. Chykka: Both forms of this monster were fun to fight against. The first one obviously felt slow on purpose, but the second fight really makes the fight feel intense, that if you don't stop this creature now, what else might happen. Enjoyable nod at the end where the end fight scan confirms it's death.
4. Dark Samus 1: The build-up, the standoff, the fast-paced action, all of it screams epic. The only downside is the second half of the fight where she spams meteor striking you a lot.
3. Dark Samus 2: We knew she came back after that first fight, we knew we were gonna have to fight her again, and we knew she would be much tougher the second time around, and we weren't disappointed. Second Best Dark Samus behind the 3rd games battle.
2. Quadraxis: A complete boss battle. Hints of it's appearance are reflected through body parts scattered in Sanctuary Fortress. The fact you must slowly destroy the body completely, first the legs, then the communications, then the head, everything about it was satisfying. And the reward was the cherry on top. Annihilator Beam ftw.
1. Emperor Ing: What can I say? It's got everything I wanted in a boss battle. An intense challenge, a climactic buildup. The phases, and the music were all perfection. The only downside is that it isn't the Final Boss.
Honorable Mentions:
IngSmashers/Dark IngSmashers: A beautifully executed spiritual successor to the Elite Pirates of the first game. Though it kinda stinks that they become common in the SF after some visits.
Less Than Honorable Mentions:
Pirate Commandos: The normal counterpart was OK. They seldom appeared in-game. And the few times you do fight them, the Dark Beam just trivializes them.
Dark Pirate Commandos: The less than successful successors to the Chozo Ghosts of Prime 1, the Dark Pirate Commandos are annoying af, but can actually be really easy to beat. The Dark Beam actually works on them, thus turning what would be a dangerous encounter into a total joke.
That's all for my list.
These are my favorites comments to get, always cool seeing other peoples lists and reasoning! The Ingsmashers are awesome mini bosses too, I agree. I got videos on the other prime games too, if you’re into those!
@@Cytonox I left my comment in the first Prime bosses ranked video, but I will abstain from 3 since I never played it.
I was so happy to see your number 1 pick.
Who the heck even fights the alpha blogg with only three health expansions?
honey! wake up! cytonox posted!
Least liked: boost guardian and alpha blogg (dark samus 3 is a little annoying too).
Most liked: Emperor Ing (the true final boss for me too xD).
The only question I have is why didnt you use the annihilator beam for the third phase of Emperor Ing? I found it to be easier than using the different polarity beams the scan visor would suggest.
He releases a lot of creatures that can be shot for Light and Dark Ammo during the fight, so its not like running out of ammo is a concern.
Quadraxis is the best boss in the Trilogy, challenging and fun at the same time.
There's actually a speedrun out there, and the guy got the Power Bombs, AFTER getting the missile launcher.
the one dislike is from dark samus that could not hold off samus longer than the alpha blogg did
btw is an amazing well done and edited video it deserve way more views
Jack here, thanks for watching both bro! Alex’s Prime 3 ranking will be up in a bit under a month, so stay tuned!
A HD Remaster of this game is a must.
Who says Echoes is the worst? if anything, Corruption is the closest to that title.
Echoes really deserves more praise for how good it really is, but often it stays in the shadow of its two brothers.
Yeah MP3 is definitely the worst IMO and that says a lot coming from me as I have a huge amount of nostalgia for the game.
I rank Prime 1 as the worst, personally -- or, at least, the one that aged the worst. Don't take that as me thinking it's a bad game, because I don't, but when I think of what makes the Prime trilogy so phenomenal (exploration, combat, atmosphere and world design), I wouldn't rank Prime 1 over Echoes & Corruption in any category.
I don't know if Echoes was considered the worst, I generally heard that 3 was the worst, mostly due to motion controls and a lack of difficulty as a result of Nintendo attempting to appeal to the casual audience. I love and have 100% beaten all 3, but I don't hear much hate for 2, I just don't hear people talk about it as much as 1 and 3, for better or worse.
I hear people whine about the boost guardian and the sky temple key hunt mainly, although personally I found the key hunt far less tedious than the artifact hunt in prime 1
@@Cytonox That's fair. Boost Guardian wasn't even that hard on my recent playthroughs, I just think people unfairly judged that fight based off childhood memories of not being able to beat him. The keys and artifacts both sucked, but at least the hints were pretty obvious. Gives you a chance to backtrack and get more upgrades though, so if that's what you wanna do, go for it. My order personally goes 1>2>3.
Dark Samus 3 should have come before Emperor Ing. The whole conflict of the game was the Ing's genocide against the Luminoth, and having Emperor Ing play second fiddle to Dark Samus makes the terrific battle against him feel unimportant. I get that they had to set up Prime 3, but that's not an excuse.
I feel like I'm the only person who didn't have an issue with the boost guardian. However, I will forever hate the spider guardian because I played the gamecube version first. Having the neat extra jump with the wii remote helped, but the hell I went through on the gamecube forever tainted that boss for me.
Another note to final dark Samus fight in MP2. The boss is damn near impossible on hypermode due to dark Samus health pool being doubled while the timer remains the same. Absorbing her shots is buggy and does very little damage. Her phazon missiles have increased tracking on hypermode making them almost impossible to dodge. And the timer is just way too short.
Idk, I think I only died once on hypermode. I had way more problem with emperor ing. And aurora unit from corruption stopped me from completing the game on hypermode for like two years.
Ive never been able to shoot the hole in emperor ings back during the final phase even though it says its a vulnerable spot in the scan log
I love this game! My favorite of the prime trilogy.
I'm gonna be that ONE guy for a second so, please bear with me: You don't fight the Alpha Blogg without the Gravity Boost (at least when I played it), you get the upgrade THEN you have to fight it. I do understand the rest of your criticisms for the Alpha Blogg battle though. It is long and irritating.
ETA: Dark Samus' boss theme also neatly foreshadows the final battle against her with the sirens that go off during her boss theme. The blaring alarm during the escape theme in this game is Chekhov's gun firing from the foreshadowing in the previous two Dark Samus duels.
With honesty I axualy enjoy like REALLY ENJOY the dark missle trooper fight.. "wish it was alot harder though"
Technically the dark missile trooper is a boss but since the game seems to register him as a normal enemy you can 2 shot him with the charged dark beam and missile combo lol
Incorrect about the catacomb area. There's a kinetic orb cannon that's only closed once all three locks are shut down. And you can save the easiest one to get to for last.
Granted, it's hard to know that on the first playthrough...
I honestly quite like the power bomb guardian
I would put powerbomb guardian a little higher, I would put grapple guardian in second to last place and I think it's a real shame that caretaker drone is not included in the list. Otherwise, I agree with your video!
The way you damage Emperor Ing in its second form is by blowing up those tentacles that swing at you
"Mini boss fight theme 🤣🤣🤣🤣"
Yeah the power bomb guardian is pretty bleh, but it can be made less annoying if you go for the furthest away bomb slots first and save the easiest one for last.
Boost guardian is either easy, or he beats the shit out of me. The boosts are hard to predict.
Spider Guardian is just annoying on GC version.
Quadraxis is also my favorite in Prime 2. First time I played he beat me several times. It never felt cheap though. Probably why I like him so much.
Fair list, totaly agree about dark samus fight 3, the music doesn't fit and the fight itself is ridiculous comparing to the other two. There are also many things that makes metroid prime 2 the worst of the trilogy : ammunition system for dark and light beam wich totaly sucks / traveling between both worlds seems fun at first but it's also very redundant / the level design is just okay-ish / for me the thing that save the game is the OST.
The ammo system is good, it means they have to balance the beams around them and make them stronger then the beams in 1
2nd phase Emperor Ing, you're destroying all the little arms
Where are the Chykka statues in Torvus?
I haven’t played prime 2 since I made this video, so I forget unfortunately. I’m pretty sure they’re somewhere in the dark Torvus bog though. It’s possible I just got confused while scripting but I’m usually pretty thorough so I’m not sure
Based on what I'm seeing in this video, it seems like the lock on/free aim feature of the trilogy version fixes a lot of what bothers the fuck out of me about these bosses. In the Gamecube version, the Emperor Ing's legs block his hit box 90% of the time and Dark Samus' phazon attacks are nearly impossible to absorb because they simply go around your charge beam and just hit you instead. Also, doing the spider guardian with only bomb jumps is a MOTHERFUCKER lmao. The Gamecube versions of a lot of these are a bitch by comparison
Totally true. Trilogy controls are awesome, I’m a huge fan of em. Fixes a lot of stuff as you said, I find the gamecube ports significantly harder to play
Man ive stuck on chykka on my first run for hours
Dude im so pissed off i lost my Metroid prime echoes cd casen i still have my metroid prime and corruption.
The evil slope
Dark Burst helped me greatly in the fight against alpha blogg, don't this fight without dark burst ability.
I really like this game. And I am able to say that cause I beat it. Not doing it again cause it was a pain.
Alpha Slogg
“Wheeze”
Okay I'm confused haha.
Your first two low ranked ones are low because the bomb jumping takes too long and the boss is too far away from the last save point. The spider ball guardian has BOTH those problems. Why is it so high? Haha
I play the Metroid Prime Trilogy version of the game where you can jump with the morph ball without bombs. This negates the issue and makes it not that hard, removing the save point distance complaint as well. On the gamecube version he’s definitely more of a pain
@@Cytonox Oh true. I haven't played it all the way through on the Wii version yet.
I died first time to the Alpha Blogg, I got so upset that my mom banned me from playing that game for a weak.
I think people dislike prime 3 way more then 2
while commonly considered the worst of the series?
who is saying that??
i also agree: MP2 is best of trilogy, then MP, and MP3 was not good
great video and analysis. agree with your rankings, too!
I noticed a lot of people gripe about the dark world and things about how it's structured (doors that are present in the light world being blocked off in unpredictable ways, etc) making exploration worse. I've also seen criticism of the boss fights since most are just buffed enemies or something. I don't really mind these things much but the critics are out there. I also like prime 3 a lot other than the early game stretch. Glad you agreed with my list and enjoyed the video too!-Alex
Biggest issue with Prime 2 is pacing, and the dark world is a part of it, but not the whole issue.
There is way too much filler in MP2 compared to MP1 during which time you are not making any progress in terms of gameplay elements and world exploration. There are 4 fetch quests for temple keys which drag the game to a screeching halt, there are the colored translations to unlock arbitrary locked doors that have no reason to be there impending progress in the first place. Mandatory revisiting of the central hub with a cutscene after beating each temple. Etc etc.
I absolutely love MP2, my second favorite in the trilogy and one of the best games on the gamecube. But the sense of progression and exploration between 1 and 2 is not even comparable. In MP1, you are constantly unlocking new mechanics and abilities from beginning to end without pause, you have access to nearly every area of the game very early on, with interconnectivity that has you continuously revisiting and expanding your map across the entire planet/region, unlike in MP2 where you access every area in a relatively linear and sequential fashion, with areas locked off and inaccessible in very arbitrary or artificial ways until you are “meant” to progress there when the story allows it.
This is where the issues with the dark world become apparent, as the dark world is almost the polar opposite of a well-designed Metroid location - until the end of the game, the areas are completely isolated, bland blue and purple rooms and corridors with no interconnectivity and a very repetitive and time-wasting traversal mechanic.
A lot of MP2 feels like time-wasting, actually. The dark pirates that start showing up in nearly every chamber halfway through the game, spend more time invisible and invulnerable than they do attacking you, AND lock the doors every single time until you kill then or outlast them.
MP2 has probably the best and most diverse gameplay in the franchise and I love it, but it’s WAY harder to return to on subsequent playthroughs because of the inconsistent pacing and progression.
For me, the Alpha Blogg is just boring. Its too easy once you figure out the hitbox thing. It quickly becomes a matter of how fast you can shove super missiles into it's mouth.
Also, i HATE the boost guardian. The absence of light crystals is painful enough, but the boss zooming around at the speed of light on top of that is just...WHY???
Also also, if i remember correctly....doesnt the Dark Missile Trooper get one-shot by a super missile?? I can't remember. Im also pretty sure it's an optional boss, so that just proves how obsolete it is.
tower , egg , ing
I honestly don’t consider dark Samus to be the final boss
Emperor ing will always be that for me
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actually, EVERY boss in this game is just a buffed normal enemy.
Spider Guardian was my least favorite boss in the GCN version. Trying to make those jumps with the bombs was so infuriating. In the trilogy version he's a no issue, tho the last section can still be annoying.
the dark missile trooper is a joke. WTF
the drone is more of a challenge. EPIC FAIL
I never played the GameCube version, but I still hated the Boost Guardian.
my personal opinion is that all the bosses suck in general except dark samus and boost ball guardian. mostly because i'm stupid and can't figure out what to do even after reading the scan
but seriously how are you supposed to figure out you need to grapple behind chykka. i just thought the game was broken because there is no signal that you need to shoot at chykka from behind, other than the grapples being there. and how are you supposed to know to use the spider ball on ing emperor phase 2, it doesn't look like a spider ball surface i just shot the holes with all my weapons and using the power bomb on the ground near the holes until i died, then i looked up how i was supposed to beat the boss. honestly the only bosses where i truly felt accomplished beating them was the boost ball guardian and the dark samus bosses. i don't have really have a problem with the rest of the game but the bosses really piss me off.
Thats fair, the grapple guardian is the most confusing to me. Shit makes no sense ever after 928492 playthroughs
Mine on worst boss is the Mini Boss Dark Missile Trooper it's so freaking slow not any intimidation from it. Underwhelming.
Actually the first two Dark Samus fights are some of the worst. All you're doing is standing around waiting for her to stop shielding herself.
The shield is mostly up in the second half of those fights and that too for just 5 seconds. You literally just have to get good, those fights are a skill test (in terms of speed, not difficulty). I find those fights really fun
@@ExtremeAce No, she can constantly spam her shield, and the Metroid Prime games hardly take skill. You would have to be an idiot to die in one of those games. The game that's the closest to requiring skill would be the third one, and even that one is easy.
I'm going to be honest, I don't get why people enjoy the Emperor Ing bossfight. It's fucking miserable. Sure, the first two phases work fine enough, but the third phase is filled with practically unavoidable attacks, the hitboxes are borderline impossible to hit due to how much he swings around and bounces, and it's just plain fucking annoying.
His attacks are easily avoidable. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made a no-damage third phase of emperor ing at some point. Hitboxes kind of suck, but at least it's not as bad as alpha blogg.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 His hit boxes are a thousand times worse, I swear
There's a consistency to hitting Alpha Blogg, at least
Metroid prime 2 is hands down the BEST of the series. I never understood why anyone liked prime 3 and I can't understand why ppl like 1 more than 2.
Chykka is the worst boss
Spider Guardian in Trilogy? Pretty decent and clever boss, especially with Springball a built-in feature
Spide Guardian in the original Gamecube release? **AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA** Fuck the physics makes this boss *suuuuuckkkkkk* since trying to rely solely on bomb jumps makes this so much more tedious and frustrating. It’s the only Metroid boss (including Dread) that actively makes me curse and want to eat my own skin while fighting it, even after years of owning the GC release.
Homies playing a potential HD remaster with swanky new controls and Springball will never know the struggle… ;3;
Are you kidding? The Trilogy version ruined the Spider Guardian. The addition of the spring ball trivializes the entire fight.