Blade VS Cavity Irons
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txg.ca - Many viewers ask us whether they are good enough to play blade irons, and the question of blade versus cavity design comes up very often in the golf community. In this video we tested a blade iron against a cavity iron with identical lofts to see what kind of performance differences we could find.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois - Sport
As always, we really appreciate everyone taking the time to watch and join in on the discussion on the channel! Just wanted to leave a quick note regarding some of the feedback suggesting we do this test with a high handicap player. The reason we did not go that route is that we wanted to provide data that compares things like ball speed, launch angles, spin rates, forgiveness, etc. between the two club head designs. In order to do that most accurately, we felt that a consistent golf swing was best for the job. Introducing the high variability in swings that a high handicap player would produce (in our opinion) would greatly reduce the objectivity of the data provided and really just turn the test into a record of one player's experience with blades versus cavity back irons. In a perfect world, we'd be doing this sort of test with an actual swing robot to eliminate all variables introduced by an individual's golf swing. We hope you enjoyed the test, and stay tuned for future videos where we plan to dive into this topic even further!
I completely agree with you on this... Can't test irons from the toe or a duff.
Well Matt, you seemed about as close to a robot in this session as a human can be 😜. Nicely done.
I play Wilson FG-59 baby tour blades...because I love how they look and feel...and for the very fact that they punish me for my mistakes. I don't think one can improve one's ball striking through the use of GI clubs. I also have a set of Cleveland Tour Action 3...small head, cavity back irons.... non offset. The two sets compliment each other very well...with similar head shape, size, loft and lie. I usually start the season with the Clevelands...then when my swing comes around...move to the Wilsons. I also find that playing blades keeps me from overswinging...leading to purer strikes and much greater consistency...without loss of distance. Just last week I hit my Wilson 9 iron 140yds to a back of the green pin position...then of course missed my birdie putt. Anyway...thanks for the video.
I think the problem when comparing these two club designs, is Matt! He's just too damn consistent. Aren't you really attempting to compare forgiveness with this test? If so you need to compare similar off centre hits rather than perfect sweet spot contact. 10mm off centre on both clubs to see how much the game improvement club will bring the result back for less than perfect hits. Matt's just too good for this test to be meaningful imo.
@@PrtPrtPrtGood Exactly what I was thinking. Its great that Matt was consistent. But to really dive into the worthiness of application for comparison purposes. Consistent 'off center' shots would seem to be a big piece missing from this experiment. I love this channel though, these guys come up with great ideas to test and then just do it.
Im definatly sticking with my blades!
I would love to see like blades from 2000 against blades from 2020... it would be great to see if there is a difference there!
why on earth would anybody give theese guys a thumbs down? Best material on CZcams.
Can't please everyone!
Must be the myspygolf guys that are trying to be the txg tour experience golf guys
I did!!! Hahah
I was disappointed. Expected a make up tutorial 👎🏾
Just found your channel very recently. I love how the two of your break the data down. Best golf channel I've watched thus far.
Very interesting viewing. I love they way you are able to analyze so many factors to hone into the very best results. Great stuff! Dan from Australia
All I can say, "Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this format!" Best in the business!
Thank you for watching Anthony. We love doing video's which help you guys understand the nuances of club fitting and equipment selection.
Blades get a bad wrap. More mass for lag, turf interaction, follow through and smoother transition. Well struck goes the exact distance. Poor struck hurts but unless over a hazard doesn't kill you. I also feel you learn faster because you can feel the misses more accurately. That said I'm not trying to win tournaments
Brant Chmiel what do you mean by more mass for lag? The head weight of a blade 8 is around 274 grams, the head weight for a cavity 8 iron is also 274 grams. They don’t weigh any more than the other.
I went from a players iron to a game improvement iron and I honestly feel like it hurt my game. I feel like my swing has gotten sloppy from not having to strike the ball as well. seriously considering going back to a players iron and let my handicap suffer for a little bit until my swing gets more consistent
Excellent description!
Another solid video. Great detail. Love how consistent Matt is
Great video! This is a really important topic that desperately needed to be explored in depth. Looking at the standard deviations, the Miuras are very consistent in almost all variables
Great video as always and great information about turf interaction from the different clubs, it’s given me good information for my next set of clubs keep up the good work
Greatings from your fellow celts in Ireland. You two are really sound yet professional.
Great video as usual! This video hits on something I have never seen or heard discussed in club fittings, sole -turf interaction and its effect on strike and ball velocities. It makes so such much sense! Through the years and fittings I have seen and had , this has NEVER been spoken of. Cant wait for my fitting next month. KEEP up the great videos!
Appreciate that Ryan!!
my fave golf channel now.. thanks guys, appreciate your hard work
As always awesome vid guys. Looking forward to the next one.
absolutely love this kind of thing, learning more and more every day.
These are the best videos on CZcams. Amazing stuff
This is the best golf channel on CZcams in my opinion. You guys make things easy to understand. Need to head to Canada to get an iron fitting done. I’ve never been through a fitting where the fitter paid attention to the details like you do. Fun to watch. Thanks guys. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Jeremy!
Great video! Really enjoyed this. Love your channel.
Great video. Not sure what it's made me want more - a set of blades, Matt's swing, or a fitting from you guys!
Great vlog once again lads
Becoming the best golf channel on you tube
Next level content guys. Pleased to see the blades perform so well as that has been my experience. Just don’t get the left and right dispersion I get with more offset cavity backs. Those misses get you in so much more trouble than the slightly mishit blade that comes up half a club to club short. Looking forward to the next video on hybrid v 5 wood. Your channel is compulsive viewing for anyone interested in clubs and improving ones game. Thanks again.
Thanks Brett!
Perfect timing for this video. Recently purchased AP1 coming from Apex CF16. I really like the irons but I can not get control of the left shot and couldn't figure out why. The offset conversation pretty much described my issue. It has really made me look at the i200 all over again to get rid of the offset.
Absolutely great channel, so informative I can spend hours just watching the content.
Another very interesting review. Really gives you lots to think about in terms of the stronger club lofts coming out these days.
Well done guys this is a video I’ve been waiting for and as always done brilliantly. Super impressed again.
We appreciate that Barry! Thanks for watching
I love the channel! It is so informative and I watch all of your material. I’m considering going into club fitting as a profession. Keep up the good work!!
Awesome video. I've been wondering about this for a while.
Really great video about the importance of getting properly fit. You never know what you play best with until you try it at a fitter. I went into my last fitting thinking I would be getting game improvement irons, came out with a more blade-like iron because I hit them more consistently. Thank you for the great information.
By far the best, most unbiased golf channel on youtube or anywhere else. Great comparison.
Im really enjoying these long detailed videos. Subscribed
Welcome to the channel!
I've just been back playing golf for 9 months after a 33 year hiatus. I've been through 3 sets of irons this year and come full circle today. I've gone back to what I knew as a boy in the '80s, a traditional club that I've only found out this year is referred to as a"blade"! It's a golf club that we all used until the Ping Eye 2 came out, nothing fancy, nothing special, or scary. I've bought a set of Miura MB 101s, and they're awesome! In fact, to those who think "blades" are scary, I'd argue the opposite: I'd rather that the ball looked bigger, because that's what you're trying to hit! Think about it! Also: I don't want to be rewarded for my mistakes, I want feedback to make me know what I've done wrong, and then I can make progress to be a better ball striker. You're not going to get that from so-called game improvement irons! It's time to take the stabilisers off! I feel like I'm six years old again and coming of age! Woo Hoo! The last time I felt like this was on a Raleigh Boxer!
Something that gets overlooked with MBs is that on mishits, they come up short which for me is actually a good thing. I would rather be straight and still short then go the same distance and be 15 yards to the left or the right that gets into real trouble.
Great video Ian. And you’re spot on about the “pre-worn” beveled leading edge. My Mizuno JPX 900 Forged irons have that too and love the turf interaction I get with them. Helps ease through the turf with less friction.
Thank you Stephen. Matt and I appreciate your continued support!!
really rare having a left-handed tester on videos, but I like it because I'm left-handed thanks guys just got a new sub from me!
Another great video guys. Those blades look amazing.
This is some great information in here regarding offset. I really need to drive down to Toronto for a fitting when COVID is done, my appointment was cancelled on me because of the cases are up. I suffer from pulls and pull hooks as my miss. I noticed when I changed to Miura CB 801 from Ping ie irons that I have much less of a draw and hooks. There is very minimal offset in the Miura's in comparison and I had a hunch that my fewer hooks/pulls were related to the lack of offset in them! I had some MP-20 SEL's before as well and those too hooked much less! AWESOME info!
Changed this year from an apex pro 16 to a miz mp18 mb, lost nothing but gained a smile whilst looking down. Great video
Such a great topic!!! Great video!!!
Guys best comparison between blades and cavity backs I’ve seen. I just started playing again after 7 yrs off and find that I have lost distance with my Mizuno SC type clubs. I am also 63 now. I need a good compromise to get some distance back.
Have a variety of irons from MX200 through to MP68 and points in between!! 😂 love it when I'm playing at my best and the pure,most consistent irons,can go in the bag. Great work as always Guys!!!
Guys, just another amazing video. I believe you are quickly redefining golf content on CZcams. Awesome stuff!!
Thanks Jason!!
I was surprised to see how little difference there was between the two club designs with Matt's abilities. Perhaps the two club designs are slowly moving to the middle? A very informative video guys.
Nice job guys, very interesting video and results.
Thank you for continuing to educate me. I'm 61, mid-handicapper and using the MP69. Loving it though not relishing the punishments from the mishits. I chose it for three reasons; it forces me to focus, it's more flexible for loft & lie adjustments and lastly I have no interest in big club faces with offsets. And of course the icing on the cake is when you hit the sweet spot, the feeling is indescribable. Keep up the good work guys...
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Loving your content guys. Just wish I could come to Canada and get fit 😢
i was wondering about this exact thing and wondered if a blade would work for me ( probably not due to my inconsistent strike ) but i would love to try lol. great content as usual
Another interesting and informative video. Really appreciate you guys. Like others, I was surprised by the results. Expected the blaids to be less consistent. However, I my own game, I went from a set of Callaway XR OS irons to a set of Mizuno 900 forged irons because of the increased consistency.
Great video as usual. Was very surprised as I have seen other channels where the cavity backed irons had consistently higher smash factor - I assumed that the rules allowed some trampoline effect in the max COR which was being exploited by the cavity backed clubs. Obviously I was wrong. BTW, would love to see fitting of single length irons
Just about to go out and play at Formby GC This evenings essential viewing sorted 👍👍👍
Thanks guys. Another interesting and informative vid. I'm a 12 handicap player with 90mph driver. I recently went to a Srixon fitting. I was losing 10-12 yards with a 6 iron using z965 compared to Z765. Love the look and feel of these irons. Ended up ordering a combo set of z565 (5-7) and Z765 (8-pw) with Nippon 850 GH. Can't wait to get them in my bag.
Sounds like a very nice set of irons!!
GREAT VIDEO! I find my ability to hit the middle of a golf club is directly correlated to how small the head size is - i.e. the smaller the head, the more centered my hits are. I play small headed irons now, even though I'm a mid-tens handicap. I'd love to play PING G irons but I end up spraying the ball all over and loosing my confidence. #golfindustrymarketingcrap
Great video! Once again it shows that more people should be playing blades. The marketing has made people afraid of blades, when in fact they are more rewarding to hit and look better. Also, if a flaw creeps into your swing, the blade will show it faster, allowing the player to correct it faster before the flaw is grooved into their swing. Again, great show!
The MP-18 example who needed a thinner sole was THIS GUY! Thanks again, Ian. Can't wait to pick them up. Keep up the good work, guys.
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How u hitting them? Wats ur handicap?
Thanks for doing this video, I left a comment asking for this exact topic.
We're listening James!!!
Appreciate your support!!
Good morning txg from Dallas Texas . I played the z965 when they first came out now play the ap2s both in X100 shaft. I always wondered why the srixon felt better I believe you hit the nail on the head. Turf interaction
Dallas Texas here too! Love these guys. I just got some new Iblades and can’t believe how easy they are to hit. I think for a strong player that thinner sole is key for turf interaction.
Great video. I've never considered offset with pulling shots! I played blades for a few years and loved them, since then I've gone to a cavity iron and my tendency is to pull shots.
well done, great test
Great video as usual. Mr Maura said his 1957 small blades were easiest to hit. I now know what. No rotation and very little turf interaction. Cheers
I've never fell in love with a club like I did with the Srixon Z545. I haven't hit the Z565 but I imagine it's nearly perfect.
Great job guys! Removed all variables. Good choice using Matt. Using Matt removed doubt and another variable.
Great video, you guys are like golf scientist
Great Vid as ever Gents, those two Irons are things of great beauty, (I was beginning to get a bulge in the trouser dept)!!!! At the start of the vid I was anticipating that the story line was going to be that the Miura Blade gave up distance and was less forgiving than the Srixon Cavity back, however what a pleasant surprise you had in store for us! I would give up my left hand to be able to play Miura Blades!!!!........ (I wonder if they make one handed clubs)?????
FINALLY somebody do this right way 👍 Same loft, shaft and player and honest test. There is difference that can make difference, but it's not big. I have played cavity irons and then blades. Blades feels great but i was miss hitting them too much and that make me worry contact too much. Now i have blade wedges and cavity back irons. Future i will try short blade irons if i need distance control.
This video made me feel better about the decision of heading to blades in my next set of irons. I've tried a couple of sets now and i like the way they look, feel and perform compared to my current p770's. And they're not a bad set either. I was fit to the mizuno mp18 with px lz 6.5 and I've also hit the apex mb with nippon modus 120x. Both felt great and performed well for me. I honestly thought this video may have ended up with reasons why not to go into bladed irons but it just backed up the fact that it wouldn't be an issue. Great video as always guys 👍👍
Awesome Scott!
New to the channel and Thoroughly enjoying your content. PLEASE do this comparison with your 20 Handicapper. Well done. Mich
Completely agree that blades are more playable than some expect. I went in for a fitting a few years ago intending/trying to get something "more forgiving & consistent." Tried a bunch of players cavities and walked out with TaylorMade MBs. For my misses, the setup just worked, and solid shots are unbelievably similar.
Great video guys. This is the most controlled blade v. cavity test that I've seen in the CZcams universe. Also appreciated how you tied in the club design education to explain the output variances between them.
One question - for cast irons, how much can the lie angle change over time since they have more limited adjustability?
My golf IQ increases everytime I watch you guys. Thanks!!
Anthony McKenzie I'm not a fitter but I watch a lot of fittings and understand that cast clubs rarely, if ever, change in lie, particularly loft, because they are so rigid. You literally need a torch to bend them. Now that changes if you're constantly smacking clubs into trees or hitting rocks, but I know forged clubs need to be checked at least once a season because even for me, who barely plays, my lies and loft changed a degree with Mizunos Mp-53's with the 6,8,& Pw, clubs I use more. And I'm not even a hard hitter. They're just so soft!
Thanks chynz330, that makes sense!
Definitely makes sense to have your clubs checked annually for loft/lie, especially if you practice off mats.
This is my conclusion as well! Changing to a blade in the near future.
Very helpful, thank you!
I'm not as talented as Matt, but I love my JPX 900 Tours because of the consistency in distances. I know my misses will be about a club short, but knowing that I won't hit random missiles and overshoot greens is worth it.
That is definitely a huge benefit to blades or muscle/small cavity back irons!
Love this video! As someone who grew up using 690MB to learn the game but just got into a set of P770, I can appreciate the results of this video. I don’t think there is much of a difference outside of look at address and turf interaction. It all comes down to preference, I actually prefer a blade but went with the slight cavity of the P770 for a few reasons, A)couldn’t quite get comfortable with look of 718MB of Mizuno blades at address, B) P730 doesn’t come in LH unfortunately but would have love to test those due to the shape at address. But love the look of P770 down at the ball, nearly no offset and pretty compact head, kinda best of both worlds. And as someone who only gets out once a week really anymore, that extra bit of help never hurts, although I think its 90% mental at that point.
Great video- I would however have liked to see this video done with the same brand to keep the metal and craftmanship similar. I am, however, a lefty as well and realize that few club brands make their whole line up in lefty.
Another fantastic video guys! I feel like I am becoming a fitter just watching all this informative content. I had one question, how did swingweights compare between the two clubs? Was that matched with each club before the test?
Love the video so what kind of player benefits from a thinner sole someone who is a picker of the golf ball? Someone with a steep angle of attack? Great video guys keep them coming.
Another great video guys!! Keep up the awesome work! I would love to see a similar comparison done with a higher handicap player such as Sam. Perhaps see how he hits the Muiras compared to the irons he was fitted for.
Can save us both the time of making the video and you watching - he would not hit the Miura's as well! 😆😆😆 Sam got about as much improvement out of those Apex's as anyone could hope for. It depends on what a player needs out of their fitting, for Sam part of the story was getting more distance which he wouldn't get with the Miura's traditional lofts and lower (comparable) ball speed. He also needed the fat/heavy shot forgiveness which again would be unlikely to occur with the Miura's. Not to mention Sam's wife would probably murder him if she found out he was trying out more clubs!! 😆
Lol!! Same can be said for all our wives 😆😆😆 Thanks for the reply.
Every time I watch this channel I want to go buy new clubs. Why are you doing this to me?
Close the lid on your laptop. Go spend 4000. Right now. lol
Just part of our service Jason 😆😆😆😆😆
WHY WHY WHY
They are doing it so that you will go to their shop and buy new clubs.
@@ScratchArkkitehti just buy one Miura blade on EBay and hit it 10 times. All your questions and fears will be answered
Hey guys and welcome back. Thanks just for a few swings but a lot of good discussion between both of you two.
The take-home-message for me is to think even more of a "combo set": blades for the shorter clubs for feel and awesome consistency, cavaties for the longer clubs with their advantages.
What do you think about?
But nevertheless: one has gotta be fit by YOU👍🏻
Combo sets are absolutely a great thing to consider!
Whoa Matt your swing is SO much different now! Nice job on the changes :)
I bought a beat up set of 710 MB's for $150 to practice with and ended up putting them in my bag. I found I mishit them a lot less than I did my AP2's, which I could only put down to the visuals of the MB being noticeably smaller so I subconsciously put a smoother swing on it because I knew my margin for error was smaller rather than overhitting my AP2's. I feel a lot of people are scared of hitting blades but there is no better club to hit when you're wanting to improve ball striking because the feedback from strike is instant.
Another awesome video boys, I play the 565’s but I really want some blades now 😜
I must say those 565's are extremely nice though John!
I switched from AP2 to MP5 for 2 years ago and have never stroked the ball this good. Now I feel that I'm in control of the club and get clear feedback when I miss hit the ball which have improved my swing. That I have never felt earlier.
I used to buy a set of Titleist 710 Mbs back in the day when I played of 20 just because I loved the look of them. I lowered my handicap to 8 in about a year and a half. But literally everyone recommended me a set of 712 ap2 so I bought and played them for about a year. Didn't see a massive difference in forgiveness. When you miss you are going to miss anyway. The turf interaction was very different too. Eventually I changed back to the blades and lowered my handicap to 1 within the next 4 years. I just prefer the look and turf interaction of a blade it also feels more consistent. This year I bought a new set of 718 mbs but a progressive set with the 4 and 5 as CBs. The best set of irons ever!
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Love the content again.
Do you have any recommendations for medium game improvement irons to try. I am looking to upgrade my current set of Cobra Amp cell irons at the end of this season.
Currently I am looking at Ping G400, Callaway Apex and the Srixon Z565 (after watching this video).
Thanks keep up the good work.
Mizuno JPX 900 are also very nice!
Nothing beats the sound of that solid CLICK with blade irons when you hit 'em right. Worth it for me in spite of my handicap being in scientific notation :) never mind that I haven't golfed in many years now...
I was a Callaway X Hot2 Pro player for the last 3 years, I have now gone to Mizuno MP18 Blade 7-pw and MMC 4,5,6. I am so much more consistent with my distances and left to right dispersion with the blades then with the small cavity backs of the x Hots. Granted I've lost about a club and a half of distance but I knew that would be the case and my iron play has never been better.
Ian show us how you fix the gapping problem with one length. Many reviewers seem to write them off, but you prove every time that shaft,loft and lie can be manipulated to a players advantage. I want to try them, but haven't seen what a real fitter can do with them....bring in your average golfer....keep up the good work.
Thx! I'm a new viewer and learning lots of good stuff. This video has me questioning sole width. With my steep attack angle with irons, I chose Ping G15 because I'd read "diggers" benefit from wider soles. However, from your comments (and the fact that Ping narrowed the soles of more recent G-series irons), I'm wondering if the wide soles are helping as much as I think.
Would be worth trying an iron head design with a narrower sole to see how it performs for you. Still lots of forgiving iron designs with a narrow sole design (i.e. Taylormade P790, Srixon Z565)
Hey guys, recently discovered your channel and am hooked. Awesome content!
Curious though if someone came in with those Srixon irons and were hitting them like Matt there with consistent over draw, is that not something you can help adjust with fitting or is it an issue created by the offset like you suggested in the video, and that becomes a bit much to correct?
Love this content! Im so happy to stumble across this channel. Has anyone played the 501's? I range between a 4-8 on any given year and I absolutely love the look of these. Im want them to buy and keep for life? Thoughts? Too difficult for me to play? Thank you for the help everyone!
Really good info gents could you do a muscle back comparison to blade please. say Srixon 765 against Miura .
Top vid, subscribed.
Welcome to the channel!
Great Data/information/conversation yet again. You guys are firing on all cylinders now with these videos. Have thought about lowering the loft of my Titleist CB 716 to try to gain a little bit more distance, lower spin and help in the wind, without having to go to game improvement iron. Question would be about bounce on club, face angle and turf interaction, is this an issue or would 2 or so degrees not make a big difference.
1-2º is usually fine on a forged club James, you should be ok with that
Awesome video once again guys
Love my MP-5’s, the consistency in distance has improved my scores by 6-7 strokes.
If I wanted to gain a little more accuracy from them what shaft would your recommend? I currently have Project X 6.0’s in and they may be a little light sometimes
Nippon Modus 130 might be a good option for you Tyler!
I'm beginning to sound repetitive, but another super informative, made easy to understand video for us "normal, non technical" golfers. The standard keeps increasing with everyone one of your productions, well done. HOWEVER, Ian, are you losing your Scottish identity? In today's video Matt was hitiing a Zee 565 iron but in a previous video he was hitting a Zed Star ball, so where are you going with your pronunciation ? lol lol :) Keep up the GREAT WORK (from a British Expat living in Malaysia)
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Great video. Loved that blades are more consistent if you can strike them
I did find that you could get really “hot” shots with game improvement - like a week struck 8i could do 160-165, but you might get one that just comes out hot and goes 175-180
Great video guys. I think a lot of golfers are deterred from trying players/blade like irons because of of the sigma that those clubs are only for single to low handicap golfers. I think that golfers need to consider what is appealing to the eye as they set up to the ball. If a club doesn't look good to me at address, I usually don't hit it well. Keep you the great content. Always look forward to your videos. Any chance for a WITB on Lydia Ko given she just won recently?
Definitely getting a lot of requests for LPGA players' club info, it is on our to-do list for sure!
Cool comparison! Obviously the test doesn't take into account play over a period of time and playing conditions. I don't play too often these days and play on Scottish links courses. Although I see the benefit for me to move to something more forgiving than my blades, I'm not sure how workable they would be. It would have been a good thing to see Matt trying to hit a variety of shots, from knock down half shots to high/low draws/fades to see how the two compare. I appreciate this wasn't the purpose of todays test, but perhaps you could do this as a follow up?
Absolutely Martin! Just judging by how many comments we've received already today, we can tell this is a hot topic. We intend to do a bit of a series on this one!
Great comparison guys! Would these two be almost perfect for a combo set, since they are getting close numbers?
Could be!
Very interesting! Most of the manufacturers unfortunately only offer blades with super stiff shafts which only those with very fast swing speeds can hit. So it's a case of no matter how much you like the shape of the blade head, unless you're prepared to pay extra for differents shafts, there isn't much joy. Ben Hogan are offering blade heads with a large range of shaft option - from heavy Gold Dynamic shafts to light UST graphite shafts.
Great video. I have been wanting to try the 565 was worried they might still have a flier in them. Thinking a combo set might work well for me. Want something close in loft to my x22s. Don't need strong loft hot irons. Want that consistency of distance.
Z565's are fantastic Philip! They work very well in a combo set, in fact I just played with someone yesterday that had a combo set of 565, 765 or 965 from 4-PW