He tends to overact a bit, that is, be too emotional, but a lot of good actors do. For instance, Robert Redford perhaps. But this is overacting in a good sense of the term.
This episode had all three, though. The greatness is in the story, and how it made us think. But there were hot women (and men), action scenes and, pretty good for their time, special effects in TOS.
@@someoneelse1441 Possibly because the original Fascist dictator, Mussolini boasted that he was going to create a New Roman Empire. Americans tend to think of wild sexual orgies whenever they think of the Roman Empire, so Fascist type future govts are suppose to be sexually wild and explorative. That this is historically inaccurate does not change this belief.
only because Spock, being a Vulcan, was amenable to listening to logic - who the f**k in our ego-driven Human universe would do that? all you have to do is look at our Politicians fighting like cats and dogs over power to understand that our system gave up truth and logic a long time ago. Lesson: no system is always "right", no ideologue is always "appropriate", no person is above "ego".
@neuronsactivated- Cool for that universe, decidedly uncool for associates of Kirk who had to deal with his ever increasing, overly inflated ego, back in "their" universe!
That one line is pure GOLD "If change is inevitable, predictable, beneficial, doesn't logic DEMAND that you be a part of it?" One of the greatest lines of all time.
It's the perfect line in context of that moment and that universe- indeed it brings tears to my eyes- but I see it being misused as justifying stupid change of proven systems for change's sake in this day and age.
No, logic DEMANDS nothing. It simply produces symbolic inferences. But these are not moral imperatives, because we have to subjectively decide what moral value to assign to each proposition. Logic does not assign values. In any case, the argument itself is not logically valid. If change is inevitable, then the choice to participate or not is irrelevant to the outcome. Putting all of this together, if someone is being murdered and death is inevitable, there is certainly no logical demand for me to participate in the murder. It's a truly dreadful bit of script writing. I felt embarrassed to watch it.
One of the BEST Kirk speeches. I am astounded by the number of people, that do not get this episode. Its not about humans going down a dark road. Its about NOT being a part of such a thing, because it cannot endure.
So Mirror Spock uses the Tantalus Device to make the bad people disappear and ushers in an egalitarian future? In reality the purges would go on and on, just as they did under Stalin.
@@randymillhouse791 If it's the Republican party that cannot endure, then that would imply it should've at the very least become much less popular compared to the Democratic party following the end of Trump's presidency. The issue with that is obviously that that didn't happen. I believe it's because, from what I understand, the Republican party is better at being persuasive compared to the Democratic party. Neither of them are good, ultimately. Both won't endure, especially if powerful corporations continue to try and screw over the common citizen. It'll potentially lead to something akin to the Russian Revolution combined with a Civil War either 2 to 3 times as deadly.
@@johntempleton3560 Spock relieved Decker, threatening him with arrest, and with armed security guards on the Enterprise bridge to back him up (...and no, Spock wasn't bluffing....since "Vulcans never bluff").
I always use that line, "the illogic of waste, of lives, potential, resources, time..." in many of my arguments about history, culture, business and politics. It just works so well, I also salute the writer who wrote this.
@@MarcillaSmith technically, red pill was originally supposed to be exactly woke. Matrix is in many ways about class consciousness and revolution. It's just that right wing idiots completely misinterpreted or deliberately appropriated its meaning.
@@MarcillaSmith what about the founding fathers? Are you going to say they were woke and blue pill? Benjamin Franklin had that vision and pressed the issue beginning in 1744. That's the one man; and had he been listened to, we wouldn't be in the dystopia we know now.
Ditto. One of the great philosophical moments in science fiction. It was incorporated into the final draft of the episode at a time when such things could have just as easily never been incorporated. And us true believers looked beyond the cheesy special effects and costumes, and grew.
I like this scene for something that is never mentioned, that seems to me to be the core of the episode. When Kirk leaves the console, he doesn't give Marlena a big Kirk kiss, he puts his hand on hers in a gesture of friendship and warmth and she looks at it with astonishment. She continues with a look of disbelief until he beams out.
Maybe that's because, through no fault of his own really, he's forced to leave her behind to feign for herself in the evil dimension. A big, passionate, Kirk smooch, would have been totally inappropriate. As for her look... Shell shocked might be another way to describe it.
@@tinafoster8665 The Kirk she knew, was not a friend. The look was of coming loss, of a friend she might have had. What might have been... -- It is obvious though, how useful and important she would become! Paired with the Dark Spock, the team would raise a revolution of sorts, to this Dark Enterprise. Instead of 240-years, less than 10-years to crash Earth-based tyranny, and a better way for a new Federation.
@@kd7bwb12 yes, other Spock with the Tantalus device and, what was her name? She did seem like a very unsatisfied person and helping Spock overthrow the empire would have definitely been interesting
I actually believe the device he was talking about is that woman. As in that if her and Spock were a couple she could help make him invincible. Men and women need each other in this world!!!
1:27 William Shatner really brings it, delivering this line to the viewers. Star Trek really did change the future of humanity, inspiring many innovations.
But the Innovation that this show demonstrated is one that has not yet occurred in human society. And that is the innovation of compassion and understanding and acceptance of others that are different.
Many years ago I worked at a place that reminded me of the evil empire in this episode. I caught this episode one night very late and it made me realize that the place that I worked was illogical and would fail. I left not long after that and a number of years later that illogical place did fail. No satisfaction taken in it failing because people did lose their jobs when it failed. I've never regretted leaving. Sometimes art helps us figure out our next steps.
One of my all time favorite lines from Star Trek, Captain Kirk especially, "In every revolution , there's one man with a vision. " This show spoke about such higher things. I know there's a handful of clunkers but I think this is the best sci fi show (and one of the best all time of any genre).
One of the more powerful pieces of information ever bestowed by the Star Trek writers. If you fight for the good, nothing can get in your way. Settling for anything other than your best, or accepting conditions that are unjust, corrupt, or illogical, not only diminishes yourself, but diminishes the Greatness that is within you.
I love the Federation President's statement (Undiscovered Country movie)..........."Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily follow that we must do that thing". Absolute gold !!!
Seeing him depressed in _Star Trek II_ made me think he gave himself a speech to take a desk job to reform Starfleet or something, and failed, being shunted to the academy. But now I see they wanted to do a show about growing old and dying, so even though he wasn't older than some captains and commodores he knew 13 years earlier he was "worn out."
Awesome speech! I get teary eyed and inspired each time I hear it. I like later on when they're back on the "regular" Enterprise bridge. He tells Spock: "I think change is coming in the other universe; if I read my Mr. Spocks correctly". :)
Well, if I read my Kirks correctly, Kirk is not one to just go with the flow. He rocks the boat, and he makes waves. This is a hallmark quality of a dynamic person, one who influences others for change.
One time I was watching the opening of “Fairest of Them All”and I honestly thought I was watching the end of the original episode for a bit. It’s that faithful to TOS and the acting is good.
I love that even in a universe where people's personalities and moralities are flipped, logic's timeless nature transcends it all. Mirror spock grew up in a universal society that craves and rewards violence so it's entirely possible the thought of helping people because their life matters never crossed his mind. When being in the receiving end of respect of his personhood and life, he needed to learn more, it was too fascinating.
So true. "Our" Mr Spock and the mirror Spock would have been amazing had they met. I love how both Nimoy and Barbara Luna played this scene. Stunned that another universe existed and how different this Kirk was
Yes. You know people not really familiar with Star Trek often speak of the Vulcan character and persona as merely absorbed in logic and reason and even to the point that emotions do not exist for them. This is not quite true. They do exist but are suppressed for the sake of civility. civilization, and ironically even kindness itself.
I loved that line, can't remem whether it was from the end of the 2nd, or beginning of the 3rd. I saw most of the earlier movies on their debut week or day.
This is the scene that put 'Mirror, Mirror' over the top, IMO. Already a great episode, but 'Captain Kirk, I shall consider it!' puts it in the stratosphere.
Well it's my 2nd fave of TOS, but sometimes I feel it's first right after watching it. My fave is prolly the same as everyone's, but it helps that I saw my fave when I was young, B4 I became a Trekkie.
My favorite soliloquy by William Shatner as Captain Kirk. I also love Spock's at the end of "This Side of Paradise", when he's speaking to his rediscovered love, played by Jill Ireland. Leonard Nimoy did a master-class acting job there.
Before he's converted she holds out her hand for his, but he puts his behind his back because it is in extremely bad taste to show emotion. In some ways he believes he has to be more logical and emotionally controlled than full Vulcans.
I love how Spock and Marlena are struggling to come to grips with the thought of a benign Captian Kirk all throughout the episode. Especially given the savage dog-eat-dog nature of the Terran Empire.
When Kirk was risking time to give mirror Spock advice on freedom and peace over tyranny and enslavement I said to myself “Man Kirk you just couldn’t resist could you?”
This is what gets me sometimes in Star Trek they always seem to have a few moments to get the hell out of their situation but still always stop and have a little chat before they go.
One of the strongest moments in the original series. Others: "Who Mourns for Adonias" [2nd season, conclusion], "Requiem for Methuselah" [3rd season, conclusion], "Bread and Circuses" [2nd season, middle section and conclusion: interaction of Spock and McCoy, and discussion between Kirk and Proconsul Claudius Marcus], "Where No Man Has Gone Before" [1st season, conclusion], and "All Our Yesterdays" [3rd season, conclusion, discussion between Spock and McCoy]
No, we needed original stories dealing with world problems: equal rights, pollution, migration, etc. We did get one on conservation and one on the end of the Cold War.
Kirk's smile when Mirror Spock says "I shall consider it" is a staple of him winning a debate in which he influences change in people's beliefs or attitudes. It's always him saying "You're DAMN RIGHT you'll change your ways." KIRK IS THE G.O.A.T.🏆
Yeah l agree with you. Vulcans are supposed to be able to suppress their emotions. And yet those eyebrow raises in thier own strange way always spoke volumes of emotions!!
Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was a classic!!! It about race critical thinkers and peace in the world. The show was way ahead of their time talking about today's society right now.
Scenes become epic because of the soul within it. You can't force it to be epic. Shatner, Nimoy and others...were...epic. Because in every TV show there is one man with a vision.
As Kirk is saying “In every revolution there is one man with a vision”, MLK is sitting in his living room nodding approvingly and saying “Yes, yes, yes!”
Probably the most powerful sequence devised. There's other. Shatner is on his best game, the inflections, focus, pauses, I don't understand his critics. That was more than futuristic. It's our time 2024 to change things.
One time I used part of this speech with my eighth graders. The principal took away all their dances for the year for something they didnt do. I told them to go to the principal state their case and "push till it gives" it was classic and funnas heck.
Every so often, I watch one of these clips and remember how truly awesome this show was. It truly was way ahead of its its time and probably why it endures.
@trha2222 soyboy liberals as klingons, the emulation of toxic masculinity? If you're going to do political trolling you should be better at it than this.
‘And that vision is to defeat the evil empire to restore the goodness of civilized men and women and to restore the rights of everyone to live as free men and women.’ We must use logic in the right way as a positive reinforcement tool to preserve and protect for what is ours.’
“In every revolution there is one man with a vision.” As a kid, this line meant nothing… As an adult who has seen far too much, I finally understand it.
I always wanted to see what Evil Kirk was trying to pull on the good Enterprise that alerted Spock and the others that something was...up...with him and McCoy, Scotty and Uhura. Seeing any of them trying to do evil stuff and the rest of the crew becoming increasingly concerned would have been entertaining.
I agree when they were making the big screen version of Star Trek they should have used Mirror world as its storyline. They never explored this scenario fully enough of the alternative i.e evil versions of the Star Trek characters to quote Spock it would have been fascinating, such a shame it never happened.
I love that we see Kirk worried about what their counterparts might be doing on the original Enterprise and then we learn they were found out immediately. lol.
It all turned out Ok in the end, though. I get it, I was one of those 9 year old kids who actually wrote a letter to NBC so they wouldn't cancel the series.
I also enjoy the scene where the planetary ambassador is pleading with Kirk and says at one point "We are _ethically compelled_ to refuse your request for the crystals for you would use them only for expansionist and military purposes." To this Spock raises an eyebrow as if to say "this makes some sense."
Every revolution was first a thought in one man's mind, and when the same thought occurs to another man, it is the key to that era. - Gandhi. The similarity of this quote to Kirk's last words as he leaves the alternate Spok - interesting in view of the non-violence of the Hulkans. The writers seemed to have Gandhi in mind during this episode.
Push till it gives. I said that to my 8th graders once when they got accused of being disruptive at the library across the street in reality it 6th graders I told them to go to student council and demand that they state their case. I said push till it gives just like cpt kirk!!!!! Classic!!!
People always make fun of Shatner, but the dude delivers
amen, brother.
He tends to overact a bit, that is, be too emotional, but a lot of good actors do. For instance, Robert Redford perhaps. But this is overacting in a good sense of the term.
He does deliver...
The people who are overlooked, are the writers that come up with those great lines!
Denny Craig!
the only Captain for me
Admit you would have loved to see a whole series based on evil Spock's campaign to change the empire.
Look up Star Trek Continues on youtube, episode A Mirror Darkly. You'll be very pleased, I promise!
OroborusFMA I sure would. They did put out a novel with this story. it is called "The Sorrows of Empire" by David Mack
Star Trek Continues gives good Star Trek.
Very Asimovian Star Trek novel.
You're God damn right!
Right there - no special effects, no violence, no sex - is the true greatness of Star Trek.
Their is sex. Just not in your face.
Nowadays the writers probably would add a sex scene between Kirk and Spock.
@@nathaniellight2288 Or between Uhura and Marlena, and have some boys put on make-up and girls' clothing.
This episode had all three, though. The greatness is in the story, and how it made us think. But there were hot women (and men), action scenes and, pretty good for their time, special effects in TOS.
@@someoneelse1441 Possibly because
the original Fascist dictator, Mussolini boasted that he was going to create a New Roman Empire. Americans tend to think of wild sexual orgies whenever they think of the Roman Empire, so Fascist type future govts are suppose to be sexually wild and explorative. That this is historically inaccurate does not change this belief.
Kirk's little smile after Spock says "I shall consider it" is gold!
Kirk admires Spock in BOTH universes!
In one minute forty two seconds, James Kirk changes the future of a whole universe.
How cool is that?
only because Spock, being a Vulcan, was amenable to listening to logic - who the f**k in our ego-driven Human universe would do that? all you have to do is look at our Politicians fighting like cats and dogs over power to understand that our system gave up truth and logic a long time ago. Lesson: no system is always "right", no ideologue is always "appropriate", no person is above "ego".
epifunny1 Star Lord is
neuronsactivated well- just a massive violation of the non-intervention policy of Star Fleet.
@neuronsactivated- Cool for that universe, decidedly uncool for associates of Kirk who had to deal with his ever increasing, overly inflated ego, back in "their" universe!
Kirk is the inventor of "Talk no Justu".
That one line is pure GOLD
"If change is inevitable, predictable, beneficial, doesn't logic DEMAND that you be a part of it?"
One of the greatest lines of all time.
“Those who attempt to level, never equalize.”
― Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
It's the perfect line in context of that moment and that universe- indeed it brings tears to my eyes- but I see it being misused as justifying stupid change of proven systems for change's sake in this day and age.
No, logic DEMANDS nothing. It simply produces symbolic inferences.
But these are not moral imperatives, because we have to subjectively decide what moral value to assign to each proposition. Logic does not assign values.
In any case, the argument itself is not logically valid. If change is inevitable, then the choice to participate or not is irrelevant to the outcome.
Putting all of this together, if someone is being murdered and death is inevitable, there is certainly no logical demand for me to participate in the murder.
It's a truly dreadful bit of script writing. I felt embarrassed to watch it.
One of the BEST Kirk speeches. I am astounded by the number of people, that do not get this episode. Its not about humans going down a dark road. Its about NOT being a part of such a thing, because it cannot endure.
I think that the mentality you're talking about is referring to the episode with the hindsight of what we learn became of the Mirror Universe in DS9.
Like the Republican party...
@@randymillhouse791 Hah! Right on!!
So Mirror Spock uses the Tantalus Device to make the bad people disappear and ushers in an egalitarian future? In reality the purges would go on and on, just as they did under Stalin.
@@randymillhouse791 If it's the Republican party that cannot endure, then that would imply it should've at the very least become much less popular compared to the Democratic party following the end of Trump's presidency. The issue with that is obviously that that didn't happen. I believe it's because, from what I understand, the Republican party is better at being persuasive compared to the Democratic party. Neither of them are good, ultimately. Both won't endure, especially if powerful corporations continue to try and screw over the common citizen. It'll potentially lead to something akin to the Russian Revolution combined with a Civil War either 2 to 3 times as deadly.
Spock looked so cool with that beard.
And those reptilian eyes when he mind melds with McCoy. That was creepy, but in a cool way.
Oh, yeah!!
It's more like a goatee rather than a beard just saying .
Yes, but facial hair is illogical.
"I think I liked him with a beard better. It gave him character. Of course almost any change would be a distinct improvement."
This is the best scene from what is arguably one of the best episodes across the entire Star Trek franchise.
yeah its up there. along with kirk relieving commodore decker
You got that right
I don't recall this being overlooked though the beard became a meme.
@@johntempleton3560 Spock relieved Decker, threatening him with arrest, and with armed security guards on the Enterprise bridge to back him up (...and no, Spock wasn't bluffing....since "Vulcans never bluff").
Yes. This is one of the tops. Nomad, the Changeling, The Doomsday Machine,
I always use that line, "the illogic of waste, of lives, potential, resources, time..." in many of my arguments about history, culture, business and politics. It just works so well, I also salute the writer who wrote this.
woke and blue-pilled
@@MarcillaSmith technically, red pill was originally supposed to be exactly woke. Matrix is in many ways about class consciousness and revolution. It's just that right wing idiots completely misinterpreted or deliberately appropriated its meaning.
@@brucesnow7125 oh sure, and I suppose next you're going to tell me _The Matrix_ was written by... I don't know, uh... _transsexuals,_ or something
jerome bixby wrote it
@@MarcillaSmith what about the founding fathers? Are you going to say they were woke and blue pill? Benjamin Franklin had that vision and pressed the issue beginning in 1744. That's the one man; and had he been listened to, we wouldn't be in the dystopia we know now.
One of the great Kirk / Shatner / Star Trek speeches that doesn't get mentioned enough or is overlooked.
Great if you discount Deep Space Nine.
Ditto. One of the great philosophical moments in science fiction. It was incorporated into the final draft of the episode at a time when such things could have just as easily never been incorporated. And us true believers looked beyond the cheesy special effects and costumes, and grew.
@@TheKardiacKidDS9? 🤣
Yeah, William Shatner can ham it up at the oddest times, but when he delivers hard-hitting, emotional, moments; he got it on lock.
I like this scene for something that is never mentioned, that seems to me to be the core of the episode. When Kirk leaves the console, he doesn't give Marlena a big Kirk kiss, he puts his hand on hers in a gesture of friendship and warmth and she looks at it with astonishment. She continues with a look of disbelief until he beams out.
Maybe that's because, through no fault of his own really, he's forced to leave her behind to feign for herself in the evil dimension. A big, passionate, Kirk smooch, would have been totally inappropriate. As for her look... Shell shocked might be another way to describe it.
@@williamanthony9090 shell shocked yes, she was ready to go through every officer in the fleet LOL
@@tinafoster8665
The Kirk she knew, was not a friend.
The look was of coming loss, of a friend she might have had. What might have been...
--
It is obvious though, how useful and important she would become! Paired with the Dark Spock, the team would raise a revolution of sorts, to this Dark Enterprise.
Instead of 240-years, less than 10-years to crash Earth-based tyranny, and a better way for a new Federation.
@@kd7bwb12 yes, other Spock with the Tantalus device and, what was her name? She did seem like a very unsatisfied person and helping Spock overthrow the empire would have definitely been interesting
I actually believe the device he was talking about is that woman. As in that if her and Spock were a couple she could help make him invincible. Men and women need each other in this world!!!
"In every revolution there is one man with a vision"
Probably Shatner's best delivery, camera work, etc.,
Wonder how many takes for it..
This was in the alternate universe where Shatner could act.
Or, one could say Shatner's best delivery is... Star Trek. Wonder how many lives were changed by it.
@@raygordonteacheschess5501
Hahaha. =)
@@light9999
You raise a good point.
A lot of Shuttle astronauts became the fruit of the show..
@@raygordonteacheschess5501 Funny!
1:27 William Shatner really brings it, delivering this line to the viewers. Star Trek really did change the future of humanity, inspiring many innovations.
But the Innovation that this show demonstrated is one that has not yet occurred in human society. And that is the innovation of compassion and understanding and acceptance of others that are different.
Uhura in the "Evil Uhura" gear is mega hot.
Many years ago I worked at a place that reminded me of the evil empire in this episode. I caught this episode one night very late and it made me realize that the place that I worked was illogical and would fail. I left not long after that and a number of years later that illogical place did fail. No satisfaction taken in it failing because people did lose their jobs when it failed. I've never regretted leaving. Sometimes art helps us figure out our next steps.
@@genegottloeb7281 Fascinating. .
Art made you make a logical choice from an illogical situation….
Fact is stranger than science fiction…..
“ it’s life but not as we know it Jim…”……….😅
Captain Kirk, ...I shall consider it.
....one of my favorite Star Trek lines, never gets old.
One of my all time favorite lines from Star Trek, Captain Kirk especially, "In every revolution , there's one man with a vision. " This show spoke about such higher things. I know there's a handful of clunkers but I think this is the best sci fi show (and one of the best all time of any genre).
I love how Spock raises his right eyebrow, and says "indeed!".
@Trev0r98, It's not unlikely he had wondered what instrument Kirk had been using to eliminate his adversaries so effectively.
One of the more powerful pieces of information ever bestowed by the Star Trek writers. If you fight for the good, nothing can get in your way. Settling for anything other than your best, or accepting conditions that are unjust, corrupt, or illogical, not only diminishes yourself, but diminishes the Greatness that is within you.
Exactly my friend✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿💯
Yes!
I love the Federation President's statement (Undiscovered Country movie)..........."Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily follow that we must do that thing".
Absolute gold !!!
So relevant today in 2022. Take the high road to a better future, or let the fascists take over.
VOTE BLUE 🟦.
In every revolution, there is one man with a vision.
One of Kirk's best speeches ever!!
Seeing him depressed in _Star Trek II_ made me think he gave himself a speech to take a desk job to reform Starfleet or something, and failed, being shunted to the academy. But now I see they wanted to do a show about growing old and dying, so even though he wasn't older than some captains and commodores he knew 13 years earlier he was "worn out."
Awesome speech! I get teary eyed and inspired each time I hear it. I like later on when they're back on the "regular" Enterprise bridge. He tells Spock: "I think change is coming in the other universe; if I read my Mr. Spocks correctly". :)
And Vic Migongna and company did a wonderful job at showing that in Star Trek Continues.
Wow - me too - I was tearing up and didn't even know why!
Well, if I read my Kirks correctly, Kirk is not one to just go with the flow. He rocks the boat, and he makes waves. This is a hallmark quality of a dynamic person, one who influences others for change.
@@JnEricsonx And I have to say I was pleasantly surprised when I saw that. Worth rewatching.
"In every revolution there's one man with a vision..."
@Troy Hooker see how evil Spock's eyes lit up when given a device that can make him invincible LOL?
I love how the web series Star Trek Continues uses this speech as the prologue of its third episode and shows the immediate aftermath of it.
Yes it was really cool anyone who likes this clip will love Star Trek Continues episode 3
One time I was watching the opening of “Fairest of Them All”and I honestly thought I was watching the end of the original episode for a bit. It’s that faithful to TOS and the acting is good.
I love that even in a universe where people's personalities and moralities are flipped, logic's timeless nature transcends it all. Mirror spock grew up in a universal society that craves and rewards violence so it's entirely possible the thought of helping people because their life matters never crossed his mind. When being in the receiving end of respect of his personhood and life, he needed to learn more, it was too fascinating.
So true. "Our" Mr Spock and the mirror Spock would have been amazing had they met. I love how both Nimoy and Barbara Luna played this scene. Stunned that another universe existed and how different this Kirk was
"Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most...........human".
- Captain James T. Kirk, 2285
Yes. You know people not really familiar with Star Trek often speak of the Vulcan character and persona as merely absorbed in logic and reason and even to the point that emotions do not exist for them. This is not quite true. They do exist but are suppressed for the sake of civility. civilization, and ironically even kindness itself.
I loved that line, can't remem whether it was from the end of the 2nd, or beginning of the 3rd. I saw most of the earlier movies on their debut week or day.
Definitely one of his best speeches both in words and delivery
One of my favorite moments from TOS.
This is the scene that put 'Mirror, Mirror' over the top, IMO. Already a great episode, but 'Captain Kirk, I shall consider it!' puts it in the stratosphere.
Well it's my 2nd fave of TOS, but sometimes I feel it's first right after watching it. My fave is prolly the same as everyone's, but it helps that I saw my fave when I was young, B4 I became a Trekkie.
Evil Spock is a badass!
So is our Spock in his own ways.
“Captain Kirk, I shall consider it…” a cliffhanger and an ending in one line. Brilliant line, with a great delivery and reaction. 😎👍
Probably the best speech in science fiction history.
The music in this scene is outstanding, one of the best pieces written for the show
Awesome, totally freaking awesome!!!
"Captain Kirk, I shall consider it". One of the greatest scenes from TOS, maybe the greatest. I get choked up and teary eyed every time I see it.
My favorite soliloquy by William Shatner as Captain Kirk. I also love Spock's at the end of "This Side of Paradise", when he's speaking to his rediscovered love, played by Jill Ireland. Leonard Nimoy did a master-class acting job there.
Before he's converted she holds out her hand for his, but he puts his behind his back because it is in extremely bad taste to show emotion. In some ways he believes he has to be more logical and emotionally controlled than full Vulcans.
One of Trek's best episodes.
It's moments like this that made the series great.
Yes. That's why it's still going, it has transcendence, it had the guts to grapple with the biggest questions and provided inspiration and hope.
I love how Spock and Marlena are struggling to come to grips with the thought of a benign Captian Kirk all throughout the episode. Especially given the savage dog-eat-dog nature of the Terran Empire.
When Kirk was risking time to give mirror Spock advice on freedom and peace over tyranny and enslavement I said to myself “Man Kirk you just couldn’t resist could you?”
The whole point of the entire episode was a build up to that speech.
Star Trek was ahead of its time always delivering a message for morality and the betterment of society.
Sadly the first three movies didn't have much to say....
"The waste of lives, potential, resources, time."
This is one of the finest episodes of any Sci-Fi show that I have ever seen.
This is what gets me sometimes in Star Trek they always seem to have a few moments to get the hell out of their situation but still always stop and have a little chat before they go.
This is not specific to star trek tho
What a great speech! Given the era when this was televised, it’s even more powerful.
One of the strongest moments in the original series. Others: "Who Mourns for Adonias" [2nd season, conclusion], "Requiem for Methuselah" [3rd season, conclusion], "Bread and Circuses" [2nd season, middle section and conclusion: interaction of Spock and McCoy, and discussion between Kirk and Proconsul Claudius Marcus], "Where No Man Has Gone Before" [1st season, conclusion], and "All Our Yesterdays" [3rd season, conclusion, discussion between Spock and McCoy]
_"What will it be? Past or Future. Tyranny or Freedom."_
Too bad we never got to revisit that mirror universe to see Spock's fate.
If there is one man who could change the course of history, it'd be him.
Bet your illogical ass
I ended up quoting this at work since a shit storm is about to take place with all the shit our manager has swept under the rug.
This is the one episode they should have made a movie of.
No, we needed original stories dealing with world problems: equal rights, pollution, migration, etc. We did get one on conservation and one on the end of the Cold War.
This speech is perfect every time I start my work shift.
Wow, simply powerful...the emotions and the reality of it, truly unique in the history of Television.
Kirk's smile when Mirror Spock says "I shall consider it" is a staple of him winning a debate in which he influences change in people's beliefs or attitudes. It's always him saying "You're DAMN RIGHT you'll change your ways."
KIRK IS THE G.O.A.T.🏆
One of the best episodes! ❤❤
Spock was the King of the one raised eyebrow!
He raises his right eyebrow. I've tried, but I can only raise my left eyebrow.
Yeah l agree with you. Vulcans are supposed to be able to suppress their emotions. And yet those eyebrow raises in thier own strange way always spoke volumes of emotions!!
The ROCK says this . . . .
If you smellllllll... what the Spock is cooking!
1:07 - that look and eye twitch from Spock. "Invincible. Sounds appealing."
Damn good speech and great sound track!
I shall consider it. Great line left you wondering.
And then we found out what happened in DS9
Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was a classic!!! It about race critical thinkers and peace in the world. The show was way ahead of their time talking about today's society right now.
Scenes become epic because of the soul within it. You can't force it to be epic. Shatner, Nimoy and others...were...epic. Because in every TV show there is one man with a vision.
As Kirk is saying “In every revolution there is one man with a vision”, MLK is sitting in his living room nodding approvingly and saying “Yes, yes, yes!”
This scene is pure gold🏆
Probably the most powerful sequence devised. There's other. Shatner is on his best game, the inflections, focus, pauses, I don't understand his critics. That was more than futuristic. It's our time 2024 to change things.
This speech gave me goosebumps
One time I used part of this speech with my eighth graders. The principal took away all their dances for the year for something they didnt do. I told them to go to the principal state their case and "push till it gives" it was classic and funnas heck.
Did it work?
"What will it be, past or future? Tyranny or freedom? It's up to you."
The principal then used each student's agonizer.
Every so often, I watch one of these clips and remember how truly awesome this show was. It truly was way ahead of its its time and probably why it endures.
James Tiberius kirk, 2024! TRUE MAGA😎
How this country and the world could benefit from a Kirk/Spock mentality.
@trha2222 Yeah, dude. Conservatives are well-known for their love of science and multiethnic working environments.
@trha2222 diversity doesn't mean no white people, lol. Wtf.
@trha2222 soyboy liberals as klingons, the emulation of toxic masculinity? If you're going to do political trolling you should be better at it than this.
Need a Surak figure to bring logical thinking and emotional control.
Kirk drops a logic bomb on evil Spock.
1:08, evil Spock when told that he's being given a device that will make him invisible, a calm, INDEED, LOL
Greatest monologue ever!
This is....Captain Kirk explains our country better than anyone else. "We The People"
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The greatest one minute in science fiction history.
‘And that vision is to defeat the evil empire to restore the goodness of civilized men and women and to restore the rights of everyone to live as free men and women.’ We must use logic in the right way as a positive reinforcement tool to preserve and protect for what is ours.’
Marlena. So bloody gorgeous.
A very moving and beautiful scene. One of the best of the franchise... The simplicity & beauty of it.... Is amazing👍
Its amazing how good William Shatner was in that role. He was a major part of Star Treks success in my opinion.
In my cabin, there's a device that will make you invincible...that is the kicker here. That is the game changer.
shatner's day to day delivery is ott but at moment like this, it is perfect.
“In every revolution there is one man with a vision.”
As a kid, this line meant nothing…
As an adult who has seen far too much, I finally understand it.
Captain Kirk delivered such a logical argument that even a Vulcan found it flawless.
Dude doesn't just violate the Prime Directive, or the Temporal Directive, he's messing with cross-universe fates.
He's been the captain for 91 years Live Long and Prosper 🖖
I always wanted to see what Evil Kirk was trying to pull on the good Enterprise that alerted Spock and the others that something was...up...with him and McCoy, Scotty and Uhura. Seeing any of them trying to do evil stuff and the rest of the crew becoming increasingly concerned would have been entertaining.
Agreed! I've always wondered why no one has ever written a story showing that
I agree when they were making the big screen version of Star Trek they should have used Mirror world as its storyline.
They never explored this scenario fully enough of the alternative i.e evil versions of the Star Trek characters to quote Spock it would have been fascinating, such a shame it never happened.
I love that we see Kirk worried about what their counterparts might be doing on the original Enterprise and then we learn they were found out immediately. lol.
They turned into trumpsters.
Well it wasn't easy for them as Barbarians to behave like civilized men.
damn, the 60s were GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD !
One of my many favorite Kirk speeches, especially with how he wields logic to convince the Mirror Spock.
Easily One of Kirk’s best speeches
Oh the short sighted execs of Paramount. Only three seasons, but gold.
It all turned out Ok in the end, though. I get it, I was one of those 9 year old kids who actually wrote a letter to NBC so they wouldn't cancel the series.
And from here, we get "Star Trek Continues: Fairest of them All." The answer to what happens when the Mirror Away Team return to their ship.
My favorite Star Trek scene of all time.
It's interesting how much Spock and Mirror!Spock have in common - enough for Kirk to still read him very well.
I have to say I wish this was Kirk's uniform. It rocks.
I find it fascinating that this clip gets served up to me today as so much is happening in the US.
"In my cabin is a device that will make you invincible"
*Spock looks at the chick with raised eyebrow*
"Indeed"
xD
I also enjoy the scene where the planetary ambassador is pleading with Kirk and says at one point "We are _ethically compelled_ to refuse your request for the crystals for you would use them only for expansionist and military purposes." To this Spock raises an eyebrow as if to say "this makes some sense."
Boy, that episode’s right there towards the top of ST episodes.
Theres one MAN with vision!
Whoa ....Uhuru in a mid drift...god she had a killer body back then.
Every revolution was first a thought in one man's mind, and when the same thought occurs to another man, it is the key to that era. - Gandhi. The similarity of this quote to Kirk's last words as he leaves the alternate Spok - interesting in view of the non-violence of the Hulkans. The writers seemed to have Gandhi in mind during this episode.
I want a t-shirt that says "Halkan Prediction of Galactic Revolt: 240 Years To Go!"
This was the best episode, I think.
Push till it gives. I said that to my 8th graders once when they got accused of being disruptive at the library across the street in reality it 6th graders I told them to go to student council and demand that they state their case. I said push till it gives just like cpt kirk!!!!! Classic!!!