Does This Theory FIX My FNAF Timeline?! | I Solved MatPat's Sister Location Problem (ID's Fantasy)

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    Theorists, today we're taking a look at a HIGHLY requested video from you all, ‪@IDsFantasy‬ 's analysis of our FNAF Timeline. Specifically the placement... or lack thereof, of Sister Location. Obviously, I left it as a bit of a gray area in the Timeline video and that's just because I really couldn't say definitively. I'm hoping that we get some good answers here that can help us figure this thing out once and for all! So buckle up and get ready to do some good 'ole fashion theorizing!
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  • @IDsFantasy
    @IDsFantasy Před rokem +18208

    Alright, I've finished the video, and I disagree with the disagreeing on my Candy Cadet ideas (guess I'll be bumping that one up on the priority list) and would like to clarify that I do think MoltenMCI would still be the original MCI kids from 1985, just picked up after FNAF 3, though if soul splitting is at play they could have ended up in there at any point leaving SL open in the timeline. Can't wait to see the rest of the reactions! Thank you so much :D

  • @MrSirWivd
    @MrSirWivd Před rokem +1898

    i love how mat was only 14 seconds into the video and just got completely annihilated just being called out. his reaction was legit hilarious.

    • @lewstherintelescope
      @lewstherintelescope Před rokem +111

      That was amazing, and I appreciate that Matt's willing to roll with the punches there lol.

    • @valor1omega
      @valor1omega Před rokem +39

      ​​@@lewstherintelescopeIn the past he wasn't so "chill" about getting called out.
      Gamer from Mars was extremely respectful and did a documentarish style of video on Game Theory and Matt acted like he was verbally assaulted six ways from Sunday.
      Or anyone with any legitimate criticism of him he treated like a personal attack.
      So it's nice to see him able to handle legitimate criticism these days.

    • @lewstherintelescope
      @lewstherintelescope Před rokem +60

      @@valor1omega Glad to see he's grown a lot, then

    • @punprincess3214
      @punprincess3214 Před 11 měsíci +5

      I didn't even care to watch the rest of the video, I just kept watching that part

    • @geostorm8192
      @geostorm8192 Před 11 měsíci

      I guess you could say he was _caught in a landslide_

  • @XIN3OHd
    @XIN3OHd Před rokem +1776

    That intro burn was fantastic

  • @zbynekwonders
    @zbynekwonders Před rokem +648

    The idea that Michael was helping collect remnant.. it actually makes a sick sort of sense.
    Imagine being the cause of your little brother’s death. your father is sent spiraling, your mother leaves, and you’re left to deal with this guilt alone.
    And then your father tells you “there’s a way you can make it all better. Just do what I say. Help me put him back together.”

    • @Cece._gvcha
      @Cece._gvcha Před rokem +36

      I just cannot believe that no matter what I want I just can’t imagine Micheal helping his dad I can’t imagine him aiding the bad guy 😭😭

    • @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL
      @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​​​​@@Cece._gvchamicheal is crying child that means that william needed to put Remnant where did he get it from a kid if what i said is true that means that cc is doing what his father told him to do 4
      Or he didn't listen and put the evil back and if henry
      Burned fnaf 6 pizzeria that means he probably knew the fnaf 3 restaurant burnt also Henry burnt fnaf 6 pizzeria to get the last souls also use candy cadets storys for lore you see that candy cadet is telling a rettilling of ennard aminatronics become one and also Funtime freddy is molten freddy or ennard if micheal did evil he wouldn't have came to freddy fazbears matpat see this

    • @Cece._gvcha
      @Cece._gvcha Před 11 měsíci +32

      @@Beefoulotus-OFFICALL Michael is not cc.. that’s quite the old theory too 😭

    • @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL
      @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@Cece._gvchadont know what i was thinking

    • @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL
      @Beefoulotus-OFFICALL Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@Cece._gvchaalso if micheal is ccs brother that means if he burnt down fnaf 3 Henry would somehow see so he did the same thing for the last souls and dave looking at a mall is like fnaf sb because its a mall

  • @0ttomatic
    @0ttomatic Před rokem +663

    I think it's really telling that during the interview with Dawko, when asked about which ending was canon for FNAF 3, Scott said that the answer was "very interesting" and "complex" but ultimately decided not to say which was canon. Maybe we all have put too much faith in the Good Ending of FNAF 3 being canon when the opposite could actually be true?

    • @spiritwolf448
      @spiritwolf448 Před rokem +59

      Yeah, I'm surprised no one talks about that more

    • @chriiiiis
      @chriiiiis Před rokem +12

      In my heart, it's the cannon ending

    • @milesfernando
      @milesfernando Před rokem +34

      I feel like it's neither. The endings show all 5 of the souls are either there or not. From what's been going on, I think that the main four have moved on, but Golden Freddy would still be "on."

    • @Envy_May
      @Envy_May Před rokem +17

      maybe it splits the timeline like zelda

    • @cluver99
      @cluver99 Před rokem +8

      YEEEES. Thats it! I'm always talking about thaaat. The Bad Ending is the canon for that game at this point. Obviously we can pick up things from the Good Ending minigames like the Golden Freddy indentity as the crying child (or cassidy or whatever you want to believe) but the real canon ening is the one where the spirits remaing in their suits

  • @TartarusHimself
    @TartarusHimself Před rokem +972

    matpat not being invited to events related to things he plays a big part in is a hilarious running gag but i hope he gets to do the fun relevant stuff soon

    • @phayes84
      @phayes84 Před rokem +163

      It’s funny. But, I also feel bad for MatPat. He deserves to be invited to these things. He takes it way more gracefully then I would.

    • @garlicxlr
      @garlicxlr Před rokem +32

      I mean... You don't invite the Harlem Globetrotters to a friendly game of basket.

    • @AllisterVinris
      @AllisterVinris Před rokem +45

      Well as the one holding the answers, you really don't want the one whose whole job is to ask questions in the same room as you.

    • @jonathan97107
      @jonathan97107 Před 8 měsíci

      Rumored he’s in the fnaf movie 🍿

  • @elijahloiacono
    @elijahloiacono Před rokem +653

    I can NOT say how many years it's been since a 1+hours video was in the top 50 on trending. Congrats Mat, that's quite the accomplishment!

    • @robotic-race
      @robotic-race Před rokem +8

      This could've very easily been under an hour lol

    • @Mardikuz
      @Mardikuz Před rokem +59

      @@robotic-race it wouldn't be gtnotlive so

    • @Gallarday
      @Gallarday Před rokem +17

      ​@@robotic-race and? Xd

    • @aldii8614
      @aldii8614 Před rokem +7

      my lizard brain didn't get distracted for an entire HOUR!

    • @imaboisir7227
      @imaboisir7227 Před 10 měsíci

      Less than a year bro

  • @royliber3824
    @royliber3824 Před rokem +273

    The more ID's Fantsay explains the Candy Cadet stories, the more I think each of the stories actually do represent different parts from the timeline and in each occasion there was a different entity tampering with the 5 dead children. Like mentioned in the comments, even the story about the woman makes sense if she is represented as the Puppet. I would love to see a live debate between ID's Fantasy and Game Theories at one point where they expand completely on the FNaF timeline and events till they manage to cover any plot-hole there might be.

    • @Archfiend_Sushi7746
      @Archfiend_Sushi7746 Před rokem +2

      Thank you for that, an interesting contribution and food for thought for me.

  • @MarKreationsStudios
    @MarKreationsStudios Před rokem +2597

    She's a relatively new theorist and I love her thoughts on things! She deserves this shout-out!

    • @NerdAlert4224
      @NerdAlert4224 Před rokem +53

      Ikr, someone who commended on her video was hoping he’d react. I really like her take on things

    • @SarahAbramova
      @SarahAbramova Před rokem +16

      I've really enjoyed her theories!

    • @Yumi_Jay
      @Yumi_Jay Před rokem +33

      She was mentioned recently on the latest theory video along with John from Funaff. I like how Matt encouraged people to make theory videos when he was discussing copyright laws on film theory recently.

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem +84

      Thank you :D

    • @samhinojosa2011
      @samhinojosa2011 Před rokem +5

      I found her yesterday and caught up. I love her videos she has a great personality for these videos.

  • @camilaacosta1508
    @camilaacosta1508 Před rokem +5793

    Love the fact that Matt takes really well to constructive criticism

    • @seankock7649
      @seankock7649 Před rokem +57

      Nowadays

    • @naomif9964
      @naomif9964 Před rokem +397

      ​@@seankock7649 we're all always growing

    • @TylerrTazer
      @TylerrTazer Před rokem +466

      @@seankock7649 I'm sure you used to wear diapers but it's weird to bring that up to discredit that you don't wear them now.

    • @-Apothecary-
      @-Apothecary- Před rokem +73

      ​@@TylerrTazer Frrrr

    • @seankock7649
      @seankock7649 Před rokem +26

      @@naomif9964 im happy for him

  • @beck3319
    @beck3319 Před rokem +173

    Huge props to MatPat to giving such a small creator the spotlight! I found Id's Fantasy the last few weeks waiting for him to finish his timeline, she's such a good channel!

  • @SethLordChannel
    @SethLordChannel Před rokem +163

    I had a thought while watching this and the Candy Cadet thing really intrigued me. I don’t think ID’s Fantasy is too far off on the allusion to the three characters representing Charlie, Michael, and Henry.
    Each story actually DOES present a fourth factor, one that causes the stories to differentiate. Each story is similar in that there is a focal person, five things dead or trapped, and a thing that causes the trapping/death. The fourth, differentiating factor is their actions/results.
    The Woman tries to set these five kids free from the rooms someone trapped them in, but she can’t.
    Charlie tries to set the five spirits free from the animatronics (rooms) that William trapped them in, but she can’t.
    The Boy turns a blind eye to his snake killing the five kittens, then turns on it and tries to set things right, but he can’t.
    Michael turns a blind eye to his father (the snake), then turns against his father and tries to set things right, but he can’t.
    The Man discovers that the five children were killed, he stitches/brings the kids together, and lays them to rest in a single coffin.
    Henry discovers that the lost souls are still out there, gathers the souls to one location (the coffin), his last solution, and burns the building down to lay them to rest.

    • @notapplicable4044
      @notapplicable4044 Před 10 měsíci +10

      I had the same thought! Also this would imply that the happiest day ending in fnaf 3 probably wasnt the ending the story has been building off of because Charlie couldnt free the spirits like she does in the mini game.

    • @CaptainRickey
      @CaptainRickey Před 10 měsíci +7

      Except the snake only kills one kitten, not 5. There is no 5 becoming one in that story.

    • @GhoulishGwyn
      @GhoulishGwyn Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@CaptainRickeyI think that’s where it works if we interpret the kitten as Elizabeth. Michael tries to help her, but ends up freeing Ennard and getting scooped.

    • @Artemis13579
      @Artemis13579 Před 7 měsíci

      Omg this! Love this

    • @Artemis13579
      @Artemis13579 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@CaptainRickeywhen he tries to put together the remains isnt that 5 kittens being stitched together?

  • @quincykoala3309
    @quincykoala3309 Před rokem +3395

    I love when he works with the community like this showing how he cares about including all members of the fanbase.

  • @CosmicNebula444
    @CosmicNebula444 Před rokem +927

    It's hilarious that every time Mat finds a new fnaf theorist, he immediately gets them to join the team
    All will be assimilated
    Soon, it will be just Matpat

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 Před rokem +187

      Blobpat confirmed?

    • @TheWhanos
      @TheWhanos Před rokem +5

      Fuhnaff isn't part of the team

    • @Silvia_Arienti
      @Silvia_Arienti Před rokem +125

      ​@@TheWhanos*_yet_*

    • @TheWhanos
      @TheWhanos Před rokem +4

      @Silvia Arienti i don't think he's going to join team theorist

    • @squardzilla8043
      @squardzilla8043 Před rokem +72

      Matpat is just playing theorist Monopoly

  • @DessArtem
    @DessArtem Před rokem +112

    I think one of the strongest takeaways from the Candy Cadet stories is the running theme of Futility. This especially ties the key story to the others, in that no matter what each person does to put things back together, they can't bring about the happy outcome they want. I wonder if Michael had helped William in the past and is trying to fix his own mistakes as well as his father's.
    (That would be an interesting story in general, a killer trying to bring their victims back to life.)

  • @AceFaz
    @AceFaz Před rokem +75

    Actually, during Dawko's Interview with Scott, Scott actually didn't want to answer the question of which Fnaf 3 ending happened, saying it would just cause distress among the fan base.
    So that point is still Very much out in the open (Unless he has clarified since then).
    He said he thought about it for a long time, put a lot of thought into it, but doesn't want to answer the question.

    • @cluver99
      @cluver99 Před rokem +5

      YEEEES. Thats it! I'm always talking about thaaat. The Bad Ending is the canon for that game at this point. Obviously we can pick up things from the Good Ending minigames like the Golden Freddy indentity as the crying child (or cassidy or whatever you want to believe) but the real canon ening is the one where the spirits remaing in their suits

  • @tjgreatness2106
    @tjgreatness2106 Před rokem +1330

    Something I (and probably others) just noticed about the Candy Cadet stories is how the woman, kid, and old man all make different decisions. The woman makes a conscious choice to act, the kid chooses inaction, and the old man has no choice at all. I have no idea what it could mean, but it was something I noticed.

    • @sarhahillsburg5142
      @sarhahillsburg5142 Před rokem +118

      Also Candy Cadet story with kittens wasn't 5 kittens died. Only ONE of the kittens are stitched back together which reminds me of "I'll will put you back together" of crying child who gets head bitten. Yeah?
      Idk why he makes it seem its five kittens stitched together like the 5 children in one coffin.
      If anything the 2nd story with kittens sticks out as odd one cause only one death. Similar to either Charlie's deaths and crying child.
      While the woman and old man both are about 5 of something being made into 1. 5 keys melted into one. 5 kids stitched into one.
      I feel he may be a but confused or stuck on his thoughts

    • @YoBoyNeptune
      @YoBoyNeptune Před rokem +66

      ​@@sarhahillsburg5142 I think many people assume the snake came back to eat a kitten every night

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem +42

      Yep!

    • @miranda4912
      @miranda4912 Před rokem +45

      just re listened to the candy cadet stories and it says the snake eats one kitten per night for five nights…

    • @miranda4912
      @miranda4912 Před rokem +23

      it only changes to the singular once the kitten pieces are sewn together to form one kitten

  • @darkwubshd4961
    @darkwubshd4961 Před rokem +1518

    We can tell Matt goes to therapy by how well he handles confrontation

  • @corruptspectator973
    @corruptspectator973 Před rokem +137

    i’m so happy that she is getting this wide show so people are going to start watching her more, she absolutely deserves it

  • @bananatassium7009
    @bananatassium7009 Před rokem +46

    I find the Candy Cadet section very interesting to think about, because the inclusion of Michael as a good-intentioned player with a negative outcome (thanks to a malicious third party) in more scenarios than we knew really resonates story-wise. Mike feels like he was introduced as a character that distinctly does villainous actions from the FNAF 4 minigames, and there is a weird black box maturation from that to protagonist, so it makes me wonder if William was almost puppeteering bad things to happen around him. Thematically, I can imagine Mike experiencing a very negative early life where tragedy befalls everyone that surrounds him and a lot of it feeling like his fault, but then he gradually realizes that William was the reason behind a lot of those events occurring. Would really build extra emphasis on his hatred for William that led to the *"I'm going to come find you."* voiceover (honestly one of my favorite parts of the series), I feel like as the main protagonist of the entire series he should have more of a personalized motivation than just "uh oh i found out about the bad stuff thats been happening."

  • @zariasafonova7220
    @zariasafonova7220 Před rokem +849

    First glance: Yes, MatPat did stretch a 16 minute video into an hour and 8 minutes
    After watching: I can't believe I underestimated MatPat

    • @paulreu7118
      @paulreu7118 Před rokem +88

      It seems you have overlooked that he only used 6 minutes of these 16 and stretched these into an hour. Truly an amzing feat on matpats part

    • @zariasafonova7220
      @zariasafonova7220 Před rokem +51

      @@paulreu7118 Truly next level. I look forward to MatPat breaking his current video:theorizing record

    • @zsation240
      @zsation240 Před rokem +46

      Matpat could make a 12hour video over a single picture.

    • @AceFaz
      @AceFaz Před rokem +7

      ​@@zariasafonova7220
      NEWWW RECORD!!!
      Theory : Video
      9 : 1

    • @flyingfairything
      @flyingfairything Před rokem

      ​@@paulreu7118 he straight up turned each minute into almost 10

  • @IDsFantasy
    @IDsFantasy Před rokem +122

    YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (Haven't finished the video, mostly reacting just to making it into a GTLive XD)

  • @tumulterudition3228
    @tumulterudition3228 Před rokem +57

    Charlie is the key one because it is not about the fusing of the keys. It’s about her trying to free/save five trapped children. Brining five keys together and failing is about to bring the spirits together and failing to help.

    • @madamplatypus313
      @madamplatypus313 Před 5 měsíci +1

      That part of the video particularly irked me, it’s like he focused purely on the keys as objects, not what was actually going on in the story.

  • @RewandRequiem
    @RewandRequiem Před rokem +35

    I could be completely wrong but what i think she means with the candy cadet stories linking to charlie, michael & henry is as follows.
    1st Story: Charlie in trying to save everyone ends up failing to truly save anyone
    2nd Story: Michael initially ignores a murder then later regrets it & tries to put them back together (the "murder" in this case may refer to his accidental killing of his brother)
    3rd Story: Henry fails to save all who he cares about but manages to lay them all to rest in one place
    I would also like to say that while writing this I realised that the 5 things in each story may refer to different things:
    1st Story: The 5 missing kids (charlie tries to save them but can only put them in robots)
    2nd Story: The 5 members of the afton family (only 1 of the five kittens in the story die)
    3rd Story: The 5 who "died" in the fire of fnaf6 (Molten Freddy, Springtrap, Scrap Baby, Lefty & Michael)
    I don't doubt that I could be proven wrong in this but this is just my personal theory that I came up with based on what she said

  • @BloodyJoker234
    @BloodyJoker234 Před rokem +841

    I think her candy cadet theory is actually so intelligent and makes so much sense and I feel like people are gonna look back and see how I’m point she was it shows that Charlie failed to save them, Michael is trying to piece it together and Henry is trying to just put it all in 1 coffin and get rid of everything

    • @AlbinTM
      @AlbinTM Před rokem +61

      Honestly this. I'm not very deeply intune with the FnaF theories and stuff, i basically only watch the Fnaf theory stuff that comes out on this channel and has only started doing so since around when he first reacted to FuhNaffs theories, so this is my first time being exposed to the Candy Cadet stories. My first thought, though driven by only surface level knowledge, was to associate the three in the way she did. That section here kinda made me want to tell Mat to listen to his own prior statement on Occam's razor.
      Cause hes right in that the villain in the stories seem to be doing the same thing, killing or destroying innocence, but the three protagonists, the Woman, the Boy, and the Man are all doing different things. The Woman is trying to save them all but she can't(instantly makes me think of the "you can't" sequence), the Boy passively allows their suffering but in regret "fixes" them and brings them back together again(don't actually remember all the games but this has me thinking of them being gathered for the one where the fire happens burning them all), and the final one with the Man who only had one coffin to put them all to rest in(the burning pizzeria itself could very well be this coffin, the place where he put them all to rest). To sum up the three protagonist all seem to be doing different things, with seemingly different motivations thus making it the most simple solution(Occam's Razor) that they are all different characters.

    • @BloodyJoker234
      @BloodyJoker234 Před rokem +27

      @@AlbinTM like you said it sucks Mattpatt isn’t seeing it because it’s very obvious once you see it this way that’s why he is so confused trying to decipher it cause he is stuck in the path of thought. What you said is right in the money and I agree and it adds so much to the lore to see which characters are a focus

    • @AlbinTM
      @AlbinTM Před rokem +25

      @@BloodyJoker234 I genuinely think this is something Mat can be said to struggle with in general, in that at this point he already has a predefined theory that encompases just about the entireity of the Fnaf Series.
      So if someone brings up something that doesn't agree with it, even something like this with the Cadet Stories, his first instinct is to argue and dismiss, not because he is being malicious in any way but because his universal theory has, because he has worked with it so much, become his baseline for what "makes sense" in the Fnaf series. So even this with the Cadet stories don't "make sense" or are not "simple" cause he's subconsciously operating with a different baseline. Everytime he is met with a different theory he essentially has to go through a process of reseting his baseline before he can handle it constructively. At least that's my impression from this video and the ones where he reacted to Fuhnaffs theories.

    • @BloodyJoker234
      @BloodyJoker234 Před rokem +8

      @@AlbinTM absolutely I’d say that he should be like that if you don’t have confidence in your theory then it’s probably not a good one I get it completely and I know once he figures it out he will come around reluctantly because I know how much work goes into redoing everything after you figure out 1 thing is different. I wasn’t attacking him just saying that this new theorist on the scene came in with some heat

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem +18

      Exactly!

  • @AryaTheTerrorTabby
    @AryaTheTerrorTabby Před rokem +977

    Please invite her to the talk back!!!
    She has some wonderful theories, plus it would be nice to see more ladies on the screen.
    Ps. RyeToast has some great points too for another theorist to invite 😊

    • @blubber9047
      @blubber9047 Před rokem +43

      I love ryetoast so much. A lot of what he says builds off of MatPat and it’s great

    • @QuincyChen
      @QuincyChen Před rokem +21

      Those two and FuhNaff would be great!

    • @ajkcool
      @ajkcool Před rokem +31

      I think Matt doesn't react to/watch RyeToast is because Toast either:
      A. Builds off of what Matt already said
      B. Comes up with so many small theories, there's too much to react to

    • @ziridestaudios
      @ziridestaudios Před rokem +2

      YES

    • @AstralShot
      @AstralShot Před rokem +3

      Yeah I vouch for her to be invited

  • @ToshinoriV2
    @ToshinoriV2 Před rokem +31

    The part where ID was comparing the three characters in the candy cadet stories to Charlie, Michael, and Henry makes sense to me. Because what all three of those characters have in common is that they are *AGAINST* William Afton by trying to stop him and clean up his mess.

  • @moonlightblade11
    @moonlightblade11 Před rokem +14

    Something about listening to 2 individuals talking blatante nonesense like lighting in such a carefree and relaxed way is just so entertaining and relaxing at the same time.

  • @justnd0257
    @justnd0257 Před rokem +496

    Oof, glad that MatPat has a sense of humour and isn't above laughing at himself because that dig was brutal af. 😬

  • @artmayel9627
    @artmayel9627 Před rokem +498

    I love that when Ash is not there everything goes wrong 😂

    • @JustAHuman101
      @JustAHuman101 Před rokem +75

      With the chaos of Ash comes the peace of the land.

    • @PerovNigma
      @PerovNigma Před rokem +21

      ​​@@JustAHuman101 Ash pulls in the chaos like a conductor, and without them, it spreads to all corners.

    • @JustAHuman101
      @JustAHuman101 Před rokem +10

      @@PerovNigma No. Ash IS the chaos.

  • @laineywillis289
    @laineywillis289 Před rokem +26

    I feel like the spirits being in two places bit at the end makes perfect sense, the metal is like a tether that holds them here and is a totem of their energy but they aren’t exclusively bound to it

    • @Specsboy1999
      @Specsboy1999 Před rokem +2

      I am thinking the same thing due to the clarification of remnant and agony, the spirits being from the remnant get to pass on (if the good ending of fnaf 3 is the canon route) while the agony remains within the funtime animatronics which helps explain their behaviour a bit and why the blob is active at the end of SB.

  • @dcross0616
    @dcross0616 Před rokem +29

    I think each of the Candy Cadet stories can represent a different character. The old man who adopts the children and stitches their bodies together, only to be greeted by a knock at the door is Michael, who inadvertently ties all the Funtime Animatronics together to make Ennard, with the knock at the door representing his scooping (a knock at heaven’s door, if you will). The young woman melting the keys is Charlie. Her attempts to free the souls in Happiest Day are misguided, with the freed souls only being further tormented despite her best attempts to help. And finally, the young boy with the kittens is William. One by one, the thing he brought into his home (the idea of Freddy Fazbear’s) picks off his kittens (his children) one by one, until he snaps and takes his revenge, which could be killing Charlie.

    • @KeeganPlays
      @KeeganPlays Před rokem +1

      Small problem: In the Kitten story (at least by what is given in the video), only one cat dies.
      "The snake went into the shoebox, chose a kitten at random, and ate it. After five nights had gone by, the boy was full of regrets, and cut the snake open. He pieced the remains together and put the kitten back in the shoebox."
      I dunno, maybe I'm misreading it, but all I can read it as is "One cat gets eaten, five nights go by, and then the snake is killed and the cat is put back together.

    • @dcross0616
      @dcross0616 Před rokem +1

      @@KeeganPlays that’s a good point, it’s a bit vague but I could see it going either way. I interpreted it as: there’s five baby kittens, five nights, and one hungry snake. I think one gets eaten every night? But that’s a great point, I hadn’t considered that. Perhaps that means Michael is the boy with the kittens - he accidentally gets one boy killed and lives with the guilt for five nights.

    • @KeeganPlays
      @KeeganPlays Před rokem

      @@dcross0616 Hmm... You're interpretation also makes quite a bit of sense...
      If I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I can phrase anything I think coherently into the story. Your interpretation on how what I heard would fit in sounds pretty cool, but I have no method of confirming its relevance to the story myself. My brain is tiny, and I can't fit all the crazy FNAF lore bits into it at once DX
      Still, everything you've said sounds pretty logical, so I guess I'll just see it as that until someone can provide some better counterargument than my weak one XD

  • @alienorca4137
    @alienorca4137 Před rokem +504

    I love it when responds to criticism of his theories, because he’s not a jerk when he does it and he acknowledges that they’re not perfect. I wish he did this more often.

    • @Mike_Dubo
      @Mike_Dubo Před rokem +24

      I honestly believe he should do some kind of "Theory Redux" deal, where he goes back to look at the criticism of previous theories, and see if they still hold water. He says these theories are suppossed to bring out discussions, but that doesn't happen much if you make barely any sort of visibls response on your channel, and most of the comments are just different variations of congradulatory statements.

    • @johnman8398
      @johnman8398 Před rokem +33

      ​@@Mike_Dubo His theories do promote discussion though, there several twitter threads, reddit posts and even youtubers who talk about the theories matpat makes. His own comment section is just a drop in the bucket compared to how much discussion practically everywhere else his theories promote.

    • @gaminganimators7000
      @gaminganimators7000 Před rokem +1

      Not anymore anyways

    • @Just_Jam94
      @Just_Jam94 Před rokem +5

      @@johnman8398 I think the point is that it should be discussion with MatPat, not among rest of the community, when he is only proposing topic of discussion. I also wish he would do that more often.

    • @Pizzaetertje
      @Pizzaetertje Před rokem +1

      Flashback to the hollow knight theory

  • @adammurphy5699
    @adammurphy5699 Před rokem +342

    When Afton disassembles the animatronics, the souls of the children could stay in the building, but the agony of their death stays with the metal collected. Seems likes the most logical reasoning based on how this franchise operates now.

    • @Just_Jam94
      @Just_Jam94 Před rokem +11

      I think that looking at "how this franchise operates" isn't the best approach. This franchise operates in chaos. Always were and probably always will be, becouse it's how it keeps people hooked. When answer seems to be just around the corner, but you can never reach it (b/c FNaF doesn't have right answer) you will chase it as long as you have motivation - which is usually fueled by fan content.
      In the end it's just bunch of random bullshit, which people try to make sens of. But it's fun, so I'm happy to roll with it :)

    • @ArachnidSyther
      @ArachnidSyther Před rokem +1

      I completely Subscribe to this and believe it may have been eluded to at some point in the books (But I forget where).

    • @sanicinapanic4264
      @sanicinapanic4264 Před rokem

      @Nightsun642 Well yeah it the fun times were made to capture kids they (Elizbeth dies) then they are injected with remnant except for baby (But that's just a theory a comment theory)

    • @johnnyreed8144
      @johnnyreed8144 Před rokem

      I was just about to say this, thanks lol

    • @curse5697
      @curse5697 Před rokem +1

      ikr? even matpat made a theory saying that you could extract the remnant of the metal and the "anger" or something like that, which is their agony and anger

  • @calicorobo3594
    @calicorobo3594 Před rokem +48

    Based on your last video in the timeline, the woman in the Candy Cadet stories best fits Mrs. Afton, with her, and the family being the keys. I always found it odd how the woman wanted to first melt the keys together instead of just unlocking the doors, or trying, to save as many kids as possible. Instead of trying to make sure as many kids escape the wrath of William (as represented by the fire) she focuses on bringing the family together, resulting in the loss of the children. I do think ID is right about the other two, that makes some semblance of sense.

  • @ImBirdBrained
    @ImBirdBrained Před rokem +21

    Not that it's a big or important thing, but I love how you guys take and work with the constructive criticism you guys get, as well as the transparency of your video creation. Very mature, and organized, and it makes for a far better community imo.
    P.S. laughing about getting called out and immediately responding, chefs kiss.

  • @aniqueevans1547
    @aniqueevans1547 Před rokem +392

    It makes me feel so validated that even Matpat with his encyclopedic knowledge of FNAF still had to pause and process what she's saying because she's packs in so much info so quickly into her sentences. I had to watch her video at 0.75 speed just so I could absorb the information and not get lost.

    • @Just_Jam94
      @Just_Jam94 Před rokem +2

      I know what you mean, I had to slow down aswell, but in my case that was slowing to 1.0, when my YT standard speed is 1.25 (1.5 for some channels). And I don't even care that much :D

  • @averyhere
    @averyhere Před rokem +337

    I literally found this creator 1 hour ago, watched this theory, and said to myself: "It would be so cool if MatPat reacted to this video, I think he would enjoy it" and now here we are.

  • @pokycooly
    @pokycooly Před rokem +3

    26:13 hey there old sport

  • @Reanchi
    @Reanchi Před rokem +2

    18:09: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!

  • @demon21gr9
    @demon21gr9 Před rokem +723

    Now Candy Cadet's story with the keys reminded me somewhat of the puppet. A female figure trying to save 5 children, but failing to do so, imprisoning them. And we see the puppet, with the soul of Charlie, trying to save the souls of the dead children, but instead of setting them free, she puts them inside the animatronics, imprisoning them for eternity, until FNAF 3 where Michael makes them relive their "Happiest Day". Even the action makes sense, being protective and thinking its the best thing to do. The only problem is the key, like, what does it represent?

    • @mushqoom663
      @mushqoom663 Před rokem +88

      maybe the key represents the puppet trying to give all the different children the same solution, yet in turn giving a solution to none of them

    • @verdantmistral442
      @verdantmistral442 Před rokem +40

      @@mushqoom663 Additionally, the key is give life. Whatever the puppet did to give life was the key. Though it does hint that she may have been able to actually save one of the five. Only four had to actually die, but her solution doomed all five.

    • @florencedelves7409
      @florencedelves7409 Před rokem +7

      Perhaps they key represents Mike, as a key to the door of the afterlife. But that ultimately fails, as the bad ending of fnaf 3, I think at least, is cannon, so the souls aren't at rest just like they children were never freed because the key didn't manage to open any of them

    • @WestyZaffles
      @WestyZaffles Před rokem +5

      YESSS thought the same thing but wanted to see if someone else thought it before me lol… draws more parallels with the puppet than Willie

  • @braydenbanks4228
    @braydenbanks4228 Před rokem +302

    A note of what ID's Fantasy might've meant when she said: Woman=Charlie, Boy=Michael, Old Man=Henry is that the actions of the Woman, Boy, and Old Man mirror the actions of their implied parallel. Charlie, who, took five lost and hopeless souls, and bound them to one singular purpose, but only made the problem worse. Michael, who, in his ignorance of the problem, caused the problem to get worse, then feeling guilty about his part, cleaned up the mess that the snake(his father) had made. Finally, there's Henry who tried to make everyone happy, but when someone burgled that happiness, he used what little power and resources he had remaining to try and put the matter to rest.

    • @mrksimka1159
      @mrksimka1159 Před rokem +13

      Couldn't say it better myself. Especially Charlie part.

    • @laraschroeder5195
      @laraschroeder5195 Před rokem +8

      The man in the story and Henry both brought the children to one place, but unlike the Man, Henry brought them on purpose to have them all killed at once, whilst the Man never intended to bring them all in one place to have them killed.
      The Man brought them to one place to protect them
      Henry brought them to one place to destroy them

    • @kksmith2282
      @kksmith2282 Před rokem +1

      Thanks, I understood the other two (especially Henry - if you listen to the story thinking about that it fits so well) but I was having trouble seeing the Charlie parallel. But this makes sense :3

    • @braydenbanks4228
      @braydenbanks4228 Před rokem +3

      @@laraschroeder5195 I understand your thoughts there, but the entire point of what I was saying is that the story of the old man is a parallel to Henry's entire role throughout the franchise, especially if you give weight to this new timeline, as Henry created a place for all children to have fun, thus bringing all of the missing children's incident victims to 1 place. After they were killed by the Burglar(William Afton), he stitched them back together(brought them all to the pizzeria simulator location), and buried them together(burned down the pizzeria simulator location to set the souls free and disbanded Freddy Fazbear entertainment as a corporate entity).

    • @personismaybe0610
      @personismaybe0610 Před rokem

      @@laraschroeder5195 the old man has to be Michael in my opinion. He’s the only character apart from Charlie that wants to help and protect the spirits.

  • @Raivon
    @Raivon Před rokem +7

    14 seconds in and Matpat's already ashes on the ground. Magnificent.

  • @KeeganPlays
    @KeeganPlays Před rokem +9

    I love that, when going over the Candy Cadet stories, the one that stands out as different to Mat is the one with the five keys getting melted together into one (the one that supports the Molten MCI theory), and not the Kitten one where only one thing dies XD

  • @IkerUnzu
    @IkerUnzu Před rokem +524

    I'm so happy you reacted to her theory!! Her theories are so good! She deserves it!!

  • @whyisreal
    @whyisreal Před rokem +64

    Matpat sees a 17-minute video.
    Matpat: OK I think we could made this a movie

  • @scribblecloud
    @scribblecloud Před 7 měsíci +2

    as someone who has often had to pause.. replay.. and think for like a good minute in a lot of matpats fnaf theories, seeing him go through exactly the same thing in 39:00 feels so hilariously validating 😂

  • @Ap4dana_45
    @Ap4dana_45 Před rokem +18

    I really love the idea of maybe hire @ID's Fantasy . Since i've been watching her for a long time now, and i enjoy her content, just like your's. Seeing her on the team, would be so cool.🥰

  • @ems_stars
    @ems_stars Před rokem +311

    Ok, actually, the candy cadet stories being representive of charlie, micheal, and henry works really well imo. Each story is essentially telling the same story from 3 different perspectives: the young woman has the power to help one innocent but in trying to help them all instead dooms them, the young boy ignoring the problem until its too late while being complicit in their initiation, and the man trying his best to help the kids but by doing so makes it easier for them to be killed (being in the same house) followed by combining thier bodies.
    All these line up well with the stories of Charlie, Micheal, and Henry as we know them right now.
    Charlie, killed at a young age and trapped in the puppet, tried her best to help the other kids who were killed by giving them life in the suits. Though she did not realise how that would be torment eventually and being trapped in the suits was not the best outcome.
    Micheal, the instigator of missing childrens incident in so much that he got his little brother killed, was passive, unaware, or even helpful for his father's cruel actions in the years to follow. When he learns of the true scale and reality of what his father had done, he regretted what he did and went around attempting to put things back together and release the souls. Make it as it should have been. And arguably, he is the reason ennard/molten freddy was able to get out of the basement. Here, the kitten and molten freddy are certain direct parallels.
    Lastly, Henry. This one, I'll admit, is a little less clean cut from my understanding and what we know for sure so far, so I am eager to see what ID's Fantasy says about this theory. However, Henry is presented as a gentle man who just wants to help and entertain kids. It's when his partnership with William takes a turn for the worst, through the events of Charlie being killed, Henry is absorbed in grief or his work and isn't paying attention to William and what he is doing in the place they built to entertain kids. Here, when he isn't paying attention, William strikes, and Henry feels responsible due to him thinking he could've stopped it by doing whatever measures he thinks he may have been able to put in place. Now I find it's a bit sticky. The story says that the gentle man sewed the children together to fit in the coffin which doesn't quite line up with the story as I feel it is very unlikely Henry is involved in the creation of the funtimes and subsequent molten freddy (again, direct parallel between molten freddy and the stitched together children). Though, he may have had some role in the development of the technology from after Charlie died.
    Anyways, I think this is a very interesting thread to follow and consider.

    • @hierroarcanjo451
      @hierroarcanjo451 Před rokem +45

      I mean, if you think about it right, the part about the coffin might not be about the children dying anymore, and instead be about how he lures Baby, Michael, William, Molten and Charlie all to die in a single place. Kinda prefacing his plan with Candy Cadet.

    • @tobiletsplay
      @tobiletsplay Před rokem +8

      ​@@hierroarcanjo451 yo thats not bad

    • @CaptainRickey
      @CaptainRickey Před rokem +9

      To add to this: Molten MCI relies on there being 5 endoskeletons to melt down into 1 remnant injector.
      Problem number 1: golden freddy is attached to 2 souls not 1, therefore it should've been 6 into 1, not 5.
      Problem number 2: golden freddy doesn't have an endo skeleton. Can't be molten down because Cassidy is still clearly connected to Golden Freddy post FNAF 6 and not the funtimes so it should be 4 into 1.
      Problem number 3: Candy cadet's story never tells about the remnant being split across the funtimes. Does that mean FTF is the only one actually possessed by Molten MCI? Maybe, but consider this: in SL, who stands out from the others? It's not FTF, it's baby. Baby is clearly different from the others. That inherently groups FTF with the other animatronics, which would mean that either all of them are possessed or none of them are.
      I also wanted to add that it's afaik never stated (at least not in the games) that remnant IS the soul of a kid. It's called remnant, and the name might be more indicative of what it is. It is like agony, emotion left behind by a soul after it inhabited the object. So it's not so much that the souls of MCI are in molten freddy, but that the remnant of the souls (whether that be MCI or other kids) are in molten freddy.

    • @robotstar3876
      @robotstar3876 Před rokem +3

      ​@@CaptainRickey isnt the rarely endoskeleton moving around but not killing u in FNAF 2 the golden freedy's endoskeleton. I think it fits alot becuz in FNAF 1 their was an endoskeleton sitting in the parts and services room on the table which in rare occurrences in the camera u can see it looking at u. And Cassidy almost controls the whole golden freedy suit cuz she is a powerful spirit while crying child doesnt.

    • @origon4477
      @origon4477 Před rokem +1

      But the 5 keys melted into 1 doesn't sound a lot like Charlie and the puppet. When does the puppet put 5 things into 1? Doesn't make sense to me

  • @deretop7119
    @deretop7119 Před rokem +210

    What I believe the candy cadet stories are about is 3 seperate stories of essentially the same problem being solved by different people. The women with the keys is the puppet since she tries to help the children who Afton killed, but in doing so the spirits can't move on so she ends up helping none of them. The story of the young boy is about Michael who saw what his father had done and ignored only to end up helping them later. The story of the old man is Henry who tries to put all the animatronics in one "coffin". I believe that that the snake burgaler and fire all represent Afton but the stories are the different peoples solutions to those problems.

    • @kamryndavis1668
      @kamryndavis1668 Před rokem +10

      This!!!!!

    • @toto1539
      @toto1539 Před rokem +9

      This is really strong

    • @DragonGamer64
      @DragonGamer64 Před rokem +13

      This logically makes the most sense, but the snake being killed is what tripped me up. Could be a reference to burning Springtrap in FNaF 3. However, I challenge that Mike and Henry could arguably swap stories.

    • @zonda2220
      @zonda2220 Před rokem +9

      While Michael and Henry makes some amount of sense, the puppet part doesn't really.
      "The puppet had the chance to save but 1 kid & Save herself. Instead, she tried to save all of them, and failed, and chose to die with them." It just doesn't really add up given that it would mean that Charlie either died because she tried to save the original 5 kids, and then William killed her as revenge, or else then after her posessing the puppet, had some way to either save 1 kid either physically or spiritually, and then pass on, but chose to stay behind with them as ghosts which just seems like a bit of an odd rule on "bringing kids happyness". (Though maybe you could try to link it to the happiest day minigame and say that fails to bring the 5 of them to peace)

    • @AlysidaMagica
      @AlysidaMagica Před rokem +8

      @@DragonGamer64 I don’t think the snake and fire actually represent William at all.
      The fire is used by the woman, aka Charlie aka the puppet, to try and fail to save the children. If the keys represent the lives of the five kids, the fire represents the animatronics that the puppet put them in.
      Then in the snake story, the kid aka Michael cuts open the snake to remove the five kittens trapped inside. I believe this story maps to the plot of Sister Location, in which Michael enters or “cuts open” the Circus Baby Rental facility, and five animatronics, fused into one (Ennard) cram into one shoebox (Michael’s scooped body)
      I don’t know if the burglar represents William either, though it’s possible. Because in that story, Henry puts five entities (Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, Springtrap, Lefty, and Michael) into one coffin (the building). Spring trap, aka William, is one of the five orphans in this story. Then again, if Mike can pull double duty as a kid and a shoebox in the snake story, William can pull double duty as an orphan and a burglar in this one. Getting himself Springtrapped *was* his own fault, after all

  • @jamietrefz
    @jamietrefz Před rokem +3

    Matt I think you've brought up some really great points that have really changed my perspective of the timeline. The link to silver eyes and William Afton going back to the locations is actually such a great link however it felt like you made it sound like a very close cat and mouse chase where it's really decades long. Keep doing what your doing man!

  • @baconthedude
    @baconthedude Před rokem +7

    With Charlie being the woman, I agree. It's Charlie choosing to risk something, by putting the souls into the animatronics, leading them to being trapped forever. For the story it was also an all of nothing gamble leading to the kids being trapped forever.

  • @jordanbohannan4589
    @jordanbohannan4589 Před rokem +899

    17:40
    Mat: “If this is your audition to join the team, we’ll see how you do”
    IDs: Begins by roasting Mat
    Mat: “I like this one”

  • @TravisPlushProductions
    @TravisPlushProductions Před rokem +504

    Something I’ve always felt is that Micheals speech at the end of sister location feels much more sinister than everyone took it.
    “I put her back together, just like you asked me to”
    “BUT something is wrong with me”
    It almost feels like Mike was in on getting scooped, like he had planned to die in order to put his sister back together and didn’t expect to live. But enraged that he’s essentially just a walking corpse now wants revenge on his father for not telling him the scooper would keep him alive (the blueprints in Fnaf 6 show it deliberately injects remnant into what it scoops)
    It’s a bit loose, but the idea that the third candy cadet story could be implying something else, and that line in the ultimate guide saying Micheal could’ve been assisting William certainly doesn’t hurt the theory.

    • @TheMinecraftHype
      @TheMinecraftHype Před rokem +55

      Ignoring all evidence and whatnot, and speaking from purely a narrative level: I agree.
      If FEELS right for Michael to be helping his father. A broken child who is partly reponsible for breaking his family... well, I'd imagine him clinging to his father (even if distantly). Aiding him. Then, *eventually* turning sides due to guilt, perhaps (or being in similar shoes as the dead-children after his the scooping accident).
      It's just far more compelling than 'Michael knew nothing, then found out and tried to fix things'. Being complicit is the way: agency makes more better stories - bystanders not so much.

    • @GendoRokabundi
      @GendoRokabundi Před rokem +59

      @@TheMinecraftHype also, the Afton family poster has him as a ventriloquist dummy of his father. It points both to him looking just like his father (mentioned a lot on sister location, by mike himself and the Immortal and the Restless) but also being used by him.
      It’s possible he was only partially aware of what his father was doing.
      We know that: (a) Micheal was a security guard
      (b) Micheal looks like his father
      (c) William gained access to those buildings as a security guard
      What if … William was never hired as a security guard? Micheal got the job, and because he looks like his son, William used his son’s uniform and credentials to access the building to do what he needed to do. Therefore Mike is fired for William tampering with the animatronics. It’s also possible that Mike gets the jobs to clean up after his dad. He might believe he’s trying to clear his father’s good name, or get back at the company that tried to push his father out, or maybe even that his father has explained there is someway to ‘fix’ his brother that requires stealing animatronic parts.
      There’s many ways for William to use Micheal without Mike knowing his father is a serial killer.

    • @TheMinecraftHype
      @TheMinecraftHype Před rokem +22

      @@GendoRokabundi Interesting idea!
      I do wonder if Michael could feasibly pass off as William though... even if they look alike, the age gap would surely be notable? Granted, within the confines of the story, perhaps there can be some suspension of disbelief here.
      Perhaps their physical resemblance is merely for symbolism's sake. Michael would be HEIR to the company, after all - he would have to take up his father's role - replace his father: he would be William 2.0 in not only appearance, but position.
      Perhaps Michael was groomed for this role, which would make it hard for Michael to be totally ignorant of everything... he need not know his father is a serial killer, but I'd imagine he'd be aware of some... dubious... shenanigans going on.
      Regardless, I like your ideas surrounding Michael trying to 'clean up' after his father.

    • @jordandrinkwater1345
      @jordandrinkwater1345 Před rokem +2

      @@TheMinecraftHype It's like Zuko from The Last Airbender.

    • @fiusionmaster3241
      @fiusionmaster3241 Před rokem

      Indeed

  • @Max_The_Flower
    @Max_The_Flower Před rokem +4

    I really liked how you included Mrs Afton! You also made Robot Gregory make a whole lot more sense

  • @Stoneeeeemo
    @Stoneeeeemo Před rokem +4

    the beginning part of ID calling you out was hella funny, but then with all the context of you wanting to call her to the team and all it got so much better

  • @kevinalston5441
    @kevinalston5441 Před rokem +269

    I do think the Candy Cadet stories being different people (Charlie, Michael, and Henry) makes sense. If you look at as each story as their reaction to the Missing Children Incident. Charlie in trying to save all of them fails to save any of them. Michael, who basically doesn’t function because of the Crying Child Incident, regrets not stopping his father and tries fixing it. When Henry finds out he as to put them to rest the only way he knows how.

    • @fishbowl5308
      @fishbowl5308 Před rokem +5

      See the issue I have with both sides is that neither work perfectly. If you look at them separately why are each one putting the five together. If you look at them like mat he's right there is an extra character who doesn't make sense. I think looking at the key story as a separate one is honestly the only one that makes sense as the keys could represent quite a lot

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS Před rokem +5

      @@fishbowl5308 narrative parallelism? either because it’s 3 different characters reacting to the same event (the 5 kids being murdered) in different ways, or because they’re narrative foils of each other. IDK if the theory is correct, but i can see 3 stories sounding similar but not all being allegories for the exact same thing, but rather 3 different stories that all tie into a central shared plot point (ie the MCI).

    • @Rabid_Mushroom
      @Rabid_Mushroom Před rokem

      I wonder if the fact that there are specifically three stories is at all relevant. If all the stories where the same, wouldn't it make more sense if there where five stories?

    • @fishbowl5308
      @fishbowl5308 Před rokem +2

      @@IONATVS even then why are two reactions stitching the dead together. I can see that with the keys. Say the keys represent each life Charlie trying to save all of them failed to save any. It's the other 2 I can't see. Why would Henry or Mike be stitching the bodies together what would that even mean if not fusing the kids together. The more I think on it the more my head hurts I can only imagine the sheer pain anyone trying to theorize about this franchise goes through

    • @r.achmadrivaldi8598
      @r.achmadrivaldi8598 Před rokem

      @@fishbowl5308 I agree with you. I can see Charlie trying to safe these kids and freed them. But for both Micheal and Henry, idk.

  • @OzoneYT
    @OzoneYT Před rokem +229

    LETS GO IDS FANTASY I'm so glad she's getting the recognition she deserves :)

    • @Sapphire864
      @Sapphire864 Před rokem +5

      I was jumping when I seen this video in my notifications ngl

  • @danielalexandre9750
    @danielalexandre9750 Před rokem +1

    I actually love the whole idea of your timeline, i think It's a really good interpretacion of events and personalities

  • @boulderfrogboulderfrog6512

    One thing i noticed is Matt's characterization of the key story as the odd one out. Assuming the on screen text is correct, only one kitten is eaten, and then that one kitten is put back together, unlike the 5 things, keys in the first story and corpses in the third that are combined in the other ones.

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem +2

      Exactly

    • @lilybirdflowergum8683
      @lilybirdflowergum8683 Před 11 měsíci

      Another difference I saw is that the old man and the woman were trying to save the children by fusing five things while the kid in the kitten story already believes he needs to sacrifice a kid and just has a hard time deciding which one TO sacrifice.

  • @silverashley7337
    @silverashley7337 Před rokem +185

    I think part of the charm of GTLive is the uncut, uncensored-Ness of it.
    It's like we just sit down with Matt to chill and participate in the days video lol

    • @EC_4
      @EC_4 Před rokem +12

      *uncensored-Sans

    • @CrystalFier
      @CrystalFier Před rokem +4

      Are you saying that Gtlive is NESS??? 😜

    • @poke-talia268
      @poke-talia268 Před rokem

      It's good for a makeshift body double

    • @SlavicFox
      @SlavicFox Před rokem

      NESS? FROM SUPER SMASH BROS???? AAAAAEEEEEEEHHHH

    • @Majjiick
      @Majjiick Před rokem

      Exactly, Matt is a great host.

  • @KimMinerLitton
    @KimMinerLitton Před rokem +145

    Me: Thinking I know FNAF lore really well
    Also me listening to ID and MatPat deeply critique each others theories using several different examples throughout the franchise: I'm just happy to be here!

    • @al_insan
      @al_insan Před rokem +3

      Yeah, at this point I'm just lost. Still, we've deep down in the lore, there's no going back now 😅

  • @brendanowens288
    @brendanowens288 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Coming back to this after watching the fnaf movie and hearing Marat say “a location can be closed and still have a security guard” was so cool

  • @buckeye5502
    @buckeye5502 Před rokem +5

    I think the candy cadet stories all have to do with the missing kids, but the "3rd party" as Mat put it, is a different person each time.
    1 Woman, 5 keys, trying but no kids were saved: Charlie
    1 Boy turning a blind eye to a snake he knew would come, feeling bad about what the snake did: Michael
    A kind man who was grieving over 5 children, brought them all together: Henry

  • @cloroxart
    @cloroxart Před rokem +272

    Can we take a moment to appreciate the editing team for the four parts?

  • @Randomthings394
    @Randomthings394 Před rokem +466

    I think we could all agree that no matter if Matpat makes a mistake we all love his content

  • @ThatRPGuy420
    @ThatRPGuy420 Před rokem +4

    It's good to see that MatPat can appreciate good jabs thrown at him

  • @kiaracanchola8124
    @kiaracanchola8124 Před rokem +4

    YESSSSSSSS but also no 4:15

  • @aidandowns2570
    @aidandowns2570 Před rokem +161

    With the Candy Cadet story, the shared coffin in the man’s story could be referring to how Henry burnt down the Fnaf 6 location, making it a common burial ground for all the spirits

  • @cryofpaine
    @cryofpaine Před rokem +113

    Sister Location has the hardest time fitting in the timeline because it is explicitly tied to Afton's motives, and we don't know Afton's motives. That is the key piece of information that we need to solidify the timeline. Was it the death of his son? The death of his daughter? Something else we don't even know about? Is he just a sociopath from the start? The answer to that would change where certain events come in the timeline, most notably Sister Location.

    • @takezokimura2571
      @takezokimura2571 Před rokem +9

      Is Ms. Afton dead or alive? Ballora seems to be inspired by Willian's wife due to her dialogue. So what if Afton was already experimenting with robots trying to bring his wife back to life?

    • @literallylondonn
      @literallylondonn Před rokem +1

      @@takezokimura2571 not sure but i think its just to represent her after she left him

  • @brdrdrdr
    @brdrdrdr Před 9 měsíci +1

    I do love that matpat genuinely listens to other theorists , like when he had fuhnaff john on and that hes open to everything too. Great sense of community with everyone :)

  • @notaleaf
    @notaleaf Před rokem +1

    53:16 honestly I think maybe Charlie? Melting all the keys together, leading to her not being able to save anyone, like when the save them mini game happens and "you cant" pops up? I mean she is kind of a reoccurring power in the story. Idk this is coming from someone who has probably watched way too many fnaf lore videos and still doesn't understand it but it could maybe make sense. :)

  • @berniebare371
    @berniebare371 Před rokem +283

    An interesting thing to note about the “Which FNaF 3 ending is canon?” question- whenever Dawko invited Scott onto the FNaF Show for the interview, Scott chose not to answer that exact same question, as he said the answer was “complex”. So I do think that the Bad Ending, to some extent, is canon.

    • @hanakoisbestgirl4752
      @hanakoisbestgirl4752 Před rokem +20

      Both and 3 causes a timeline split

    • @starchild199x
      @starchild199x Před rokem +19

      ​@@hanakoisbestgirl4752 Not on some OoT level st... pls god no 🙃
      No OoT "Adult" vs "Child" vs "Downfall" timeline, or Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire "Mega Evolution" timeline where the ultimate weapon was/wasn't created

    • @hanakoisbestgirl4752
      @hanakoisbestgirl4752 Před rokem +8

      @@starchild199x happiest day timeline and the other one, saddest day? timeline?

    • @E-man.
      @E-man. Před rokem

      How much do you know about FNAF?
      Yes

    • @gracebusch7832
      @gracebusch7832 Před rokem

      😂😂

  • @smilesperson
    @smilesperson Před rokem +37

    53:20 She has a point. To summarize, Charlie has the key with them all to set them free, Henery is the good man in the context of Pizza sim to put them to rest after trusting William but not being careful, and Mike is the one who watched, had regret, trying to fix the mess himself too, I be it in a similar way to Henery. However if it were to be one person then I bet it be Henery deeming Pizza sim as a game with his focus and how each story really summarizes him the best. He let these things happen by not being carefu, having regret, and now he brings the things together to try and get them in one place to finally put them to rest.

  • @Caldoric
    @Caldoric Před rokem +3

    You also have to consider the Remnant vs Agony thing. Like, the ghosts can be removed from the Remnant, but their Agony or whatever still gets left behind in the metal, because the metal has a kind of memory of its own.

  • @sullivanbradford753
    @sullivanbradford753 Před 7 měsíci +1

    1:0:00 I think it's important to remember that Remnant is different from the souls themselves. Remnant on the Fnaf wiki is defined as "the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects". This is similar to Agony from Fazbear Frights. Agony is described as being a type energy that is biproduct of intense feelings of anger and hate. I think Agony was meant to help clarify how remnant is made and functions. Remnant is just the result of the ghosts of the dead children holding on to their grudges. Their hate and anger towards William and their situation has imbued the animatronics with energy, as such their ghosts can manifest outside their "bodies". I think it would be incorrect to say that the remnant used to create the funtime animatronics is soul juice, as mat puts it.

  • @reset2000
    @reset2000 Před rokem +137

    I've been thinking it for a long time now, but I'm pretty sure it's needed now: Scott should come out and clarify some of the lore for earlier FNAF (1-6). If he, along with Steel Wool, plan to move the franchise along basing it on the lore of previous games, he should just go and tell us what he planned earlier in the timeline. As MatPat said multiple times, we don't have the baseline. Solving later games would still prove difficult I presume, but it certainly would be nice to have a strong, unshakeable baseline to refer to, with no confusion involved and no need to rewrite the WHOLE timeline again.
    One thing is, I don't know ho feasible it is from licensing/economic standpoint now that other parties are involved and if it would make Scott just lose money if the people are unhappy about the conclusion and decide to abandon the series.
    After so many years, I think we theorised enough about FNAF to deserve at least some answers. Moreso, if there were any rewrites (and they certainly were), it would be very interesting to hear about it from the developer's standpoint.

    • @thefallen2220
      @thefallen2220 Před rokem

      Crazy how Matpat stills talks about the MCI 💀

    • @noonyx33
      @noonyx33 Před rokem +9

      I def agree, but I think hes worry about the backlash just like with dream theory

  • @HoodieHorizon
    @HoodieHorizon Před rokem +67

    Matt is slowly acquiring fnaf theroists, soon he will have a monopoly on all fnaf theories

    • @SusannahMurphine98
      @SusannahMurphine98 Před rokem +7

      He is the true Candy Cadet protagonist, melding five (or more) FNaF theorists together into one channel!

    • @Yumi_Jay
      @Yumi_Jay Před rokem +1

      He is going to start a superhero team of Theorists.

    • @SusannahMurphine98
      @SusannahMurphine98 Před rokem

      @@Yumi_Jay “I’m here to talk to you about the Faz-nitiative.”

  • @vee6761
    @vee6761 Před rokem +5

    I love that Matt responds to criticism at all. I think that all theorists for this franchise are working on the timeline together at this point, so it is very important to remain open about our findings and not crown any one story victor until all of the pieces fit (which I think they never will but that's a different story).

  • @Ballen355
    @Ballen355 Před rokem +1

    in dawkos interview with scottt after 50/20, he asked him which fnaf 3 ending was canon, to which scott said he wouldn't answer it, basically saying it could be either.

  • @manloloyojosh1458
    @manloloyojosh1458 Před rokem +53

    One day, the entire community of FNAF will make one 24 HOUR collab live stream where they debate, argue, agree, and converse the TRUE Fnaf timeline with Scott who is wondering "What have I done..."

  • @rllywishididntmakethisaccount

    dude lore and everything aside, matpat is such a smart person, like he packs so much knowledge about everything in his brain, and I can’t even pass freshman bio. past that, dude is jus literally a role model. Like he’s smart, he try’s to understand what others are saying, he knows what hes talking abt, hes kind, like hes just a light shining on others and it’s weird yet just… “wow” yk?

  • @0ldpeps112
    @0ldpeps112 Před rokem +2

    My interpretation of the candy cadet story with the key being similar to the ‘save them’ minigame, because she fused all of the keys to the rooms, which might have saved them, but wound up saving none of them (linking back to the ‘you can’t’ line after it spells out save them). Possibly related to the protagonist of the fnaf games, whoever that may be, due to being too late to, alongside William stealing the remnant.

  • @BooklikesBFDI
    @BooklikesBFDI Před rokem +11

    Yes! ID Fantasy is gaining attraction! She is underated

  • @Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn
    @Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn Před rokem +71

    This is one of my favorite franchises to theorize about, mainly because I am 99.9% convinced that Mr. cawthon just made everything the frick up as he went.

    • @soomi5667
      @soomi5667 Před rokem +9

      He technically did lol. He basically says this in Dawko's interview.

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem +5

      Yea for most of the games it was just this but within newer ones it kinda shows he has more of an idea tbh. If he could rewrite FNAF to a set story-line I'm sure some of the restaurants (games) would be completely gone to clean up the story to something more streamline

    • @purplecat6578
      @purplecat6578 Před rokem

      @@testerwulf3357 Aka, the movie

  • @BBC-dq3ki
    @BBC-dq3ki Před rokem +242

    I think it makes sense for Charlie to be the woman in the candy cadet story. The fusing of the keys being equal to Charlie, as the puppet, trying to save all of the others’ souls, and failing because part of them had already been taken for the fun times. I honestly think it’s the strongest of the three different proposed people for each story interpretation.

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem +14

      Something like that :D

    • @tobiletsplay
      @tobiletsplay Před rokem +2

      I agree

    • @mixttime
      @mixttime Před rokem +4

      The desperation to save people fits well with Charlie, as we've characterized her as the protector. But looking over the stories again I wonder if it might be Mike. The melting keys in a furnace reminds me of the melting down remnant. So I wonder if he was the one to mix them together; trying to save them all at once but instead making it much harder to save any of them. It's a stretch, but it would feed into the whole thing Matt was talking about with Mike maybe messing with remnant.

    • @donkeydanny2114
      @donkeydanny2114 Před rokem +1

      Imo this is a reach

    • @Kubina.
      @Kubina. Před rokem +1

      This story implies that Charlie could have saved a single child. How?

  • @the_repugnant_gamer
    @the_repugnant_gamer Před 10 měsíci +1

    Here's something that might help. The first Silent Hill game told us that souls can be fractured (Alessa sent the good half of her soul in the form of a baby outside of the town). Who's to say the souls in FNAF don't work the same way?

  • @BlackWind-rx5il
    @BlackWind-rx5il Před rokem +8

    I've always thought that the keys story is actually an "inverted" analogy for William's life. Like he lost one life, but had the "keys" to save 4 more just by making the right decisions. Instead, his choices brought to the end of the other 4 lives as well. He could have left with the keys to four lives, only accepting the loss of one, instead by forcing his attempt of "putting the family back together" he ends up destroying it. He loses Crying Child and can't let it go, his actions lead to the loss of Elizabeth as well, of his wife leaving him and possibly k***ing herself after he takes custody of Elizabeth (I don't buy into the whole "the mother is the villain of Security Breach", sorry MatPat) and Michael dying but not really and ultimately dying for real in FNAF6. All while he has to keep living with regret. And maybe that's why Cassidy keeps him around, not just to suffer through torture, but to remind him of his failures.
    I wouldn't be too surprised, and I'm always shocked MatPat hasn't learned this lesson yet, that the one person "trying to put the family back together" and pulling the strings in Security Breach is someone completely new to us, a character that hasn't yet been introduced. I'll throw it out there...maybe another Afton, maybe William's lost brother/half brother. Or something like that.

  • @wolfy.makes.art._
    @wolfy.makes.art._ Před rokem +108

    The shots have been fired but of course MatPat takes it well

  • @orangetheorange
    @orangetheorange Před rokem +5

    That roast busted through Matt's theory armor just like skyrim's dwarven ballista breaks through any of the dragonborn's armor.
    Speaking of skyrim. Theres alot of mystery around the dwemer of skyrim. I wonder if that will be a theory of the future.

  • @breathofthedeity2366
    @breathofthedeity2366 Před rokem +1

    37:13 In regards to molten freddy not moving on like normal, it's probably because the mixed up spirits are probably missing bits and pieces, making it hard to move on. Or maybe being 5 things combined into 1 would straight up inhibit them from leaving the endoskeleton parts. Another possibility would be that as remnant injected into something else, it's harder or impossible to move on unlike the spirits that took over the already existing endoskeletons.

  • @justacuteonigiri
    @justacuteonigiri Před rokem +1

    Scott was scared that if he invited you, you would have a seizure from dissecting the movie set for lore

  • @hathorthecow7146
    @hathorthecow7146 Před rokem +55

    MatPat getting called out is always a good way to start the notlive

  • @aziraphalethesapphic
    @aziraphalethesapphic Před rokem +88

    I'm so glad people are paying ID's Fantasy the recognition she deserves, her commentary and analysis is so fun and I'm super excited to see her expand and come up in this space more!!!

  • @kingzorro75plays69
    @kingzorro75plays69 Před rokem +3

    I know I'm saying this really late and probably won't be seen. But i think there is a bit of confusion in the candy cadet stories. While spot on with 5 becoming one in the Key and Kids, the kittens are different. The number 5 in this story references the number of days since a single kitten got eaten. The snake ate on kitten and then 5 days later, the little boy stitched it back together. Its not a story of 5 becoming one. Just thought i would put that out there. again, sorry for such a late reply, just started getting into the lore and this video showed up while i was doing so.

  • @CatieBubbles
    @CatieBubbles Před rokem +103

    I do agree with ID's Fantasy that the Candy Cadet's stories are referring to three separate things.
    In the woman's case, I think it is saying that the puppet COULD have saved a least one child, but by not focusing on one at a time and instead tackling all of them at once ultimately lead to none of them being saved.
    As for the boy, only one of the kittens were killed and it was five days later that it was stitched back together. Maybe it's implying that Michael starts his part in the story five years after he accidentally gets his brother killed.
    And as for the man.. it seems to imply that it IS Henry. But perhaps it is alluding to the ending of Pizzeria Sim, maybe as a way to warn Michael of his ultimate plan. (That last part is a bit of a stretch though haha)
    In my eyes it wouldn't make sense to have Candy Cadet only talk about ONE thing, just iterated differently. It seems to point out parallels between different aspects of the overall FNAF story.
    Also the mini-games don't happen at the same time as the main part of it's respective game. And remnant didn't become a thing until years after.
    And honestly it seems a bit unreasonable to expect the early games to perfectly fit into the overarching story. Most of the games were made by Scott alone and no matter how diligent he tried to be, he is only human and there are bound to be some slip ups here and there. He tries to be subtle about retcons but that actually makes figuring out the lore even harder.
    One thing I learned from consuming media is that the authors/creators mess up too. (Prime example: Akira Toriyama. All of the DB[Z/S] series is a MESS.)

    • @YourGodChara
      @YourGodChara Před rokem +6

      thank you for pointing out that it was just one kitten... I'm so frustrated cuz it seems like he is in the understanding that all five were stitched together... which is not the story.

  • @BoggiDoggi
    @BoggiDoggi Před rokem +5

    18:02 ouch

  • @ZacktheAwesomeness
    @ZacktheAwesomeness Před rokem

    YESSS like 2 days ago I was wondering if you would make a video reacting to ID's Fantacy!!!

  • @aperson2005
    @aperson2005 Před rokem +1

    I agree with ID’s Fantasy for the stories
    The woman with the keys is Charlie, trying to save the 5 kids
    The boy is michael, the snake is William, or more accurately, the animatronic william creates, and the kitten is Crying Child. Matpat seems to not notice that only one kitten dies and then the boy puts him back together. They boy could also be William, loving the kittens (his family), but not wanting to give up his snake (animatronics), then the snake kills a kitten (Crying child), and the boy stitches the kitten together again (i will put you back together)
    The old man is Henry, a kind man. The children are killed by the burglar (william), and he stitches the children together and buries them in one coffin (bringing all of the animatronics to burn them)

    • @IDsFantasy
      @IDsFantasy Před rokem

      I actually think that the kitten is Elizabeth, who he puts back together in Sister Location :D

  • @Cysubtor_8vb
    @Cysubtor_8vb Před rokem +56

    As for the claw hand paradox, it's possible that William designed those animatronics originally just to abduct kids before even learning of remnant and Elizabeth's death shifted his focus. Circus Baby's pizzeria never opened, so we technically don't know how much time passed between those animatronics being built and when they were repurposed for the rental service once Freddy closed. Specifically being creations of Afton away from Henry, they can still be old yet appear more technologically advanced.

    • @nationalpv
      @nationalpv Před rokem +7

      It did open. Only for one day. It gets closed on its opening day.

    • @LumosVeil
      @LumosVeil Před rokem +2

      There’s no motive for why William would design the animatronics to abduct kids before one of his kids dies though. And if he just started killing kids for no reason, it makes him a character that has no depth..

    • @Wendeta-hq2cp
      @Wendeta-hq2cp Před rokem

      Personally I think the Funtimes were originally made without the child snatching claw (on opening of the pizzeria), but by the time William rents them out he found remnant and modified them.

    • @MrFell.
      @MrFell. Před rokem

      ​@@Wendeta-hq2cp The pizzeria in question is Circus Baby's Pizza World? If so, then it's inaccurate because Baby kills Elizabeth on the first and only day the restaurant was open