I thought she was pretty smug actually. You did very well and hopefully she follows through. She says she knows everything but obviously not. One suggestion if you don’t mind, before telling people about the processes, say “can I tell you about it “ and get their permission. I got this tip from the vegan psychologist Clare Mann and it does make a difference in their willingness to listen to the difficult information. Cheers and keep up the great work!
I'm not convinced she was "smug". I'm not sure what the Vegan guy is called but everytime he disqualified an excuse let's say or furnished her with more knowledge, she looked at her 👟 in shame. Well, I can't be sure she felt shame. Maybe she was stretching her neck or something. I really don't know. What was interesting is that her son remained interested throughout; he didn't even blink. Maybe you know, it seems difficult from the framework of a middle-aged human to try something knew. Maybe they feel more happy or "Sappy - see Nirvana" in their world of Cognitive Dissonance. It's good to try I'm sure. The younger teenager though might be a different matter. I could see him process all this quite seriously! Anyway, this Vegan (whatever your name is - sorry) you're doing better than me. I was an active Huntsab in the UK many years back. Now, I'm on the other Hemisphere of the Earth trying to get my head around language barriers. But, these are just excuses. I must start videos or something...
I really liked this conversation, excellent questions and responses Cip ! I wish the lady was more compassionate and opened minded, she had an excuse to abuse and kill animals at every turn. I hope she listens to Gary Yourofsky, possibly the silent young man standing with her will give some thought to the conversation. I think every person that was not raised vegan has the same regret as you and wishes that they they were vegan much sooner, no one told us ,no one informed us about the horrific suffering animals go through. Thank you for informing people about the Animal Holocaust, I wish someone had told me . If you are against violence towards sentient beings you must be vegan ! No one should have to die so I can live !
well I was exposed to The horrific condition of a sole goat got brought onto mY Gramma's backyard like a vucking slave to be slaughtered alive, at 7 or 4 years old I forgot. sO of course I wish I went Vegan sooner I don't see how I could have. Despite The immense regret I have for not going sooner, I cannot pinpoint any specific instance in mY past as a non-Vegan of which I regret, which means it isn't True regret. perhaps just a sadness and grief at our past
Yeah. It’s ridiculous. As if, we question what we eat, but all of the sudden we stop questioning whether plants are sentient or not. Such a ridiculous excuse…
I'd say even if plants are sentient (which they aren't) - it's an argument FOR veganism because of the insane amounts of crops required to feed the animals.
20:39 great work. I want to talk with you about Romania on Sunday. Also, the priority argument: you handled it extremely well. When you said women’s rights, you could have said mothers instead of animals. Like, when I protest for women’s rights I don’t forget about all the mothers being turned into hamburgers.
Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes 👈🤥 . Longest living people on Earth, are vegan. PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉!!!……
Trees are not really "communicating" with each other. The term "communication" implies a conscious choice of telling others important information. What happens when trees are communicating with each other, are relatively simple chemical processes. The organs in the human body are constantly “communicating” with each other, even the billions of cells in the body do this, but no one would assume that any organs or cells are conscious.
I like your change if approach from "concent" to "oppression." And I also like the subtle way that you guide the public towards animal oppression! Good development in your outreach Cip!
I'm so pleased I came across this discussion and are looking forward to listening to more of upcoming videos. It's lovely as it helps me stay strong knowing there are people like yourself out their that who are working tiressly and have the right way to speak and approach people. I've proved to be quiet hopeless as I become reactive and anti. But will never change my decision to become vegan. It's changed not only my health, but my whole being and at times you feel alone, while the cars park up in huge rows out side kfc, u wonder if things are going to change and then down the road I see the animal track drive by and I turn my head away and try and block as the animals are on their way to the slaughter house. Then I look at my dog and think of her how she responds when the fireworks go off on guy fawkes, and how she shakes and know that when the cows pigs are rounded of the truck, the noise the chaos, they'll sense the same fear. It's just to much
There are still so many people who believe that we need meat backed by a bunch of anecdotes. I am kind of unsure what we can do in such situations. There is so much nutritional science that has shown that a plant based diet is adequate for everybody. Perhaps the best thing to do in such a situation is just let people watch a documentary like "what the health".
I think a lot use the excuse of not getting the right nutrients to justify their habits and taste bud desires. I've never before I became a vegan ever thought meat and dairy was healthy. I think factory farming has intensified on a mass scale since all the franchises have spread the world and meat and dairy industry have monopolised. The human population has become sick so many diseases that weren't as prevalent back70years ago, when it was a treat to go out for dinner. Now eating maccas and pizza kfc etc is a daily habit.
The remorse i feel when I hear the screams from the vegetables is very upsetting. So now I get someone else to do my dirty work and buy the organic free range humane pre-cut vegetables. Now I can live in will-full ignorance to the abuse and suffering of the vegetables. 😀 Do you know plants have feelings?
That was such a good and impressive setup, and I'll try to remember to ask those questions as well. You made her talk like a vegan, but sadly there was almost no transfer of the things she said and agreed upon to the non-human animals.
Just fyi what I did when I talked behind shit sky’s back was really shitty of me. I did a real dumb thing and I’ve tried to apologised. I got really carried away with vegan gains fans shitting on other people and thought it was funny. When Sky banned me I felt so bad and awful about myself. I publically told the vg community tgat what I did was wrong. To let everyone know. Seems as you were streaming with sky thought it might be cool for you to know. I know it’s kinda weird to comment something like this on a yt channel tho. But I just wanted to let you know that I don’t really hate sky or any deontolgist. There’s no hard feelings. And I’m truly sorry. I hope in time you guys will be able to forgive them. But, stay strong, the animals need us!!
@@veganpowerlabwould you be interested in having a disscusion on horse riding ethics (vegan gains style) maybe through the live chat as I’m a bit camera sky? I have some interesting points.
I tried to go vegan once, my legs fell off, then the war started, and they grew back. If only we were mentally capable of not using the other animals, whilst being able to do other things... 🤨
I think that the difficulty comes from changing a habit. But, I agree that that’s an unacceptable excuse. In fact, her feeling oppressed by russia should give her even more incentive to change
@@veganpowerlab Awesome! Araucaria is a variety of tree, the cone seeds of most are edible, but they are not particularly cheap and perhaps harder to find outside of South America.
Your words about consent are interesting, i haven't heard that word used as much in outreach as you use it and it seems to be effective at connecting dots between consent for humans and consent for non-human animals. Excellent approach!
I just thought it was really funny when she mentioned plant sentience and you countered it with the animal feed😅. It sounded like she's more worried about the grain being harvested than the pigs being gased or decapitated.
That argument is always icky. I didn’t want to go into a debate whether plants are sentient or not, so I decided to go with “even if they believe that they are, they should still be vegan”. What do you think? Would you have done it differently?
@@veganpowerlab no i think your response was good. I guess there can be an argument to be made about the "degree of sentience", since we don't necessarily care about an element/aspect of sentience alone, like experiencing brightness vs darkness, a color, or sound as much as we would care about experiencing suffering and happiness. It's undeniable that at least all the animals who go to the slaughterhouse have a much higher degree of sentience than the plants we harvest, if those should even have anything resembling sentience.
Cip, I'm so impressed how you can keep a straight face when people try to "delicately break it to you that plants/trees feel pain too". 🙄🤣 When generally reasonable people go there, it's priceless, let's be honest.
Fantastic outreach, I admire your perseverance & you raised some great points. I speak to people like this all the time at outreach, who will use anyway excuse NOT to go vegan, while pretending they care about the animals. Unfortunately they just don't see animals lives, as important as humans. As vegans we care about the animals, so will always make it work. A well planned plant based diet will give you all the nutrients you need to be healthy, so the excuse you can't be vegan for health reasons, is just not a valid one.
This woman: "Ukraine is oppressed. I know nothing about nutrition. I had a friend who almost died after becoming a strict vegetarian. I can't possibly care about more than one thing!" (This is the short summary for those who are time-poor).
@@veganpowerlab Of course I'm vegan, but unfortunately for me, I don't have any other vegans in my circle of friends and it gets depressing sometimes. All I managed to do was turn half my family into flexitarians, but even then I'm not entirely convinced they fully understood the animal rights message. Anyway, thanks for the reply and keep up the good work.
@@ultimulcretin5795 i’m sorry you had to go through that. The online vegan community is pretty nice. Join the livestreams and such and you’ll meet some people online
oh waow,,, very well said (IF THEY CANNOT CONSENT i cannot do it,,, so good luck getting consent inteeresting belief now i see clearer huge thx) (oh fuck that solves the fish issue as well
Wow - yet another entitled "intellectual" spinning in her own convoluted justifications to remain addicted to abhorrent behavior. Thank you for being out there with the likes of these. Also - people need to be clear about the difference between "vegetarianism" and veganism. They are not at all the same thing.
Completely agree! The more people realise that veganism is a moral principle and not a diet, the more people may question why it exists and what it entails and thus more people would go vegan. Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗💚
She exposed herself by try to pull the pants feel pain card. She acted as though she was a compasasionate person but to me she came across as hard as nails.
@veganpowerlab like she said not everyone absorbs plant protein. I have known this for years. Who doesn't? Was plant based for some time and knew many people who were vegan, not everyone can do it. Vegans only deny this because their arrogance deems that everyone adhere to their diet. We all know not everyone can just eat plants. Ridicilious to even deny this.
Veganism always seems so strong to me. Unassailable. Then I see non-vegans like this lady, and I feel so sad with the BS that exists in people's minds.
The opposite. She still won't be vegan after this discussion after given the message not to use animals. So of it wasn't for cultured meat she would continue to exploit animals.
@@MoistVegan she said the same thing about plant based meat ten years ago. It’s just an excuse to maintain the status quo. And then she’ll move the goal posts.
Not a tear shed, though, for the loss of life from field planting, though, right? How many birds, bees, worms, rodents, and all manner of insects are murdered or diaplaced for your huge fields of crops to be grown? Not to mention spraying. There is zero moral high ground to be had on either side. Life is either important or it isn't. Now, I've seen the majority of slaughter houses and big farms in person, and they ARE brutal. You know what, though? i dont get meat from there. I learned how to bow hunt, and though my own sweat, harvest an animal for my family. So come on, folks. If you eat veg then eat them. But dont pretend your hands are clean. There is blood on all of us.
22 challenge is very deficient i felt when i changed my diet she needs an actual COMPETENT DOCTOR or she wont learn or change as easily,,, FIND VEGAN DOCTORS WFPB Doctors around your place to recommend very important
I one hundred % get what you're saying and I agree with you, but I'm afraid I live in a warzone and that means I simply do not have the time to stop being a racist right now. There are more important things going off in my life than stopping being a racist. So sorry, maybe when those other things resolve, I'll be able to stop being a racist. Good day.
a fetus has no evolutionary reason to become sentient until after it's been born, so from this we can safely conclude unborn fetuses are not sentient, and non-sentient creatures do not have rights
@@veganpowerlab No, it's not her body and no, the value of a human being is not determined only by when it has sentience, but also by the fact that it WILL have sentience soon and by the fact it has a soul from conception. It's a violation of its rights, it's not the woman's right. You can argue that all day, but you will never be able to prove your position logically. You can only say your opinion about the value of the baby's life. If you put low value to it, then that is just your personal moral value.
@@alexanderTheVegan Should we value sentience or should we value capability for sentience? As for soul, show me any logical proof for soul (since you talk about logic). And, since you're so against the person's right to choose, I suppose you support the idea that the government should be giving money to people that don't have the means to raise a child...
@@veganpowerlab We should value both. The capability of sentience is valuable enough to not kill it. No, I don't have to prove the existence of the soul. It's just my opinion. That doesn't debunk my point, which is that it's a violation of the baby's right. If you don't value its rights or if you think it shouldn't have rights, that is just your personal moral value. But you can't say that is not a violation of his rights (not law rights, but ethical rights, like the ones that animals should have). And yes, of course governments should help the mothers to raise her child.
What people will make up to justify eating flesh and abusing animals.
Anything but to change.. i think a fear of commitment is also there
I thought she was pretty smug actually. You did very well and hopefully she follows through. She says she knows everything but obviously not. One suggestion if you don’t mind, before telling people about the processes, say “can I tell you about it “ and get their permission. I got this tip from the vegan psychologist Clare Mann and it does make a difference in their willingness to listen to the difficult information. Cheers and keep up the great work!
Thank you so much. That’s a very good point! I’ll do that! I appreciate you 🤗💚
I'm not convinced she was "smug".
I'm not sure what the Vegan guy is called but everytime he disqualified an excuse let's say or furnished her with more knowledge, she looked at her 👟 in shame.
Well, I can't be sure she felt shame. Maybe she was stretching her neck or something. I really don't know.
What was interesting is that her son remained interested throughout; he didn't even blink.
Maybe you know, it seems difficult from the framework of a middle-aged human to try something knew. Maybe they feel more happy or "Sappy - see Nirvana" in their world of Cognitive Dissonance.
It's good to try I'm sure.
The younger teenager though might be a different matter. I could see him process all this quite seriously!
Anyway, this Vegan (whatever your name is - sorry) you're doing better than me.
I was an active Huntsab in the UK many years back.
Now, I'm on the other Hemisphere of the Earth trying to get my head around language barriers.
But, these are just excuses.
I must start videos or something...
I really liked this conversation, excellent questions and responses Cip !
I wish the lady was more compassionate and opened minded, she had an excuse to abuse and kill animals at every turn.
I hope she listens to Gary Yourofsky, possibly the silent young man standing with her will give some thought to the conversation.
I think every person that was not raised vegan has the same regret as you and wishes that they they were vegan much sooner, no one told us ,no one informed us about the horrific suffering animals go through.
Thank you for informing people about the Animal Holocaust, I wish someone had told me .
If you are against violence towards sentient beings you must be vegan !
No one should have to die so I can live !
So well said. I think it says something that most vegans’ biggest regret is mot being vegan sooner
well I was exposed to
The horrific condition
of a sole goat got brought
onto mY Gramma's backyard
like a vucking slave to be slaughtered
alive, at 7 or 4 years old I forgot. sO
of course I wish I went Vegan sooner
I don't see how I could have. Despite
The immense regret I have for not
going sooner, I cannot pinpoint any
specific instance in mY past as a
non-Vegan of which I regret, which
means it isn't True regret. perhaps
just a sadness and grief at our past
Beautiful job brother!❤
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
lmao it is so unbelievable how many people try get a "gotcha" moment with "plants are sentient" 😂
Yeah. It’s ridiculous. As if, we question what we eat, but all of the sudden we stop questioning whether plants are sentient or not. Such a ridiculous excuse…
I'd say even if plants are sentient (which they aren't) - it's an argument FOR veganism because of the insane amounts of crops required to feed the animals.
Nice one cip , another seed planted for a new vegan , soon we will have a forest .
That’s the hope! Thank you, Martin 🤗💚
You are such a wonderful outreacher! 👏👏👏
Agreed
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
💯 agree. Different but interesting approach 😀
You are getting very good at this bro.
The way you handled the nuance towards the end was rock solid.
Thank you so much 🙏 it was a hard day that day. I had so many weird conversations 🤗💚
20:39 great work. I want to talk with you about Romania on Sunday. Also, the priority argument: you handled it extremely well. When you said women’s rights, you could have said mothers instead of animals. Like, when I protest for women’s rights I don’t forget about all the mothers being turned into hamburgers.
I like that. Thanks for the suggestion. Looking forward to those talks
Great work Cip💚💚💚🐓🐐🦃🐟🪲🐄🤗🤗🤗♥️♥️♥️
Thank you, Nataly! 🤗💚💚
Poor innocent animals. You don’t want to be in their shoes 👈🤥 . Longest living people on Earth, are vegan.
PIaque forms eating animals. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque ✅♥️😬🐒🐵🦧🦍👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉. Buddhist monks most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. rice, quinoa, beans, and lentils, and oats, fruits and herbs and spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, is the key to healthiness ✅😉!!!……
Also, it’s easy to be vegan
Awesome ❤️❤️❤️
very good questions, Cip💚🌱💚
Thanks, Ally! I tried this technique that whole day and I had mixed responses
Trees are not really "communicating" with each other. The term "communication" implies a conscious choice of telling others important information. What happens when trees are communicating with each other, are relatively simple chemical processes. The organs in the human body are constantly “communicating” with each other, even the billions of cells in the body do this, but no one would assume that any organs or cells are conscious.
That is such a good example. I’ll use that in the future. Thaank you 🤗💚
Nice work.
Thank you. She was a bit… excusy
I like your change if approach from "concent" to "oppression." And I also like the subtle way that
you guide the public towards animal oppression! Good development in your outreach Cip!
Thank you so much 🤗💚
Excellent work, Cip!
Thanks, Davy! I feel I should’ve been a bit tougher with her, but that’s what I need to work on. Hehe
Excellent outreach. Thank you 💗💗💗
Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊
I'm so pleased I came across this discussion and are looking forward to listening to more of upcoming videos. It's lovely as it helps me stay strong knowing there are people like yourself out their that who are working tiressly and have the right way to speak and approach people. I've proved to be quiet hopeless as I become reactive and anti. But will never change my decision to become vegan. It's changed not only my health, but my whole being and at times you feel alone, while the cars park up in huge rows out side kfc, u wonder if things are going to change and then down the road I see the animal track drive by and I turn my head away and try and block as the animals are on their way to the slaughter house. Then I look at my dog and think of her how she responds when the fireworks go off on guy fawkes, and how she shakes and know that when the cows pigs are rounded of the truck, the noise the chaos, they'll sense the same fear. It's just to much
There are still so many people who believe that we need meat backed by a bunch of anecdotes. I am kind of unsure what we can do in such situations. There is so much nutritional science that has shown that a plant based diet is adequate for everybody. Perhaps the best thing to do in such a situation is just let people watch a documentary like "what the health".
I think a lot use the excuse of not getting the right nutrients to justify their habits and taste bud desires. I've never before I became a vegan ever thought meat and dairy was healthy. I think factory farming has intensified on a mass scale since all the franchises have spread the world and meat and dairy industry have monopolised. The human population has become sick so many diseases that weren't as prevalent back70years ago, when it was a treat to go out for dinner. Now eating maccas and pizza kfc etc is a daily habit.
You did a great job countering all those excuses Cip! 👍🌞🌱💯💚
Thank you so much, Donna! 🤗💚
The remorse i feel when I hear the screams from the vegetables is very upsetting. So now I get someone else to do my dirty work and buy the organic free range humane pre-cut vegetables. Now I can live in will-full ignorance to the abuse and suffering of the vegetables. 😀
Do you know plants have feelings?
That was such a good and impressive setup, and I'll try to remember to ask those questions as well. You made her talk like a vegan, but sadly there was almost no transfer of the things she said and agreed upon to the non-human animals.
That's 2 more 2024 Vegans right there! 😎😎
Not the impression i got. I don't think she has any intention of being vegan.
Meat eater for life and you can’t stop me
Thats ok, we dont need to stop you, eating meat will kill you soon enough. Hello atherosclerosis and obesity 😂@maxmcintyre5068
@maxmcintyre5068 “animal abuser for life” - i fixed it for you
@JustinViola I don’t know if they’ll go vegan. I should’ve been a bit less nice towards the end. She understood the issue but then was backtracking..
Your conversation is very sincere and comforting. Thanks for all that you do ❤ You deserve the best in life
Thank you so much 🤗🙏
Thanks for standing up for the animals!
Subscribed!
Just fyi what I did when I talked behind shit sky’s back was really shitty of me. I did a real dumb thing and I’ve tried to apologised. I got really carried away with vegan gains fans shitting on other people and thought it was funny. When Sky banned me I felt so bad and awful about myself. I publically told the vg community tgat what I did was wrong. To let everyone know. Seems as you were streaming with sky thought it might be cool for you to know. I know it’s kinda weird to comment something like this on a yt channel tho. But I just wanted to let you know that I don’t really hate sky or any deontolgist. There’s no hard feelings. And I’m truly sorry. I hope in time you guys will be able to forgive them. But, stay strong, the animals need us!!
I get it. I think just let things cool off and maybe Sky will unban you later
@@veganpowerlabwould you be interested in having a disscusion on horse riding ethics (vegan gains style) maybe through the live chat as I’m a bit camera sky? I have some interesting points.
@@rileythevegan We could do that, yes. What's your stance? Maybe we're on the same page already
Good job Cip👍🙏✌😊
Thank you so much! I thought I should’ve pushed more at the end 🤗💚
This was refreshing.
You just got a new follower.
Keep it up! :)
Welcome aboard! 🤗💚
I tried to go vegan once, my legs fell off, then the war started, and they grew back. If only we were mentally capable of not using the other animals, whilst being able to do other things... 🤨
I think that the difficulty comes from changing a habit.
But, I agree that that’s an unacceptable excuse. In fact, her feeling oppressed by russia should give her even more incentive to change
I like the faint Bach in the background of this, also caught Power Lab's Stream with DYB today, was awesome.
I saw you! Glad you enjoyed both videos. What’s auracaria btw?
@@veganpowerlab Awesome! Araucaria is a variety of tree, the cone seeds of most are edible, but they are not particularly cheap and perhaps harder to find outside of South America.
"My only regret is not becoming a vegan earlier" Amen!
This was very educational to watch. Thanks for your advocacy and message
You are brilliant 💚💚💚
Thank you so much, Kate! 🤗💚
I love your approach!
Thank you so much. I try things from time to time to hopefully see which one works better
Your words about consent are interesting, i haven't heard that word used as much in outreach as you use it and it seems to be effective at connecting dots between consent for humans and consent for non-human animals. Excellent approach!
Great job, Chip!
I just thought it was really funny when she mentioned plant sentience and you countered it with the animal feed😅. It sounded like she's more worried about the grain being harvested than the pigs being gased or decapitated.
That argument is always icky. I didn’t want to go into a debate whether plants are sentient or not, so I decided to go with “even if they believe that they are, they should still be vegan”.
What do you think? Would you have done it differently?
@@veganpowerlab no i think your response was good. I guess there can be an argument to be made about the "degree of sentience", since we don't necessarily care about an element/aspect of sentience alone, like experiencing brightness vs darkness, a color, or sound as much as we would care about experiencing suffering and happiness.
It's undeniable that at least all the animals who go to the slaughterhouse have a much higher degree of sentience than the plants we harvest, if those should even have anything resembling sentience.
Excusitarian grrr good work cip ❤
Always the excuse without proof that they need to eat animals crap.
Cip, I'm so impressed how you can keep a straight face when people try to "delicately break it to you that plants/trees feel pain too". 🙄🤣 When generally reasonable people go there, it's priceless, let's be honest.
LOL was not expecting Thyroid Gland Tho.
Yeah, kind-of a weird one to bring up so fast. I guess some people just wanna find reasons to keep using animals
You should add the question "What if god said it was ok to opress this particular group".
Great tactic 👍
Fantastic outreach, I admire your perseverance & you raised some great points. I speak to people like this all the time at outreach, who will use anyway excuse NOT to go vegan, while pretending they care about the animals. Unfortunately they just don't see animals lives, as important as humans. As vegans we care about the animals, so will always make it work. A well planned plant based diet will give you all the nutrients you need to be healthy, so the excuse you can't be vegan for health reasons, is just not a valid one.
My country is at war.so I can’t Be vegan 🤔
Yeah. I should’ve mentioned that her knowing how oppression feels like should drive her even more to not do it to others
I have sympathy for her, I wouldn't like to be in her shoes, and I also wouldn't like to be in the shoes of the animals she eats, she is a hypocrite.
I give this lady the following grade in Nutrition science:
F. 💯
Live vegan, love vegan 💚💚💚
Hi
Hellu 👋
This woman: "Ukraine is oppressed. I know nothing about nutrition. I had a friend who almost died after becoming a strict vegetarian. I can't possibly care about more than one thing!"
(This is the short summary for those who are time-poor).
Hello, i am also from Romania.
Nice! Are you vegan?
@@veganpowerlab Of course I'm vegan, but unfortunately for me, I don't have any other vegans in my circle of friends and it gets depressing sometimes. All I managed to do was turn half my family into flexitarians, but even then I'm not entirely convinced they fully understood the animal rights message.
Anyway, thanks for the reply and keep up the good work.
@@ultimulcretin5795 i’m sorry you had to go through that. The online vegan community is pretty nice. Join the livestreams and such and you’ll meet some people online
oh waow,,, very well said (IF THEY CANNOT CONSENT i cannot do it,,, so good luck getting consent inteeresting belief now i see clearer huge thx) (oh fuck that solves the fish issue as well
Wow - yet another entitled "intellectual" spinning in her own convoluted justifications to remain addicted to abhorrent behavior. Thank you for being out there with the likes of these. Also - people need to be clear about the difference between "vegetarianism" and veganism. They are not at all the same thing.
Completely agree! The more people realise that veganism is a moral principle and not a diet, the more people may question why it exists and what it entails and thus more people would go vegan.
Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗💚
She exposed herself by try to pull the pants feel pain card. She acted as though she was a compasasionate person but to me she came across as hard as nails.
Nah she's just normal bra
Indeed! I thought she was compassionate inside, but had a hard outer shell
@veganpowerlab like she said not everyone absorbs plant protein. I have known this for years. Who doesn't? Was plant based for some time and knew many people who were vegan, not everyone can do it. Vegans only deny this because their arrogance deems that everyone adhere to their diet. We all know not everyone can just eat plants. Ridicilious to even deny this.
First of all, veganism is not a diet!
Second, provide empirical evidence or it’s just an opinion of an uninformed person
@@veganpowerlab Not sure why you are saying that to me? I have been vegan for 39 years and it was for the animals.
All morals go right out the window when animals are mentioned 😂
First
🤗💚 mike, the awesome corn king 🌽🌽🌽
Veganism always seems so strong to me. Unassailable. Then I see non-vegans like this lady, and I feel so sad with the BS that exists in people's minds.
The lab grown meat. 🥩 It’s exactly why vegans shouldn’t promote it. Let’s all just wait for lab flesh.
The opposite. She still won't be vegan after this discussion after given the message not to use animals. So of it wasn't for cultured meat she would continue to exploit animals.
@@MoistVegan she said the same thing about plant based meat ten years ago. It’s just an excuse to maintain the status quo. And then she’ll move the goal posts.
Trees tho 😂
Not a tear shed, though, for the loss of life from field planting, though, right?
How many birds, bees, worms, rodents, and all manner of insects are murdered or diaplaced for your huge fields of crops to be grown? Not to mention spraying.
There is zero moral high ground to be had on either side. Life is either important or it isn't.
Now, I've seen the majority of slaughter houses and big farms in person, and they ARE brutal.
You know what, though? i dont get meat from there. I learned how to bow hunt, and though my own sweat, harvest an animal for my family.
So come on, folks. If you eat veg then eat them. But dont pretend your hands are clean. There is blood on all of us.
She had a lot of thoughts about human rights... One can hope she starts thinking about those she oppresses too
Great approach VPL. The health argument is a joke.
22 challenge is very deficient i felt when i changed my diet she needs an actual COMPETENT DOCTOR or she wont learn or change as easily,,, FIND VEGAN DOCTORS WFPB Doctors around your place to recommend very important
Interesting 🤔 i thought challenge 22 can help you out with a nutritionist also
Being vegan is not the first priority? But how is changing what you eat interfering with efforts to stop the war?
I one hundred % get what you're saying and I agree with you, but I'm afraid I live in a warzone and that means I simply do not have the time to stop being a racist right now. There are more important things going off in my life than stopping being a racist. So sorry, maybe when those other things resolve, I'll be able to stop being a racist. Good day.
Ugh she's so annoying
Agree
Abortion is not a women's right.
It's a violation of human't rights, the baby's rights.
a fetus has no evolutionary reason to become sentient until after it's been born, so from this we can safely conclude unborn fetuses are not sentient, and non-sentient creatures do not have rights
Up until the baby is sentient, it’s the woman’s right, since it’s her body
@@veganpowerlab
No, it's not her body and no, the value of a human being is not determined only by when it has sentience, but also by the fact that it WILL have sentience soon and by the fact it has a soul from conception.
It's a violation of its rights, it's not the woman's right.
You can argue that all day, but you will never be able to prove your position logically.
You can only say your opinion about the value of the baby's life.
If you put low value to it, then that is just your personal moral value.
@@alexanderTheVegan Should we value sentience or should we value capability for sentience?
As for soul, show me any logical proof for soul (since you talk about logic).
And, since you're so against the person's right to choose, I suppose you support the idea that the government should be giving money to people that don't have the means to raise a child...
@@veganpowerlab
We should value both. The capability of sentience is valuable enough to not kill it.
No, I don't have to prove the existence of the soul. It's just my opinion.
That doesn't debunk my point, which is that it's a violation of the baby's right.
If you don't value its rights or if you think it shouldn't have rights, that is just your personal moral value.
But you can't say that is not a violation of his rights (not law rights, but ethical rights, like the ones that animals should have).
And yes, of course governments should help the mothers to raise her child.