Why Lila Is The WORST Character In Miraculous
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2023
- Lila sucks. Like... big time. And it isn't in the way you'd think. I'm not saying that Lila sucks, as in, "Oh Lila is a big meany face :( ". It's more, that as a character. She sucks. She is badly written, and her arc stinks. Worst character in Miraculous Ladybug, and she drags down the show with her presence.
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It’s pretty embarrassing with how gullible or stupid you have to make characters around her in order to convince you that Lila’s a great liar.
Yeah I sure wish Zoe soclince and Luka were in her class then yeah maybe Marinette would have more friends defending her on this Lila situation
SERIOUSLY. It makes no sense that everyone can rally against Chloe but believe Lila. It's almost like they can only distrust one person at a time.
@@OpticalSorcerer and how no one even bothered to even fact check what she said even once. But, then again, Alya still sided with Lila after Mari revealed her secret, so its a lost cause
@@fatherplatypus2316 It reminds me of how Marinette immediately saw Zoe being abused and wanted to save her, but we never get this for Sabrina, despite her situation being much worse.
Everyone is blinded by Lila’s fake kindness and amazing good deeds. Honestly if it wasn’t for Marinette’s love of Adrien she may have been fooled to.
Lila is the main reason I wanted Chloe to have her redemption arc. There was a perfect substitute. Maybe if that happened it would have benefited her character.
Chloe redemption arc is so dead and gone now, because Thomas Astruc hates the character with a passion
@@mariogordon9212 it’s ok to not like a character, but then they shouldn’t have been building it up with those moments of growing.
Well I didn't even like chole being a superhero myself and yeah I wish there would have been a better way to expell chole from the French miraculous superhero team than having ladybug "betray" her first I thought that she just chose kagmi over chole not because kagmi is nicer than her but because at least there's only a few people who knew who ryco is chole willing exposed her identity to the whole city of Paris and yeah not only that after putting bugs in her locker putting slime on her jeans messing up her blue plants AND tried to ebarss her at the pool AND try to frame her 3 times 1.pulling the fire alarm 2.ruined the handbag she made for Ms bustia and 3.for stealing yeah after all that I don't even know why ladybug would trust her with the bee miraculous if I were her I would have just chose alya for the time and yeah I wouldn't even try to see chole "improving" her behavior over time and yeah I don't blame ladybug giving the bee miraculous because yeah if she tried to find one of her friends to help her with the mission then queen banana would have turned her into a banana before she could do anything so yeah she had to give the bee miraculous to whoever was right next to her even if it was a stranger or if it was someone she wouldn't have trusted so yeah don't blame ladybug for that just blame the writers and yeah transmission made me like her even more and yeah season 5 Zoe is more useful than season 4 Zoe because yeah she knew what she was doing to defend Marinette while the rest of her "friends" keep on going on and on about her relationship with adrien AND turning on her just because of Lila
@@emelylassiter3523 ….wow…that was a lot to read.
I would like to point out ladybug didn’t give the bee miraculous to Chloe. She found it.
And can I ask why you are against her improving? I think your answer got buried.
@@redrasegarden Yeah it was meant for Alia.
Having Lila managed to trick everyone into thinking Marinette only hates her because she's jealous over Adrien is really smart. Marinette is lowkey crazy about Adrien so it makes sense why people would believe Lila on that. But then you pair that in with lies about a napkin stabbing Lila in the eye, or the historically peaceable Marinette pushing her down the stairs, and you start to wonder why Alya and the others haven't pegged Lila as a pathological liar by now. They REALLY need to get rid of her more ridiculous lies if they're going to play her straight.
It’s a little true at first Marinette didn’t like Lila because of her infatuation with Adrien (it’s honestly more of an obsession) but Marinette unlike everyone else started to realize that Lila is a selfish and horrible person who is willing to hurt others and not care in the slightest.
@@anonymousfan1008 yeah I agree
@@stefaniarusso same
I just want to say that the napkin was no where near Max's eyes! It was at his stomach and plus IT'S A DANG NAPKIN! Plus he was wearing glasses! The napkin would've hit his glasses instead of his eyes. I also want to say why didn't she use the hand that was closer to the where the napkin came from instead of using the opposite. I hated that scene because of those 3 reasons.
Or how Alya didn't put two and two together when she found out Marinette is Ladybug. You know, the same hero Lila kept claiming to be besties with? That Alya had interviewed for her blog???
In my mind, Lila could've been PIVOTAL in turning the school against Zoe. She could've convinced Zoe to lie more when she first came to school until she was exposed, making Zoe an outcast. Lila could also use Zoe as a scapegoat whenever her own lies were revealed, claiming Zoe bullied her into making her lie. Chloe would defend Zoe somewhat simply because of how Lila treated her in the past and her desire to be with Adrien (slightly ignoring "Penalteam" and "Risk").
It’s sad when fans can come up wi eh better ideas then the writers
@@anchorsaway9500 Thanks! Though to be fair, this is just my idea; if I was a part of a team of writers, they may have ideas that override mine (or the lead writer has their own plans).
That way, Chloe and Zoe would get along and even make Chloe self-reflect after seeing how much Lila gets away with everything and leaving others to suffer on her behalf. Especially considering that Zoe is Chloe’s half sister
@@elusivo3347 It'd be a lot easier for Chloe and Zoe to bond because everyone doesn't see Zoe as the "better Chloe" and make her feel replaced. Plus it can make Zoe more rugged and complex; she would be less boring and less of a Marinette copy by making her more of the cool girl when she finally gets popular. I imagine she still has to shake her lying habit, though she ocassionally lies to help others out of situations.
@@OpticalSorcerer In a better show, I can see Chloe and Zoe having a sort of opposites attract dynamic in their sisterhood. Where both of them bring out the best in each other, Zoe perhaps trying to keep Chloe from making rash or even selfish decisions, and Chloe pushing Zoe out of her comfort zone.
Maybe Zoe could even teach Chloe how to truly express herself cause of how her mother truly affecting her, maybe Chloe has so much to express but just doesn’t know how to
One thing I know everybody can agree on, is that Thomas Asstruc don't know how to write a great liar that Lila is suppose to be. Her lies are easy to debunk. If she say she knows Jagged stone or prince Ali, Rose and Juleka can easily getting the truth. Juleka because Jagged is her dad, and Rose because she's a close friend to the prince.
Or if she says she has a condition, ask for a doctor's note. But instead everyone except for the two heroes believes her lies. Like really? They need to make people dumber to make her lies work. Ecspecialy Alya who's an reporter. A reporter fact checks everything they hear.
You don't write a great manipulating liar like this. A great lier keeps track in their lies and makes very believable lies that is harder to prove wrong.
And when we speak about her three moms. How? Is she lying to these ladies about being an orphan? Heck, Lila isn't even her real name. Is She even a teenager? Maybe she's an adult that looks younger than she really is.
That would be so freaking creepy, ecspecialy sense she's in love with Adrien.
So yeah she's a badly written liar that makes the writers have to make others dumber around.
Another thing is that she claimed to have injured her leg in an episode and NO ONE thought to bring her to the hospital? They didn't even suggest it. Maybe it would be a little better if people occasionally questioned her lies but shrugged it off. At least we could say that they thought about it. Or have her tell lies that contradict each other and have someone other that Adrien and Marinette call her out on and then have her jump through hoops gathering fake evidence.
@@oceancampbell exactly. Ecspecialy when she said that she fell down the stairs. They didn't even wonder how she's still alive, or atleast isn't seriously hurt.
Im gonna take the Jagged and Juleka part and write a salt fic, thx for the idea btw
and the best of liars bend the truth in their favor, and often have explanations for a discrepancy
agreed not to mention her "other lies" she lies about so much stupid stuff, and nobody cares. Not to mention how they revealed SHE of all people will be the final villain which feels so underwhelming we know this now and it was basically confirmed at the "finale of season 4" and now that was pure terror. I left the show. I am glad that I did since it seems that season 5 is bad really bad.
💢The writers just can't descide what to do with her. They only use her when its convenient for the writers, but they make up excuses why she can't be there in certain episodes. That just makes her and inconsistent character. She also has no real goals. And her lies are so unbelievable. 😭😭😭 Her deal with Gabriel also makes barely any sense.
Use her when its convenient, and do below bare minimum work to make her worth it
Yeah I mean she may be smarter than Gabriel AND chole but at least they have reasons why they are bad Gabe is a villain because he's trying to revive Emily and chole is mean because her mom left her behind and her father has been giving her everything she wanted Lila doesn't even explain to the viewers why she wants Marinette's friends to turn against her and yeah she's really supposed to be getting revenge on ladybug although it was her fault that ladybug had to scold her for lying about her and her being friends
Not only do you make a good point- Your point is also proven with how heavily underutilized and lack of presence she had throughout the entirety of S4. I at one point forgot Lila existed until she made a small appearance in the episode Qilin (I think it was that one, correct me if I’m wrong. There was an episode where she’s shown to attend Marinette’s Mothers’ art class). Where it made me go “Oh, right. She exists.”
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And agreee, with everything you said.
Chill 😭‼️
My problem with her is while she can be manipulative, most of the time it’s WAY too easy for her to get what she wants. Marinette and Adrien, the two most trustworthy people that the class knows are completely cast aside when they try to call out Lila, who they’ve known for barely a year
Maris bestfriend who knows mari is literally ladybug doesnt believe her when it comes to lila which is so annoying😭
That's Miraculous' problem in general. It's a world where everyone is either too nice or too vindictively petty. Think about it. If the Moth Miraculous existed in our world Gabe would be feasting and it wouldn't be on some loser who stubbed his toe. He's be evilizing criminals. That's what bothers me when characters like Lila are introduced who are meant to be bad people.
She's the worst the world of Miraculous has to offer. Same with Chloe but due to how things work nothing will ever truly happen to them. Meanwhile all for the sake of plot even in the LAST newest episode Marinette was threatened with expulsion because of a character with a notoriously bad reputation said she did something bad.
@@Bezaliel13 you got a point 😭 but still shes ladybug and didnt lila lie about beign close to her
when you think about it, Marinette was petty to Lila in the beginning. She hated her because she thought she was going to steal Adrien from her, even though they were not dating. Marinette was paranoid over Lila's lies. Most of her lies had nothing to do with her, but she felt like she had to call her out, not because of being a liar, but to keep Adrien from dating Lila. Her lies were not dangerous throughout most of the show. Adrien even told Marinette not to worry, but she was so obsessed with keeping Adrien to herself as much as Lila wanted to. I believe that this is the reason why people think Marinette is jealous. She embarrassed her in front of Adrien and that's why Lila hates her. Those are my thoughts.
@@kyacook5702 except one little thing that you’re conveniently ignoring. One of Lila ‘s lies did actually involve her. Her claiming to be best friends with a superhero, and even being a superhero and having a miraculous.
Do I need to go into why that’s a terrible terrible idea? Maybe the fact that that would paint a giant target over your back with the well-known magic terrorist around? Even if you take out Marinette having a crush on Adrien, she would’ve had to still step in. It stopped being about Adrien the moment she saw LIla steal something that was clearly very important
and going so far as to buy a fake miraculous. Also, later episodes basically show that Lila would’ve still had it out for Marinette even if she hadn’t done that. Ie Ladybug. Where it shown that, as early as Befana, she hated Marinette, because it was clear that Adrien was fond of her. That scene wasn’t put there for nothing. It was the show us that even if Marinette had ignored Lila that little psycho would’ve still gone after her.
Not to mention you’re ignoring the fact that Lila was sexually harassing Adrien and getting WAY too handsy with him when it clear he didn’t like it.
Lila just. Exists for everything to bend over backwards so that she gets what she wants. It's so infuriating and just sucks. Knowing that she's gonna be the main villain after Gabe is done and dusted honestly made me stop watching the show completely.
when you phrase it like that, then if somebody saw Mari as a mary sue, then this describes Lila as a villain sue. this would explain Lila's hatred of Mari as under this assumption you have two singularities of bending the plot.
But this is a weak argument as Marinette and Lila have to take this status
I'm actually wondering if Gabriel will actually die, because what is in his heart is conjoined he wants Emilie himself and Natalie healed, then he may take his death to finish everything else that he wants to rule the world as king and Adrien as Prince future ruler
Same here. I absolutely hate how she’s written.
They could have made her interesting but they lack imagination like they have resources they have the best resource that being magic with that you can make her lies believable and heck she could be a orphan that grew on the streets that found a magical object that she discovered can make people believe what she says and used that power to get all she couldn't have and more
Lila is just annoying. Whenever she's around, the character's just turn stupid. Max, the probably smartest in their school, believes her stupid lies?? SERIOUSLY??
For. Real
I would like to see a permanent personnel antagonist for Adrian or Chat Noir. There are enough for Marinette and Ladybug, would be nice to see at least one for one of his alter egos
Marinette: *have Gabe, Hawkmoth, Chloe, Lila, and being guardian as her problem
Fandom:
Adrien: *be a sad boy who can't get out
Fandom: "OH NO OUR POOR BABY 💔💔💔 JUSTICE FOR ADRIEN ✊✊✊ GIVE OUR BABY A BREAK!"
@@fatherplatypus2316 yes, give him a break from doing his character so dirty
@@fatherplatypus2316 I’ve only seen season 1-3, but I think it’s difficult to relate to Marinette. One big reason is because she makes ALL of the decisions.
A scene from A Bug’s Life comes to mind. When the villain character Hopper asks where the food is and the young new Queen ant speaks up and says it’s not her fault but one of the worker ant’s fault. Hopper immediately says, “First rule of leadership. Everything is your fault.” 😂
That’s kind of what’s going on here too.
Because it’s true. If the show is called The Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir-but in reality it’s only Ladybug making every single decision-then the results of those decisions inherently becomes her fault. That’s just how people will naturally feel, even if that’s not completely true. That’s why people don’t tend to feel sorry for authoritarians, dictators, royalty. Because even if that leader truly is pure of heart and is doing their best, people still see that they’re basically not accepting any advice or help from anyone else. So, essentially what’s the point of feeling sorry, or in other words, wanting to help that person-when that person is not going to accept our help but refuse it and solve all problems on their own?
It’s not great maybe to feel that way but it’s natural.
So basically fans are saying they want other characters to be responsible for what’s going on too, not just Ladybug.
They’re saying they want the show to get a bit more away from being a dictatorship or a authoritarian or monarchy type of structure with the heroes and instead into a more balanced approach.
oh yes it could be a rival model who hates Gabriel
@@narnia1233 YES! This is what the fandom needs! Chat Noir should've had more importance if only the writers didn't sidelined him so hard we forgot he's important. Heck, more than often he's actually against her too. "Me and you against the world"? Think again
i think she is an interesting Charakter
the only thing that annoys me is that every other Charakter becomes so stupid when she is around 😂
Except Marinette Adrien and Felix
@@craigpeoples9883 yes😂
I agree
Wait a minute how is feilx smarter in this case? I mean yeah he is one of the smartertest characters in this show but still how does he believe this
Frr I love Lila but the others r so dumb 😭
As a "Mastermanipulater", she could've been written better. The two worst persons in the Series for me are Police Officer Roger (that man seems to be the most incompetent Police Officer in the whole Cartoon Landscape) and Mayor Bourgeois, who let himself be commanded around by his 14 or 15 years old daughter and clearly made some illegal actions against some of the citizens of Paris
Agreed. I need an analysis of the political system in this show. It‘s so corrupt that it hurts and no one calls it out. It‘s just like: "Silly mayor doing silly things again.“
I love how they made an entire episode ("Rogercop") about Roger presenting a rule "innocent until proven guilty", a virtue he stood behind at the cost of his job, but then he ignores this rule *every other episode* (eg.: "Copycat", "Qilin").
And the problem is she's a antagonist for Magic teenagers with no magic of her own, I can bet that people would like her more if the reason everyone act so out of character is cause she have a magic that make her lies believable by others
@@billykaplan9915 Correct. Her lies are mostly so obvious, that no one should fall for her tricks. Especially not Mari's Parents.
Also: Lila has at least two different Adoptive mothers? And none of the women know of the other one(s). Not even by a coincidence?
Lila is meant to be a hated character but an excellent villain. I just don’t like that they don’t use her for other episodes besides when plot needs her
yes, she's meant to be hated but people can love villians if their good at doing their job. If there terrible that makes everything worse. People including me hate lila as a character and wish they did her better.
@@kavyasvirtualworld6119and worst part is that it's not very hard to make her better just give her a magic power to make people believe her lies power that doesn't work on people with kwamis or great mind strength there you have a reason for characters being fool by her and something that want you see more of her
I just couldn't fathom how they ignored her altogether throughout the entirety of S4. Even when she appears in the finale, its not even worth mentioning
I like her cause whenever an episode focuses on her, the plot moves forward
Yeah
At what cost? Brain cells genocide?
@@fatherplatypus2316 what brain cells? :)
@@orlastarburst i just noticed your usename and now this is amusingly ironic
@@fatherplatypus2316 😂
God, there was a time I gaslit myself into thinking Lila was actually one of the best written characters in the show (aside from having to dumb down literally everyone else in the room in order to make her a good liar). Let me explain: we get like NOTHING from her until we see her at home in both Heroes Day pt 1 and Oni-Chan I believe??? But when we are given those snippets of her backstory, you can start piecing together other parts of her personality that we DO get and paint a really cool, clear character: She lies to make her life more interesting, and can get away with it because her parents, while doting, are never there (ambassador duties and stuff). She seems to hate people trying to "save" her from her lies or "goody-two-shoes" (as the only time she turns against Adrien when she has a crush on him is when he tries to reach out and tell her to stop lying in a very nice way mind you), and hates Ladybug because she ruined her chances with Adrien. But her feud with Ladybug now makes sense; she has NEVER been told no in her life. She always gets what she wants. Lying isn't a bad thing for her, because she's never punished for it, it's just her way of getting any attention at all. So now instead of just a inconceivably evil and cunning 14 year old girl, she's grounded because her motive fits her age and character; it's really childish, but it makes sense, and it combines with her talents and skillset to make a genuinely threatening villain. And the story never TELLS us ANY of this outright; it's all show, not tell. And that's why I LOVED it. They didn't need to say a word, they just let us see the scenes and come to that conclusion. It was brilliant.
BUT TURNS OUT, THAT WAS ALL ME FILLING IN THE BLANKS FOR NO REASON??? Like, none of that is true because she apparently has MULTIPLE families she lies to be a part of, she's JUST a pure evil 14 year old girl. And now I'm just sitting here suffering.
i did that too, but left the show as soon as season 4 "ending" happened
I think that was initially meant to be her backstory, but I think the writers figured out that wouldn't have been a compelling backstory for a future main villain, that's why I think she pretty much disappeared during S4 and is now appearing a lot in S5 (which is the last season with Gabriel as the main villain), they probably put her character on hold this time in order to figure out how to make her more evil than Gabriel and to justify her taking over him as the next main villain.
@@dancordea9149 yes they cut her out making her a worse character entirely. They messed with things that people were happy with it making Lila's character even worse. Also again Lila becoming the next "main villain" is just a bad idea since EVERYONE knows it's happening and we can't do anything about it. As soon as I found out that they revealed it so early I left the show.
And thing is making her a good character isn't remotely impossible like you want a character that threatens Marinette's relationship with her friends? No problem just make Lila gave her a magic to back her lies and there you can dumb the characters and make Lila more intriguing without feeling like you mess everything
Honestly, I see Lila to be potentially a great villain. She can be a great manipulator who turns the characters’ weaknesses against them like Marinette’s emotionally-drive for justice or the class’s kindness. She knows to manipulate the narrative and be like a puppet master. Yet there are a few issues on her character, specifically two.
First, an unpopular opinion, and that is I think I can understand why people would fall for her lies. The school itself has a ton of students who are famous in a way (a mayor’s daughter, a teen model, owner of the Ladyblog, etc) and having famous relatives, so it makes sense for them to believe Lila is another person who is famous herself or has famous connections. Plus, she can be emotionally manipulative which she uses to throw out rational thinking, so it’s easier for people to not question her.
However, there are definitely flaws to her character. The first being that they are really pushing her to be this big mastermind manipulator, like having three moms while they don’t know about it, or knowing who Monarch is (but that’s on the fence since the episodes before that haven’t come out yet). It just feels a little too exaggerated, and I understand it’s a cartoon at all, but she’s also fourteen-years old! Second is like you said, her motive. We don’t know what her true motive is. At first, we thought it would be that Lila is lying for attention and her mom is absent most of the times, but then you learn she has two more moms this whole time, and her plan seems to expand on trying to take Marinette’s life next. It feels like some of those fanfics where people would have Lila be connected to like the mafia or something (obviously not to that extent in the show, but it definitely feels like that). Having a motive is what makes a character much more interesting, and even if Lila might be going to be one of those pure evil characters, she still needs at least a motive on why she’s doing it.
What? She has 3 moms…what the heck. 😂
But yeah, when I was watching the show-I stopped watching after season 3-I actually originally really liked Lila as a potential villain.
However I agree that she ended up even in season 1-3 to not be capable enough as a true master manipulator.
Basically, I would even go so far as to say if you’re writing a true ultimate manipulating villain character then it would actually be very good writing to have the protagonist of the show to be deceived for a time as well.
That can actually help make a villain appear more intimidating and even add some drama.
There’s a reason why we remember scenes like, Luke, I am your father-and such.
Because when the protagonist and audience through the protagonist have an emotional connection to their friendship it’s so much more impactful when they’re betrayed.
Some of the “most evil” villains are ones that betray someone who really had their back.
For example, I think they could have gone down this route during the episode when Marinette abused her power and outted Lila as not knowing Ladybug in front of Adrien.
Later in the episode after Lila is deakumatized Ladybug apologizes for what she did. I can’t remember too well anymore but I think Lila apologizes but they make it extremely clear she’s lying.
And that Ladybug at that time isn’t certain if her apology was accepted but she hopes so.
I think that’s where they could have begun Lila’s masterful manipulation arc. I think Lila should have continued to be nice to Ladybug and Marinette. And gradually gained her trust.
Now THAT I think would have been epic.
Because now the hero of the story will experience the same as other victims of Lila’s elaborate lies. And that’s more impactful. Because it’s more personal. It also makes the hero more human.
Which is another topic but I think the hero we have in Miraculous is a little too right all the time. Even on things that she really should have no knowledge on. She’s never wrong-and that’s a problem. Because humans are never completely right 100% of the time. And it is the most impactful parts of a story usually when the hero character has to overcome their own flaws.
But yeah, motive is the most important thing about a villain. You’re correct about that. If their motivations aren’t believable. If they don’t choose to do wrong but are forced to. If they aren’t given any opportunities to change and are never really given a true chance to change. Then you won’t get a villain character that people will get behind.
A true evil villain has to be someone who has a believable motive. And who has the opportunity to change and has someone who tries to help them but they still choose to do evil.
That’s a character people can root against but also see as a believable and interesting villain.
yes, I agree, about the motive part but about the first part the "famous" thing is stupid enough. Like how they frame Marinette to be super poor and then it's like the most popular bakery in all of PARIS.
Also, another big problem with Lila is that everyone is dumbed down into believing her and just saying Marinette is overreacting. When they barely know Lila and its shows that Marinette is reliable and trustworthy! Even in later seasons where Alya KNOWS that Marinette is a ladybug and the show just says Nope to the talk they SHOULD have. Which would make the story more interesting but god forbid we have that!? Instead, Alya continues to support Lila just because the plot needs her too. Not to mention how chloe has just turned into a plot device for lila which again feels forced.
Her lies aren't exactly hard to disprove as long as they do a background check. Take that Hero's Day lie where she lied about being with Prince Ali, who is close to Rose and are great friends with according to the secret cards. Wouldn't Rose atleast contact him? Maybe mention how was one that one of her classmates are doing since they are with him.
And Alya...she literally lied about being 2 peas and a pod with Ladybug, who Alya now knows who is Marinette, someone who hates Lila.
And as it was said, Adrien also dislikes Lila and yet they dismiss him. Someone like Adrian who isn't known to hate others, doesn't believe things without proof like he displays in Rocketear where he doesn't believe that ChatNoir is flirting with Alya (Granted he is CN but through Nino's eyes he doesn't believe things without proof).
And srly...her being able to speak all languages? Wouldn't they atleast ask to translate things? They can have Markov to prove she's right and wrong. Speaking of which, they made Max from Einstein level to dumb brainless in Lila's presence. For one, its a napkin not a rock, and 2, he wears glasses!
true the school also has the most famous singer’s daughter
For me, what doesn’t work is two things. One, her lies don’t make sense to the point that they could fall apart so easy: no one really sees or asks about her charity work, the higher ups don’t question her medical records, and everyone interacts with Jagged Stone and Rose interacts with Prince Ali, so anyone could have asked either of them at any time if she knew them even though she claimed that she did. Second, and worst of all, everyone has to be written as incredibly gullible and stupid for her lies to work. Alya is the worst case of this, because even when Marinette is accused of cheating on an exam, pushing Lila down the stairs and stealing from her (which is all already way too convenient), it NEVER OCCURS to her that Marinette MIGHT be telling the truth, and immediately sympathises with Lila. And even after she is told that Marinette is Ladybug, the whole lie about Lila being friends with Ladybug should have been enough to prove that! Alya is a very intelligent character, so it becomes incredibly frustrating for her not to believe her friend at this point! Did Marinette even tell Alya about all the awful things Lila did? It just seems wrong and the writers did a disservice to Alya.
This would only freaking work if 1. Lila knew how to make credible lies well, like mixing the truth with lies, or spinning stories around like the time she said to Kagami that Marinette was the one who lied and took advantage of people’s kindness, 2. If we did see much more of Lila doing more to earn people’s trust, like when she babysits her classmates’ siblings, and again she did that well with Kagami by taking advantage of her insecurities, so her reliability isn’t questioned, and 3. If more than just Marinette and Adrien believed that she was a liar. If Alya ended up believing Marinette, but also didn’t know how to prove that Lila was a liar, then at least we have that aspect out of the way.
Same opinion
Also, Lila goes two schools, wear a wig and goes by Cerise in her other school
Tbh that episode hasn't officially aired yet.
@@dancordea9149 True. Sorry thought I saw it in relevation.
@@petalembrace7684 You did, but that episode hadn't aired in English.
*spoiler warning for some episodes*
Yeah, I'm with you on this. I like Lila's character and thought she had potential but it infuriates me how every time she is on screen all of a sudden it seems like every other character besides Mari and Adrein now has an IQ of 3 and the brain of a toddler who still takes everything at face value.
Like who in their right mind thought that Mari, who most of them had known since kindergarten, was a horrible thief on multiple occasions by now! Like is this the same girl that everyone goes to for help, and that everyone thought was reliable enough to be a class rep? Also, speaking of class rep, why was everyone on board with holding another election for it when they've already gone through most of the school year? Like idk about your guy's schools but I know my school (and I'd think most schools) wouldn't re-elect class reps/any sort of student government member every time a new kid comes in and complains that they weren't there to run, and surely not after the new kids have been there for months. Like boo-hoo, too bad just try next year then.
Also when they finally oust Lila it literally had to come from her mouth and be spelled out for them, not after the fact that Sabrina stated that Lila and Chloe made her forge the papers, but I'd bet that if Sabrina did cave and say that Mari did it everyone would believe Lila for the umpteenth time and have to be almost expelled for, like, the third time because of Lila specifically.
Which is incredibly stupid, Sabrina is literally Chloe's servant, once they found she forged the papers they should've immediately linked it to Chloe and by extension Lila regardless of what Sabrina was gonna say (lying on Chloe's behalf should've been expected from her lol).
I get it. It's like when Chloe is the main antagonist of the episode it's funny and pathetic and she gets her comeuppance.
When Lila is the antagonist, it's like "here we go with this bullshot again" and "what the he'll is her problem?!?"
And nothing ever happens to Lila either.
I feel like Kagami finding out Gabe was Monarch would've been super interesting. 1 because her being a sentimonster would help break control from her mom but also how she would deal with it and Adrien.
Spoiler.....
In the last few episodes Kagami actually knew Gabriel was the monarch, There's no particular reaction. No break down , no Surprise, just meh. Lazy writing
@@happyblue4940 HEY!! Why would you spoil?! :((
@@happyblue4940 which episode?
@@happyblue4940I knew Season 5 has been the worst written season so far, but come on! This is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
Honestly i just hate lila. Her only reason for existance in this series is to be a definition of cliffhanger. But if you think about it she doesn't have a reason to hate marinette . Chloe on the other hand clearly Has a reason why she wants to get marinette out of her way because they are rivals . Chloe learns from her mistakes and lila pulls of bullcrap such as pretending her School was closed do she can lie to entire Class that she is in different country . How did her mother didn't get a notice or something like that that her daughter doesn't attend classes anymore ? It just doesn't have aby sense
People only like her because the plot progresses when she's in the episode, but that's the issue, why can't it progress without her? Why can't they stop dumbing down the characters and widlly changing how they act in Lila's situations just for the sole purpose of making Marinette seem smart,, like... Didn't Lila straight up "admit" that she has a "rare disease" which makes her say things she can't control? Why is everyone still taking her seriously it's so stupid. I've read the bible and won't say what her motive is but it definitely should have been revealed already, she just seems angry for the sake of being angry this way, a nothingburger of a character because she was used so little in season 4 for example.
Does she even progress the plot that much tho ? I guess she did in Volpina, but otherwise she just creates drama in Marinette's life that gets reversed by the end of each episode. Felix and even Chloe progress the plot much more than her.
I mostly agree, but before season 5 not even Felix was used that much apart from the few episodes he was in (ofc excluding the s4 finale with his huge role) although I agree he is the biggest plot accelerator now and we love him for that. Chloe's drama gets resolved fairly quickly too but now that Chloe and Lila teamed up they are progressing the plot, props to season 5 for that but it was about time anyway lol. And since Lila being the main villain is inevitable I see why they are trying to rush her into situations to progress the plot but they're mostly doing it in an over the top way..
@@kimfla Chloe did have her Queen Bee arc tbh and also Lila (and by extension Chloe) didn't really progress the plot this season till Revelation except for causing a couple of akumatizations (something S1 Chloe alone could also do). I know them becoming class reps is gonna be important, but these episodes have not aired yet.
I won't lie, I absolutely HATE Lila with every fiber of my being. She's annoying, her lies are so ridiculous it's enough to kill innocent braincells and she's manipulative in a way worthy of an antagonist but the way she's used in the show makes me want to see her killed off already.
As much as I DESPISE Lila, I'll admit that there could have been more potential for her as an antagonist cause the way she just pops in and out when it's convenient enough to antagonize Marinette and nothing more before season 5 makes it look like they were making her character as they go and not before hand.
Another thing, making Marinette the only target of her direct antagonism also ruins her potential cause with her characteristics, many other characters could have worked as her enemies with relevance to the story. For example:
a) Alya vs Lila - A rivalry|enemity between Alya and Lila would haveade more sense. Alya is the fox hero of illusion while Lila is the fox villain of deception then their conflict would have been a battle of truth vs lies. Also it would have been a good chance for Alya's journalistic skills to the test as her intuition tells something is wrong so she sets out to search for the truth and disprove Lila's lies making their conflict an interesting game of cat and mouse.
b) Adrien vs Lila - As we know Adrien has little experience with social conflict so a conflict with Lila about telling the truth and ignoring the lies would have helped his character development.
So, instead of Adrien being the target of Lila's greed and desire, it would be Marinette instead cause with her connections she can make Lila's lies truth. This would create a conflict for Adrien to face because while he may not like conflict, he likes the idea of his friend taken advantage of even less which pushes him to challenge Lila and try to expose her
.......etc
Just these two examples alone to name a few could have well utilized Lila antagonistic plot and make the story more interesting rather than make everyone else idiotically oblivious to Lila's lies that it's not funny anymore and Marinette the only one with a working brain.
As to how on earth Lila ever found out that Gabriel is "HawkMoth" ; the best explanation that I can come up with is that while in the Agreste Mansion perhaps for some advertisment gig, she had some time to do a little snooping and must have found out while being alittle sneak.
Lila could be a good villain and manipulator, but she is undermined by the quality of the writing. Everyone turns stupid when she’s onscreen and it’s too easy for her to cause drama. It’s like almost every character becomes kindergartners in terms of intellect for her to work.
Ugh hate her and she's seriously run her course as a villain. They need new ones tbh but u can admit her VA does a good job. I'll laugh when she fails as the new HM 😂
I had a Lila in my life in elementary and middle school, so she always makes my skin crawl because she reminds me of her. But I will credit Lila for creating a nice/friendly persona in front of everyone she's met so far, so they think she's this nice person who can't hurt a fly while being passive-aggressive with everything she's saying. And Lila is right about people wanting to hear what they want; it's one of the reasons why they believe her so quickly and don't look into it; everything that comes out of her fat mouth sounds amazing, and they don't second guess anything. Also, it just shows how small/fixed-minded everyone is when it comes to Lila because they do not want to think past another reason why Marinette dislike Lila so much; it's just easier to assume it's over jealousy when she really has nothing to be jealous of, and the reason why they don't believe Adrien either is that they see it as him supporting his girlfriend. Also, they don't really listen to him about how he feels, which is why he has difficulty talking to him about it; they don't understand him.
Lila has gone past having plot armor to straight up being plot cancer: she makes everything around her weaker and dumber just to hamfist a pathetically flimsy plot through for an episode. Her motivations are petty and her development? Static.
I do agree that it makes no sense that in the last five seasons everyone STILL believes her over Marinette and Adrian. I mean, aren’t Nino and Alya supposed to be friends with them?🙄😊
Wait, Alya still believes Lila despite knowing who ladybug is?
@@victoriaescobedo5458 take a guess
@@fatherplatypus2316 Even the lie about her being best friends with Ladybug?
@@victoriaescobedo5458 sigh, mate. Alya, despite knows EVERYTHING, still sided with Lila over Marinette. Why? Bcs the writers deleted her brain for plot convenience
@Father Platypus Figures, I stopped watching after Truth (Truth itself sounds dull as a villain name), glad I stopped giving this show full attention
I dislike Lila as a character as more often than not, her schemes require the cast to become even more smooth brains than they normally are.
Her lazy writing is so bad I'm pretty sure the 3 moms thing was an animatiom error as it's one thing for a parent to have a secret family, it's complete madness to assume that a child can have secret parents
nah, she does have 3 moms and other personas.
My biggest complaint is everyone literally becomes as smooth brain as Gabe so she gets away with her clearly obvious vs. nothing makes me hate a character more is when everyone else is so out of character just for the character gimmick (Lila lies) to work. It's hard to watch
I'm still wondering how Lila knew about Gabe's identity without knowing Marinettes. She sees Marinette on a daily basis and Ladybug shows her face in public a lot more than Hawkmoth does. My only guess would be that Lila has known since Heroes Day, since Gabriel detransformed on the Eiffel Tower, and Lila was there at the time and might have seen it. Other than that, I don't know how else she would know cause if she knew his identity from being smart enough to figure it out, then it should be even easier for her to figure out Marinette's identity.
They could've expanded on her character so much and fleshed out her back story to give her some character development. But nope they just rinse and repeat the exact same storyline with her being a manipulator and manipulating people it's pretty boring tbh
To be honest, they could have done it to many characters, but nowadays most characters are delegated to "Adrienette cheerleaders" club, and the rest are just used for plot convenience.
"She just annoyes me, but not in the 'I hope Marinette gets this big meanie!' kinda way, but in the oh, this character kinda sucks, I don't wanna watch her type of way" Weirdly enough this is me with Chloé right now
With the way that they write characters in this show, I have a feeling that they’re gonna try to give her some sad backstory about her childhood to explain why she’s like this and going to try to make you feel sympathy for her when at this point, it’s too little too late because it’s been five seasons, and we don’t know her motivations. Whatever they do to explain why she’s like this, I doubt going to be any good, and I personally won’t really care because I don’t like this character either.
The video aged like fine wine. Now she's the new hawkmoth.
Its so annoying and stupid how the cult class is dumb so not only they not believe mari but will mindlessly believe lila no matter what
Here’s the thing, Lila is a good villain (to an extent), just *really* underused.
If I had a say, I’d make Lila actually have a brain (or at least more than one wrinkle in there) and have good ideas. My own ‘universe’ (in big quotations) has it that Gabe is actually dumb to an extent, he’s shortsighted and too laser focused on the Miraculouses to notice the fact that the two people he’s working with (Lila and an original character) are both working separately to betray him.
That would be way better and would explain Gabe’s dumb moves, if he was desperate and wasn’t concerned with the longevity of his schemes. And if Lila was actually a good liar and had wrinkles in her brain.
Lila being able to fool everyone was foreshadowed with the fox miraculous 👀 she specializes in illusions
Yeah
3 moms who don’t know about each other? Like wtf? Does she have a lie for every night she needs to stay with another mom. How do they not know where she’s staying, maybe one mom being absent and not really caring is believable but I refuse to believe all three full grown mothers and not one of them has tried to figure out her school life, her housing or look over everything herself because that’s literally (or supposedly) their daughter. And what did Lila get adopted by each one? Which ones the real one? Like what is this plot point? It’s ridiculous!
Maybe two moms is more easy to get away with but three? For a teenager, no matter how good of a liar you are, that is complete bs. When you are a teen your parents are still your guardian and have to do a lot and know a lot about you for official things. The school board would know which mom registered her or not and even if Lila lied about a fake school, what parent wouldn’t check?
Lila is just an attempt to make a pretty op villain potential. Trying to make her too “badass and untouchable” to the point where it makes no sense and not enjoyable, drives me insane.
Lila Rossi is the hate of my reason for why the rest of the mrs bustier’s class are so stupid and agree with her so much easily. Justice for Marinette 😍🎊🎉 3:00 also she deserves lifetime in prison. Psychopath supremacy😈👹 5:42 wonder what would happen if she knew Marinette was ladybug, she definitely choke her to death 💀, then Alya will become Scarabella and mourn for best friend and take revenge on Lila Rossi/Volpina/Hoaxer 4:32 Lisa Jennings does a great job voicing her ❤.
somehow you sound more childish than a toddler , looking at this comment
Pretty sure Lila is either a sociopath or a psychopath
@@xeniahaze I don't think that works.
They are already pretty similar, it's really only the differences that them their own thing.
Even they have a proper motive and explanation behind their actions
Lila is a Villain Sue.
That said, if I were to make any changes about her, I would have her and Chloe begin their alliance a little earlier. It could have begun at the beginning of Season 4 so we could see Chloe's deterioration happen more organically and it would have given the rift between Sabrina and Chloe development.
It’s wildly infuriating to me how Thomas Astruc wrote Lila’s villain arc. Like, if you want to make her a compulsive liar who can easily deceive and manipulate people with charm and charisma, make it believable. Having three moms and somehow evading the government (and not providing her school with legal information) is so laughable and unbelievable. Thomas can just make it easier on himself by not writing these crazy situations for her, just make her a subtle manipulator like Regina George.
I hope it's not the case, I hope I'm 100% wrong on this one. But as an Italian I do fear that the intention of making her hateble as possoble rather than a compelling villain was because she is Italian. I'm saying that because the relationship between Italians and French is not really rainbow and sunshine even today. (France released during the pandemic a commercial mocking Italy for the Covid-19 situation for example)
When ever I write my MLB stories I all ways go for a nice Lila, my reason “Why because I said so” (I am after all the creator)
You perfectly summed up why I find Lila such an annoying part of the show and why she doesn't work as a villain like some of the other characters do. For a show like Miraculous, especially because it's a kids' show, there's an expectedly HIGH level of suspension of disbelief, especially around things like "how incompetent adults are." That's why, even though Gabe constantly is incredibly smooth-brained, I don't think it harms suspension of disbelief or goes against the tone of the show. Gabe is an incompetent villain, but Roger is also an incompetent cop, Mr. Damocles is an incompetent principal, Su-Han is an incompetent Guardian, etc. By real world standards, nearly every adult in Miraculous is comically bad at what they're supposed to do -- but this is bog-standard for a kid's show, and is also generally understood within the conceit of the story. The other characters in the world acknowledge recognize when people are bad at things. Other character recognize that Chloe is a spoiled jerk, or that Felix is a manipulative liar.
But Lila only works if the other characters are wearing the stupid hat all the time, and are being distrustful of their friends in ways that are deeply out of character. It makes absolutely no sense for Alya or Kagami to be taken in by Lila's obvious manipulation and obvious desire to hurt Marinette. It's just annoying to watch.
I don’t think you need the motive known for a villain to be interesting. Take Iago from the play “Othello.” He convinces Othello his wife is cheating and he does this effectively by slowly, gradually casting doubt, and then finally convincing him with a final piece of “proof,” which is her handkerchief (that he got from her laundry basket) that Othello finds in his friend’s rooms.
Lila in earlier seasons was better at this, making people doubt Marinette first with the “stolen” necklace in the locker and then pretending Marinette threw her down the stairs. They couldn’t disprove her lies in the end they were so well set up, Adrien had to convince Lila to undo it.
But season 5 Lila’s methods just don’t make sense and are poorly set up. Take when she tries to replace Marinette as class president. She claims Marinette called her a name just then in that moment and no one questions this? Really? It’s so obvious she didn’t say that.
Or when Kagami is fed the lie that Marinette is a master manipulator it feels so forced that Kagami buys that immediately, even if she and Lila are friends at that point. Especially when in the end Kagami realizes that Marinette is not like that, then it makes no sense for her to continue to see Lila as a friend. I don’t know about you but if someone started to tell hurtful lies about my friend, I wouldn’t trust that person at all. So no motive, but also no believable way she could manipulate people kind of takes you out of the story. Yes, it feels forced. Unless she practices hypnosis or something but I doubt it.
Any character in cartoon history could lie better than Lyla! It isn't a good trait. And she should be improved upon...🐞🐾👍
She isn't a good lier
Well... Her character is just not explored enough yet. From a few leaks and some tweets from Thomas Astruc, I think that by the end of this season (probably episodes 21-22) we will explore her character much deeper, and maybe we'll see some backstory or her goals will be revealed
That's neet... but A: given how this show's episodes get released I'm expecting that to be sometime in December when we get to see it. Also we're 5 seasons in and half the show is filler anyway, we should know more about her then this.
@@playererror4044 I am not sure if you're aware about this but the writers were forced to make each episode with it's own story , bcs they are writing a show for kids and Zag was a very small company at the time, now because the show gained all this popularity they can continue a plot in more than one episode, so that's why season 5 is a little rushed with it's development and character growth. And the rest of this season should be fully aired by july not December
Chloé is a character you love to hate (up until recently). Lila is a character you just utterly despise. I agree with another comment someone left here that if we'd gotten Chloé's redemption arc, Lila would have been an open opportunity to become the new schoolground bully.
(SPOILERS INCOMING just in case) I hate the fact that Alya, even now knowing that Marinette is Ladybug, still chooses to believe Lila over her best friend and literal superhero. And like you said, it's ridiculous that everyone would choose to believe her over Marinette and Adrien, two of the most trustworthy kids in the school. Lila could have a lot of potential if she was written just a smidge better. Her motivation is bullshit, and everything is far too easy for her to succeed at.
I can't stand how she's been manipulating Kagami during season 5. Kagami is a smart character with true struggles in forming bonds. She finds a true first friend in Marinette after she makes up for trying to sabotage her, but the SECOND Lila opens her mouth to speak negatively she believes her at the drop of a hat. Kagami has been akumatized so many times JUST because of fucking Lila.
My word, this has little to do with the video, but at 3:34, with the clip you chose, it almost looks like you are speaking for Chat Noir! It's perfect!
Lila had an amazing potential but they ruined any chance to make her a good villain.
Can you make a video like this about Alya, Nino and Kagami
Kagami: best girl. Got the most development. Deserves more love from the fandom
Alya: was actually great, but inconsistently stupid
Nino: not even worth mentioning
Honestly, she´s one of the reasons I didn´t want to watch anymore, besides Marinette being a creepy stalker & Chloe getting trashed. Whenever Lila comes on screen I don´t even want so see it, because it´s really always the same and I hate it: tells some outrageous lies and everyone is still on her side, no one is questioning her and no one can do anything about it >_> Also, do we ever see her not pulling this sinister face after someone is looking away? It´s annoying :/
Would loveee to see you compare personalities between season 1 and 5. Such a big difference I've noticed a decline in alongside animation quality.
Are u sure she has 3 different moms. In the episode oni-Chan we learn that on a voicemail we hear that Lila’s mom is not around often. So the person by the train with Lila could be a older sister or older cousin.
Yes she does, it comfirmed and well there's leaks lol.
Lila is definitely manipulative, but her lies work because characters are dumb- but also because she does have a way of being convincing, but being consistent or having the reasons make sense are not among them. Theres twists planned that are absolutely shocking yet in character, and explain what I thought was an oddly consistent animation error.
They did her dirty with that hair style.
I agree w this too, it always bothered me how they stupify all of Paris whenever lila is on screen.
i'm sure everyone in school will finally see lila true evil self a villain, a lair and a fraud in season 5
Yeah. On one end, when Lila pops up, there is a bit of story progression. But overall I don’t like the character. It doesn’t make sense just how much everyone gets tricked by her. And we really have zero sense of any motivation for her. And with Gabriel and Chloe, you can see some motivation, but so far with Lila. All we know is that she is deceptive and loves to be deceptive. No explanation why, when did this start or what is the end goal
I think lila is just annoying, and not in a fun way. I always just roll my eyes 🙄 whenever she is on screen and I just don't get how no one notices that she's lying. Some of the stuff is so easy to check 🤦♀️ but everyone just believes her. It's so frustrating and I hate it. She can jump into the river Seine and drown for all I care
I have a theory, that in the miraculous universe, some people naturaly have 'superpowers'. Like luka who is so good at reading people and turning it into music. It seems like Lila herself does not know how she is doing it. So what if her power is to appear 'trustworthy' unless you absolutely know she is not. Like marinette fighter her and knowing, that she is not traveling. Or that she is not friends with ladybug. (However alya SHOULD know this too).
That would make for a good Story because Master Fu talked about magical creatures, that are not kwamis. A power that excists in the universe. It would make so much sense if humans could have this power naturaly. Of course not as strong as the kwamis but still.
However i don't think the writers would go with that sadly.
A backstory all the great villains or jerks have a backstory
What I'm confused about is how she can keep up the charade with all 3 of her moms. She is on major ad campaigns with one of the most famous models, designers, and technology moguls in Paris, and only one of her moms is aware of that. The only one we saw at the train station.
So what about the other two? Will they not be confused as to why their daughter is on billboards and as an A.I in Alliance Rings? Did she somehow manage to lie her way out of them having to sign off permission and legal forms? One of her moms is a council member! I'm sure she must be aware of the proper paperwork needed for this to even be allowed.
How do any of her lies even hold up?
How...how the hell do you trick someone into thinking they're your mother? Let alone multiple people??
That is exactly my problem with her. THANK YOU for finally pointing it out! The reason I hate her so much is because she makes me hate other characters (some with actual narative potential) EVERY TIME she´s on screen and I can´t help but resent her for stealing screentime from other characters, that could be getting some much needed development in those scenes that are instead, wasted on her and the authors´ insistance to remind us, that noone but the three main characters can be expected to behave IN CHARACTER, where Lila is involved. It´s like they want to distance us (the audience) from all the characters, especially those who are in the positon to be quite interesting narative-wise (you know, if they fired everyone involved and started from scratch). And even when they actually managed not to completely butcher Kagami, when Lila first started flirting her way, that kinda felt like an accident and that is NOT a good sign in terms of the writing.
This whole story has gotten so messed up, that the only compelling ideas for redeeming fanfiction I´m getting at the moment are Marinette trying to kill herself and then starting a whole new show with a whole other set of characters (Six of Crows being my favorite at the moment) in a far away place OR Marinette getting emancipated and starting a fashion empire, before showing almost EVERY SINGLE OTHER CHARACTER that one body part that´s typically located centrally at the end of your hand. Which would get rid of all the inconsistant flight-risks at the expanse of Marinette herself acting wildly out of character now too. (I´m not saying she couldn´t do it, she´s just not brutal or self-perserving enough to make that cut.)
Only thing I can think of why Lila Hates Mari is jealousy and also the fact that Marinette knows how much of a liar Lila is , so she is afraid of getting her out
I would like to see someone falling in love with Chat Noir. He gets way less romantic attention then Adrian. It would be interesting to see, the character's confession to him and how he handles the rejection to them
"Adrien, Adrien, Adrien. All the girls are fighting over him. No one's fighting over me. Yet I am more sophisti-cat-ed, funnier and definitely better dressed than him"
When u said A unholy union i cracked up 😂
I agree entirely, plus she only started getting revenge on Marinette/ladybug when she is an obstacle from getting close to Adrien, that's it. At least Felix and monarch or whatever his name has a solid reason for being that way, Lila there is no reason besides the fact she's a jealous freak.
I feel like for a backstory we didn’t get gave till 3..4 season but there was mystery too it but for Lila nothing would make sense to explain her way of thinking.
Almost everyone ever: IQ around decent (no idea the specifics of it)
IQ of every one (except Marinette and Adrian) when Lila is around :-69696969696969
her whole “villian arc” makes no sense like why is she even a villian because she’s jealous that marinette gets close to adrien? It makes no sense she doesn’t even have an actual valid reason to be a villian chloe and Gabriel have more reasons and background as to why they are villians I just believe lila is doing all this stuff like making false identity’s and teaming up with Gabriel before just because she wants a boy and it’s stupid.
Lila is the best character and most mysterious, it was all made on purpose, no one is supposed to know anything about her, only in later episodes we'll probably find out why she behaves like this. wait guys, then judge
@@mabi2282 it still doesn’t make sense though I feel like they just changed her whole characters storyline just to make her “mysterious” it makes no sense no 14 year old has multiple identities
@@abril1841 actually, there was a plot twist at the end, but Lila was manipulative from the beginning and behaved mentally
Actually youre right*
the problem I have with Lila is the fact her one personality trait is *Lying* and yet she doesn't do that well with it. Now don't get me wrong she has successfully lied to people... but... *This entire verse of a show is filled with individuals who got the thought process of a Jellyfish*
Alya for example is trying to become a Journalist an seeks to get evidence first before anything. Yet she believed Lila so fast and didn't take the slightest consideration of the words being "False" or a bit sketchy... And Lila has pulled some terrible lies ngl.
Another instance was when the Principal expelled Marinette for the lie Lila pulled which was the most exasperated things I've seen. Look I don't like Marinette but I know the ways of Mastering Bullcrappery and Lila just did it. How do you expel someone for 1 singular mishap? Makes 0 logical sense for any school. In school cases for something this minor you'd at best punish them with cleaning classrooms or something.
*My school for example has a dude who went through 2 fights and took pictures of girls panties (And he got caught) yet he didn't get expelled like that's crazy.*
Yet for this case of Marinette getting expelled it's for such a light thing.
It's as if Lila is a Mary Sue. Whenever she says a lie, she magically decreases everyone IQ just so they believe it. What makes her character even worse is that it doesn't even make the *Viewers believe her.* I've seen shows where a lie is pulled off so effectively that it can trick the audience. Straight deception that is very impressive I must say so myself. Though Lila is just out in the open ;-;
She just isn't a good antagonist at all. Kinda just an annoying roadblock.
I want to compare Lila to a character in Danganronpa. Celestia Ludenberg. She is also a pathological liar and acts spoiled and selfish, but is actually an ordinary woman who is just awesome at gambling. She has a false fancy version of herself to show to other people. The reason why her lies work is because Danganronpa has all these teenagers locked in a school together and told to kill each other. They’re all complete strangers so no one really wants to think about what Celeste says because of the stressful situation they’re all in until it comes to their attention. That and Celeste is fairly good at reading people. Since she is also stuck in this school, she analyzes the personalities of everyone and the rules of the killing game to come up with a plan to execute for her to get out. While her denial became a bit stupid at the end, it was mostly because her lying and trickery were discovered and found out as to how she killed two people at the same time in separate locations. Miraculous Ladybug takes place in a fairly ordinary present day environment just with magic powers. Everyone can literally always have the resources to fact check Lila on her lying, but they just don’t for some reason 😅. She does feel like she is a similar character to Celeste, who I adore btw, but the quality of writing for the manipulation, the lies she tells, the world this show takes place in, how easy it is to see her BS, the lack of planning by Lila to carry out her schemes, all culminates in a very poorly written liar character.
Read a fanfic crossover between danganronpa and miraculous ladybug. Celeste was a new student in Miss bustiers class and exposed Lila by asking about her lies and if others thought it was strange. So Celeste is the queen of lies that can't be beaten.
The problem with Lila is the same as Cinder in RWBY. Both of them are characters that are supposed to be threatening, but we know next to nothing about them, so how am I supposed to feel around them? And by the time we do get their backstories, it won’t matter at this point because it was added so late. Plus given the Miraculous team’s writing standards, I promise you will be a very cliche, yet unsurprisingly contrived backstory
Cinder killed an important character
You know the funny thing about villains; they don’t need to tell lies to get what they wanted or need or deserve
They can create something but lying is not always a winning chance
Because Lila is pure evil than Gabriel Agreste/Hawk Moth as she's very good at lying and manipulation people to side with her. She has no regret or remorse for what her lies has done to people from her action even if it means to do anything for her goal. Now that Lila is exposed in Season 5, she's is now becoming more dangerous than ever before which will lead her a path to become the next Hawk Moth.
Yeah I agree
like Zoey, i dont like lila past her design n'' that she was ''''supposed'' to be a mean girl... But, like zoey her character falls flap due to lack of proper development on opposite ends. The writers want ya to love Zoey, but she's never front n'center to actually develop. Lila suffers the same on the '''villain,'' end. Give these gals something to do...
Are you going to make a video on the new Miraculous Awakening trailer?
Hey In my opinion whatever you said was soooo true and I felt it like that till season 3. I wanted her to just get off the screen. Season 4 I was kinda glad she was given very less screen time but my opinion on her changed in season 5 with liking her atc a bit with all the importance given to her. Don't get e wrong I still don't wanna see her on screen but this time because of her getting caught in her web if lies. Season 4 is the one which is however where I have mixed fillings. She was set up as a major antagonist in season 3 and in season 4 she was prominent only in the finale but at the same time not.
Note(edited): I still hate how everyone gets dumb around her. Never was a fan of that, never am or never will be.
I think she is annoying. They give her wayyy too much plot armor. Like are anyone of the writers PARENTS!? If someone like Lila came up to me and told me uncharacteristic things about my daughter I'd be like, "thats nice, gtfo." Unlike tom and Sabine that punished Marinette like wtf.
Also there is no way i would not know my kid has two other moms. The only way that happens is with a super neglectful parent. 😂😂😂😂 lila's everything is such a joke.
youve summed up my view on lila pretty well
What tends to be overlooked is Marinette has told ridiculous lies and others had to be gullible to believe them. Lila is simply lying Marinette on a higher level working off what the show setup.
It would make sense to me if she had actual parents that didnt spend time with her, compared to adrien, chloe and luka. From what i heard of a youtuber who spoke a topic of her motive and what she suggested sounded legit and still with the 3 moms fib.
Oh, I DEFINITELY agree with you on this one. Lila is by far the character I hate the most out of Miraculous.
I've been saying for a while now one of the show's biggest mistakes was turning Marinette's civilian life into an even bigger challenge than her superhero life. One thing is having trouble balancing a double life, another completely different thing is turning two mean girls into worse people than the actual bad guy instead of just an obstacle the main character has to overcome as she grows and matures. As with most things in the show, the idea isn't terrible, but its execution certainly is.
I'm also not a fan of portraying two teenagers as worse people than a literal terrorist and abusive father obsessed with bringing down two kids, but since we're going that route anyway, let's talk about why Lila just doesn't work.
As you said, she sucks. She's the kind of character that makes you want to turn off your TV and even skip any episode she's featured in. And that's not the kind of effect you want a major character to have on people; that's the kind of effect best reserved for one-time characters with no purpose other than being assholes during an episode and never appear again. A good villain doesn't have to be likeable, but it MUST be enjoyable. Which Lila certainly isn't.
And Lila isn't enjoyable because everything about her is so frustrating. Listen, if I can't bring myself to buy the class falling for her most stupid lies, then there is no way I'm buying her having three mums completely fooled. I know it's supposed to showcase how good she is at lying and manipulation, but all it amounts to is further robbing the character of any depth. Because at least Oni-chan hinted at a lonely home life being the reason she lies, to make herself feel special and receive the attention she's lacking at home, but suddenly giving her three different mums to con reduces all that to Lila being nothing more than an unconvincing, lying monster.
And THAT'S the writers' biggest fail: they didn't have to make her realistic, especially not in a fantasy-based setting, but at the very least she should have been convincing. Which, again, Lila is not.
Of course, as you already pointed out, another huge issue is how Lila is so dependent on the plot going her way for her schemes to work, even when the narrative tself would benefit if it didn't. For starters, instead of igniting the Alya salt once again by not having Alya support or believe Marinette even after having known her secret for months, they could have had Alya backing Marinette at last. This could have worked in different ways: 1) it would have put the final nail on the Alya Salt's coffin, 2) even if Alya didn't actively go out of her way to confront Lila, she could have supported Marinette by listening to her, keep her grounded when her feelings got the best of her, or even help her plan ways to expose her (season 5 is filled with episodes where the girls have a sleepover to discuss Mari's love life and not a single mention of Lila even after Illusion? Come on!), and 3) Alya could have actually been pivotal in exposing Lila.
Hell, even if they were still adamant to have Lila come out on top from that situation, it might have been the perfect chance to show how Lila is actually supposed to be a good liar if she can still get away with anything even when two of the most intelligent people in class work together to bring her down. At the very least it would have been cathartic to see Alya fuming over how slippery Lila is instead of just Marinette for once.
And finally, there's the fact that the narrative is constantly rewarding her for her actions. Whenever it appeared she would actually lose, Gabriel and the writers were right there to offer her something better. As you said, even with all her power, even Chloé faced the music for her actions, especially in season 1. Be it akuma attacks or her plans being foiled. Such thing never happens to Lila, which feels insulting to us fans. She doesn't even have to be exposed immediately! It would have sufficed to placate the fandom if her lies were actually turned against her with more lasting results or more often than once a season. Like, have Lila get out of cleaning duty because she has a photo shoot, only for Gabriel's latest akuma failure to force him to publicly cancel operations for a short while. That would accidentally leave Lila without an excuse to get out of cleaning everything by herself since everyone in class (barring Chloé) already did their part.
To summarise: Lila really freaking sucks.
Lila's not the character I kind of want to see disappear off the screen forever. Chloe is. And that's mainly because of Astruc's tweets.
How I would of done Lila is like this: keep seasons one and two the same but change season 3 where Lila takes Chloe places as the mean girl that bullies Marinette And have Chloe just keep to herself with Sabrina instead of bullying everyone and eventually become a nicer person and friend to Marinette. Show her reasoning for lying with a bit more depth because it's been hinted in Oni-Chan that her parents don't give her enough attention, so show more of that. Keep her agreement with Gab and Adrien is forced to sit lunch with her and spend time around her in school, as well as the photoshoots. Near the end of the season, have her plan to kick Marinette out of school and turn everyone against her succeed and in the series finale two parter. Alya and friends figure out Lila's lies and exposure her, causing her to be ackumatised into a villain like miracle queen, and the series ends with Marinette returning to school and Lila being expelled. However, Marinette, offers Lila one change at redemption at offering her to be a better person and join her friend group. But Lila denies and runs off. Throughout season 4, she's being home schooled. Gab cuts ties with Lila because of what happened in school, destroying her modelling career. She then becomes angry and swears revenge on Marinette, ladybug and Gab. Season 4 finale ends the same but now Lila on her supervillain path and researching all the miraculousness and their powers. Season 5 ends with her gaining the butterfly miraculous and becoming the new central antagonist.
I think that she, like most of the plot/characters, has wasted potential. I don't even think it's too late to salvage her character either, they just need to actually work on what they've put forward.
For example, the bit with her having three moms can be explained by her being abandoned/orphaned when she was young, and those women all abandoned their kids and later regretted it. She somehow found out and took advantage of them by saying she was their long-lost kid. That or her mom died, her other parent was a low life and she learned how to lie from that parent, and she convinced those women that they're their mom through her other parent having had pass relations with them.
She could hate Marinette because Marinette naturally has everything she's ever wanted, plus Marinette sees through her deception.
And idk how to explain the other characters acting out of character. That's kinda just bad storytelling. Maybe they could show evidence that she's been manipulating them more behind the scenes to make them trust/pity her.
Also, bit of an afterthought. For her outlandish lies, they should show her being a master forger, which she could have learned from the shady parent or from her past manipulation attempts.
One thing miraculous ladybug does unfortunately well is subvert your expectations. When Lila is first introduced Marinette figures out her lies and then you would expect other students would do the same. I remember thinking that Chloe would be the second one to see though her lies and eventually her and Marinette would have to team up to slowly expose her to the other classmate or at least the other main characters. But now since Lila and Chole are the ones working together any idea of her and Marinette work today is out the window.
Hey SmartyPants. Mate, I love your amazing AF channel. I think a possible explanation could be Lila Rossi being a sentimonster created by Mayura. We saw her use the peacock miraculous after Lila was introduced, but, who knows? Since they had it, she could have been using it long before Gabriel actually found out and created a sentimonster as powerful and as sly as their feelings, who then gained her own free will, potentially because the amok is either lost/ she herself carries it. I don't think Natalie would get sick so suddenly after only using the peacock miraculous for a while as shown in the series, I think she must have been using it a while prior. This is a very strong lead and would explain all these plot holes. Maybe the sentimonster is infested with some magic that makes people treat her specially? If you guys also note, all the potential sentimonsters in the show receive special treatment and, at least to an extent, have their flaws overlooked. Can I have my comment hearted and pinned, and do you agree?
A Peacock holder can only create one sentimonster at a time tho, so Mayura wouldn't have been to create any other sentimonster if she created Lila.
@@dancordea9149 But what about the twin sentimonster theory which also makes sense? Maybe she upgraded her powers like shadow moth breaks ladybugs charm. Also she's an adult.
@@PancakeRights It doesn't matter if you're an adult, you can only create one sentimonster at a time and the only way to create more is to destroy the first sentimonster you created.
That's a bit from the leaks, but Emilie created Adrien and Colt (Felix's father) created Felix, so that's 2 different holders who created them.
@@dancordea9149 What if she makes Lila disappear and reappear. Notice how we rarely see Lila at major events or during episodes where other amokisations take place?
Lila is the worst written character and Miraculous, and that's against some stiff competition thanks to the show's pacing and development issues. I can see that they want her to be an avid manipulator and master liar that has everyone eating out of the palm of her hand, but all that fails when you look at her arc and her obvious lies. The best liars and manipulators tend to rely on the truth and twist it to their advantage, preying on the emotions and toying with the people who they want to manipulate.
A great example of a master liar and manipulator would be Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, particularly in part 1, Phantom Blood. We see how from the get go he is a terrible person who seeks to reach the top because of the conditions he was raised in, he saw others as a means to an end, and no one was above being thrown under a bus if it meant he would win at the end. He and Lila go about similar avenues, making the life of the protagonist a living hell, manipulating others to suit their needs and go above and beyond to reach the top. But where they divert is that Dio's motivation is clear and when his lies are exposed he cannot hide or be easily forgiven. He is a villain that we all want to hate and see brought down because of all he has done. We get a clear reasoning behind his actions and his defeat is gratifying because we saw where he began, where he went and how he ended. Lila has a very crapy and badly developed story. There are a lot of blanks where her motivation and where she comes from should be.
If she is to become the next main villain, she has to either remain a minion or have her whole story completely reworked to even get close to a proper idea of villainy.
I think for me it has to do with her getting away with everything and that she was akumatized because someone called her out
I'm think we need more into her backstory and why they way she is. I think that's the major point. Like is she adopted? Is she somehowconnected to gabriel’s past?
I hate the fact that every time she's on screen, everyone suddenly becomes ooc