I'm taking a liking to your content. I don't mind a friendly exchange on takes. Novels aren't canon in the way you think G. The story was never accounted for and none of the events was in mind when Kubo was writing Bleach. Think of the Bleach story as a straight line upwards and then the point in time of the novel branches off into something that can't mingle completely with what comes after in Kubo's story. SO end of SAFWY Kenpachi isn't TLA Kenpachi and the story is meant to outline a singular plot point that Kubo didn't write about yet but was so accurate that he was impressed. Not that it goes inline with everything. Kenpachi didn't actually get stronger after the Nnoitra fight and was at that same level in TYBW before the Unohana fight. There are classes of spiritual pressure where combatants are so close in reiatsu that physical abilities and skills are the only thing that separates them. The high captains (accounting for base reiatsu and not transformations) includes Ulquiorra, Baraggan, Starrk, Nnoitra, Nel, Shunsui FKT Byakuya and the vizard captains. Below that where spiritual pressure difference could become a notable factor is Harribel, Grimmjow, Zommari, Soi Fon and the vizard lieutenants. Below that includes SS Ichigo, SS Byakuya, Dordoni, Rudbornne. Below is Szayel, Chad, Uryu, Cirrucci and it gets a little hazy as to who is where in this tier and lower due to less references Note well: Kaname and Komamura were already as strong in SS as they were in FKT. The Kenpachi that struggled with Nnoitra level handed them defeat. His spiritual pressure didn't intimidate them but they were just physically inferior, moreso Kaname than Komamura obviously and they were too jittery thinking that Kenpachi was an average type fighter with a big title and attacked accordingly not considering their weakness agains his strength. Kenpachi also didn't gain any more power after defeating Nnoitra so Yammy lost to a Nnoitra level fighter that just had more raw phisical power. The reason Harribel is so low is because of Nnoitra. He hated Nel and only wanted to fight her because she was stronger than him and he hated the idea of a woman being stronger (good thing he didn't know about Unohana). But he had no type of animosity toward her. That along with Kubo's statement about the espada replacements and their numbers, indicating that power isn't exactly the only factor in their placement. Also Shunsui knew that Starrk and Baraggan were ranked above 3 even though there were no reports on the fallen espada, he just knew that if Harribel is 3, Baraggan and Starrk had to be 1 and 2 but he couldn''t tell who btween the 2 that would be. It'd have been the same for Nel and Nnoitra given that Kenpachi would've been fighting on that level even with his eyepatch. Shunsui has normal strength, normal speed and is a normal combatant. His strengths are skill, and his zanpahuto ability used alongside his cunning nature. He's not Unohana and can't physically contend with power well above what he can produce using sword skill alone, even Love's and Komamura's shikai would cause him to to evade instead of trying to parry and they're pretty good physically among captains but not much against the one's who are really oriented for raw strength. Komamura's bankai is a raw strength type and the greatest one until Kenpachi's. Tosen's rez form which is very similar to Ulquiorra's SE and Ichigo's VL could physically overpower the strength type bankai while Tosen's own abilities aren't even strength oriented. This would point to all three being able to physically overpower any captain apart from the ones who have attributes that shinigami can't really attain. All this is just to say that based on multiple comparisons, Ulquiorra could already combat Starrk before SE (Ulq would get outskilled in base but not overpowered). Starrk in rez had a more annoying power but it was low damage high volume, whereas Ulquiorra in R1 had a bunch of low volume high damage that could end a fight or atleast turn it in his favor in 1 move. The same captains Starrk could combat would find it impossible to go up against Ulquiorra's attack type without mask or bankai because it's far more detrimental to get hit by any of his attacks than taking a few of Starrk's, and with his wings, he most certainly could take on those guys simultaneously. And Starrk isn't raw power oriented so, his strengths are combat skill, perceptiveness and attack volume which when combined make a very capable fighter but Ulq has a pretty good arsenal too. Anyway, Ulquiorra's SE takes his already high power and magnifies it by degrees, and don't compare it to a bankai, there are only a handful of bankais that can dish out raw power at or above that level. Not saying he compares to Yama but show another bankai apart from Yama's that would erase the seireitei many times over with no usage drawbacks in spammable attacks. Kubo went above and beyond to show that SE Ulq, GG Tosen and VL Ichigo are above shinigami bankais in general. A couple anomalies still obliterates them but the guys that can overpower them are so far above the rest that there are no comparisons. I'm not sure the novelist understood spiritual pressure differences at that time, he just had an understanding of a plot point that was yet to be revealed.
What? It's true bro. Like do you seriously believe that emo cifer is not the strongest espada. Also how I am supposed to bring up scans for a light novel that isn't even acessible. I know about Spirits are forever with you because I played brave souls. So stop yapping
Even if I didn't have scans There is no way cien is not beating ulquiorra. This is the guy who survived mugetsu. This was the original cero espada. Your calling me a cien fan for factually stating who is the actual strongest.
the one with feats not convoluted statements I agree that cien granz is the strongest ( he tanked a far inferior mugetsu than the original which is still an impressive feat nonetheless)
Damn i got spoiled for the light novels but yes in no way is Ulqiora near the strongest. His Segunda Etapa is featless and he cant even properly control his 1 signature attack he gets in that form. Starrk could easily cause the same amount of damage in a single Cero Metrallieta except it has precision. Also I like to think Yammy's release making him the zero espada just means that hes stronger than all the Espada when they don't use first release (because they disappear or at least the top 4 do for sure) which when I started to think about it makes sense because none of the other espadas change their rank or anything like that upon release and that the top 4 only have their ranks in their regular forms and not in release. Imagine Starrk not releasing and going against Shunsui Shikai and a Byakuya level Bankai, he'd probably get beaten just the same like Yammy.
Yammy stark or barragan. Barragan respira was broken I don't know why tf kubo did him so dirty. Stark fought shunsui, ukitake and 2 other vizards (All are captain+ level) and let himself be killed since everyone else who was strong as him was Killed. Yammy has ability to evolve ressuercion through rage. Although it would be easy for most espada to kill him before he became to powerful
@@Kurogami-uj4nq Idk man i think your stark logic is rly bad. Stark didnt fight ukitake firstly, all ukitake did was reflect some attacks. Starks strongest attack that literally uses his soul couldnt kill the two vizards. Ichigo's weird morphed hollow form that all the vizards took turn fighting wouldve killed lisa according to her own statement and a much stronger vasto lorde ichigo couldnt kill ulq immediately even tho ulq wasn't even trying to defend from that final blast.
@@nayeonlover134 Still the point is ulquiorra might be insanely powerful but starrrk and barragan could do the same as him. In bleach you can concéntrate your power so it does the same damage but doesnt nuke everything around you. So the ulquiorra big explosion argument doesnt work. If starrk wasn't holding back he would decimate ulquiorra.
There's still no way to prove that Aizen knew about SE. All there is to use is the "Duh Aizen is omnipotent" argument. Why wouldn't Aizen rank the form if he knew about it?
Yes there is. In the manga panel ulquiorra says AIZEN HASNT SEEN HIS SE. That means aizen could still know about it. Plus the aizen knows everything argument is valid. He gave arrancars their ressuercion, so how come he wouldn't know if Ulquiorra had a second one?
@@Kurogami-uj4nq SE is an additional form that Ulquiorra unlocked later on through training (Kubo states that Grimmjow could also learn it if he trained). It's also a lot different than a regular resureccion because a resureccion reverts an arrancar to their original hollow state (more or less), while SE made Ulquiorra into something different entirely. Then there's also the fact that Ulquiorra had already become an arrancar before Aizen even found him. All in all I don't believe Aizen should know about a form that wasn't even possible by the time he gave Arrancar powers to everybody
Sorry bro, but with aizen knowing so much about things which she should not have acess to, I just think there is no way he wouldnt know about ulquiorra second Release.
Obviously Cien granz would be the strongest if Szayel didnt separate from Yylfordt but they didnt have a synergistic relationship like Starrk and Lilynett. Ulquiorra and Yammy were the only ones to have 2nd forms and obviously Yammy could grow stronger because of his rage but Ulquiorra had higher battle IQ. Ulquiorra actually was the one to stop VL ichigo ( who partially transformed was molly whopping all the vizards like they were bird food and was stated could kill all of them if fully transformed). Kubos symbolism with Ulquiorra went over yall head, the number 4 is synonymous with death in japan every Espada represents an aspect of death nihilism is the final stage, he's death itself. Hate em all you want hes the strongest
@@Kurogami-uj4nq I disagree most espada don't have the speed to blitz VL ichigo or the strength to cut through VL ichigos hierro you're gonna tell me Aaroniero is gonna be able to cut off VL ichigos mask lol
@@Kurogami-uj4nq Aizen trusted ulquiorra the most out of all espada and trusted him to bring out ichigos potential. Aizen mixing up the numbers of the espada goes hand in hand with his manipulative nature. Like humbling Barragan
A bleach fan with a brain thank god.
anybody who doesnt know this is just a stupid fan of that loser
finally a bleach fan that doesn’t lack common sense
Facts one hundred percent facts my boi
Cien Granz is the overall strongest Arrancar ever
Don Kanoji still solos
Cfyow barragan stronger
@@hellothere-jg2sgthat's is non canon and even so cien would still be stronger
@@Kurogami-uj4nqit is canon kubo said it was and we barely have any proof of cien granz being the strongest espada
@@hellothere-jg2sg Wait are you talking about the cfyow game form of barragan?
bro i can subscribe to your channel pure facts
Yessir
Oh and hueco mundos full of reishi or smth so it gives hollows more strength so ulquiorra was only strong because they was fighting in hueco
EXACTLY
It's not just hollows though. It also powers up people like Chad, plus it's not that big of a power up to begin with
I'm taking a liking to your content. I don't mind a friendly exchange on takes.
Novels aren't canon in the way you think G. The story was never accounted for and none of the events was in mind when Kubo was writing Bleach. Think of the Bleach story as a straight line upwards and then the point in time of the novel branches off into something that can't mingle completely with what comes after in Kubo's story. SO end of SAFWY Kenpachi isn't TLA Kenpachi and the story is meant to outline a singular plot point that Kubo didn't write about yet but was so accurate that he was impressed. Not that it goes inline with everything.
Kenpachi didn't actually get stronger after the Nnoitra fight and was at that same level in TYBW before the Unohana fight. There are classes of spiritual pressure where combatants are so close in reiatsu that physical abilities and skills are the only thing that separates them. The high captains (accounting for base reiatsu and not transformations) includes Ulquiorra, Baraggan, Starrk, Nnoitra, Nel, Shunsui FKT Byakuya and the vizard captains.
Below that where spiritual pressure difference could become a notable factor is Harribel, Grimmjow, Zommari, Soi Fon and the vizard lieutenants.
Below that includes SS Ichigo, SS Byakuya, Dordoni, Rudbornne.
Below is Szayel, Chad, Uryu, Cirrucci and it gets a little hazy as to who is where in this tier and lower due to less references
Note well: Kaname and Komamura were already as strong in SS as they were in FKT. The Kenpachi that struggled with Nnoitra level handed them defeat. His spiritual pressure didn't intimidate them but they were just physically inferior, moreso Kaname than Komamura obviously and they were too jittery thinking that Kenpachi was an average type fighter with a big title and attacked accordingly not considering their weakness agains his strength. Kenpachi also didn't gain any more power after defeating Nnoitra so Yammy lost to a Nnoitra level fighter that just had more raw phisical power.
The reason Harribel is so low is because of Nnoitra. He hated Nel and only wanted to fight her because she was stronger than him and he hated the idea of a woman being stronger (good thing he didn't know about Unohana). But he had no type of animosity toward her. That along with Kubo's statement about the espada replacements and their numbers, indicating that power isn't exactly the only factor in their placement. Also Shunsui knew that Starrk and Baraggan were ranked above 3 even though there were no reports on the fallen espada, he just knew that if Harribel is 3, Baraggan and Starrk had to be 1 and 2 but he couldn''t tell who btween the 2 that would be. It'd have been the same for Nel and Nnoitra given that Kenpachi would've been fighting on that level even with his eyepatch.
Shunsui has normal strength, normal speed and is a normal combatant. His strengths are skill, and his zanpahuto ability used alongside his cunning nature. He's not Unohana and can't physically contend with power well above what he can produce using sword skill alone, even Love's and Komamura's shikai would cause him to to evade instead of trying to parry and they're pretty good physically among captains but not much against the one's who are really oriented for raw strength.
Komamura's bankai is a raw strength type and the greatest one until Kenpachi's. Tosen's rez form which is very similar to Ulquiorra's SE and Ichigo's VL could physically overpower the strength type bankai while Tosen's own abilities aren't even strength oriented. This would point to all three being able to physically overpower any captain apart from the ones who have attributes that shinigami can't really attain.
All this is just to say that based on multiple comparisons, Ulquiorra could already combat Starrk before SE (Ulq would get outskilled in base but not overpowered). Starrk in rez had a more annoying power but it was low damage high volume, whereas Ulquiorra in R1 had a bunch of low volume high damage that could end a fight or atleast turn it in his favor in 1 move. The same captains Starrk could combat would find it impossible to go up against Ulquiorra's attack type without mask or bankai because it's far more detrimental to get hit by any of his attacks than taking a few of Starrk's, and with his wings, he most certainly could take on those guys simultaneously. And Starrk isn't raw power oriented so, his strengths are combat skill, perceptiveness and attack volume which when combined make a very capable fighter but Ulq has a pretty good arsenal too. Anyway, Ulquiorra's SE takes his already high power and magnifies it by degrees, and don't compare it to a bankai, there are only a handful of bankais that can dish out raw power at or above that level. Not saying he compares to Yama but show another bankai apart from Yama's that would erase the seireitei many times over with no usage drawbacks in spammable attacks. Kubo went above and beyond to show that SE Ulq, GG Tosen and VL Ichigo are above shinigami bankais in general. A couple anomalies still obliterates them but the guys that can overpower them are so far above the rest that there are no comparisons. I'm not sure the novelist understood spiritual pressure differences at that time, he just had an understanding of a plot point that was yet to be revealed.
100 statements 0 scans , as expected by a cien fan
What? It's true bro. Like do you seriously believe that emo cifer is not the strongest espada. Also how I am supposed to bring up scans for a light novel that isn't even acessible. I know about Spirits are forever with you because I played brave souls. So stop yapping
Even if I didn't have scans There is no way cien is not beating ulquiorra. This is the guy who survived mugetsu. This was the original cero espada. Your calling me a cien fan for factually stating who is the actual strongest.
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Nah I'd Spit Facts
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the one with feats not convoluted statements I agree that cien granz is the strongest ( he tanked a far inferior mugetsu than the original which is still an impressive feat nonetheless)
But arrancar zanpakutos don’t have wills like that of a shinigami and the base resurreccion is comparable to bankai
Damn i got spoiled for the light novels but yes in no way is Ulqiora near the strongest. His Segunda Etapa is featless and he cant even properly control his 1 signature attack he gets in that form. Starrk could easily cause the same amount of damage in a single Cero Metrallieta except it has precision.
Also I like to think Yammy's release making him the zero espada just means that hes stronger than all the Espada when they don't use first release (because they disappear or at least the top 4 do for sure) which when I started to think about it makes sense because none of the other espadas change their rank or anything like that upon release and that the top 4 only have their ranks in their regular forms and not in release. Imagine Starrk not releasing and going against Shunsui Shikai and a Byakuya level Bankai, he'd probably get beaten just the same like Yammy.
Sorry bro. Bur your correct. Emo cipher us not thevstrongest
While I 100% agree the Cien is the strongest espada if we exclude the Light Novels who is the strongest espada then.
Yammy stark or barragan. Barragan respira was broken I don't know why tf kubo did him so dirty. Stark fought shunsui, ukitake and 2 other vizards (All are captain+ level) and let himself be killed since everyone else who was strong as him was Killed. Yammy has ability to evolve ressuercion through rage. Although it would be easy for most espada to kill him before he became to powerful
@@Kurogami-uj4nq Idk man i think your stark logic is rly bad. Stark didnt fight ukitake firstly, all ukitake did was reflect some attacks. Starks strongest attack that literally uses his soul couldnt kill the two vizards. Ichigo's weird morphed hollow form that all the vizards took turn fighting wouldve killed lisa according to her own statement and a much stronger vasto lorde ichigo couldnt kill ulq immediately even tho ulq wasn't even trying to defend from that final blast.
@@nayeonlover134 Still the point is ulquiorra might be insanely powerful but starrrk and barragan could do the same as him. In bleach you can concéntrate your power so it does the same damage but doesnt nuke everything around you. So the ulquiorra big explosion argument doesnt work. If starrk wasn't holding back he would decimate ulquiorra.
There's still no way to prove that Aizen knew about SE. All there is to use is the "Duh Aizen is omnipotent" argument. Why wouldn't Aizen rank the form if he knew about it?
Yes there is. In the manga panel ulquiorra says AIZEN HASNT SEEN HIS SE. That means aizen could still know about it. Plus the aizen knows everything argument is valid. He gave arrancars their ressuercion, so how come he wouldn't know if Ulquiorra had a second one?
@@Kurogami-uj4nq SE is an additional form that Ulquiorra unlocked later on through training (Kubo states that Grimmjow could also learn it if he trained). It's also a lot different than a regular resureccion because a resureccion reverts an arrancar to their original hollow state (more or less), while SE made Ulquiorra into something different entirely. Then there's also the fact that Ulquiorra had already become an arrancar before Aizen even found him.
All in all I don't believe Aizen should know about a form that wasn't even possible by the time he gave Arrancar powers to everybody
@@furiousdestroyah9999 aizen still knows. He's him
@@Kurogami-uj4nq ok man
Sorry bro, but with aizen knowing so much about things which she should not have acess to, I just think there is no way he wouldnt know about ulquiorra second Release.
Obviously Cien granz would be the strongest if Szayel didnt separate from Yylfordt but they didnt have a synergistic relationship like Starrk and Lilynett. Ulquiorra and Yammy were the only ones to have 2nd forms and obviously Yammy could grow stronger because of his rage but Ulquiorra had higher battle IQ. Ulquiorra actually was the one to stop VL ichigo ( who partially transformed was molly whopping all the vizards like they were bird food and was stated could kill all of them if fully transformed). Kubos symbolism with Ulquiorra went over yall head, the number 4 is synonymous with death in japan every Espada represents an aspect of death nihilism is the final stage, he's death itself. Hate em all you want hes the strongest
Keep yapping. Ulquiorra doesn't represent death. Also he didn't "stop" VL like that. Most espads could do the same thing (take off ichigo mask)
@@Kurogami-uj4nq I disagree most espada don't have the speed to blitz VL ichigo or the strength to cut through VL ichigos hierro you're gonna tell me Aaroniero is gonna be able to cut off VL ichigos mask lol
@@Kurogami-uj4nq Aizen trusted ulquiorra the most out of all espada and trusted him to bring out ichigos potential. Aizen mixing up the numbers of the espada goes hand in hand with his manipulative nature. Like humbling Barragan
@@dokim4zoc1f3r4 obviously not but all 3 espada above ulquiorra could do it
@@Kurogami-uj4nq I respect your opinion tho
Stark fan creating now a video to support their argument? What a pity🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Bro didn't watch the video🤣🤣🤣
@@Kurogami-uj4nq i already did only an idiot would critisize a content without looking it first.☝