First and foremost Congratulations To the Crusaders and their rugby cultural environment, massive respect. Secondly, as a Kiwi l say we also give massive respect to the Lions for being grand finalist two seasons in a row, a team well known for wooden spooners in the past. Rugby in the southern hemisphere is pure awesomeness.
Lions should try playing a normal fucking schedule of games during the season next time. Not their fault, but they had no rights to be in the final left alone host it.
Mate, what the fuck are you on about? they proved that they can beat kiwi teams in the semis and almost won against another with one man down in the finals. They did phenomenal and they deserved that chance.
All the flavours in the world, and you choose to be salty. In the same way that you guys are complaining that the Lions were lucky that they hardly played any kiwi teams, it can be said, just as vehemently, that the kiwi teams were lucky they didn't play the Lions. They beat the Crusaders and the Highlanders in the quarter and semi finals last year respectively and did spectacularly well against the Hurricanes in the semi-final this year. They are without doubt the most improved team in the competition. Honestly, I agree with you that the schedule should have been different. They definitely should have played more kiwi teams, but don't tell them they don't have the right to be in the final they very clearly worked hard to get to.
TheDeadlyBacon just like the british lions beat the all blacks when they had 14?? No one cares because the outcome is the same, a LOSE! History will remember winners and thats what they did
8 Titles, 12 Finals, 17 Semi's in 22 Seasons. Crusaders are the Kings of Super Rugby they're a phenomenal franchise and are deserved Champions for 2017. Roll on next year for the 23rd Crusade.
MrTimnaik 8 point difference against AB forward pack with only 3 new inexperienced Boks in the pack and one man down for 50 min. At least we're improving with small margins. Heartbreaking but Congrats to Crusaders they deserved it!
THAT LIONS TEAM OF THAT SPECIFIC YEAR (2017) were the best ever lions side, they were unbelievable. Unfortunate for that loss in the final, but look at the trash where the lions are now in the URC
That Lions era deserved a Super Rugby title, they were great to watch. I'm a born and bred Crusaders fan but I felt sick after that red card. Not the way I wanted to win it after waiting so long for another title, I was happier the next year, it was a fairer fight 😅 2017 the year of crappy red cards..
I saw all the game and so i think that was a very good final. The Crusaders are winners of this stressfull match... GG to the teams, to Ryan Crotty ( man of the match ) and to Faf De Klerk ... I don't why he was replacement but i'm sure if he was in the starting team the Crusaders would have had lot of trouble to win this game . Again GG to the Crusaders . 8 years that Christchurch wait for this victory
As a neutral brit, I realise that under the current laws it is a red card, but it does tend to ruin a game of rugby, I was really looking forward to the final but it was over as a contest from that moment on. Maybe for something that was probably unintentional we have a different sanction ,say 20 minutes for example and maybe longer bans after the match and bigger fines to make players more account able, without ruining big matches, just an idea. Obviously for deliberate violence a straight red is applicable. I don't support either team by the way. Just a rugby fan.
I know law is law but one thing that was not mentioned is that the player in the air only flipped properly once he fell onto the shoulder of his own player. I dont think he would have landed on his neck area if he went straight to ground after Kwagga's impact.
@@MarkusRSA93 So, then why hasn't his over the hill behind been on the RWC sides? Are you going to claim the "quota" as the reason, because he's not African? Give those people back their lands, and go back where you came from. It'll solve all of everyone's problems there.
@@MarkusRSA93 Kid Mack is a woman's 'pee thing', that needs a good kick in the head.. Kwagga did not intend to flip Havilli. Kwagga is a hard but fair player, and has served his country well at World 7's. All the best from Cornwall.
they should of won last week they were winning,and they should of been smart enough to hold them out for those 10 minutes,it reminds me of yester-year when the canes had the talent but couldn't win
Ai eks jammer Kwaggies, weet jy het dit nie bedoel nie. Ek volg jou al van die sevens af en jy is 'n fokken goeie speler, en ten spyte van daai rooi kaart, verdien jy die groen en goud.
Well done Crusaders for winning your eighth title! Would've been an extremely bad look for SANZAAR if the Lions had won the title given they were effectively handed first place on a plate by not having faced a single NZ side during the regular season. The conference formats are an absolute joke and have ruined a once great competition. We seriously need to hit the reset button, go back to a proper round robin format, get everyone playing each other at least once before the playoffs, then decide the playoffs by the overall table. The conferences and the insistence that conference winners gain home advantage have seen the quality of the competition nose dive and I believe forcing teams to make the playoffs on merit again after having faced each other during the regular season is the only way to resurrect this mess we are in. Continuing to use conferences in the future will only further diminish the quality of the competition and I don't want that to happen to Super Rugby.
Yes the conference system is a joke, but that is not the Lions fault. By that reasoning, you might say that the 'Canes didn't deserve to be in the semis because all of their home games were against weaker sides (except Chiefs and Saders and they lost both of those). Or better yet, go back to the last time the 'Saders won and say they didn't deserve the title because they did not have a single five week tour on the other side of the world as the SA sides had. Nope, this is professional rugby and you have to play what's in front of you. Simple as that.
The Canes did not lose their home match against the Saders. Their victory (as it turned out) meant the Saders had to play the final in South Africa. Hopefully any future format will offer a greater appearance of fairness that the current asymmetrical system. This thread contains a lot of debate about the fairness or otherwise of the red card in the final because an even contest is what everyone wants. That applies to the competition as a whole as well.
longblack shadow, SANZAAR are looking at using a 15 team conference format for next year. The Jaguares will join the South African conference to make it five teams. The Sunwolves are supposed to join the Australian conference when the ARU are finally able to jettison a side, making that five teams too. The New Zealand conference remains unchanged with their five sides. SANZAAR have been making decisions solely based on making money in the last six years and we've seen how badly that has affected the quality of the competition. Expansion has seen too many weak teams added and the use of conferences and the rigging of the playoffs to ensure a team from each conference appears in the playoffs has affected Super Rugby badly. I think the Sunwolves should be cut from the competition also. Japan has given nothing to Super Rugby and aren't part of SANZAAR. They were added because of the money Japan has, not to grow the game there like SANZAAR have claimed. Bring Super Rugby back to a maximum of 14 teams and drop the conference formats. Allow the round robin format to be reintroduced so everyone plays everyone else at least once and rank the teams for the playoffs by the overall table. They can make Super Rugby great again if they do this but we can all see that they won't have the courage to do it and they'll keep foisting the ridiculous conference formats on us because money means more to them than providing a competition that's fair and easy for everyone to understand.
In the past, the SA teams were forced to complete their Aus and NZ tour in one stint and sometimes even having to cross the Tasman more than once. In other words Aus, Aus, NZ, Aus, NZ in 5 consecutive weeks (for example). The NZ and Aus teams on the other hand, toured one country, went home and then toured the other country a few weeks later. All this changed when the Brumbies were forced to tour SA for 3 weeks and then on to NZ for one. It completely ruined their season and the conference system was introduced not long after on the pretext of giving the Aussies a much sought after local competition. I am all for a complete round robin again, especially if we can lose some of the 'passengers', but as long as it is fair.
It was like they were afraid to take responsibility... kwagga knows the rules... At that point u make ur judgement. U don't run an hope. U must at least think wat u goin to do..
Lions fan here, yes it was an accident but Smith had no reason being there without contesting for the ball. The result of not looking infront of you cost him the game. But it all was an accident yes, Wonder how the kiwi fans would react if the roles were switched? Last week Pyper was a bad ref and now suddenly he is good? make up your minds
Felt sorry for Kwagga. Looked really dangerous. Was one of those late reaction things that happened. Great work Lions. Well deserved finalists. If you had 15, would have been night night Saders.
The red card is unobjectionable even if Smith did not intend to hit his feet he should have anticipated an opponent jumping to contest the ball. Nevertheless, he ran recklessly towards him, making himself unable to prevent the clash, and that's his fault and the red is fair. Sadly, after that the game was ruined. Congrars to the Lions though, scoring those late tries and fighting til the end with 14 men.
Their were 5 other teams that were far more deserving to be in the final with the Crusaders. The Lions were hopeless. In their own back yard in stratified air a million miles above sea level, against a team that had to travel from the other side of the Milky Way and played a championship final within 5 days of landing against the supposed top side of the competition which was by way of virtue of not having to play any NZ team until way after the round robin stages. I hear a lot of excuses, but the fact is the Lions were beaten regardless how much the odds were stacked in their favour. History books wont lie like dumb biased fans.
Thank god justice was served. Lions had no rights to be in the final after the ridiculous draw they were handed, let alone being able to host the damn thing. Fingers crossed SANZAR get their shit together with the schedule going forward.
They didn't play any kiwi teams in the regular season. Had they done so they would have either missed out on the finals or needed to travel to NZ. The Lions may be hard to beat at home, but they didn't deserve that advantage against the Canes or Crusaders.
WithTheDrawn You don't know anything hey... The season prior to the season the Lions didn't face NZ before the knockouts was the season they FACED AND BEATEN NZ Competition through the round stages. You call it like they still had to prove something against NZ teams the year after that? Idiots like you have the right to remain silent... You don't know squat.
deserved the red but after watching how the red card ruined the B.I Lions vs the All blacks second test and eventually the series I think the application of the red card should be changed. IMO red card should be an automatic suspension on the players upcoming games and it should be 20 minutes with 14 men then back to 15 players after this with the player committing the red card offence not allowed back on the field for the remainder of the game. Punish the player not the team. It virtually impossible to win a game these days down a man for a whole game.
westsideAUKILANI the rules state red. If the player isn't looking at the ball, and not even attempting to go after the ball then it's a red if he hits the player and lands in a dangerous way. That's the facts . Most of the crusaders tries were with playing against 15 men anyway. But I admire the lions spirit. They played extremely well in the last 15 minutes but unfortunately we're dominated the rest of the time. Still an amazing final and lions deserved to be there.
Matthew Olls I know what you're saying. But for me, the intent wasn't there. It was accidental and ultimately cost the lions the game. I'm kiwi and common sense to me is it wasnt intentional, accidental, so yellow card. I just wanna a see an even contest no matter who is playing. Glen Jackson is my favorite referee as he calls it straight down the middle and carrys on with the game. I think being a former rugby player helps immensely with his interpretations
bro just because it wasn't intentional that doesn't mean it droppes to a yellow sorry that's not how it works. It was a 100% red. It wasn't on purpose but it could of been avoided. No matter what it was a red
I was at that match in real life kwagga 100% should not habe gotten a red card i dont think thats even a yellow card it still hurts as a lions supporter and now we will never get a chance againg of being super rugby champioms
What a shit ending. Red card? You must be joking. I am not even a Lions supporter and I could smell this from a mile away. The ref robbed everyone from a proper final, he even robbed the Crusaders from a real win.
I feel so bad for Kwagga.. Of all the young flankers around he is one of my favorites. I just watched the action again and Havili seems to leave his eyes of the ball and to brace for contact in the air, proof that he was going for the man rather than the ball knowing he will provoke a penalty. Nothing illegal here (what else should he do?), but it makes the red card decision all the more harsh. High balls are the most dangerous aspect of the game right now. Something must be done to fix this issue. Jumping to catch the ball is dangerous for the player AND the opponent
Red card all day long, it is 2017 and this is how the game is being refereed and these are the laws to which we are all playing to. In the old days it would have been a hard collision and play on but nowadays things have changed and you have to protect the player in the air and Kwagga Smith did not do so therefore he had to go. So pleased that justice was dispensed from a very biased referree.
lions lost the game because of lack of skill and stupid decisions. yes they got 2 tries and I commend them for that. but the crusaders scored 2 of their trys with 15 vs 15.
Lions was def the stronger side here. Crusaders got lucky with that red card. unfortunately for Kwagga he was in the wrong place at wrong time, we can clearly see it was not intentional - no doubt if his head was not whip lashed like that, he'd have been able to attempt to bring the kiwi player down safely, but he was knocked down cold himself, rules of the game - just a shame that the game was decided then and there.
It is the most disastrous match that I saw of my life here is pouquoi the rugby is an inequitable grotesque sport toujour the mème which gains(wins) Lyon von gained(won) the cup(cutting) when I shall be in the grave you fanatic and journalist you not be q' desperate person's band(strip)
They should make a rule that when someone gets a red card, they should put on a replacement! Plus the red card ruined the whole game! The Lions could of won! But then we got a red card which cost us the whole game!
That shouldn't have been a red card it should have been yellow or even just a penalty to be fair ? How could Smith bail out of that collision in time ? He's lucky he didn't get badly hurt pre-impact either. Thank goodness neither of them got hurt. In my day man those type of collisions weren't even considered a penalty you just got up and carried on playing. Great game by both teams. I don't believe Smith was at fault at all and he shouldn't have been sent off. I am a Crusaders fan and great that they secured the victory but it was a wee bit hollow given Smith was sent off. Could have been a Lions victory if Smith hadn't been sent off possibly ? Another great game / rugby season by both teams too. Great refereeing again by Jaco and the team too. Cheers.
yeah wrong,you need to anticipate where the player is in relation to the ball you cant just keep running and expect to look as if you are going to contest,if you played rugby surely u would understand.dangerous as hell what he did
AS aplayer its your dam responsibility To not get in the positon where you come into contact with a player in the air . He was never in a posistion to catch the ball as the red pointed out to him. Running full tilt to get there dosent put you in a posistion to make the catch but it dose put you in place where you are responsible for the jumper & must give way Like in a car on the round about . You cant pick and chose which rules to follow its not pre school
Yeah played rugby all my life. You are wrong. Havili jumping into the air at the last second couldn't be anticipated by Smith. He Smith was in just as much danger pre-impact. How could Smith bail out of being clobbered by Havili. Insufficient reaction time to bail out. Thats why Smith put his arm up to protect his face, head from being smashed.
Finals should be played best out of 3. I.e. If each team wins a half (a half is 40 min), it is 1-1, then a third half is played... Perhaps over 20 or 30 minutes... If a team wins 1st and 2nd halves, no need for a third.
Nothing like SBW's red, mate. That was a red card 10 years ago (ask Butch James if you don't believe me) but a collision like the one on Saturday would have been a penalty or at most a yellow card only a year or two ago. The red card on Saturday was the correct call under the current laws, but then the current laws are at fault. I am in no way defending the Lions player but we have now got to the stage where all a defender has to do is run forward and jump. That is not a contest and we pay to see a contest. If they cannot let players compete in the air then they must prevent players from jumping.
How is he in no position to catch the ball? It was literally right in front of him, it's not his fault the other player jumped for the ball and he didn't, should've been a yellow at most tbh, honestly what was he supposed to do. Rugby is just turning into a pussies game with all these rules now players are already milking every time for a penalty, soon it'll be exactly like football.
Woohoo well bloody done crusaders, to the refferee you reffed a beautiful and fair game no matter what the hatters say. it was easy to pull out of that reckless attempt of a tackle. 8 titles for the best team of the year. what can I say about the lions. NOTHING HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Javier Martella I totally agree, as if it wasn't bad enough that we got such a harsh card at the beginning, yet the guy wants to carry on and laugh as if they swept us easily. He's the one people should laugh at
Ruby Tuesday lol you had one good season? Stfu, let's see you get trampled the next few seasons as usual, Canes' far better than your boring shit rugby
First and foremost Congratulations To the Crusaders and their rugby cultural environment, massive respect. Secondly, as a Kiwi l say we also give massive respect to the Lions for being grand finalist two seasons in a row, a team well known for wooden spooners in the past. Rugby in the southern hemisphere is pure awesomeness.
Good game. Lions do not have to feel embarrassed. Did well with 14 men.Faf immediately made an impact.
Lions should try playing a normal fucking schedule of games during the season next time. Not their fault, but they had no rights to be in the final left alone host it.
Mate, what the fuck are you on about? they proved that they can beat kiwi teams in the semis and almost won against another with one man down in the finals. They did phenomenal and they deserved that chance.
They lost
All the flavours in the world, and you choose to be salty.
In the same way that you guys are complaining that the Lions were lucky that they hardly played any kiwi teams, it can be said, just as vehemently, that the kiwi teams were lucky they didn't play the Lions.
They beat the Crusaders and the Highlanders in the quarter and semi finals last year respectively and did spectacularly well against the Hurricanes in the semi-final this year. They are without doubt the most improved team in the competition.
Honestly, I agree with you that the schedule should have been different. They definitely should have played more kiwi teams, but don't tell them they don't have the right to be in the final they very clearly worked hard to get to.
TheDeadlyBacon just like the british lions beat the all blacks when they had 14?? No one cares because the outcome is the same, a LOSE! History will remember winners and thats what they did
Great game, both teams played some beautiful rugby there.
8 Titles, 12 Finals, 17 Semi's in 22 Seasons. Crusaders are the Kings of Super Rugby they're a phenomenal franchise and are deserved Champions for 2017. Roll on next year for the 23rd Crusade.
Great win crusaders. played well all season and now they're champions this year. thanks for hosting the game lions
New Zealand rugby. Just too bloody good.
MrTimnaik 8 point difference against AB forward pack with only 3 new inexperienced Boks in the pack and one man down for 50 min. At least we're improving with small margins. Heartbreaking but Congrats to Crusaders they deserved it!
THAT LIONS TEAM OF THAT SPECIFIC YEAR (2017) were the best ever lions side, they were unbelievable. Unfortunate for that loss in the final, but look at the trash where the lions are now in the URC
That Lions era deserved a Super Rugby title, they were great to watch. I'm a born and bred Crusaders fan but I felt sick after that red card. Not the way I wanted to win it after waiting so long for another title, I was happier the next year, it was a fairer fight 😅 2017 the year of crappy red cards..
@@wwiillll Lions were better in 2017 than in 2018
@@wwiillll Yeah, I totally agree
Once Kwagga Smith screwed up it was game set match.
Thanks crusaders. Great birthday present for me
The start of a beautiful dynasty
What a mean crowd.. hold your heads up Lions. Not a saders fan but dang you sure know how to win finals away from home. Congrats boys.. up the blues!!
I saw all the game and so i think that was a very good final. The Crusaders are winners of this stressfull match... GG to the teams, to Ryan Crotty ( man of the match ) and to Faf De Klerk ... I don't why he was replacement but i'm sure if he was in the starting team the Crusaders would have had lot of trouble to win this game . Again GG to the Crusaders . 8 years that Christchurch wait for this victory
Love you crusaders ❤️
Fantastic rugby display.
Well done to the Crusaders!!!
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is! idk well done Crusaders.
That's the 1st time I've seen a NZ super rugby team win a final overseas omg congrats red might crusaders
heads high Lions and SA rugby! you're putting in more work than AU lol
Chur to the crusaders!!!!
How the hell did the lions beat everyone else to the final??!!
The crusade has arrived
Kwaga smith isnt the brightest fella is he?
21-june-2023
Crusaders wins another super rugby final against chiefs 👏
What have you done kwagga. What have you done
I hate that guy
Good game ☺
As a neutral brit, I realise that under the current laws it is a red card, but it does tend to ruin a game of rugby, I was really looking forward to the final but it was over as a contest from that moment on. Maybe for something that was probably unintentional we have a different sanction ,say 20 minutes for example and maybe longer bans after the match and bigger fines to make players more account able, without ruining big matches, just an idea. Obviously for deliberate violence a straight red is applicable. I don't support either team by the way. Just a rugby fan.
Neil Carpenter
Hmm haven't seen any Brit making that suggestion in the Lions series...
Neil Carpenter were u that optimistic during the British lions tour?
Nice game Crusaders
Yeaahhhhhhhh!!!! #8 time champions chheeee hooooo!!!!!!
I know law is law but one thing that was not mentioned is that the player in the air only flipped properly once he fell onto the shoulder of his own player. I dont think he would have landed on his neck area if he went straight to ground after Kwagga's impact.
That red card was hard to swallow😭😭
Indeed, it was fair but very hard to swallow.
That's why, in all these years, Crock-A-S*#t hasn't been added to Boks...he's a liability!
Always has to cheat.
@@kidmack1121 You don't know SH!t! Shut the hell up
@@MarkusRSA93
So, then why hasn't his over the hill behind been on the RWC sides?
Are you going to claim the "quota" as the reason, because he's not African?
Give those people back their lands, and go back where you came from.
It'll solve all of everyone's problems there.
@@MarkusRSA93 Kid Mack is a woman's 'pee thing', that needs a good kick in the head.. Kwagga did not intend to flip Havilli. Kwagga is a hard but fair player, and has served his country well at World 7's. All the best from Cornwall.
Canterburyyyyyyy good job boys 👍
Not a worthy end to a super rugby season and real heartbreaking stuff I tell you. But the Crusaders have BMT and are a quality outfit..Congratulations
what a sad way to end the season.roll on the tri nations.
Safety first!
Sad Hurricanes didn't do it again but glad it's a kiwi team!!!!!!!!!
they should of won last week they were winning,and they should of been smart enough to hold them out for those 10 minutes,it reminds me of yester-year when the canes had the talent but couldn't win
*have
Karma ??
It's just me being a grammar nazi again. "Should have" is correct; "should of" is just writing "should've" phonetically. My OCD kicks in, sorry.
I am back from this game it was very good but the lions didn't win
Nice crusaders💪
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Good game GO CRUSADERS ⚫️🔴
Ai eks jammer Kwaggies, weet jy het dit nie bedoel nie. Ek volg jou al van die sevens af en jy is 'n fokken goeie speler, en ten spyte van daai rooi kaart, verdien jy die groen en goud.
The person who made this vid was watching this on TV you should have been there
DRAYVEN KENNEDY There wasn't enough tickets lol
DRAYVEN KENNEDY this game was sold out so fast it was rediculous, there wasn't enough tickets.
Kazae Kapri I booked online last Sunday when we won against the hurricanes
Well done Crusaders for winning your eighth title! Would've been an extremely bad look for SANZAAR if the Lions had won the title given they were effectively handed first place on a plate by not having faced a single NZ side during the regular season.
The conference formats are an absolute joke and have ruined a once great competition. We seriously need to hit the reset button, go back to a proper round robin format, get everyone playing each other at least once before the playoffs, then decide the playoffs by the overall table. The conferences and the insistence that conference winners gain home advantage have seen the quality of the competition nose dive and I believe forcing teams to make the playoffs on merit again after having faced each other during the regular season is the only way to resurrect this mess we are in. Continuing to use conferences in the future will only further diminish the quality of the competition and I don't want that to happen to Super Rugby.
Yes the conference system is a joke, but that is not the Lions fault. By that reasoning, you might say that the 'Canes didn't deserve to be in the semis because all of their home games were against weaker sides (except Chiefs and Saders and they lost both of those). Or better yet, go back to the last time the 'Saders won and say they didn't deserve the title because they did not have a single five week tour on the other side of the world as the SA sides had.
Nope, this is professional rugby and you have to play what's in front of you. Simple as that.
The Canes did not lose their home match against the Saders. Their victory (as it turned out) meant the Saders had to play the final in South Africa.
Hopefully any future format will offer a greater appearance of fairness that the current asymmetrical system.
This thread contains a lot of debate about the fairness or otherwise of the red card in the final because an even contest is what everyone wants. That applies to the competition as a whole as well.
I agree. A fair contest for all concerned. The conference system was a stupid idea from the outset.
longblack shadow, SANZAAR are looking at using a 15 team conference format for next year. The Jaguares will join the South African conference to make it five teams. The Sunwolves are supposed to join the Australian conference when the ARU are finally able to jettison a side, making that five teams too. The New Zealand conference remains unchanged with their five sides.
SANZAAR have been making decisions solely based on making money in the last six years and we've seen how badly that has affected the quality of the competition. Expansion has seen too many weak teams added and the use of conferences and the rigging of the playoffs to ensure a team from each conference appears in the playoffs has affected Super Rugby badly.
I think the Sunwolves should be cut from the competition also. Japan has given nothing to Super Rugby and aren't part of SANZAAR. They were added because of the money Japan has, not to grow the game there like SANZAAR have claimed.
Bring Super Rugby back to a maximum of 14 teams and drop the conference formats. Allow the round robin format to be reintroduced so everyone plays everyone else at least once and rank the teams for the playoffs by the overall table. They can make Super Rugby great again if they do this but we can all see that they won't have the courage to do it and they'll keep foisting the ridiculous conference formats on us because money means more to them than providing a competition that's fair and easy for everyone to understand.
In the past, the SA teams were forced to complete their Aus and NZ tour in one stint and sometimes even having to cross the Tasman more than once. In other words Aus, Aus, NZ, Aus, NZ in 5 consecutive weeks (for example). The NZ and Aus teams on the other hand, toured one country, went home and then toured the other country a few weeks later. All this changed when the Brumbies were forced to tour SA for 3 weeks and then on to NZ for one. It completely ruined their season and the conference system was introduced not long after on the pretext of giving the Aussies a much sought after local competition.
I am all for a complete round robin again, especially if we can lose some of the 'passengers', but as long as it is fair.
What do u expect lions to win never to play any nz sides in regular season??
Haha so true
# CRUSADERS 4 LIFE
Kwagga recklessness cost them the entire tournament.
Probably would have won the game if they didn't play 14 vs 15 for over half the match
Is havili an acrobat?
congrats crusaders. just too many mistakes from lions at the start
An alright match not amazing skills on display but still good to watch.
It was like they were afraid to take responsibility... kwagga knows the rules... At that point u make ur judgement. U don't run an hope. U must at least think wat u goin to do..
Johan Ackerman and Swys De Bruin must come back to the lions
As we say to the Nz Warriors! Maybe next year lol
Sheesh that red card was so similar to what happened to Barrett recently vs springboks.
Lions fan here,
yes it was an accident but Smith had no reason being there without contesting for the ball. The result of not looking infront of you cost him the game. But it all was an accident yes, Wonder how the kiwi fans would react if the roles were switched? Last week Pyper was a bad ref and now suddenly he is good? make up your minds
yes a south African ref refereeing a final with south afirca ref very good on this occasion not so good other
Rugby is just starting to become a monopoly situation
Eckardt Stander how So? Because off that Red?
b whit No, because there is just one country dominating rugby
Eckardt Stander then get better! simple don't blame NZ for having better players and coaches.
b whit i didnt say any of those things
Eckardt Stander lol hit an miss with that one.
The solution is to make it against the rules to jump for a ball, except in line-outs. The safety of the catching player is then secured.
Dit was nie sy skuld nie
Felt sorry for Kwagga. Looked really dangerous. Was one of those late reaction things that happened. Great work Lions. Well deserved finalists. If you had 15, would have been night night Saders.
The red card is unobjectionable even if Smith did not intend to hit his feet he should have anticipated an opponent jumping to contest the ball. Nevertheless, he ran recklessly towards him, making himself unable to prevent the clash, and that's his fault and the red is fair. Sadly, after that the game was ruined. Congrars to the Lions though, scoring those late tries and fighting til the end with 14 men.
Professional fault caused Smith off and lost game as result
Their were 5 other teams that were far more deserving to be in the final with the Crusaders. The Lions were hopeless. In their own back yard in stratified air a million miles above sea level, against a team that had to travel from the other side of the Milky Way and played a championship final within 5 days of landing against the supposed top side of the competition which was by way of virtue of not having to play any NZ team until way after the round robin stages.
I hear a lot of excuses, but the fact is the Lions were beaten regardless how much the odds were stacked in their favour. History books wont lie like dumb biased fans.
that is for when you dont meet nz team at grouping
gongrats crusaders from lions fan
You should be proud in 2010 Lions didn't win a single game.
Dallas Vliss and in 2012 they were relegated
*congrats
lourens Vd berg turncoat
man, as a Canes fan i was hoping you guys were going to win.
Either way we would have won with fourteen. Men
Thank god justice was served. Lions had no rights to be in the final after the ridiculous draw they were handed, let alone being able to host the damn thing. Fingers crossed SANZAR get their shit together with the schedule going forward.
they didnt play many NZ teams all season, and that could have changed their position on the SA confrence ladder..
They didn't play any kiwi teams in the regular season. Had they done so they would have either missed out on the finals or needed to travel to NZ. The Lions may be hard to beat at home, but they didn't deserve that advantage against the Canes or Crusaders.
WithTheDrawn You don't know anything hey... The season prior to the season the Lions didn't face NZ before the knockouts was the season they FACED AND BEATEN NZ Competition through the round stages. You call it like they still had to prove something against NZ teams the year after that? Idiots like you have the right to remain silent... You don't know squat.
Didnt deserv a red.. it wasnt intentional.. yellow for me. Up the crusaders;).. best super rugby team 8titles yeah boi!!!!
deserved the red but after watching how the red card ruined the B.I Lions vs the All blacks second test and eventually the series I think the application of the red card should be changed. IMO red card should be an automatic suspension on the players upcoming games and it should be 20 minutes with 14 men then back to 15 players after this with the player committing the red card offence not allowed back on the field for the remainder of the game. Punish the player not the team. It virtually impossible to win a game these days down a man for a whole game.
Here come the comments from the salty lions fans..
And for the second week in a row a finals game was decided by a controversial card by Peyper. My opinion is yellow at least.
westsideAUKILANI the rules state red. If the player isn't looking at the ball, and not even attempting to go after the ball then it's a red if he hits the player and lands in a dangerous way. That's the facts . Most of the crusaders tries were with playing against 15 men anyway. But I admire the lions spirit. They played extremely well in the last 15 minutes but unfortunately we're dominated the rest of the time. Still an amazing final and lions deserved to be there.
Matthew Olls I know what you're saying. But for me, the intent wasn't there. It was accidental and ultimately cost the lions the game. I'm kiwi and common sense to me is it wasnt intentional, accidental, so yellow card. I just wanna a see an even contest no matter who is playing.
Glen Jackson is my favorite referee as he calls it straight down the middle and carrys on with the game. I think being a former rugby player helps immensely with his interpretations
bro just because it wasn't intentional that doesn't mean it droppes to a yellow sorry that's not how it works. It was a 100% red. It wasn't on purpose but it could of been avoided. No matter what it was a red
Mudda Wilkes I understand what you're saying. I jus think intent should play a part in ending a players game and reducing a team to 14 men.
westsideAUKILANI I'm sure sonny didn't intend to use his shoulder but it happened and he got a red.
I was at that match in real life kwagga 100% should not habe gotten a red card i dont think thats even a yellow card it still hurts as a lions supporter and now we will never get a chance againg of being super rugby champioms
You had three chances.The lions made three straight finals and lost every single one
Shuuut up idiot 🤡
6:54 en-avant repris devant, c'est une pénalité contre les Crusaders . Pff ^^
კვოხა სმიტ შენ რა გითხარი... :/
Discipline
WHat a shame to the referee!!
Lions lost in front of +60 000 fans in Joburg!
What a shit ending. Red card? You must be joking. I am not even a Lions supporter and I could smell this from a mile away. The ref robbed everyone from a proper final, he even robbed the Crusaders from a real win.
lions choked!
I feel so bad for Kwagga.. Of all the young flankers around he is one of my favorites. I just watched the action again and Havili seems to leave his eyes of the ball and to brace for contact in the air, proof that he was going for the man rather than the ball knowing he will provoke a penalty. Nothing illegal here (what else should he do?), but it makes the red card decision all the more harsh.
High balls are the most dangerous aspect of the game right now. Something must be done to fix this issue. Jumping to catch the ball is dangerous for the player AND the opponent
FUCK YEEEEAAHH UP THE SADERS
SA rugby revival gone. muahahahahah
hahahahahah
Red card all day long, it is 2017 and this is how the game is being refereed and these are the laws to which we are all playing to. In the old days it would have been a hard collision and play on but nowadays things have changed and you have to protect the player in the air and Kwagga Smith did not do so therefore he had to go. So pleased that justice was dispensed from a very biased referree.
Lions made to much stupid mistakes....
lions lost the game because of lack of skill and stupid decisions. yes they got 2 tries and I commend them for that. but the crusaders scored 2 of their trys with 15 vs 15.
What a terrible place to win it. No offence
Just that the stadium is abit.. below of standards lol
James R - Crusaders too good, Lions sori your coach will be gone and wait for another 30 years to win Super Rugby.
Lions was def the stronger side here. Crusaders got lucky with that red card. unfortunately for Kwagga he was in the wrong place at wrong time, we can clearly see it was not intentional - no doubt if his head was not whip lashed like that, he'd have been able to attempt to bring the kiwi player down safely, but he was knocked down cold himself, rules of the game - just a shame that the game was decided then and there.
It is the most disastrous match that I saw of my life here is pouquoi the rugby is an inequitable grotesque sport toujour the mème which gains(wins) Lyon von gained(won) the cup(cutting) when I shall be in the grave you fanatic and journalist you not be q' desperate person's band(strip)
They should make a rule that when someone gets a red card, they should put on a replacement! Plus the red card ruined the whole game! The Lions could of won! But then we got a red card which cost us the whole game!
That shouldn't have been a red card it should have been yellow or even just a penalty to be fair ? How could Smith bail out of that collision in time ? He's lucky he didn't get badly hurt pre-impact either. Thank goodness neither of them got hurt. In my day man those type of collisions weren't even considered a penalty you just got up and carried on playing. Great game by both teams. I don't believe Smith was at fault at all and he shouldn't have been sent off. I am a Crusaders fan and great that they secured the victory but it was a wee bit hollow given Smith was sent off. Could have been a Lions victory if Smith hadn't been sent off possibly ? Another great game / rugby season by both teams too. Great refereeing again by Jaco and the team too. Cheers.
cass hendry wrong
yeah wrong,you need to anticipate where the player is in relation to the ball you cant just keep running and expect to look as if you are going to contest,if you played rugby surely u would understand.dangerous as hell what he did
AS aplayer its your dam responsibility To not get in the positon where you come into contact with a player in the air . He was never in a posistion to catch the ball as the red pointed out to him. Running full tilt to get there dosent put you in a posistion to make the catch but it dose put you in place where you are responsible for the jumper & must give way Like in a car on the round about . You cant pick and chose which rules to follow its not pre school
No yellow card all the way not red.
Yeah played rugby all my life. You are wrong. Havili jumping into the air at the last second couldn't be anticipated by Smith. He Smith was in just as much danger pre-impact. How could Smith bail out of being clobbered by Havili. Insufficient reaction time to bail out. Thats why Smith put his arm up to protect his face, head from being smashed.
Finals should be played best out of 3. I.e. If each team wins a half (a half is 40 min), it is 1-1, then a third half is played... Perhaps over 20 or 30 minutes... If a team wins 1st and 2nd halves, no need for a third.
J R um who ever is ahead after full time -80 mins is the winner of the game
Only yellow card suffisant !!!
He deserved that red card, you wouldn't of said that if that was a Crusader's player that was carded.
Rugby is a contact sport. Why do refs give reds away at the drop of a hat? Ruined a perfectly good game of rugby - Crusaders Fan
Jonathan Davidson bit like when they sent sonny off with a red just gotta suck it up now mate
would you prefer guys getting dropped on their heads instead?
silly comment bro , silly is all i can say about this commentt
Nothing like SBW's red, mate. That was a red card 10 years ago (ask Butch James if you don't believe me) but a collision like the one on Saturday would have been a penalty or at most a yellow card only a year or two ago. The red card on Saturday was the correct call under the current laws, but then the current laws are at fault. I am in no way defending the Lions player but we have now got to the stage where all a defender has to do is run forward and jump. That is not a contest and we pay to see a contest. If they cannot let players compete in the air then they must prevent players from jumping.
Jaco Peyper again is a bad referee!
The CO Podcast I bet the lions weren't saying that last week
Ripped Up1 - Jaco Peyper did really well, what are you on about?
Crusaders
The card shouldn't depend on the outcome of injury or potential injury, card should have been yellow as he had every right to catch the ball
there was no way he was catching the ball, was very similar to daly's in the autumn against argentina which was a straight red
Shouldn't be reffed on the outcome but he was nowhere near catching that ball. A red may be harsh but it was a reckless play.
Hell no you cant catch the ball when some fcukwit tackles you in the air like that
Dont matter anyway lolol
How is he in no position to catch the ball? It was literally right in front of him, it's not his fault the other player jumped for the ball and he didn't, should've been a yellow at most tbh, honestly what was he supposed to do. Rugby is just turning into a pussies game with all these rules now players are already milking every time for a penalty, soon it'll be exactly like football.
yet another game spoiled by refereeing decisions.......
Woohoo well bloody done crusaders, to the refferee you reffed a beautiful and fair game no matter what the hatters say. it was easy to pull out of that reckless attempt of a tackle. 8 titles for the best team of the year. what can I say about the lions. NOTHING HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Javier Martella I totally agree, as if it wasn't bad enough that we got such a harsh card at the beginning, yet the guy wants to carry on and laugh as if they swept us easily. He's the one people should laugh at
It's guys like this who give kiwi supporters such a rotten name.
Happy that I know the vast majority of New Zealand rugby fans aren't like this twat.
As a kiwi that attitude of yours stinks. Show some grace!
Ruby Tuesday - Is that you Steve Tew? Lol
Ruby Tuesday lol you had one good season? Stfu, let's see you get trampled the next few seasons as usual, Canes' far better than your boring shit rugby
am i the only here who dont like this sport?