WHAT IF SUI ISHIDA DESTROYED KANEKI AT THE END.
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- WHAT IF SUI ISHIDA DESTROYED KANEKI AT THE END.
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Hello, how are you? I'm finally back. I didn't manage to save anything from my dead PC but I'm working past that.
A lot of yous have been asking for *what if* videos so count this as a new video series along side my (Explained, Explored, Understanding video series) I have another new one in the works which also was highly recommended.
Thank you for your patience, I love you.
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They had it shaping up for Kaneki to die, a child w Touka-chan to carry on a part of him, the ties he made with prominent people in CCG, his uniting of the ghouls under the One Eyed King title, and him ultimately dying at the "hands" of Dragon Rize, who was the person who would have killed him in the first place had the metal beams not been dropped on her in part 1. I personally am happy he lived but I think it would have still worked great if he had died. Perfect symmetry
Screw symmetry, it was much more satisfying watching all that struggle pay off. The hollowness of it all would've also been insane, in some degree a lot of people were personally attached and rooting for him. I just think this is the correct choice for the story thematically. If in essence it was also about Kaneki finding purpose and will to live, then it also is just too damn tragic to instantly sacrifice it. Kaneki's sacrifice just seems like a "bad ending", a bit over the top in my eyes.
Honestly, Takizawa is my favorite TG character. But nobody really talks about, especially since he didn't really have the best ending (last screen time) in the manga
I wish everyone shounen mc evolved like kaneki
Then it wouldn't be a shounen anymore now would it
But then every shounen would feel the same, unless you mean evolving *as much* as Kaneki?
The closest we getting is Eren
Being good and evil are apart of being a human and a ghoul.
At least to me anyway.
Look at morality’s from a different perspective.
It should’ve ended with him dying as it would feel more real.
What if touka died?
I share his point of view, but I think that, in the end, Kaneki, both dying and living, is basically the "same" thing, I think the two ways feel just as real.
But it wouldn’t feel right, he had to go through so much, if it ended with him dying and never getting a happy ending that would have just been way too depressing even for Tokyo ghoul.
@@eddieozil21 Again, I share your point of view, but from my way of analyzing the depth of morality, the mode and the "thought" of TG, the fact that Kaneki has lived also has a great significance. And if we think, in the end the two forms represent a tragedy, the irony and the "way to finish", are simply differentiated by two of the most terrifying and incredible concepts that the human being knows: and it is life and death.
The two forms seem real to me, but everything depends on how each one feels and understands TG.
bro whats wrong with you guys! you guys should be greatfull if kaneki died ichika would not be able get the chance to meet her father and kaneki would not get the chance to see his child and many people don't want that and if sui makes the ending makes kaneki died he would be considered cold and heartless so if he dies it would be wayyyyy too depression for Tokyo ghoul cause after all kaneki has been through he needs a beautiful good ending he also made the huam and ghouls live together he did a thing no one can so he highly deserves a good ending.hope you understand that
@@primedestroyer9573 It's not a beautiful ending. Kaneki always wanted to do more, and end up not being able to, you can see that on his face when he talks with Hide.
The end show that, even if you are extremely strong, you could not be able to make what you wish to do, especially alone.
Remember Kaneki wanted people to understand each other while not killing them, and taking hits for people to understand ?
Well that's the Kaneki i would like to see at the end.
But i think Kaneki lost faith and prefered to live a normal life, even if he knows that not what he really want.
That's why Tokyo Ghoul is a tragedy. A tragedy is when the destiny of the character finish on the character death.
It's basically what happened, Kaneki, as the character we've known, died during Tokyo Ghoul.
Damn another great video. I miss the fan art during the episodes but I can understand for copyright issues but another damn good episode.
I like these animations
Glad to see your still making TG vids👍
Tokyo Ghoul: re wasn't a tragic story, but was a dark comedy one.
Meanwhile, Tokyo Ghoul is the real tragic story where Kaneki technically dies by the hands of Arima.
Sadly, there are still a lot of characters not clearly explained like Kaneki's father, I remember in one chapter that Kaneki was putting his father's bones inside something, also Amon and Akira too, we didn't know what happened to them (like hell, even Madam A has a conclusion!).
You steady havin the best looking thumbnails on all of CZcams
By far the best
10/10 as always
Good video as always dude, and I completely share your point of view, especially about good and evil and about morality in all TG. I think that in both ways, both Kaneki living and Kaneki dying at the end have a great significance, and that they are "the same but different" in the sense of morality and the history of Tokyo Ghoul, both represent the change, the evolution and "the next step", both represent things as complex as happiness, suffering and the life and death itself. Without a doubt, I think both endings are very good for the series, and with a deep and "ironic" meaning, to put it in some way.
i still believe Uta is the O.E.K. Created the clowns for rebellious reasons.
I just hope that one day someone comes along and makes a proper TG anime. Much like how they re-adapted FMA Into FMA Brotherhood.
5:18 may be that's what this line - "I don't want to hurt u, its not my nature " Of the song unravel wants to portray!
Anyways, love ur vids ❤
I loved this video. I had these same thoughts as I was rereading the manga recently and it is just fascinating to think about. It’s crazy how much we as reader can put aside for a character just because they’re the main character.
Thank you for always making my brain think harder. Thank you for always putting out great content and working so hard. ♡
Wow. Just wow. Your videos are so well done. Your voice has such an amazing clarity, and the visuals you pair alongside the commentary are amazing! And the subtle background music helps further the tone of the video. You, my friend, are a very talented creator and deserve all the best this platform can offer you. Good luck to you man.
I love these pics during the video
Another great video!👍 glad to have you back 🤞😁
Why dont you do this on other animes like promised neveland ? you make great content
Finaly,I waited for some time to watch a video on this topic.Nice video 👍
Remember that one time Uta and Yomo teamed up against Arima. If Ishida expanded upon it more, Uta would have been a lot more better.
Idk by preserving the mysterious nature of Furuta till the and still managing to give us a look into his nature has made Furuta one of the most memorable villians for me.
You have such a calming voice, that combined with you content relaxes me sooo much.
I really love the editing in this video, like the images were really nice!
Good or evil, it's all depends on perspectives and which side you looking from. Same goes for Arima and Eto i guess.
You’re videos are so calming
ty for the video didnt finish it yet but looks awesome
Love the vid
a very interesting take indeed!
can u make a video on the ideology of clowns?
Aaditya Bisaria That’d be amazing!!!
Good to have you back at it bro! This video really got me thinking about Ken and Furuta's similarities really and what would the Tokyo ghoul verse would have been like if Furuta killed Kaneki during their battle, and V destroyed the CCG/Goat alliance?
Happy V day my dude
My favorite chicken part are the wings, Uta's favorite.... Are the eyes. Great content as always Rosa.
aw now im sad about furuta... i think i was always sad about furuta tho. i never hated him, tbh i thought he was similar to kaneki. i think you've really hit the main thing about tokyo ghoul, like how grey everything is. no one is good or bad, they're just trying to do what they want and what they think they want.
I'd love to have seen this ending, so long as the ironic nature was displayed properly.
My interpretation of such an ending would go something like this: Furuta and Kaneki might both die, but their legacies would be treated similarly. There might be an epilogue scene in this version where it shows how society now considers Kaneki a villain alongside Furuta, perhaps the media would even lump the two together as conspirators. This would give us the message that "our main character actually did a lot of bad things that we couldn't see, due to our perspective".
I do not agree with it Kaneki dying would have brought nothing to the serie...
@@gianna4732 Well that's what this whole video's about, so I'm just giving my take on it.
Besides, the series wasn't really supposed to have a cliche happy ending, Ishida pretty much said it himself, that he created this ending just for the sake of ending the manga.
@@sekiganxz dude you are wrong.... Cliche so I supoused that you think that the it was all a dream or tragic just for the sake of tragedy it's better... If you think that tg just had a cliche happy ending then you haven't realize how the pace of tg goes and how rewards or punishes the desicions that the characters make
@@sekiganxz plus the story is not about black and white nor grey, the serie is about Kaneki's Journey , Ishida did not ended the serie with a tragic ending cliche cuz he said himself that did not fit well with Kaneki's Journey and how far he went and he also said that killing Kaneki wouldn't have bring anything to the story and I couldn't agree more
@@gianna4732 No, there's a clear distinction between tragedy for the sake of tragedy, which is what a lot of viewers seem to think is best, and tragedy because it actually makes sense in terms of the story. This video is literally about having Kaneki die as the logical conclusion to some of the themes the manga presented, about how Kaneki did just as much wrong as other characters like Furuta and Uta, but we couldn't see it because he's the MC. If anything, the cliche happy ending is the antithesis to that idea.
. If Furuta deserves to die, then why shouldn't Kaneki die? Perhaps you should watch this again and listen to the argument that Dres presents, since I'm following on from that.
The cliche I'm talking about is the cliche of having the story end completely happily, with Kaneki growing up with his family, all his friends surviving etc.
If you've read the interviews with Ishida, he stated that the dragon arc, and the aforementioned ending, was created after the point he gave up on the series. At that point, he just wanted to finish the series, and the ending we got was the result of that: fanservice to please us, as opposed to an ending that actually brings the themes fully circle.
Whilst I still like the ending we got, it just isn't thematically accurate.
I'm glad that you decided to make What-if videos! Can you do one for, "What if Eto had survived the fight against Furuta?" I want to know your opinion about this, would this be a good or bad thing for our characters!?
I would have much preferred in my opinion, an extremely tragic ending.
Whether Kaneki lived or died, I would have wanted although probably easily predicted. I would have wanted Touka to die or the baby to die. Whether it was touka dying then Kaneki breaking down trying to save the child inside of her or the child dying and him taking out his anger on Furuta. Just during the entire dragon arc there were no emotional scenes other than anything related to scarecrow.
That is not the messege of tg re though
@rosesinthebush ღ no, kaneki perceived his life as a tragedy the theme of tg re is the sky after the tragedy it's clear blue, wich tieds up to kaneki regecting the tragedy narrative
I'd cry...
Love ur voice.
I AM HERE
Personally I think it would have fitted to the dark theme of TG more. The happy ending was great, but the best parts of TG was the dark parts, when kaneki’s mind is being fucked and changed. His final acceptance that he’s not *the* protagonist but he’s *one* protagonist of many and then his death would work, and personally him existing beyond that made little sense to me. I understand Ishida was rushed. Thing is now, if Ishida decides to continue TG based around Ken’s daughter or something he’ll have to have Kaneki do something, and that just won’t work. This character that has had the spotlight existing behind someone different with the spotlight would be hard when making people get closer to the new character, and a death after the ending of :re would be incredibly ineffective.
And also, I felt for Furuta. I feel like it would have been better if we got to know Furuta and his story a bit more before the reveal at the end (Chapter 172 I think, i never watched :re’s anime) would have been just as powerful. The most dangerous ‘villain’ with a goal as simple as wanting to live a normal life with his love interest is, of course, simple but stands out and is beautiful. Especially since this is a world where people want to be something, to be a ‘protagonist’, whilst the big bad ‘antagonist’ just wants a normal life.
“Kaneki... Would you laugh if I told you that I just want to live a normal life...?”
I’m here too 🤘🏻
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YESYESYES THANK YOU. i love tg. i always will. but the way it ended was so incomplete and just didn't sit well with me. so many characters didn't get the closer they needed to complete their character arcs, and as much as i loved the happy ending itself, there needed to be more buildup.
Man, kaneki died so many times in re, i wouldn't gave a fuck
First
It would have been good if he killed Kaneki off at the end of part 1, but after everything that happened in :re, I don't think it would've had the same impact, because part 1 was the end of Kaneki's tragedy, so if he was gonna die at any point of the story, it would've been there.
Oh can you tell me oh can you tell me... oh how this should work?...
Read the manga and skip anime minus the music it's good unless your season 2 or 3
Also where did you get those pictures you used. May I get a link please thanks !
i hope your okay 🖤
I love you
whatd you mean by restart earlier
Also btw since tokyo ghoul ive watched one punch, death note, inuyashiki, tiny bit of parasyte, and my hero academia, should i watch seven deadly sins?
yuh
Yeeeeeeah do it,
And then read the manga if you like a dark backstory
It's definitely a good watch! Try to give the manga a try too!
D B you should watch death parade
Definitely watch sins. Recent movie was pretty good to 👍🏼
It would be a better end for the story but I think that Kaneki needed a good ending
What organization?
What about Kaneki was never ghoul at beginning and save by mobile task force squad by scp foundation
what if Rize went on a date with Furuta and not Kaneki?
_MetalGhoul_ what Tokyo Ghoul season episode 11 when seidou was never killed by noro and saved by doomguy form doom 2016
What was the point of that skull at 1:58
英語わからんww
Furuta wanted Rize? His sister? Eww...
@@machipachi3816 You mean siblings? Are you sure?
@@brianachim2670 They are not siblings, but they have the same washuu blood, which cause a family I guess.
@@user-uz3nn5rf3d I thought the wiki says they're siblings?
@@brianachim2670 which wiki? There's a lot of wiki about furuta and rize
@@brianachim2670 Well I mean furuta is a half brother of Rize, they have the same blood and kagune, thats why it counts as half siblings.
This was a good video up until the point when you said "the amount of damage Kaneki has caused is 10 times greater than Furuta and most likely Uta combined". What kind of a stupid statement is that? I don't even know what you're talking about with that? The only thing I can think of is his transformation into the Dragon, but Kaneki didn't do that on purpose, and that was part of Furuta's plan, so how could Kaneki have caused 10 times as much damage? That single statement turned this into a really stupid video overall. Also, whilst Kaneki and Furuta are similar in some ways, the main difference is that Furuta went out of his way to purposefully and willfully do evil things, whereas Kaneki very rarely acted with malicious intent. Even when he started killing Ghouls after being tortured, he purposefully targeted the more dangerous ghouls, or the "bad buds" as he referred to them. I'm sorry, but I really don't think Kaneki and Furuta are as similar as you''re trying to make out.