Jim Cornette's Watch-Along: Shawn Michaels vs. Vader at Summerslam 1996
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2020
- From Episode 148 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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On peacock, if you’re watching along with them, start at 2:21:08 when they say “start”. Diff time stamp on the network when they were watching in 2020
Thank you, you're right. The time Brian gives they're still in the middle of Vader's interview. This helps.
Imagine for a second if vader just said "fuck it" and started working like it was Hansen instead of hbk lol
This is what I was praying for the whole time I was watching.
You do realise near the end he does power moves more harshly then in the beginning but didn't go full hog,! I wish he did too!
Yes what did he have to lose? He should of just beat the brakes off his ass for REAL
stlouisflix1 HBK would’ve whooped Vader just like he did those 12 marines in Syracuse.
@@SpaceGhost92 yeaaaaah I bet. Lol one vader tater and hbk would be leaking
Jim I want 500 more of these videos. Your insight is something else.
by Friday, I got no plans for the week end.
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@Jonathan Hudgins I always hated Cornette, I have to say I have gained much respect for him. Now I can't stand shawn michaels !
@@tomr3422 ⁰
One takeaway I get from this video is that despite his intense dislike of Shawn Michaels, he is more than willing to give credit if the guy truly is talented. That's why it's easier to believe and side with ol'Corny in certain arguments.
Nobody never said Shawn Michaels couldn't work.. Dude can wrestle like hell but he was very hard to work with which cause a lot of great matches.. If Shawn wasn't an a** to people we would have some of the greatest pro wrestling matches of all time.. We was robbed of that because of his sh_tty attitude..
@@kenrickeason i definitely think you can see that in the second half of his career when he cameback when he attitude wasn’t a problem
@@JMA_21 Not arguing that.. Just thank about the matches we could have had in the 1990s if he had the 2000s attitude..
Probably but I think alot of the ways Michaels got over in the era was his attitude and cockiness. Hindsight is 20/20. I just wonder how much of Cornettes commentary is stifled by his personal dislike of Michaels.
@@kenrickeason Imagine how happy Bret would have been.
Shawn Michaels was like that kid who tried to bully you and ran to the principal when you tried to fight him.
@Reality Check He quite literally was. There is no ground to argue otherwise...
Not like, IS ! 😂
Yeah lol shoves you in front of all his friends then you haul off and knock him down and he gets pale and scared gets up and walks away then everyone starts calling him names and don't like him from that point on. Lmfao.
Exactly Shawn Michaels was placated by Vince McMahon and that's why he was so difficult
Michaels was a wuss. And wrestlers who idolize him KNOWING this are even worse
He couldn't out Hogan, Hogan. 😆
Hogan is the blueprint of politics in Pro Wrestling..
That doesn't work for me, brother
"The man they call Vader!" Translation: Vince wanted to change his name to something stupid but was talked out of it.
The mastodon wasn't stupid
@KaneMagus "The Mastodon" is actually a pretty cool nickname for Vader IMO. But it would have been pretty stupid to actually make that his ring name lol
@@juansanchez209 It would have been cool as a nickname but as his in ring name.. That would have been stupid..
yeah the Mastodon, in hindsight Leon himself even stated he probably felt he shouldn't have fought Vince so hard to keep the Vader name and just use the name, feeling Vince would have been more willing to use "one of his creations" then a name from another place...
@@Avalon64 should have been used as a Nick Name.. while still being Vader..
Cornette shares his wrestling wisdom in such a uniquely eloquent, profanity-laced recounting. He may actually be the best storyteller ever in the business.
That's what Jim cornette does best is the best
For people without the network, you can go watch the dailymotion version. Just start at the beginning when they say start.
@Inti Cheveyo The version I watched was the same.
Thanks mate.
i just googled "shawn michaels vader summerslam" and the full match came up in a video block. the time is 29;42 and it's the full uncut match that they're commenting. good quality too thankfully. and there are a lot of audio cues you can use to make sure you're in sync with them - right before the bell listen for corny to talk about merch (hbk's heart-shaped glasses and lawler's crown), then his point about how soft the lockup is after the bell. shoutout to the OP for pointing this out! it's definitely worth watching with their commentary.
Thanks!
"He's hitting me like I'm a goddam mark!"
That popped me hahaha 😂
I was in the 8th row at this show and I could hear Shawn screaming move. It was crazy!
What was the crowd thinking at that point collectively? Like were most people smart and just thinking “holy shit”? Or were people just confused
If Shawn Michaels disliked somebody he would bury them on camera, if Bret Hart had an issue with someone he would take care of it behind the scenes. Michaels sucks. Hart rules.
facts! One of the many reasons why Bret was beloved in the locker room and respected by everyone including guys like Taker and HBK (during this period) was despised.
The irony of it being Michaels who did Vince's Montreal Screwjob for him..
I don’t know about all that he had the biggest public Moment ever writing WCW in the air and spitting Vince’s face full in front of the world so no he was just as bad if not worse then Micheals! Shawn went till he could t no more Bret just bitched out period!
@@tammyforbes2101 Mmm very different circumstances. Shawn threw hissy fits all through the 90's, Bret gets screwed by his boss and flips out. Bret never was unprofessional in the ring or certainly didn't act like Shawn did
In Shawn's 2nd run he put a lot of people over and had some great matches. Most Shawn haters conveniently ignore his 2nd run for some reason.
This was my first Cornette watch along. I really enjoyed that. Very insightful and entertaining.
Go back and watch Jim cornette's watch a moon of the 1992 Royal rumble you will really enjoy it
that survivor series 96 crowd when Syd made his entrance....amazing lol.
I remember watching that match some years ago and noticed how Sid was getting cheers lol I think it could have been the beginning of attitude era cause people might have been tired of shawns boy toy gimmick. Plus this was the same PPV the rocks blue chipper self debuted in and we know die rocky die came after that
Credit where credit is due. Shawn gave Sid the best match of his career that night. Awesome PPV when you've got that and Austin vs Bret 1 on the card, and also the historic debut of Rocky.
Go back a few years to the Royal Rumble when he tossed Hogan out. The WWF crowds always seemed to want to cheer him.
Sid. Not Syd.
No disrespect to Vader, but when someone stinks unbearably (according to literally everyone), refuses to wash their gear (which is as disrespectful to your co-workers as what Michaels did) at a job you are forced to be touching them constantly the way wrestlers have to, I can't blame Michaels for having a short temper working with him. That's disgusting and would be enraging to deal with.
Plus he was constantly working much too stiff and most of the time he was out of shape. Bret said working with Vader was like wrestling a sack full of shit.
Leon lost. That was the other thing. You know, Frankenstein kicked a few villagers’ asses first to get over.
Jim putting himself over for his promo before the watch along is great 😂
Had this synched perfectly, no glitches, it was great😂
Indeed
All I can ever think is what a terrible waste Vader was in wwe he could of gone so much further. Believable monster
If they would have had him work with another big guy that could show him how to work the right way Vs someone that was just interested in themselves
@@tomr3422 vader could work just fine. The mistakes he made here were out of being completely flustered and trying to please someone who didn't want to be pleased!! Fucking Shawn michaels!!!
@@JackG79 can't lie, as a kid in 96 I liked Shawn, but seeing what a duche he was back then & how he'd go into business for himself all the time pisses me off.
@@JackG79 pfff what??? What are you talking about?? The guy injured a bunch of wrestlers! He even admit he allegedly hurt and injured wrestlers. He once cried backstage because he paralyzed his opponent (he recovered afterwards but still). He also rarely washed his wrestling gear so lots of wrestlers had problem with that. Huge respect for the Big V, love the memories, kind man and all, but to say he was a good worker is a huge overstatement.
It started in WCW with Hogan in WCW and the fight with Orndorff. Was never really the same IMO
I was at SS 96. First ppv I ever went to. I was 14. Will never forget that show. I remember being so pissed about the boiler room brawl. I was in the nose bleeds and the crew brought TVs out to ringside for the fans to watch. We had the big screens above the lights for us but for me to be there specifically to see the undertaker and then not be able to see the undertaker, I was very disappointed.
"Move ! *kick* Move ! *kick* A hole" - Shawn Michaels
I watched this with my dad growing up. As much as he used to tease me about it being fake, I can’t believe neither of us picked that up.
Mil Maska kicking Vader like that knowing full well Vader could tear him limb from limb if he wanted too.
Timestamp? Lol
At the end Mr. Perfect was "I'm outta here MacMahon I can't take this!" lol
I'll never look at 90s Shawn Michaels the same way again
Why
Love this! We need more! So entertaining! Thank you Corny and Brian!
Vince McMahon commentating during any of babyface mid 90’s HBK’s matches were borderline pornographic😂that’s why I always thought there was at least a little truth in the long standing rumors of them having a “special” relationship. It truly was disturbing hearing a man gush over a guy dancing and prancing like a chipendale dancer. I’ll leave it at that.
@bigevilworldwide1 BS, the boys in shoot interviews bring it up
Bret: "You may have barebacked your way through some kind of main events... one pay-per-view after another..." XD
@@M0gM00gle So smarks and guys who got fired and have an axe to grind.
@bigevilworldwide1 The Road Warriors are not smarks. LOD has mentioned the "special" relationship.
@bigevilworldwide1 C'Mon you would have to be on drug (like a lot of the boys) to not look twice at Stephanie in the 90's when she was a real girl vs the plastic shadow she is now
These watch alongs are GOLD. Keep them coming. You guys are on to something.
Man this match was tragic...after walking 6 miles roundtrip to the local videostore to rent the PPV before where Vader pinned Shawn and walking 6 miles again the next day cause I JUST HAD TO SEE their single match (and I was behind Vader HARD to kill HBK (who I hated) at the next PPV...the guys who ran the store were fans and we used to discuss outcomes and such...I put the tape on their counter, the guy looked at it and kind of grinned "What'd ya think?"
"That match was BULLSHIT." was all I could say...
Dear Jim Cornette
Please do HUNDREDS more of these watch-alongs. Please NEVER stop.
I just seen this while scrolling and hot damn my PS4 is updating and my phone is what im typing on so i cannot watch along the watch along as i am supposed to watch a watch along... or whatever the fuck.
I love this dude. I remember hating the fuck out of you as a kid, so props to you from a nobody in NB Canada.
To hear your insights like this, from the era I grew up watching, is i think something i have always wanted.
So thanks a shit ton. I very much enjoyed this and hope for many many more.
I could watch endless hours upon hours of Cornette walking through matches. It's so interesting hearing how it all works. Please never stop doing these!
38:00 I love Jim's impression of Vince on HBK. Absolutely hysterical.
18:51
Love these, please keep doing them!
Thoroughly enjoyed this, hopefully Jim and Bryan do more of this
Even as a fan back then. I saw this match like wtf? They made Vader look weak as hail
Gimme a hail yea
These watch-alongs are great. Please do more
Loved this. Do more watchalongs. Jim does a great job.
I would definitely be interested in more of these. This was fantastic.
This was great...I wanna hear a watchalong for Bulldog vs Bret at In Your House where Bret bled a gusher in a great match, also Corny had his awesome Santa Claus racket head cover.
Great episode, and a great analogy at the end. Cornette is a master of Professional wrestling.
Please more of these watch alongs rather then AEW reviews!!!!! This is so interactive and fun. I loved watching this in real time with Jim running through it in real time!
Or better still a couple of AEW watchalongs might be pretty entertaining.
These are fuckin' terrific! I agree please do 1000 more of these. What insight!
This was great to see the match and listen to it from this perspective, great video
whoever’s idea it was to start these Corny watchalongs... a sincere thank you is in order. it’s even more fun watching stuff he likes along with him than it is to hear him tear apart the modern product
Can you do more of these watch alongs, great viewing , great insight 👍👍
Agreed.
and do them by Friday I got no plans for the week end
Yes, he mentioned he's gonna do it regularly on the Drive-Thru
This was a fantastic, entertaining, yet simple idea. Jim Cornette in a nutshell, and i mean this in the absolute best way possible. I need more of this.
Seriously love this idea! Gives me something to do I truly enjoy within the 4 walls I have grown accustom too! Entertaining, informative, fun.. it does. It get much better... 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Would love to see a watch along for Bret vs Bulldog, IYH December 1995. Brilliant match
We need more watch alongs this was amazing lol
Thank you for the Watch Along!
He actually gives HBK a lotta love during this match, but he is also honest about Shawn being an A-Hole too lol
Well let's be honest shawn fkd his run up
@@chrisortiz8072 Not really. The ratings and house show attendance were up from the previous year.
@@GrayRedRoom yeah, up slightly from their worst year ever, with their lowest drawing champ ever...
@@johnthomas5314 I agree HBK wasn't all that, but records say Kevin Nash was the worst drawing Champ ever.
@@tomr3422 Actually the worst drawing champ was Eddie Guerrero, they did the statistics on it recently. Nash and HBK weren't setting the world on fire either, but they did draw more than some of the later guys when house show business was in the real gutter.
I was actually there at The Survivor Series for HBK vs Sid. I thoroughly enjoyed booing the shit out of Michaels lol.
I love this idea! Please continue to do this, awesome job
This was an excellent watch along! The best watch along I’ve ever seen and I learned so much, even as a jaded old school fan who thinks he knows it all. Jim - to tell you something you already know - you are a brilliant wrestling mind, not that you need or care for my opinion but man that was some awesome insight! And the fact that almost all of it was from memory, wow man. Impressive. More 90s WWF!
This is the best content. We need much more.
This particular watch along is a perfect insight into why NXT is the way it is. HBK teaches the master class. Bad habits, melo drama, and nothing looks like a struggle.
@travis ozechowski No, no I don't. Not even in my top 50.
@travis ozechowski A huge problem w/ wrestling is HBK's influence. Everyone has no character or personality, just wanna have good matches. AKA 'The Showstopper.' Everyone tries to emulate the 'Taker/HBK match from WM25. They've all got their '4 star' pocket they stay in. NXT has been always been overrated since Dusty passed away. It's unbearable now w/ this dudes fingerprints all over it. BTW, since Dusty passed, have they created anyone of interest?
@@dirtmcgirt8269 That’s ur top 50. In general Shawn will always be somewhere at the top of that list for the WWE/WWF. That’s a fact.
Love the behind the scenes intel!
The Fluorescent Couple in the matching warmups!! Yes! I’ve watched a few shows in this era and they’re always there. They always look like they just randomly came to a wrestling show from playing tennis at the country club.
Love these watch along video
This was fantastic. I can’t wait for more of these from the 90’s. Can I suggest Bret vs Yoko Wrestlemania X
This was a really cool watch along. Gives new perspective to the match. It’s interesting that in the 2000’s, Shawn did some kinda commentary on his match with Sid at SS 96, and he noted that he didn’t get Sid’s style then (which I took to mean big guys in general) the way he does now, and how in hindsight he would’ve had a completely different match with Sid today. I’d also be interested in a Cornette commentary on Something like Shawn vs Batista from On Night Stand 08 to see how it compares here.
Shawn did the long shine at the beginning the of match for 2 reasons
1. To make himself look good
2. To blow up Vader so when it was his turn to build heat he looked slow and worse compared to Shawn.
Shawn did this kind of shit with big opponents like Vader and Diesel etc, to make them look bad and himself better by comparison.
People say Hogan was one of the most selfish people in wrestling, well Shawn was not far behind him.
Shawn is way ahead of hogan and every other wrestler in terms of being a prick. Well 90s Shawn not 2000s shawn that shawn was fine.
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rubbish, the idea was the fast small guy goes for it and it lasts 5 mins before falling apart. Matches dont go from 1 thing to just 1 other thing then finish.
Takes and insane amount of talent to direct a match like that.
This was so much fun! Can we do more watch alongs!?
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Next week
Jim is one of a kind. Luv that guy. Could listen all day
I listened to this three weeks ago I watched the full match 3 days ago and it's highly entertaining to think about
Cornette please bring back this show 🙏
"How much does this guy weigh?" :D
He couldn't whip cream with an outdoor motor haha i got to remember that
It's one of my favs from jim
"outboard motor"
Shawn went to Vince and buried him anyway, looking back Vader should’ve beat the breaks off of him.
Best watch a long ive seen from anyone. He treated it like a dvd commentary
amazing , more of this watch-along series please. P.S. jim looked like bryan cranston during this match
Pretty awesome watching the match side by side with Cornette's commentary, definitely gives a new perspective. Still impressive that Vader could moonsault like he did with his size and age (41 at the time)
Please more 90s wwf watch alongs this was fantastic
I quit drinking that night, so this will always be memorable.
Yes please more of these..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The rewatch with Corny talking about it was great. I’d like to watch more big matches from the past that way.
That was genius! Loved hearing Cornette's commentary about the match. Though, now I have to go back and watch a WCW Vader match
I was there as a kid and thought it was awesome. It's weird how much more is going on than what you see.
This was very entertaining. Any more of these?!
There are more
czcams.com/video/ecBzLW5JUic/video.html
czcams.com/video/EVTkiAVEYc4/video.html
This was great please do more
I'm laughing already just for the title of the video, imagining Jim's reaction 🤣 😂
The only thing I knew about this match prior was Vader not moving for the elbow drop. Now I have a whole new perspective on this match and I think it's pretty cool. It's nice hearing about the behind the scenes to some of these matches.
The Vader vs Shawn Michaels match has been one a lot of fans were curious about. Shawn was pissed lol!
Jim and Brian I always love your podcast. I remember that ppv where Shawn yelled at Vader. What is more messed up is Vince was right there in commentary. He yelled move so loud everyone heard it. Again exposing the business which wasn't done back then.
I watched the full match on the WWE CZcams channel on my phone while listening to this on my IPad 😂👍🏻
*If you don't have WWE network, you can Google this match and it's in Dailymotion*
I guess if you over sell everything people would refer to you as great seller
Not necessarily,
Plenty of over the top sloppy sellers today, mimicking Shawn & Bret who arent consider great sellers.
@@ghostprotocol89 Bret not a grest seller? What?
@@aaronjackson9385 Didnt say that. Im saying like Elvis or MJ, How elelments of them are mimicked all the time in modern music, HBK & Bret being 2 of the GOATs, Today's GEN are stuck on attempting to mimick their entire move sets & mannerisms.. & a MAJORITY of the time, the people trying to pull it off are no where near the calibur of HBK or Bret, therefore it comes off sloppy & like kids playing 1995 WWF in their living rooms.
@ Ghost Protocol I couldn’t agree with you more.
Please keep doing these Corny.
MORE CORNETTE WATCH ALONGS . GREAT IDEA , totally entertaining
I was lucky enough to get to go to that show and the match to remember is the boiler room match with taker and mankind. Fuckin legendary!
Love the Boiler room brawl. One of my favorite 'Taker matches.
HBK seems like the worst human being. I don't buy that he " changed" watch Summerslam v Hogan.
His peers from today and from his past say otherwise. But what do they know, right!?
38:02 has what is probably Jim's best Vince impression ever.
Can you guys do a watch along for the Montreal Screwjob?
It's over, Johnny.
I can't blame the crowd for turning on HBK and cheering for Sid. If I had known about how HBK was backstage and how he buried Vader, I would have wanted to cheer for Sid too
yeah, the more I learn of how things were back then, FUCK shawn!! Vader was a beast, one of the greatest big men of all time..
The constant burial of The Clique throughout this clip is kinda funny because 3 of them were already gone and Triple H still wasn't important enough to matter. And he was a heel anyway, so he wouldn't have been working with Vader regardless.
More Cornette Watch-Alongs, please?
Sincerely, Ham & Egger fan
I sent an email about a month ago suggesting this and talked about this very match because I had been watching all of him in 96 with the cult of cornette. I take it you guys got my email.
Nothing but pure Wrestling Professorism right here. Corny is a national treasure!
Bret mentioned in his book Shawn threatening to fire Vader if he stiffed him again, and he wrote you had to be careful with the monsters in the business. They could destroy guys like Bret and Shawn anytime they wanted and were doing them a favor by letting guys like Shawn and Bret beat them.
I couldn't agree more when Jim talks about the sterile stage entrances where everyfuckinbody has to do their exact walk down the aisle and pose and do the same goddamn thing every time they come out. What are they robots? It's so infuriating when two wrestlers are in a heated feud but once they come out they have to do their signature posing. Bullshit.
I'd have understood Vader being more concerned about the Kliq's stroke when Hall and Nash were there, but by Summerslam they and Waltman had gone. Helmsley meant nothing at that point, so Michaels was making threats with zero backup.
Cleveland had a few big time PPVs. Can't win a championship around here for anything (outside of the one), but we had a bunch of PPVs and shows during segments and matches that mattered during the height of the WWF/E.