First Time Roasting With The Ikawa Pro 100
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- This is my first time roasting with the Ikawa Pro 100 coffee roaster. Friend, fellow home coffee roaster and cafe owner, Trevor Graham, with Sabbath Coffee was kind enough to lend me his Ikawa Pro 100 sample roaster. This video really has two purposes. One is to experience how the Ikawa coffee roaster roasts coffee. The other purpose is to understand how the roast profile we used in today's video will impact the cup we taste. I display the Ikawa Pro 100 roast graph during the roast as well as the coffee bean movement and color change.
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Mike, it’s an absolute delight to watch you testing out all this equipment that most of us don’t have access to! It’s all applicable to the process we go through in our own home roasting, and I learn something every time.
This roaster has home version which is 970.
I am using it now
Thanks Febo, that is what I was hoping to hear. Yea, many people ask me for roasting recipes and how to roast on their particular roaster. It isn't that easy to explain so by showing different roasting devices in action and talking about how to control temperatures over time and the roast phases, we can all learn something. I sure am.........
While i have roasted on a popcorn popper and the sweet marias popper, this is much different. I can actually plot a profile and it will roast it to a tee....... Pretty amazing. So now, it just need to figure out a profile that get's the Guatemala HueHue to taste similar to my drum roaster..... This should be interesting. I hope I can do it. I have already started working on it......
Thanks for your comment. I'm glad you find my videos helpful.
I cant wait to see you roast this coffee you are familiar with (taste) via a proper profile. I mean YOUR profile you have developed and the taste you are familiar with - and IT WORKS in this roaster - wow. Then these percentages will be so interesting - THANKS.
I've already started working on it Stew. It is a bit challenging for me because I have not spent much time air roasting and there seems to be a difference in how the coffee develops with the temperature range I am use to roasting with. I have already created a profile on the app and and testing/tasting and making changes to match my roaster results. This should be pretty interesting. Thanks for watching!
I’m roasting with a SR800 with a 12 inch extension tube,,I’m using Roastmaster software and read results on my IPad ,,,I’m still learning how to create a profile and have been trying to aim for 45% 35% and 20% development time ,,adjusting the heat 1-10 and fan speed 1-10
And maintaining my goals has been a challenge ,,I seem to keep hitting 40,40 and 20,,,or I over shoot and end up 40 50 and 10%,,(,average time is 10- 11 minutes)
No matter what I do…guess it takes practice ,,,I’ve been using a Peruvian washes coffee for my test runs of 225grams
How is the coffee tasting Ken? Also, what probe are you using and how are you connecting the probe to your ipad? The software isnt' controlling the SR800 is it? You are manually adjusting the temp and fan yourself and inputting the adjustments into the software? I know the software will log the data, but was wondering if you are logging your fan and temp data.
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My wife loves the coffee so guess I’m ahead no matter, what , it’s tasting good,,,I connect to the software via a ThermaQ blue thermometer and am using a proble I purchased from the same place I got the fancy extension tube with the wooden handle,,,the probe sits right in the middle of the roast thru a small hole in the tube,,,first crack has been around 405 degrees at 9 minutes .I need to extend my drying time.
I’m adjusting the heat and fan manually as I roast ,,,I’m zeroing in on keeping the fan at 7 and adjusting the heat setting as needed,,,another variable I have is I roast out on our deck and it’s only been 50 degrees ,,lol
I am hoping for more constant results when it warms up.( we are in Spokane Washington)
My next goal is to have the software track a previous profile that I have had Luck with,,,another steep learning curve for me,,,fortunately Roastmaster has some pretty good videos on using their software
I have learned so much from your videos,,,thanks so much
I have one of the Pro50s. One reason I bought it was to do experimental roasts. Roasting a half pound in my SR800 wasted too much coffee when I was trying something new. I did 7 roasts over 4 coffees this weekend and expect 2 to be bad, 2 to be mediocre, 2 to be good, and 1 to be great. The great one is my go to recipe for dense, naturals.
This is a tool to help me learn without getting a job as a professional roaster.
eventually i plan to try a 90-100 gram roast in the sr800, but it will be without the extension tube i think. seems to me it should work with some tweaking of the settings?
@@pdmoerma Heat shouldn't be a problem. Managing the fan could be difficult. Getting the balance between heat transfer and movement would likely be finicky. I think the lowest I've gone is 160g with an Ethiopian natural process.
John, I would be really interested to know how close your roasts taste comparing the profile used from the Pro 50 and applied to the SR800. How were you able to correlate the fan speed and temp settings from the Pro 50 to the SR800? Or are you just focusing on phase percentages? I'm assuming temps didn't match.
Also, I'm interested to hear what your exceptional Pro 50 profile looked like. Phase percentages and total roast time if possible and or any other comment.
Thanks so much for this video. And listened my advise for the ikawa roaster,
You are the best youtuber I ever seen.
This is also my concern for this roaster. For the ikawa pro version, they let user to change the profile and roast the coffee. And it gives more information.
However, can u imagine the ikawa home? They ask for 30 per month to modify the profile. I talked with their customer service. They said they ask me learn more about their roaster and each profile. For some of their profile, this is near prefect. However, I want to increase some timing. And I could not because I don’t want to pay for the monthly fee.
For me, the best coffee bean I roasted is Ethiopia shb bean for their washed dark roast long development profile.
In fact, I know the pro version is too expensive for home roaster.
May be this is good investment for you to buy the home version and show us?
This is only around 1000.
Again, thanks for your video. I am one of your fans now.
I believe someone like you will enjoy the ton of control over your favorite or created profiles on Kaffelogic Nano 7, that is also compatible with Ikawa Artisan, in addition tonits own Kaffelogic Studio software.
Just give it a look.
@@morningcoffee1 thanks for the information. just took a look. It look good, but It have some pro and con.
They seem designed only one roaster for home and professional which is good. And I believe they have more sensors than the ikawa home. The studio definitely will be the one I want.
However, they support only iMac for now. Hope they will make different version soon.
And the roaster look little messy and cannot see the beans during roasting. I hope they will add a piece of glass at the top and let ppl see the beans.
Hello Lung21, thanks for watching and your kind comment. I have not looked to see which profiles are included with the Ikawa Home. I agree it seems to be expensive to pay a monthly fee so you can modify the profile. How many profiles are available for the home unit?
I would not recommend the Ikawa Pro for any home roaster unless money was not a problem and they only want to push a button to roast their coffee. I think trying the different profiles with your roaster will help you learn how they change the way your coffee will taste. Like you said, you found a profile that is close to what you like. So that is good news. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like you have much flexibility in creating your own profile.
Unfortunately I can't afford to buy the Ikawa Home. I'm sorry about that.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab hi if you are talking all the combinations with between light roast - dark roast, low development time - high development time, washed and natural, and all the specific bean profiles. IKAWA provided around 380 profiles. Interestingly, light roast - dark roast is not just increasing the timing for the curve. They changed the curve completely. Ex. Washed light roast is for low density beans. It increases the temperature much slower than other curve.
Thanks Mike for such an interesting video. Although I will likely never get this roaster, it was really interesting to watch it work. The one question I had was on manual programing and control, but I believe you and others have answered it well in the other posts here. Thanks!
Hi Lou, thanks for your comment. I plan to show how I create a profile in the software. I hope to show that in my upcoming video. Stay tuned....
that ikawa looks like a lot of fun to use, but yes, not designed for just a hobbyist. btw, i've just acquired a beefier air roaster, the freshroast SR800 with extension tube. i'm early on the learning curve with it (4 batches so far), but it has been very enjoyable to use. it's very hands on and responsive to the controls.
I'm looking for some good feedback on that roaster Paul. I just acquired a Fresh Roast 540 with an extension tube. I'll be giving that a go after I finish with the Ikawa. I'm gonna follow Sweet Marias recommendation for my first roast to see what that does and then tweak it from there. Should be fun!
Freshroast should just make the extension tube stock with the machine. Pretty rinky-dink to sell a machine that needs immediate upgrade.
I also have a FR800. I don't have the extension tube, but after reading the comments on their website and the recommendations here I think I'm going to pick it up. Question for the FR people: how are you getting a bean temp probe in? I just dangle it from the top of the chamber and the chaff lid kinda holds it in place. I don't like it though because sometimes the probe will move where it sits in the bean mass which changes the temp reading.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab Hey Mike I don't know if you have a FR already, but you could borrow mine if you're interested. I live in southeast MI I'm guessing you do too. Let me know if you're interested.
@@mgriff2000 i don't plan on using my external probe with the fr800. i originally bought it to use with the popper from sweet marias, but didn't want to drill a hole in the housing so just dangled it, with mixed results. i find the internal readout on the FR tells me what i need to know, i.e. the approx rate of rise and avoiding flatlining the roast.
Thanks for the great video, I wish you also make a video about Kaffelogic Nano 7, its only 25% ofvthe price of the Ikawa pro, and promises full control over profiling the coffee.
Thanks for watching my video @Morning Coffee . I would love to do a video about the Nano 7 but I can't afford to buy it. This roaster (Ikawa Pro 100) was not purchased by me. I was loaned the roaster for a short period of time by a friend. sorry about that.
Very good video. I own an IKAWA Home, and although it does not have the same control as the Pro versions, when tracking properly what you are doing, you can develop your own profiles and perfect them. I have had a very good time experimenting.
Cool. Do you use the monthly fee option Lung21 was talking about? Or have you found a couple of profiles that work for you? Just wondering how you develop your own profiles with the home version? Or were you referring to the pro?
@@VirtualCoffeeLab thanks for your message. I have an android so not much benefits from the apple app that has a bit more things and the subscription.
What I do is basically have a generic profile, one of the ones that come in the app already. I roast once, do some cupping, take notes and start modifying the profile to express what I want in the coffee. Usually, it takes me 3 attempts to find a satisfactory profile. I keep track of everything in a journal, registering all the flavour notes and roast changes I make. It is very limited information you get from the app, only input temperature. But observing, smelling and registering, helps to make the best of it, i think.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab I think he is using the old version of ikawa home which allow the user to change the profile. However, the curve and control are not the same.
@@josefergil when did u get the ikawa home? In 2021 November, ikawa changed the home version to a new design. The curve is much smooth and have more profiles. This is the confusing part.
@@lung21 I got it on January.
I checked out the Ikawa Home Roaster. The cost is about $1250 which I can tolerate, but you can only use preset profiles. If you want to edit or create your own profiles it costs $35 a month I heard. That's a deal breaker for me which is unfortunate because I really like the concept behind this roaster.
Hi John, thanks for watching. Yea, I have head a lot of people say the same thing. So, is your purpose for personal home use to make coffee each week OR is the Ikawa interesting because it will follow the profile you want every time with no fuss? Just curious why the Ikawa appeals to you compared to something like the popper or fresh roast air roasters? I know they are completely different, just wondering.
I currently home roast on a SR540 which I am doing ok with. However I am a retired engineer and just like gadgets, so I was thinking that the Ikawa would be fun to play with. Being able to graphically manipulate the profile seems really appealing to my engineering psyche. I am just a gadget nerd at heart@@VirtualCoffeeLab
There are a lot of DIY videos that show people hacking say a popcorn popper and using electrical wizardry to automate, program or connect to logging software. Chicago John is a good example of that. You can see his video using a vacumn cleaner and a popcorn popper to roast coffee here czcams.com/video/F4cn7Z14BYQ/video.html
I wonder how this compares to the new Kaffelogic.
Hello Clark, Thanks for watching. I have not used the Kaffelogic yet. You might want to checkout Roast Rebels videos. Here is the one for the Kaffelogic. czcams.com/video/iL_hxE9LwaA/video.html.
Ikawa claims that using a single profile and the same beans will result in pretty much identical roasts time after time. The funny thing is that there are no such claims made for the Aillio Bullet even though it can use recipes to automate roasts. Do you know how the Ikawa can accomplish that while the Bullet can't? Perhaps Ikawa user far more sophisticated electronics? The Ikawa Home roaster is far more economical than the Bullet, but I'm not sure that their claims of repeatability are real.
Hi Bruce. The Ikawa is a sample air roaster. It roasts totally different than the Bullet. The bullet will roast a much larger capacity (up to 1 kilo) compared to the Ikawa with is a max of something like 150-200 grams. The ikawa is controlled by an app on your phone while the bullet is controlled by either the control panel on the roaster or Aillio's proprietary roasting software (roastime). These are two totally different roasters.
I understand your question about the Ikawa but it doesn't make sense. The Ikawa could roast the same profile but because the density of the coffee will be from bean to bean, the end result (roast level.) will be different. I experienced this important fact while using the LINK roaster. It is similar to the Ikawa in that it is a 150 gram sample roaster. The link uses a formula to determine a profile based on bean density and varietal. The result is a profile for THAT bean. the next coffee type will likely use a different profile.
Are you considering purchasing one of these two roasters? They are really different from each other. Do you want to roast manually or automatically? What are your requirements and How much coffee are you interested in roasting each week?
Thanks for this great video. You are the professor of coffee roasting. Your presentation and commentary are superb. My SR800 is due in soon and the Razzo 12” extension chamber is hopefully coming in June.
Thanks for watching. I will be doing some Fresh Roast videos in the near future. Should be interesting!
Nice information thanks 😘
Glad you found it helpful Ahmed. Thanks for watching!
That's a very quick yellowing phase. I wonder how effective this machine is in creating a viable roast profile to imitate on a normal drum roaster.
I’m thinking that most people who are using this roaster establish a few roast profiles that help them understand how the coffee will taste roasting different roast levels, basically trying to figure out the coffee, wether they want to buy it or how to modulate the flavor profile without burning through a bunch of coffee.
As far as yellowing goes, the roaster is capable of roasting as fast or slow as it is programmed.
Thanks!
Bill, thank you very much for the "Thanks" donation. I appreciate that! Are you an Ikawa Pro/Home owner?
@@VirtualCoffeeLab No I am not. I use an SR800 with a 12" Razzo tube that I just got. I have had SR540 for many years so I upgraded to the 800 with the Razzo 12" tube. I saw that the Ikawa Pro came out and I was checking out reviews. I want to hook up the Razzo to Artesian since it has a hole for a probe and I also have the Razzo mod for the chaff collector which also allows me to roast 284 grams. I am looking to better profile my roasts.
Gotcha. I don't have experience with the 800, only the 540. My recent video connected Artisan to the SR540 and truthfully it was difficult to control the ROR to my satisfaction. The information artisan provides about my roasting temperatures was helpful and made me realize how the fan and the power influence temperatures. There has to be a combination of adjustments and timing that will help get a half decent ROR but I have not achieved that yet. Honestly, as long as i hit my event times to achieve my desired phase percentages I get really good results in the cup. The ROR will just be icing on the cake. Hopefully I can figure this out and share my experience with everyone.
Thanks again for the "Thanks" donation Bill !
Yes, expensive for a home roaster, and quite strange phases. Seems to be baked from green- not worth 5000 dollars. You can variate the profiles and read out?
Hello Erhard. This is a commercial roaster. I choose the profile based on the professional who created it. It did use strange phase percentages compared to what I normally use. The roaster performed exactly as it was instructed. Yes, you can create custom profiles. I will be doing that in my next video.
This roaster is designed for a company to sample roast different green coffee to decide what type of profile to use in production. They might also use it test different greens they might decide to purchase. In these instances this roaster can roast a set profile on demand perfectly every time.
Interesting that the BT thermocouple is locate outside the bean mass on top. I expect that it might interrupt the bean movement if inside with the beans. Perhaps they are using an offset for the thermocouple. I also found the preheat interesting for a fluid-air roaster, but the effect seems to be a shorter DE. Too much heat too soon? What do you think?
Love your work Mike. Keep it up.
Hi Daniel, thanks for your comment. Yea, the pre-warming seemed to provide extra thermal energy to the beans immediately when they entered the chamber. It wasn't just hot air blowing on the beans, the metal and overall air temp was hot and the beans immediately began taking on the heat. I'm still trying to understand the temperature difference on the graph. The "inlet temp" which is the top line and is the air temp coming into the roasting chamber is really hot. It is interesting to see the disparity between the two temp readings throughout the entire roast. I think there is some good information there. Anyway, to address your question about too much heat too soon......... Yes, I think so. I'm already working on my own profile that will provide less upfront energy and ramp up similar to a traditional roaster. Will this work? Not sure yet but my preliminary tastings say it is much better than what was roasted here in this video. Air roasting is a different animal and some of the rules are different. I'm at the point where I'm trying to figure out what those rules are..... ;-) Stay tuned.
Thank you for making this video!
I've really been interested in this particular machine and wondering about the cost.
I'm super excited to see what you can do with it!
The Pro 100 is about 5,000 dollars. There is a home version but you can't make new profiles unless you pay a 30 dollar a month fee according to @Lung21 He has one of the home units and says it costs about 970 bucks.
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Thanks so much for the info. I wonder when these prices are from...
Last year when I went online to check them out I saw the 60gram home unit was $1400, but would have to make an inquiry for the price of the pro models.
That's bummer about the monthly fee to make your own profiles. I could understand if you were getting others' profiles.
Still, the pro model would be a great investment for those who are pro roasters who can transfer the profiles effectively to a larger machine.
I was repeating the price of the home unit that Lung21 had mentioned. He clarified that he wasn't positive about the file sharing. He thinks that home units/users may be able to share files. I would suggest you look at the Ikawa Home website to verify all of this. Sorry for any confusion.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab No problem at all. I understand.
It's something I would definitely look into with ikawa if/ when I would like to make a purchase.
They also have a home roaster that is about $1000 I think it has the same features and same looks.
Hi Eslin. Yes, the home model looks similar but you are not able to create custom profiles or share profiles unless you pay a monthly subscription fee. There may be other differences as well. See comments in this video from Lung21 who owns a Home version of the Ikawa.
Thanks for watching and for our comments ;-)
Eslin is not really the same. The major difference is the temperature sensor. Home version does not measure the bean temperature. I am sure it have more difference between this 2.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab hi let me clarify the payment part. If the user does not pay for the monthly fee, the user cannot edit the profile. However, I believe they still able to download other’s ppl profile and use it. But I did not see anyone is sharing except the official page.
I like IKAWA pro but the price is crazy and not within reach. The home version 100 is less good, you have to subscribe to a monthly subscription to be able to modify any of the profiles which completely defeats the point of a home roaster. What do you think the longevity might be on an air roaster vs drum?
Can't really know about longevity. Both the Fresh Roast and the Behmor have been out for a really long time and the manufacturers have supported the product. In my personal experience, my Behmor and Mill City are durable and will last a long time. But there are some who have purchased products like these and experience problems. These might be the exception to the rules but as mentioned before, there are warranties and parts available to keep them going for a long time. The IKAWA Pro is a commercial unit and I have not heard of people complaining about durability. The body of the roaster is super high quality and strong. Personally I wouldn't spend money on that unit because of the low capacity. There are other options. Most people are using these as sample roasters for their coffee roastery businesses to quality sample greens they are purchasing.
@@VirtualCoffeeLabThank you.
Great video Mike, it was very fast
Yes it was Shane. 1:30 for a dry and then a 7 1/7 minute browning is outside my understanding for a good roast. I'm working creating a profile that tastes similar to what I do on my drum roaster. More on that in my next video I hope.... Thanks for watching!
@@VirtualCoffeeLab no worries
They do have a home version
Yes, the Ikawa Home is about 970 bucks I think. It has some profiles you can use BUT you can't make new ones with the home unit without paying a monthly fee. Look in the comment section here for Lung21 comment. He owns one of the home units.
This feels like the "ultimate" upgraded air popper, with ability to control the RoR precisely, all hooked up to an app; chaff collection is mostly automated, and one button press to collect the beans. But it's shocking this would cost $5k.
The home version has the same ability with 970. The home version is doing prefect job on Panama geisha beans. I tried elida, lerida, adu and Esmeralda . It roast perfectly. I believe this 5k has a lot of difference which we don’t notice.
There is a lot of technology built into this roaster. The construction is solid, no real plastic to speak of anywhere on the roaster. Anodized aluminum case, high temperature glass on the top and a community library to download profiles or create new ones. I’m sure there is much more. It is a lot of money for most people and for a home roaster not practical. This is a commercial device geared towards coffee businesses who need a quick and consistent way to roast small sample batches to either setup profiles or decide to order large amounts of green coffee.
Can you hear the beans cracking with the Ikawa?
Thanks for your question. Yes, I was able to hear first crack when using the Ikawa.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab I am highly considering getting one. You said that the coffee you roasted with it was not very good? Do you think it is due to the machine?
The machine is great. It does exactly what you want it to do. It was the profile I used that wasn't very good for me.
The profiles in their library are very disappointing. Do your own profiles in the 5 to 7 minutes range and adjust them to taste. Use inlet profiles since they are more stable and predictable + you can avoid the huge heat spike in the beginning most profiles produce. I always mark first crack at the same ET temperature (204°C for my unit) and manually drop the coffee at a given development time. Consistency (color and taste) is amazing. Adjusting fan speed can distort your curves. Set it to where to coffee is moving. Apart from that I keep it out of the equation and only adjust temperature over time.
Thanks for sharing how you roast with the ikawa Max. I didn’t mess with the fan settings much so it was interesting yo hear your comments. You have the pro model right? Have you tried slightly longer total roast times?
@@VirtualCoffeeLab I have the Pro V3 since two years. There is no reason to do longer roasts on the Ikawa because you can get to yellowing (= the start of chemical reactions) pretty fast. That way you cut out the first minutes of your usual profile ending up with a shorter roast. If you stretch out the profile in the maillard phase you will get a flat tasting coffee. Longer profiles do work however when you apply very little heat in the beginning to stretch out the drying phase but keep a reasonable maillard phase like you did in your second video :)
Thanks for sharing Max. Just curious, what ranger of browning phase are you using (percentage and time) for your best results with the ikawa?
@@VirtualCoffeeLab
Around 45% or 2:30-3:15 from 168C (yellowing) to 204C (FC) for filter. 3:15 to 3:45 for classical espresso (8-9 minutes in total).
Thanks for sharing Max.
I don't understand how anyone can rate a roast machine from using just one profile, let alone an 11-minute profile that we already know will produce unexciting coffee. You could have rated one or two other profiles like the Square Mile which runs for 6:05 with an end temperature of 212˚C. Incomprehensible to me but you must have had a good reason.
Hi Cohen, thanks for your comments. You make a good point. As mentioned in my video notes, I had two purposes: one to understand how the roaster operates and the other was to see how the roast profile impacts the cup. Not sure I mention it in my video but the profile was from an award winning roaster. I guess that makes a good point that a single profile does not determine if a roasting device is good or bad. For me it was about control and simply grabbing a popular profile in the ikawa library.
Also, I did make another video where I created
Multiple profiles that used a shorter roast time. If you haven’t seen that one you can watch it here: czcams.com/video/puAdHc2MpXo/video.html
By the way, I like the ikawa a lot!
@@VirtualCoffeeLab Hi Mike, I watched with great interest your 2nd video which goes beyond my expectations. Indeed, I am studying the possibility of buying a roasting machine for my personal consumption, an equivalent of the Decent DE1 Pro coffee machine in the field of infusion.
The possibility of controlling the roasting process and acting on it dynamically together with the use and editing of profiles are the criteria that led me to the IKAWA roasting system. When I discovered this first video, I admit that I was frustrated because I expected it to help me out of the diabolical dilemma IKAWA Pro or IKAWA Home?
The ability to edit profile, measure the exhaust temperature and adjust the roast accordingly is a plus of the Pro that the Home does not provide. However the possibility of working with batches of 100 grams for a budget divided by 4 is an advantage of the Home.
This is why your 2nd video was of great help because indirectly it shows the usefulness of the dynamic use of profiles. In addition, she directs to the BLK CITY COFFEE ROASTERS video in which an IKAWA Home machine is used.
I hope you will forgive me for my impatience. Thank you and congratulations for the quality of your work. Best regards
@@cohenstephane670 No problem Cohen. I understand. I'm glad my other video was helpful. Thanks for watching.
$5000 for a modified popcorn machine
4 oz roaster for $5000 with crappy results. Who the hell is buying these things?
@@KendraAndTheLaw to be fair. This is all about the profile, this machine can make very good coffee.
I have their home version which is 970 usd.
@@lung21 agreed, that profile was not for those beans. I use the Ikawa as our sample roaster. I'm able to roast for cupping new green as well as getting a general idea of a production roast. The issue I had when starting was most of the profiles are designed for 50g, not 100g. So trying to adjust the airflow and temps to match was a little annoying. They say it will transfer between machine sizes because the power is is evenly doubled....I did not find this to be the case. *disclosure, I'm still in the "novice" category
@@music26704 I am new too. For ikawa pro, it should be good enough for any coffee roasting. It also won the world championship before. However, the 50g to 100g seems need some work to do some fine tuning.
For me, I am only an unprofessional home roaster. The software is triggering me. They don’t let me to change the timing unless I pay 30 per month.
Steve, at first glance it is a modified popcorn machine. Actually, the Ikawa Pro is much more and very impressive. I'm not going to try and justify the price. I will say that the roaster can do just about anything I want it to and the poor roast results were not because of the machine. I think I will speak to this a bit in my next video. I think I can see the value in a roaster like this if I were a business who did a lot of new coffee ordering and cupping. Once it is dialed to specific "corportate" profiles It would save time and give consistent results on the greens quality. Just my two cents....
Ror seems to be terrible here😅
Yep, the ROR (rate of rise) in this profile was flat. That most likely was a contributor to the flat boring cup it produced. See my comments here at 18:08. Lesson learned.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab thanks for honesty! Appreciate that! I’m myself a young coffee roaster, so learning on every angle I can 🙈😅
5k? F that sht.
Like i said, it isn't for the home roaster. The good news it i am using it for free and honestly I've been learning a lot.
Thanks for watching @carsiotto , what are you using to roast coffee?
@@VirtualCoffeeLab for 5k you think this is worth the investment as a pro roaster? Can you think of a better way to spend 5k as a pro roaster? Marketing? Etc. are other small roasters so bad that they’re not worth getting and so you need to drop 5k for this? I get you borrowed this too.
@@carsiotto This roaster isn't designed to be a professional roaster, rather a professional "SAMPLE" roaster. They would use this to help test coffees they might consider buying from the importer. It would also be used to build a profile that they would then somehow apply to their production roaster.
If you were a small cafe or money was tight there are probably better options depending on the budget. My Mill City 500 gram is considered a "sample roaster". The smallest batch I can roast and maintain some sort of control and consistency is about 300 grams. So another benefit of the Ikawa is you can roast 50-100 grams (a much small er batch) for sampling.
In short, the Ikawa Pro 100 audience is a little limited unless money isn't an issue and roasting very small batches is what you want.
Nonsense they make the same exact model for home. Its under 1k US dollars, all of the same features
Thank you for your comment Gnome Star. According to the Ikawa FAQ on their website, "the Pro Sample Roaster offers more control, roast data and roasting tools (such as RoR and Cropster integration), and is certified to lab standards, among others". They do say the technology of the home is based on the pro model BUT Ikawa is stating there is a difference. Some Ikawa home owners have shared here that you are not able to edit exhaust/inlet temperatures on the home unit or create custom profiles? Do you have a home unit or professional? Please share your experience. Thanks.
@@VirtualCoffeeLab Yes you're correct you have some control with the home version but not as much as the pro. Which I believe comes down to the app, of course the pro app doesn't work with the home version.