In Germany, Alternative für Deutschland call for remigration of certain elements
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- The idea of repatriating immigrants is not a new one, but a German political party is now advocating such a move as a practical possibility. It is said that the AFD is threat to democracy, but is that necessarily a bad thing?
Europe for the Europeans!
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Repatriation is cheaper than keeping them. I’m glad this topic is becoming more mainstream.
It most certainly is as regards most recent immigrants. Despite being told the UK would use a 'points based system' to only bring in productive immigrants, masses of unproductive immigrants, who are a net financial cost to this country - making indigenous people less well off - have been let in.
@@lewisblight-bp1dt50k a pop! Ruinous for us Brits
@@lewisblight-bp1dt
Otherwise known as parasites. 🤔
Charges for sedition and capital punishment is even cheaper
@@davey1602
😂😂
Just stop benefits for all the freeloading slime.😢
The already high crime rate will soar. They need to be moved on.
send them home with a free business class ticket and a year’s welfare. They are prohibited from returning. All their family can go too. Same conditions.
👽 no benefits 👽 would live better in England without by crime and life in prison.
I expect Mr H. was thinking along these lines when he came up with the black triangle.
@jonathanj.7344 I thought it was the Hindu's who came up with that. Mr H sounds like a nice man.
I would vote for a Real British Dictator!
Perhaps a new Cromwell is a good idea.
A Mosley type leader is what Britain needs.
colin Jordan as well@@humanbeing4841
Er…..has it escaped your attention that our Governments past, present and the incoming government are all dictators, who have NOT worked in the interests of the British people who voted them into power on their Manifesto’s of lies and forget Brexit all our Governments have not followed the will of the people regarding immigration, the London protests where people who are calling for an antisemitic genocide of the Jewish people are allowed to do this openly and freely, and ignore the people who complain about the government chucking our money at accommodating immigrants and the Ukraine war. Whatever we are told, we are living under an ongoing dictatorship and this is not a democracy.
The issue’s with a dictator is that once in its impossible to change, so it’s all or nothing. If the dictator pretended to the public to get in, then changes their mind it’s too late. Even if you have an Augustus type dictator with the sheer willpower to constrain their power and to generally act benign, it leads the door wide open for a Caligula as the next leader
I don’t care whether they are happier in their own countries. The fact is, _we_ will be happier when they are in their own countries.
We all know that will never happen, we are treated as second rate citizens in our own fkg country, sunaks muslim brothers come first
Deutschland for the Deutsch
A lot of Turks in Germany. Gastarbeiter, who are probably citizens by now.
Dorftrottel.
@@missasinenomine
However the Turks weren't always welcome in Germany, as they took jobs away from the German people.
A horse of a different colour.
Do you think the germans should vote for another austrian failed artist?
For European countries remigration has become a necessity to restore culture, lower taxes, lower crime, bring down housing costs and ease the strain on public services........
Colin Jordan from the BNP saw the situation and wanted to do something about it. He advocated for something similar when i was younger and i supported him all the way! He was a true patriot for Britain 🇬🇧🏴
We should adopt the Qatari attitude.
People can go and work in Qatar, but will never become a Qatari citizen. They look after their own, meaning there'll never be any confusion about who the country belongs to, the Qatari people, no one else.
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As millions of gatecrashers have no passport or ID the only place they could be returned to would be the last country they arrived from which is France. Yes a very awkward genie to get back into the bottle. One alternative is to remove access to all benifits including housing, the NHS and free legal aid. In other words if you cannot support yourself and have no ID then you don't get in in the first place. Most countries adopt this policy or something similar. Why we have to be the odd man out is beyond me.
and who ya gonnaV in to implement this?...ur last chance was the Bea eN Pea 20 yago
DNA test, language test, flight ticket.
We have to stop taking refugees , stop all immigration unless you have a job to go to. 100's of millions on their way to UK and Europe , we can't cope
We know damn well where these people come from. They're never off their wretched phones tapping away to relations back home. Reporting on their "progress".
We were quite happy to implement the c 19 passes. During the L down I was denied entry to a dingy venue without my pass. There was appetite to implement that. Surely denying access to services to illegals can be implemented too.
I have seen videos of train stations in Berlin and Stuttgart...I thought it was Syria or Iraq from looking at the passengers
I was shocked by similar videos. Quite staggering what has become of Europe.
It looks repulsive in places but then so do enclaves in England and Australia's Western Sydney.
Germany, especially in the big cities, has become a shithole.
Democracy only works in a population with shared values. The solution is to follow Poland and Hungary
Yes and muslims can take andvantage of that. They can vote for their cause while pretending to care for everyone
i think Poland can now be excluded as a candidate for this
A population do not have to cooperate with each other but must be moving in the same direction.
Plato wrote about kinship within a population for democracy to work.
==In Plato's Republic, the character of Socrates is highly critical of democracy and instead proposes, as an ideal political state, a hierarchal system of three classes: philosopher-kings or guardians who make the decisions, soldiers or "auxiliaries" who protect the society, and producers who create goods and do other ...
==In Plato's Republic, Socrates depicts democracy as nearly the worst form of rule: though superior to tyranny, it is inferior to every other political arrangement.
==Plato believed that expertise is the critical attribute of a leader; He criticizes democracy of seldom producing such characters. Rather, it elects popular spinsters who are effective in manipulating popular opinion.
==Socrates Feared Democracies Would Elect Demagogues
Just as he feared majority rule could lead to misinformed voting, he feared that those running for office themselves would lack the wisdom needed to lead and might use their elected position for personal gain rather than the common good.
==Why did Socrates dislike democracy?
Socrates felt that democracy could only work well if individuals were educated, knowledgeable, and able to think critically. In the opinion of Socrates and Plato, democracy was subject to the influence of demagogues who preyed on the emotions and prejudices of the multitude.
@@Porkypies6mi was in Warsaw last week. It's gone. The city centre was full of middle easterners and Indians.
Thats right. Once all third world people were allowed to flood europe you just cant be democratic. They come from non democratic countries so they are like the cat that got the cream. Where are the intelligent ruling classes? Thatcher the last one
They arrested a woman representing the party for highlighting afghan crimes, kek
They are doing the same in sweden.
She was arrested for exposing their policies lack of legitimacy
Imagine being found guilty & penalised for the horrific crime of REPEATING GOVERNMENT STATISTICS 🤯 I had to read the article twice, just to make sure I hadn’t put too much whiskey in my water!
Democracy in itself is weak when dealing with Islamic cultures
Yes, this is very true. Islam only understands one thing; FORCE. Therefore force should be returned in kind and unfortunately democracy cannot provide that. Britain needs hard-right authoritarian leadership for about 3 elections cycles at minimum to fix this mess
Tolerance and apathy is the worst 'virtues' of being English .
tolerance is understood to be WEAKNESS
The whole of Europe needs to implement Remigration not just Germany
aint gonna be easy to do that to theM of miltree ayj men
UK's population will be 100 million before you know it , quality of life for the majority will be horrendous.
Noone knows the current population certainly a lot higher than two years ago@@LukeSkywalker522
If I understand him correctly, Simon thinks it's a bad idea.
@@LukeSkywalker522we won't be the majority at that point
When I was in the National Front we called it repatriation. I can’t see why we shouldn’t do this now!
Deportation and repatriation is not politically correct anymore and so its now the politically correct re-migration.
Colin Jordan wanted the same thing from the BNP. If only we had more support for these parties
I don't fall for this political correctness nonsense and I will always say deportation and repatriation and you can do this now, repatriation and deportation and immigrants.
Europe needs to reset the clock before it gets very , very nasty .
@@hneek249x We can look to the past.
Good morning, Simon. Democracy or not, the "government" do as they please anyway.
This is true!
D is just a pseudonym for the predatory finance of Sigh munz bud ease
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb To quote the sitcom Yes Minister, "It's the law of inverse relevance - the less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it."
@@Porkypies6m Eskimos ?
This is why I keep repeating that voting makes no difference because we get what our politicians want and not what we want.
Remigration must happen.
Send them packing.
Stop all immigration unless you have a job , we're full
Won't be happening.
Anyone remember the BNP under Colin Jordan i believe? Correct me if I'm wrong but i believe he was advocating for something similar in the 90s
@@englishpatriot9464 deny brits the right to decide the future they want for their children and granchildren in their own country via a referendum on immigration and remigration and alternatives will be sought and they will not be pretty
The current parliament is not working for this country. Its clear to the people of this country who are not represented. A hung parliament continuously doing nothing.
Colin Jordan would have saved Britain if the BNP were elected
To quote the sitcom Yes Minister, "It's the law of inverse relevance - the less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it."
I agree. It's all hot air up to the election, and then silence.
So that's where Sunak gets all his ideas from...
@@valeriegrimshaw1365- ideas ! .. he's never had an idea in his life...he just reads what's in front of him.
I am still voting Reform. The best of the bunch.
The best of a bad bunch.
Same. I'm not particularly convinced, but better them than no vote. I was pretty dismayed when people were saying they wouldn't vote for them because Tice agreed with covid masks etc - which I consider very small potatoes, especially in London - where that mindset allowed Khan in, yet again. I'm happy to vote for the least worse.
Democracy? There is nothing great about it. Nothing at all.
But perhaps we are asking the wrong question here.
Do we actually have democracy?
u cant call a 2partee system a D
the others small options are just there to make people believe they have achoyss
Well, you can post this comment without fear of repercussions. And if you want to form a political party and stand for election, you're free to do that. How are we doing so far?
No we don't. When one man's ignorance is given equal weight to another man's ignorance democracy fails. When people are actively encouraged to vote according to alternative facts, democracy has failed
Indeed
@@david1964. You really aren't. There is a top down system that makes it practically impossible to achieve any level of success. It starts with the likes of the BBC claiming that you are a far right party (regardless of your political philosophy). If that doesn't work, you will literally be cancelled. If the media doesn't talk about you, do you exist?
The reason our current parliamentary oligarchy doesn’t work is because the king is a mere figurehead. Back in the day, the monarch would select his prime minister based on the interests of the country.
It doesn’t help that MPs have become salaried professional politicians. Eliminate MP salaries and move sessions back to the evening.
Finally, civil servants have too much job security.
There…problems sorted.✔️
theK is in on the whole thing
No .. back in the day, the Monarch would tend to choose a Prime Minister who would serve the Interests of the Monarchy and it's Train.
AFE
@@thomasmusso1147 I was thinking of Queen Victoria in the first instance. Who did you have in mind?
The Bolsheviks are the enemy, modern day Marxists, they got rid of monarchy, next on their list democracy and freedom.
In the UK, the Conservative Party have Remigration policies in its previous manifesto, just like the Conservatives in Germany. The difference is, the AfD would actually do it.
no...i am sure G is signed up to the EU human rights act as are we even though we could ignore it since we are not part of the EU...which will soon change
Bring back conscription and they will all bugger off pronto.
Here in Greece, a lot of the older generation would like to see the Junta back.
Our parliamentary system is not fit for purpose. The bulk of the people elected are more interested in having MP after their name than actually understanding complex issues and representing their concerns and needs of their constituents.
the only answer is a bee never lent dick tay torr who loves in countree and people who is uncorruptable......bit like that dude who liked to pay nnnt
Claiming expenses, sniffing charlie and groping young people, male and female, who have the misfortune to work in offices with them.
In the past three years I have seen one MP with integrity and a conscience- Andrew Bridgen- and his party kicked him out. Most of them have not got a clue what fairness and decency is.
Leave the ECHR, rewrite or revert to what we had in place before ECHR.
This would be a good start
Tony Blair has a lot to answer for.
@@basedscotsman8142what does it have to do with him? Odd comment. You do realise we signed up to the ECHR in 1951, don't you? Was he even born then?
EHCR is the legacy of Churchill. Freedoms you take for granted will be trashed by the spivs in our governments
@@basedscotsman8142 and yet he still lives and his family thrives.
We don't need the EHCR because all these international laws are based upon English Common Law, we already had the rights, it was an upgrade for others not us.
They treat their home country's as holiday destinations. Most would love to have a permanent holiday.
They want their country, but our money and benefits.
My wife wanted our children to eat bread, and to give the matter an appearance of genuine choice, she allowed them to make the exciting pick between white bread or brown, although in terms of nutrition there was nothing to choose between them. It's much the same in British politics, where the elite class allows us to choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
Sums up the matter neatly!
Yeah, well commercially produced brown bread's no better. Dyed with caramel for the colour and a very slight nutritional advantage due to addition of bran.@AustrianPainters_TopGuy
Indeed
white bread, nowt farted round wit
@@guser7137 CZcams removed my comment about factory brown bread not being nutritious either 😅
The Left loved the term "elected dictatorship" when describing Thatcher's Government. All governments are essentially the same, we vote hoping they serve us by drawing on expertise to deliver. Instead we risk trashing our economy to combat climate change and import millions to grow our economy. Our economy isn't growing and becoming carbon neutral isn't going to happen.
What are you talking about Simon? Countries creating circumstances that cause foreigners to move out in large numbers happens all the time. This includes countries that can defined as "liberal democratic". In most cases without force being applied.
This has happened across pretty well all countries of the former Soviet Union, former communist eastern Europe, Yugoslavia, Dominica in the Caribbean, and in countries as disparate as Israel and Fiji.
What's the magic formula in most cases? The country in question simply decides it will prioritise its own culture and refuses to formalise a response the requirements and demands of incomers. It's the "like it or leave" approach. And take your language, religion, high crime rate, jarring customs, whatever it is, with you.
the old fraud is making a little sense today but it must get painful straddling that fence.
With regard to the UK, it's worth seeking out David Starkey's recent uploads, the two most recent outlining Tony Blair's consitutional revolution, and why this must be reversed. It is because of this that the Conservative governments since have been so useless, as it has now become impossible - especially for a centre-right party - to govern effectively through Parliament.
I feel the Cameron-type Conservatives simply managed what Blair put in place, rather than understanding what it was and why it was primarily detrimental. They appeared to have no vision for the country, other than them serving in high office for a time.
How strange the Conservatives did not attempt to reverse the changes during 14 years of Rule. Proof of UniParty?
Democracy is too easily undermined by outside influences and inside subversives . Also it relies , to work properly , on an interested swiched on voter population that has no loyalty to any party but judges each on past performance , doing what they said they would . The British working man's way of voting Labour because his father , and his father before him did just does not cut it today , things have changed . A strong nationalist leader is now needed , the present mob of disparate activists and university subversive thrown out and replaced with a handfull of people whose loyalty to the nation is without doubt. The Bankers will not like it but that is a bridge that must be crossed .
Bellcurve Iqs is why it doesnt work.. you want an oligarchy of outlier high IQ autists commited to the good of the ethno group. The only ones capable of doing what needs to be done.
The government are only half the problem. It's those in the civil service (the deep state in US context), including the BBC that are the biggest hurdle to fixing the mess. Then there all the NGOs, quangos, corporations that are all on the gravy train.
There is an inevitability in all this and things are not going to end well.
Churchill said that democracy was the worst way to run a government, apart from all those other methods which have been tried from time to time. He knew the limitations. Is the problem we face today not do much with democracy itself as with (1) the party machines, which now have so much control over candidate selection, something that perhaps began with Labour's women only shortlists. A while back it was suggested in the Telegraph that a young Margaret Thatcher would not even be selected as a candidate by today's Tory Party, on the basis of her personal beliefs. Reason number (2) is the apathy of the voters, as demonstrated by the low turnouts in the local elections, particularly in London where just 18% could be bothered.
Drunk banker stooge who started anpther euro war to prop up usury and communism.. criticism doesnt equate to combatting something. 🙄
I would also add: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter", source unknown, but often incorrectly attributed to Churchill.
The Kalergi Plan
"Getting dropkicked out of our Country".
Democracy is certainly failing here. I favour reforming it rather than replacing it.
I like the sound of Switzerland's version.
Our system of leaving it up to the electorate to judge an incumbent governments efficacy every five years does not work.After five years of totally failing to carry out a promise, the damage is done. Mass immigration is a prime example.
Possibly someone to monitor a government continually and bring them to book immediately, involving the law if they fail to carry out promises. That could be a job for the sovereign.
Be more useful than opening new buildings.
I like the idea of direct democracy.
Cut off govt benefits and maybe a free ticket elsewhere.
No Simon they wouldn't be happier if they returned to their own countries but we definitely would be
Denmark has a high voter turnout, about 90%, and 12 Parties, with a coalition government which apparently, works for the benefit of its people.
Too fragmented, resulting in nothing getting done. Denmark has its own muslim enclaves and with the left being in the government, these invaders won't be dealt with and expelled..
For Aristotle, democracy is possible only within homogeneous ethnic groups, while despots have always reigned over highly fragmented societies. A multi-ethnic society is thus necessarily anti-democratic and chaotic, for it lacks philia, this profound, flesh-and-blood fraternity of citizens.
top comment mate
"a nation can survive an enemy,outside its gates , but not fromTraitorswithin its walls" ......MarcusTilliusCicero
This. Multiple cultures mean multiple perspectives and allegiances. The globalist regime and establishment can utilise these divisions to divide and conquer a majority population until the time comes when the incomers and their indigenous collaborators become the majority. Aristotle also rightly remarked that apathy and tolerance are the last characteristics of a dying civilisation.
Oh, Aristotle said that? Amazing. Can you cite the work? Thanks. I'd really love to check out Aristotle's thoughts on ethnicity.
@@david1964. No one is stopping you...
@@user-cd6dg2vs2q One thing is stopping me - Aristotle never wrote about this. You are a more on.
Interesting in Russia you get to vote for Putin in China its Xi Xi Ping...In Britain its tweedle dee or tweedle dum with exactly the same civil Service
New arrivals are flying in without passports!
Well, People were not allowed in, at Airports on Tuesday night when the screening System broke down. And they HAD Passports.....
People need to vote for independents.
@jobo Be careful , you might find that goodly number of ''independents '' are left wing activists financed by a certain international money man . When voted in they will no longer be ''independent '' but working together .
I agree. But not independents that used to be from any of the main parties. We need fresh, out-side-of the-box thinking. I can't see any candidates in my area that fit the bill
@@HitchcockTheSnail maybe you're the candidate
Essential if Europeans are to survive. Certain elements (well, it’s just one really) will not coexist with us.
If AFD were able to achieve this, we all know which way the immigrants would head before they were rounded up. We'd better have a plan........
Voluntary repatriation for a start .
They'd have to be paid. It would become a racket.
No chance, no country in the world is as soft as the UK.
All you would have to do is cut all benefits and free medical care to all non natives. And increase taxation on non natives as well. About 70% of them would voluntarily leave within a year.
Our weather in Northern Britain, is too cold for Nigerian's. I tell them Ireland is much hotter.
The heat never stopped the British from colonising half the world ,I'm sure they'll adapt , perhaps with a little faith
@@HaleyChain-vw8rr
Because it was financial colonisation, the merchants run Africa with 50 civili servants and 10 push bikes.
How stupid, one of the two main parties will be back to govern, why do people keep voting for them.
because there is no party that offers any alternative
Partly mass-conditioning to believe that voting can change things, partly fear of participating in alternative political movements which might actually change things but have now been made unlawful by the regime.
@@Clive697 aschcompliancexperiments
The system has been corrupted to its core voting will achieve FA
They vote for one, to keep the other one out. That's our "democracy" for you.
This requires a ten year block on inward migration and the repatriation of 1,200 people a day for a decade .
I'd vote for that.
Never going to happen. The country's coffers are precariously balanced and utilise the taxes of immigrants, however measly, to prop up our system. Why on earth we don't demand full auditing of our country's accounting is beyond me but, I'm guessing, a) the job will be far too tiresome for those paid to do it and b) it would show just how much is wasted by said people we pay to do it. Our govt actors aren't going to show us their level of ineptitude and they know they rely on immigrant taxes to keep their show on the road. Would yearly audits show that immigrants bring in less than they take out when assessed as a whole? Potentially, but I'm guessing it's show the level of incompetence in State spending on councillors' coffees and MP's abandoned vanity projects. We, the taxpayers, need full transparency in how our taxes are spent. Or, as an alternative, simply tax the 1% of earners a little more. Why on earth the mid wits in this country find taxing the uber wealthy a problem is beyond rationality. For example, changing capital gains to be taxed at the same rate as income tax for the very highest 'earners' might raise £12bn of extra tax a year. This isn't money they've earned through hard graft, this inherited wealth to such an extent that they're making a passive income per year of millions. That's a lot of dosh per year to spend on infrastructure. To put that into perspective, why shouldn't Sunak pay £1.8m on the money he 'earns' passively from his investment portfolio rather than the £808k he's paying currently? He makes something like £14m on passive income per year (that's not including his billionaire wife's finances). I honestly cannot understand why Joe Public are so adverse about the 1% paying a little more. The argument that our top earners would leave is fear mongering paid for ads by said 1%. Who was it that left for Singapore but then came back due to missing our culture. Was it Dyson or Ratcliffe, maybe? Would it really be so bad of the Sunak's used their Greencards and left? The wife has only very recently changed her non-dom status after being forced to. How many years has she not paid into this country? She's made a steal whilst here. Sure, get het-up about boat people but look at the 250k per year Modi deal Sunak has made and don't forget that Modi refused to disallow their dependants. Yes, immigration is a problem but the mismanagement of our country's finances may be the biggest culprit. No, govt under any party will do anything to rectify this because why would they, no one will upturn the trough that feeds them.
Germans are known to be very efficient with their train timetables... wink, wink, nudge, nudge
strange how they could only find the outbound ones and not the ongoing or returns
A lot of luggage gets lost though...and shoes! 😉
@@Mr_Jou_BagelsHa they lose "SHOES" 😂
If we carry on doing what we are doing, we will carry on getting what we are getting. Maybe Germany are fed up with what they are getting. I know I am
lone wolves dont get fed up they get even but remember the motto stay silent to stay safe.
Good morning Simon! How on earth do you fit in so many hours into your day?
speed, crack and maybe a pint of bitter after lunch....
@@user_unknown1488 Hello again
Old people have way too much time on their hands!
@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb 😄
hes well paid by his frennnz
We need Revolution and Reconquista. We need to work with the other European International Nationalists to preserve our lovely Western culture and lands, preserve the beautiful diversity, and create a Fortress Europe.
The two parties dont represent the peoples voice regards migration. So the cherished democracy has dissapeared already.
lets call it "positive emigration" like "positive racism" it can be used to exclusively repatriate browns
l will vote for Reform because they have been the one party that has put the people first for Britain and they have explained what they will do if they are elected. Labour and Con have both less us down SO badly they do not need to be in the running. I want Reform and I will vote for Reform.
they are just another bunch of windbags and mainly ex tory windbags,how many times do you want to be made a fool of?.
windbags,i wont elaberate because i just get deleted.
Years ago I read the repatriation act, which seems to have disappeared. It said that anyone wishing to return to their country of origin could apply and be given £5,000 to resettle. 1973 sticks in my mind as the year the act was passed
That sounds like a racket. Round and round the tax payers go SMH
A temporary suspension of democracy ! ? Compared to what's happening to us and where we are heading seems to me a meer trifling.
A better option would be direct democracy where we use referendums to determine policies on issues such as immigration with a civil service paid by result. We can't keep relying on 650 MP's to govern us against our will.
A large portion of remigration would not require draconian measures but could be peacefully implemented with proper economic and social incentives as well as agreements with migrants home countries.
I have many friends in Germany and the AFD are basically a strong Conservative party, because like ours, theirs has also lost its way. So they are stepping into that gap. They are not neo nazis, but like this country an alternative is desperately needed!
also fond of Russian money
@@GreggFellows So the German media say. We’re still waiting for the proof.
@@cloudybeforerain7134 you are naive if you think Russia has no hand in this
With a proper government in place, it wouldn't take more than, say, five years to put the country back on an even keel.
Extreme problems require extreme solutions.
Hi Simon. I often scroll and look for any of your videos I haven't watched. I noticed this one because of the title. Apparently I have watched the full video. This is shown by a red line which is proportional to how much of the video has been viewed. I hadn't even clicked on it, yet alone viewed it. Very strange. A very insightful post Simon.👍
They did not come here at gunpoint suggesting they would only leave in that fashion is not the case
I will tell you exactly why this is happening.
The indigenous population spends all day telling each other that voting makes no difference whilst the non indigenous population is voting as a block.
And the establishment knows that.
More people didn't bother to vote than voted for Yousaf.
More people didn't bother to vote than voted for Khan.
More people didn't bother to vote than voted for Galloway.
More people didn't bother to vote than voted for the Tories at the last general election.
Do you see a pattern?
Think about it after the next election when you spend the following 5 years crying in your beer.
More people don't bother to vote than vote for any single party...
Just let that sink in..
The "clever people" will tell you that voting makes no difference
Are you feeling clever yet?
Vote for anyone but the main parties, if no other party is standing spoil your ballot paper.
Not voting is not a protest, all that achieves is to help these useless politicians stay in power with minimal votes.
Labour/Tories makes no difference which one wins, the real power lies with the civil service which never changes.
None of the main parties will put them back in their box.
Liz truss said she wanted to sort out the civil service and she didn't last long.
Sunak had already destroyed the economy so don't listen to all the bullshit coming from the establishment.
They are all a waste of space, but why help them to sit in their seats for years on end taking the money?
Vote for anyone else and take away their cushy jobs.
Not voting is just rewarding them.
Cue the trolls 🤪
Good comment.
In many ways Democracy has already been suspended or at the very least extremely constrained, so that we do live in societies that care very little for any views of their citizens, but rather govern through various stakeholders.
How will migration eventually be controlled? Well when Europe reaches a tipping point ( and it will because unlimited migration is ultimately unsustainable) a crisis will occur and electronic borders will be suggested which will entail a social credit system. Any illegal movement will automatically decimate the person’s social credit making illegal movement very difficult. These ideas are already in the pipeline and we can almost guarantee will happen
Time we had a party here called alternative for England!! I'd vote for it!!
Sometimes *Democracy* can appear to be a *blind mans bluff* ...
As long as a 'national debt' exists, there will be no change
Exactly that, 🎯, all Western Nations are in the Hole for the same Reason.
My complaint always is our highly unethical economic system, which can only thrive on corruption, inequality, poverty, and exploitation of the poor; a economic system that needs a constant flow of unskilled immigrants to exploit. Another argument against this highly unethical economic system is that under it we are perpetually in escalating national debt which will never be paid off, culminating in the collapse of the countries that share the same economic system as ours.
People such as Mr. Webb and Granniopteryx are deemed as class traitors because they have strong but thought out reasonable opinions that are pretty much diametrically opposed to the anointed class the great and the good or in the real world arrogant and conceited.
The criticism of the first-past-the-post system is spot on. Not too long ago, the Lib Dems had a chance at forcing electoral reform and proportional representation, but they couldn't resist the temptation of sitting on the front benches and sold their principles for a coalition with the Tories, thereby making themselves irrelevant.
Lets be Honest , these elements should not have been allowed entry into Germany , Europe , nor any other Westernised Nation .
You're wrong. These people do not have the right to be here, period. They've been granted a privilege to stay, and now they can be asked to leave. Failing that, enforcement of our laws isn't at the expense of others' rights; it's done not at their expense, but because of ours. The enforcement of our laws on aliens isn't an attack on anyone's rights. It's our government's duty to look after our rights and interests, and not prioritising ours over any and all foreigners is tantamount to treason. It's strange that your assumption of enforcing our laws on one hand is the same as reneging on them with the other.
In reality we dont have real democracy in the UK, we have oligarchy, rule by an elite minority. When our main right wing party drifts so far to the left that it almost indistingishable from our main left wing party, we are in a dangerous situation that could lead to serious civil unrest.
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If you were more intelligent than a fart you would know that the Tories have never drifted to the centre let alone to the left:
1) What is so Left-Wing about the Tories protecting our highly unethical economic system which perpetuates inequality, debt, and poverty?
2) What is so Left-Wing about introducing a fake living wage that is a pittance?
3) What is so Left-Wing about our relationship with America?
4) What is so Left-Wing about the British Establishment blindly pledging allegiance to 🇮🇱?
5) What is so Left-Wing about successive British governments funding and encouraging 🇮🇱 to oppress 🇵🇸?
6) What is so Left-Wing about foreign policies of Tories regarding Palestinians?
7) What is so Left-Wing about Tories never apologising about Britain's highly unethical actions in foreign countries?
ALL of the above apply to every Tory government we've had for centuries, therefore they have always remained on the Right.
When I studied politics at A-level, there was the idea of radical democracy, which meant that democracy wasn't absolute and could be improved upon by such means as devolution, extending the vote and greater representation. It's obvious that devolution has led to less accountability, extending the vote is probably what's led to Labour and the Conservatives fighting over an incoherent and sometimes self-contradictory centre ground, and greater representation through party lists has led to a poorer calibre of decision-maker and bad outcomes. Finally, the fallacy of radical democracy or constitutional reform for the sake of improving democracy has led to the proliferation of career politicians - party fanatics no more useful than bureaucrats but just as expensive.
It makes no difference which type of democracy we have. The system used in Ireland was of the proportional representation type, ended up in the same mess lately. No democracy or any system can be other than corrupt when the politicians are all corrupted, bought and paid for before they ever see power. All by the same dark power.
Some interesting points Simon.
Also some dubious ones.
However, you don't address the question of why our particular democracy is such a failure.
To cut a long story short, it is a cultural problem. Democracy requires a properly educated, fully informed, mentally determined population in order to function.
We don't have these. We also have Political Parties that operate in such a way that no decent open- minded person would even consider joining them.
Not sure what to call what we have.
A Mediocracy? A Kleptocracy?
A Conformocracy? An Oxbridgocracy?
Whatever the name we have governments that unquestionably accept the legitimacy of the UN, IMF, WTO, WORLD BANK , NATO, etc.
All of which are both non-democratic and anti-democratic.
"Democracy requires a properly educated, fully informed, mentally determined population in order to function"... Meanwhile, Starmer in true h youth/Pol Pot style, wants 16 year olds to get the vote: "Get 'em young and malleable, and oh-so-certain".
Kakistocracy
From my understanding, Germany allows a lot of foreign workers to reside there. They do not allow them, their family to include their German born children, citizenship. These foreign workers are expected to return to their native land.
the key word here is expected
Expected, but it never happens, of course, who would want to go back to relative poverty in Turkey. And as Erdogan openly and outrageously told a mass rally of his countrymen, in Germany, ‘we need you here,’ amounted to sedition…
I think you're right about our making a fetish of democracy, but of course the danger is that espousing any different system might be irreversible.
Given that politicians and the Establishment havent listened to us for decades maybe we should actually try giving democracy a proper try
The alternative is Shria law
islam is dying, especially the shia branch this was proven recently as no muslim country want to irans aid as its proxies invaded israel and got their usual bloody nose for doing so.
moderate and more civilised muslim countries all want peace with israel as none of them want their capital cities to look like the gaza strip.islam is dying.
Bollocks to democracy, let's do it.
How do you propose to do it?
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHOhow did Pakistan do it with the afghan 'refugees'?
@@smeghead7698 What happened in Pakistan happened because it was the government that took action to oust the Afghan refugees; whereas the person whose comment I replied to is proposing ordinary citizens take matters into their own hands, so I asked how he proposes to achieve his aim.
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO we tried it democratically, we're told that the 'faarr rriigght' voted for brexit to close the borders, we'll, the faarr rigghht won, but still not closed.
So we don't have a democracy, so what do you suggest to implement the will of the people?
and how did most of our empire colonies become independent nations?.
Christine Anderson is the only political figure that is making any sense in this crazy world, her speech on democracy gives revived inspiration. This idea of repatriation will NEVER happen without them retaliating and they will do so by destroying the most beautiful architecture that the west possesses, REMEMBER FRANCE. This threat has been looming over western countries for the past 60 years or so, and the past governments have compounded the problem never wanting to hear the foreseeable consequences.
If we keep going the way we are, we will have a country with one religion and no democracy anyway.
We need to lose about half of the net nine million who settled here since 2010.
Then reduce immigration to below 100,000 s year.
A manageable level.
What 'manageable'? They will get to breeding.
@@AngelBaby-cp6kf net immigration of 100,000 is perfectly reasonable in a nation of almost 70 million.
One additional person per 700 per year.
Currently we are at nine times that level.
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If you think so.
But rates of breeding grow exponentially.
@@AngelBaby-cp6kfclearly breeding does not rise exponentially.
In fact immigrant birth rates half within a generation.
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You stick to your own version of reality.
I know better.
For one thing, leftist statistics are a _humbug._
Never gonna happen. Germany too far gone.
Reparations for immigration.....prosecute Goldman Sachs.
An unexpectedly thoughtful analysis, Mr Webb.
You can discuss in a measured tone but I doubt that will stop such a party being referred to as “far right” 😉
SYNDICALISM would be worth a punt. No career politicians. Just clever blokes democratically elected.
Nope.. bellcurves are pathological.. dont want the manupilative psychos to have free reign.. must have limitations implemented to uphold collective beneficial intentions.
Germany for the Germans.
Remigration should any migrant be convicted of an offence under the criminal code.
To me, the civil service run the country not the government
Who is your favourite Austrian Painter?
a) Igor Schiele
b) Ernst Kilimt
c) Other
And one day, for no reason at all, everyone voted for...
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I've never heard of the first two.
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THEY MUST GO BACK.
Remigration has to be the way forward. It isn't the simplest solution, but nations have had large foreign populations pushed upon them. This has been completely against their wishes and to the detriment of the receiving nations.