From Baptist to Anabaptist - Greg Boyd
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- Greg Boyd shows us how to embrace our distinct Anabaptist beliefs while stressing one faith and keeping the bond of peace.
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Amen to ,"the Kingdom of Humility". How unpopular this message is, God bless the church that pursues this Kingdom of true love.
Nathan Hochstetler
Hi Nate, saw this too.
Boyd is a heretic.
I was a regional truck driver and I mostly didn't go to a church building because I had a job that worked days at a time and required dedication to keep being available for the next load.
I grew up in a holiness church but after the wife was expecting our second child I was drawn into truck driving. The wife was against a truck driving lifestyle but I didn't listen. Big mistake that was.
I started listening to Christian radio and kinda liked that because I was alone throughout the mid 90's without cell phone and other people to talk to. You had to have lots of change for a pay phone back then.
I have been trying a IFB Baptist Church now because I have Kidney failure and I can't work now. They have some really big differences but I just thought to God what do I do.? I missed Sunday morning, night and Wednesday night as I looked into the Bible and preaching and more prayer.
I reasoned that We (that church )believe more alike than myself compared to a holy God. My answer is to love them because Jesus blood paid the price and commands to love them and also to love our enemies. Also the wheat and tares.
I am with you, Brother Greg. I truly believe that God is working in the hearts of his children all across the world to come together and become ONE BODY & ONE MIND ~ The Bride of Christ. God bless.
If you’re with him, you’re a heretic also. Scary place to be.
This is the best sermon yet on love! I wish there was a church which believed this way near me.
i've been looking for my tribe too. anabaptists, i'm comin home
Once again, I find myself saying; I'm with you Greg Free my feet!
Good stuff. Sounds like James' I will show you my faith by my works.
I love it
Interesting story
Beautiful
preach it brother
Jesus is "NOT" Baptist, Anabaptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Apostolic, Pentecostal, Methodist, Muslim, Mormon, Denominational, non Demoninational.
Jesus is the "WAY" - the only "WAY"
All others are Man-Made religions.
This is a very challenging message. I have only recently been introduced to the place and significance of the Anabaptist movement in the history of the church. I've come away with the conclusion that the Anabaptists were probably the most Biblical movement in all of church history. I suppose it's no surprise that it is also, apparently, the most persecuted movement in Church history, bearing much abuse at the hands of the formal institutional "Christian" churches at the time of the Reformation, both Reformed and Catholic. This video is over five years old, and I hate to admit it but I don't know much about Greg Boyd and the direction of his church (although what I heard in this video impresses me greatly). But I have to ask: In his movement away from a garden-variety conservative evangelical outlook and church organization, why did he feel the need to identify his church as anything in particular, even "Anabaptist"? It seems that one of great errors of Christianity for nearly 2000 years has been the formalization and institutionalization of the church. Much error and frankly much evil has come from the institutional church. Why the felt need to align his church with any label, rather than go the route of a truly independent organization? (Again, in the video he talked about aligning and organizing as an Anabaptist congregation, but over the past five years, I don't know what he and his congregation have eventually done.)
This person is not a real anabaptist and neither are you. Also check your ego and pride. You definitely show fruit of an individual who loves to hear themselves talk. Keep your ego in check. And learn what a REAL anabaptist is. Not from this clown.
Wow. I love this. I'm Canadian, where can I meet up with likeminded Christians? I reject evangelical statism.
Hey Matt, sorry for the late reply on this! We've got 20 sites across Ontario - you can find our locations here: themeetinghouse.com/locations We also have Distance Groups that meet all over the world, so you can look to get connected in your area here: facebook.com/groups/tmhdistancegroups We are ALSO part of a growing global movement called Jesus Collective which Greg is also involved in. You can learn more about that here: jesuscollective.com/
I hope that helps! -Peace, Olivia
Have you asked an Orthodox Christian to talk to you yet?
yup
Boyd begins at 4:10.
Denomination means to divide.
I was unlawfully arrested several times in the state of Texas and I had 8 Bibles stolen from me that were the King James Bibles and one William Tyndale Bible and several Faith study books. I was also harassed by security at the Nashville Tennessee airport after singing several hours of Contemporary Christian and gospel music after arriving on a flight. I did not ask for any money and I sang in a hallway. I was harassed by security at the Dallas international airport right after I told several people about Jesus and I had arrived on a flight. I never asked for money from anyone and I was kicked out of the airport. I also lost my Social Security retirement because of their lies and I was severely abused and neglected when I was unlawfully arrested and put in jail.
I don't like the word "Church", ekklessia means an assembly or a congregation. The word "church" comes from the word kirke or circe which strangely enough is the same word for a name of a goddess of illusions and sorcery!
I see no reason to get rid of the name "Baptist" as it is descriptive of the born-again commission of teaching, preaching, and baptizing people of the world. "Anabaptist" comes from the enemies of believers to describe their propensity to "rebaptize" those who were "baptized" as infants.
Are we to embrace being called "rebaptizers" or baptizers?
I like a lot of what Pastor Boyd said, but I do have a problem with the idea that if white Anabaptist would just past their culture stuff, us minority Christians would flock to them. Did he ever think to ask maybe Indigenous Christian faith expressions are popping up on their own in the East, Southern Hemisphere, and in Africa? Did he think that "hey these faith traditions that are non-Eurocentric might have something to teach us white people"?
Did you think that "hey these faith traditions that are Eurocentric might have something to teach us non-white people"?
Go away with your racism insinuations. Read what the Bible says about spreading division and go somewhere else with your racist guilt trips.
In the attempt to understand the nature of differences
between religions, we are faced with the danger of
being superficial, i.e. of dealing with the religious form
instead of dealing with its contents. In other words,
there are differences among philosophies of life which
are only formal, which do not assume the differences
of their contents.
However, there are also differences that are important,
for they reveal different relations of a man towards
good and evil, towards his own life responsibility and
the character of motives that move him.
do you have a message......
The orginal anabaptist movement was a separatist movement which left the Roman Catholic church and the protestant church, due to unscriptural doctrines and practices. 500 years later, now the "anabaptist" thing to do is to embrace as brothers and sisters in Christ those whose doctrines and practices have not changed. How naive. Follow scripture, not what you think God is doing in the world.
Jesus died for HIS church and should bear His name if you insist on naming your group.
SetFree8 anabaptist it’s just a Historical tradition.
Do you ask this because you are hurt? It is not a shame to be hurt. But i haven´t sensed that Greg Boyd is expecting that "us minority Christians would flock to them". In fact he was not really talking about or thinking in differences like white - coloured christians or Eurocentric - Non-Eurocentric. He was talking about the People of the kingdom who do no longer define themselves according to political or racial differences but who are all children of God no matter where they come from.
After a deep word study on 1 Timothy 1:15 and Romans chapter 7, I can not longer view Paul to actually be the "worst" sinner after his conversion while on the road to Damascus. If Paul really was saying that, then according to John (1 Jn 3:6), Paul has never "seen Him, nor known Him." I honestly don't believe that that is what Paul was saying. However, I completely agree that not one person in the Church should ever look at those of us who do not yet believe as being lesser in any way whatsoever. My view is that we have all been made "saints" through the sacrifice of Christ. "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the WORLD." I believe in this manner, "You were saved by the same sacrifice that saved me!" It really doesn't matter if someone else believes that we are all sinners saved by Grace or if I believe that we are all equally saved by Christ, because the result is virtually the same. I view us all as equals (actually, I personally view others as better than myself), just as someone who believes we are all sinners views all to be equals. Either way, we are view one another as being in the same boat (so to speak). I get a lot of angry responses when I post comments like this, but how can I keep silent about what I believe based upon my understanding of the Scriptures? All I can say is that I have a very compelling argument based upon Scriptures, so much so, that I can no longer view things like this the way I once did. Grace and mercy upon us all. Amen.
Please do not blame Calvin for Servetus' death. See Ryan Reeves' class on these two men: czcams.com/video/rmFxUMrrEEM/video.html
Yes, CALVIN actually begged GENEVA to kill him in a more HUMANE way, by GUILLATINE, LIKE THE FRENCH..... BUT VIENNA ACTUALLY wanted to kill him because Servetus escaped from prison years earlier..........but nobody cares.....so calvin becomes "judge, jury, and executioner".....
I heard they were gay lovers and this was revenge from Calvin.
on the other hand see history books and Calvin's own confession about Servetus....now you don't even have to go to a library ..just Google it
The Anabaptist movement in the United States is at death's door for the same reason in died in Europe. Founded on the principles of separation and living by scripture no matter what, it has begun to run as fast as possible to a variety of non-biblical world stances. I came into the movement for the theology and ideals many years ago, and after investing my life in that setting have gotten to the point that I really don't care much what denomination or non-denominational church I go to any more. Anabaptism has no idea who it is or where it wants to go anymore. The vision has died and it will soon pass away on this continent. To say I am disillusioned following its demise would be to put it mildly.
If you believe in dispensations, we are in the laodicean church period of the church age. Christ is coming soon. Keep your eyes on Israel and Syria. Keep your eyes on JESUS not some movement.
Original anabaptist and what they stand for it’s different from going to anabaptist descendants of today which some are going the wrong way and don’t even hold to the original anabaptist
@@mundolinux2250 It is more than just the "descendants" that are going the wrong way. When scripture stops being the inviolable guide, the church wanders into sinful practices and away from Christ as the only way, truth, and life. I have seen this play out often. In the name of "peace" the church opens itself to other theologies and aberant practices. The temptation is to be overly accomodating where we need to be clear and crisp morally and theologically. It is a drift that I fear will overtake the entire of the Anabaptist movement. The result is anything but peace. It brings division and the smell of death to the church. Your church may or may not avoid this for a generation, but I believe this drift is almost inevitable with Anabaptist theology.
@@donaldwilliamfry in general the Bible tells us that a great fallen away will happen before Christ comes back, until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled, so yes there is a deception goin on all around
Wow, I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this, it’s definitely not my grandfather’s church anymore. The modern day Anabaptist churches for the most part follows everywhere the modern left takes them. I’m not saying they should follow the right either, I just think they should go back to being separate from the world.
Ask Paul why he said this. :-)
good message but it lacks spiritual power.... our church's today need to go back to the anointed messages... a message without spiritual power is like a cloud without rain...
If one is in Christ are they still the worst of sinners?
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there is no oneness unless your spirit led. you cannot love your enemies unless your in the spirit. you have to deny thyself and your carnal life and will and ways to even take a step in the spirit. Greg you cannot just be good enough to do the commands of god in your own strength because most of them can only be done in the spirit. trying to get the carnal disobedient Christians to be one with those who walk in the spirit and truth is a false doctrine entirely because God is separating the obedient from the wicked. many claimed christains are the wicked and do not follow christ nor walk in the spirit. GREG your brain is being blown about this love of God but you don't realize that the love of God can only be done BY PERSONS LIVING OBEDIENT IN THEIR LIVES FOLLOWING CHRIST AND SPIRIT LED. your confusing carnal man's love with the love of God. many claim to live in the love of God but we know it's not the love of God because it's not the spirit of god It's just them trying to love in their own strength(carnal love). No one can love as christ loves or god commands if you resist walking in truth and walking in the spirit. This is why you have the church trying to be one with the false teachers, the wicked, those living in total opposition to God because a carnal man's love is vastly different than God's love. God loves the good but abhors the evil things and so does anyone in the spirit of god operating in His love. there is no oneness in gods love with the wicked but rather compassion, but not oneness. Christ and his disciples never went to just hang out with the wicked but to teach them, to correct them, to rebuke them in love for the purpose of helping them know God, repent, turn their lives towards god but never just hanging out in oneness in a love fest with them and if they didn't listen to the message and accept the truths they moved on. the goal is to love them and try to help them but not be one with them if they will not come to god. These new teachings of the devil twist the truth around into thinking we need to be one with all those claiming to be believers and this is false because those who walk in the truth in the spirit will not need to try to be one with one another because gods spirit in them makes them one already. the divisions and opposition we see in today's church and believers are the divisions that come from carnal men all doing their own will walking in their own ways and versions of scripture and there is no oneness there nor can there be because God is the one who makes them one and if they are resisting walking in God's spirit and remain away from the Lord himself living in darkness and sin then they cannot be one in the same god same truth same spirit and same love. they are all scattered around in differnt truths differnt versions of what they call good and right different ways and values and different gods Christ's and gospels entirely. there is only one church and many that are not even the church nor with god that claim to be. don't be confused into thinking that all who claim to believe are the church because the church and the kingdom of God is not of men nor of their choosing based on their own version of believing, but the true one body and church and kingdom of God is only the church and kingdom of God because God has bought them and put his seal of ownership in their hearts and they are spirit led persons following the spirit of god which lives in them. these are the church and the builders of the kingdom of God with gods leading and all the others without the spirit of god are not actually the church nor in the kingdom of god and are not one with god nor one another. the spirit of god is not one with anyone who resists him and his ways and chooses to live in disobedience on purpose actively in opposition to god christ or his ways. the so called believers living this way live in their flesh and refuse to walk in the spirit and in truth and cannot ever be made one with god or one another. trying to mix these disobedient ones and the obedient ones is not gods ministry but rather to teach the disobedient ones to be obedient so they can be one. oneness comes with obedience to god because they all will walk in the same spirit governed by the same god inspired by the same spirit for the same purpose (gods) and have the same love and same truth living in them.
Be careful of what we hear we have to search the truth in the bible that Jesus died for everyone but we have to be saved individually. The church that teach salvation and preach the bible is true otherwise beware
Pretty AWESOME that you delisted the EARLY reformers like LUTHER, ZWINGLI, CALVIN, AND KNOX.........THEY ARE WORTHLESS
@ brother andrew: Well Andrew, hurt no. I simply commented on a comment that Boyd made about how Anabaptist white churches needed minorities and how in his opinion they have been driven off by cultural barriers. This view shows how engrained white privilege is in many denominational church circles in the west. Though I don't believe Boyd meant it in any derogatory way, but it does show how white christians EXPECT minorities to follow their lead. This seems so off to me because the bulk of Christianity is not in the west anymore but in the East and Southern Hemisphere. So why isn't there more of a push from western christianity to learn from those moves of God? When Christianity is in decline in the west. So I appreciate your critique but it is extremely off. This isn't coming from a place of hurt but one pointing out a comment that was actually counter-productive to what he was saying.
Susan I will answer your question in an accurate way and hope this answer finds its way to you. you asked why are there still people in the church feeling lonely and abandoned? the reason has everything to do with truth and obedience. the real cure to loneliness and feeling abandoned comes from the presence of god. his presence in the holy spirit in a believers life brings the fruit of the spirit and quenches the loneliness because gods in you revealing himseld to you and you don't feel abandoned there but loved and embraced by god himself. but you wonder why all people in the church don't have this cure and it is because they are not doing their part (obedience) for god to bless them in that way. Their part is to actually do what christ is teaching, to really deny thyself, to lay down your will, to stop doing whatever you want in your life and surrender to god in teachings first then the spirit starts revealing christ and blessing you for your willing obedience to him. Susan the cure is simple obedience and putting god and his commands before all your own wants. christ said deny thyself, pick up your cross in that order for a reason because you cannot walk in the spirit and receive the fruit of the spirit with you doing whatever you want but only for real true obedience to god himself which grows from following Christ's teachings into walking in the spirit which is in harmony with the teachings of christ but the spirit of god who lives in you becomes your teacher and guide at a very personal level. this cures all loneliness and feelings of abandonment completely.
I disagree with this statement that obedience cures ALL loneliness. Part of the "sufferings of Christ" will possibly involve loneliness at some point. A believing Christian may have been obedient to the best of their ability and yet go through a dark period of feeling abandoned. The idea that we will never experience loneliness by virtue of our own efforts of obedience can be a further heartache to a Christian experiencing this trial and does not help them pass through the dark moments of earthly difficulty. Read the Psalms.
You have tunnel vision when it comes to the "good ole days" of America. Many of your statements fly in the face of scripture.
Often you can discern the direction and substance of an entire message by it's premise. In this case it is the "Church Universal"...which is an unbiblical notion.
How exactly is it unbiblical?
Here is a very good explanation of my interpretation of "church" in Scripture: www.thomaswilliamson.net/uct_new.htm
Harold Burrell
OK, second question; What is your definition of "church universal"?
I'm asking because the article you reference starts off with a definition that I disagree with, and that I don't find in this sermon.
I would define "universal church" or "invisible church" that same way I would define a unicorn...it does not exist.
Harold Burrell
That's not how you define something. A unicorn is defined as a horse-like creature that has a horn attached to it's forehead and, in the vast majority of cases, has magical properties. If something doesn't exist, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a distinct definition. Actually, you need a distinct definition in order to make the argument that it doesn't exist.
If I don't define what a unicorn looks like, I could just point at a goat and say "That's a unicorn" and nobody could proove me wrong. It is only when a unicorn is defined (see above) that one can definitively say "unicorns don't exist".
So, my question still stands.
To casual for it to be serious.