Ben Spies was the last who had a chance. He really had the American riding style and wouldn’t change it. His teammate won a championship while Ben finished 7th.
This is one of the hardest interviews to listen to /watch .. he is no negative and bias to his view and mentality....back in the day how things were ... very different now . In every single way
Some people come across as negative when they think critically about things through a specific lens (past experience). I think of Mx the same way. Track insurance, the price of real estate and the expense of maintaining high output four strokes is killing the pool of potential future MX stars. I think Kocinski makes valid points.
REASON: motorcycle racing is HUGE in Italy and Spain. Motorcycle racing in America, or in any other countries is TINY in comparison. Why aren't there American soccer players, or Italian baseball players? KR, Eddie et al were just a "blip". Will never happen again.
Idk, Rossi built a flat dirt track on his property to get better. I think he built it during his Ducati days when him and Hayden were team mates. Rossi has a stable of Italian riders training there to this day.
Riding FT teaches handling skills you will get nowhere else, but current MotoGP bikes handle much differently. Learning the electronics suite and trusting it is the key these days.
Lack of exposure is what I see the number one issue is. 99% of general people I meet have absolutely ZERO clue what motorcycle road racing even is let alone Moto America. How do we get more exposure without going broke, figure that out and problem solved. I'm not saying this is easy but its not something that will just happen on its own, it won't just go viral on its own.
It needs a financial backing approach that has very long term vision that measures success by the number of Americans winning in GPs. And the deep pockets to spend a lot (like the Europeans do) and wait a very long time for the payoff.
John makes very valid points on the lack of an American presence in MotoGP. All of the main players are Italian and Spanish and really don't want American involvement.
Same in USA with Motorcross. So many Americans losing it over Jett Lawrence dominance it's actually amusing to watch . Jean Michael Bayle received same so badly he quit the sport entirely
@@74allnite Not really. I'll be honest, I'm Canadian so I'm biased towards North America. There's no active effort to keep international competition out of motocross in the USA. I believe it definitely exists in MotoGP by those that control the sport.
@@74allnite There's truth in that I believe. But all the good equipment is controlled by those who have zero interest in giving an American a ride. Also I think the American talent pool has gotten significantly shallower over the past couple of decades due to changing demographics and economics of the American motorcycle market.
We can't do much about the tracks, but we'll have to change the bikes and start using moto3 and moto2 machinery! The SBK route isn't working anymore! Lol...get Jack Miller, really!
This is a stupid question. When was the last time you saw a race on TV? It's not popular because it's not shown or promoted. Ask this question to someone at Speedvision... Oh wait...
Exactly... its all gone to streaming service or one off pay for view events on TV. Even the big events out of Moto GP like Dakar and the Isle of Mann TT are now only available via streaming service other than a small nightly recap.
i dont agree with all his points, but to put it in simple word: on my opinion the biggest difference between europe and the US is competition in relation to age. In europe you have close competition in national and european championships for minibikes starting from age 5. In the US you wont be able to find anything that comes close to the competition in road racing like in european series unless you reach age 10-12. europeans and especially people living in the spain-france-italy region can earn so much more experince in a competitive environment earlier in their live than americans, making it almost impossible to catch up.
Kenny Roberts tried to start the training school in the US that has done wonders for Spain, he couldn't get any financial or manufacturer backing in the US. He got the backing in Spain and latter Rossi saw the value in it and started his training camp and now lots oh strong Italians in gp
People in the US just found out about the existence of Formula 1…. MotoGP and F1 is mostly European riders and mechanics because they are born in Europe.
Davide Brivio has a bit of experience in motogp... he won with Yamaha and Suzuki... and he led the Aussie team with Burgees. They want to win, and probably there are no US team managers experienced enough?! Same as riders?
It's expensive to race. I raced 2003 to 2008 with my local club. Shout out to the CMRA. I was lucky I made a lot of money n could afford a pretty good racing program. Wasn't till I learned how to ride a bike 3 years later when I started winning n made contingency money. Racing was paying the bills of racing. But so what .
The reason is most Americans don’t care much for moto gp,f1, or soccer. They are boring for most Americans. Yes there are pockets of fans in the major cities. But in general the size of America and the mentality of Americans makes certain sports not very popular.
I'm new to MotoGP but from the stuff I've been learning the better question to ask is "Why are Italians and Spaniards and other Europeans dominating the sport for decades". Another question is "Why aren't Japanese riders making an impact? Japan makes 90% of the winning bikes in the history of the sport. Americans don't make anything MotoGp related. Why would Americans be expected to compete in a sport where they don't make a godamn thing related to it. I understand why Americans don't have any impact. What I don't understand is why Japanese cats aren't making an impact. Very strange.
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MotoGP is a world championship: there’s no room for any nationalism at that level. If you wanna win you hire the best professionals: Brivio was the best manager available, he got the job. There’s nothing like an American, Spanish or Italian team in 2024, fortunately.
And by the way: Brivio led both Yamaha in the 2000s and Suzuki in 2020 to winning the world championship. I doubt he spoke Italian to the Japanese engineers.
Nothing like an Italian team in 2024? Factory Ducati is all Italian. Italian bike, Italian, riders, Italian Management. Even Aprilia stated they want an Italian Rider because they are also an Italian team
Do they need not an academy but a quarters to live with a link to people who are involved in racing. You often hear of past riders staying with established people in the sport when they first arrive. Make that initial transition to Europe easier with a home house for riders from America , Australia, South Africa, etc
They need to broadcast MotoGP on broadcast channels….. ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox….etc…so everyone is exposed to racing. That’s the way it was when motorcycle racing was big in North America.
The answer is Dorna and also the fact most American's don't care about road racing. There's no shortage of riding talent in America obviously but everyone prefers the dirt.
Dorna has nothing to do with it. Motorcycle racing is TINY in the US compared to Italy and Spain. There is a shortage of ROAD racing talent in the USA! Roberts, Lawson, Rainey was an abnormality. Will never happen again. Don't forget that Kevin Schwantz was not a dirt tracker.
You could say the same thing about Americans not knowing MotoGP... Why would you judge an owners intention 10 races into his first season? Don't forget he bought this team at the last second before the season started. This whole team understands the Aprilia and there's not a single person in America that's seen the inside of the bike. Why would you get rid of anyone?? You bring them in one by one and ease into it...
I agree that others don't know America. But the bigger problem is Americans don't know how to euro as it is done now in MotoGP and in F1. I'm just a nobody, but I was GP obsessed all through the 80s onward. I raced myself, I worked in the US moto racing industry and still have a hand in it. We have to start thinking like the Grand Prix Commission and Dorna/FIM/IRTA/MSMA. What are their goals/motivations/concerns/plans? Understanding this is key. Teaching the youngest possible about the mentality through similar race structuring. Add classes that exactly mirror Moto3/2 and GP on the national level. Full electronics suite required. Work out deals to get Ohlins and Brembo into the series. I know that means probably paying at least Ohlins but the vision has to be there to see the long term payoff and understand the value of the investment. No deal will work for Broasters Chicken or whatever that is just seeking a simple return on ad revenue. Until the vision is financed in the US it will never happen. The Europeans spend astronomically for the feeder programs, until we do too nothing will change.
If you want americans to win again you need to copy the spanish model. They start training by 4-5 years in riders schools and competing no later than 6. They compete in a very high level and in world class tracks so only the best survive. Not only the spanish riders did, but Stoner, Quartararo, Bagnaia started their carreers in Spain cups(imagine the level of this cups). Also the spanish CEV (home championship) long ago made a smart decission allowing foreingers to compete for the spanish championship. Now CEV is best in class worldwide. BTW: Repsol is 100% private company since 1989. The spanish goverment role was building the best tracks of any country in the world but nowadays teams or cups are not goverment backed.
Indian motorcycles could have an “American” equivalent, Harley tried but decided to stick with flat track and road bikes . . . There is no “bike culture” other than H/D in the U.S. 🥱😎
Dudes got balls😆 This guy sounds like he’s saying there are countries taking advantage of us. And America needs to stand up and level the playing field. Reminds me of someone..hmm Maybe this is why Americans feel so strongly about their AMA motocross series 🤷♂️
I don't think John is correct in his statement. First of all an American that is actually winning in Moto GP would be a huge deal for the Championship and for any manufacturer just because of how big of a market US is. That is good thing for Dorna and for every body involved. Just look at F1. Now reason why there is no American rider or any South American rider in the championship lies solely in the fact that younger categories are much, much better organised from the government level through clubs and national championships. Who ever comes on top there is more then ready to come to the world stage. Whole approach is drastically different. Any organisation that wants to be on that level needs to change their approach to racing. And that is the biggest issue in the whole matter.
MotoGP sucks these days - stay well away John. It’s just two-wheeled F1, utterly tedious. Back in the 500 days I’d get up at 5am to drive to my parents house to watch it live on satellite tv, it was genuine edge of your seat stuff. But not these days, just can’t get into it.
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Ben Spies was the last who had a chance.
He really had the American riding style and wouldn’t change it.
His teammate won a championship while Ben finished 7th.
Spies struggled to adjust to the electronics by his own admission. He would have done just fine in the 500 era or first years of the 990s.
This is one of the hardest interviews to listen to /watch .. he is no negative and bias to his view and mentality....back in the day how things were ... very different now . In every single way
he was known as a head case "back in his day"
Some people come across as negative when they think critically about things through a specific lens (past experience).
I think of Mx the same way. Track insurance, the price of real estate and the expense of maintaining high output four strokes is killing the pool of potential future MX stars.
I think Kocinski makes valid points.
"Cal Crutchlow's manager told me. It doesn't matter how many World Titles you got. How many followers do you have ?" - Kevin Schwantz
Man Nicky was cool
Ride In Peace
Yep, totally agree. I miss him.!!
REASON: motorcycle racing is HUGE in Italy and Spain.
Motorcycle racing in America, or in any other countries is TINY in comparison.
Why aren't there American soccer players, or Italian baseball players?
KR, Eddie et al were just a "blip". Will never happen again.
John offering to help out, that would be excellent, former riders of Johns calibre have so much to offer to young up coming riders.
He just showed exactly why they're falling behind. They're stuck in the past. Almost none of the current motoGP riders started on flat track.
Yep..this my exact thought..as most people are aware it was minimotos on kart tracks the Spanish and Italian riders learnt how to race!
Idk, Rossi built a flat dirt track on his property to get better. I think he built it during his Ducati days when him and Hayden were team mates. Rossi has a stable of Italian riders training there to this day.
@@CouchSlouch- Kenny Roberts and Colin Edwards had "farms" like Rossi's.
They ride a lot of dirt track at Rossi's ranch. There is a reason that the guys that Rossi trains are fast. Riding dirt track is one of them.
Riding FT teaches handling skills you will get nowhere else, but current MotoGP bikes handle much differently. Learning the electronics suite and trusting it is the key these days.
He is spot on!
Brevio is the best thing to Happen with that team🏴☠️🏁
We had Ben Spies who is one of the best American motorcycle riders ever. Even though he didn't do great in moto gp for multitude of reasons
Lack of exposure is what I see the number one issue is. 99% of general people I meet have absolutely ZERO clue what motorcycle road racing even is let alone Moto America. How do we get more exposure without going broke, figure that out and problem solved. I'm not saying this is easy but its not something that will just happen on its own, it won't just go viral on its own.
It needs a financial backing approach that has very long term vision that measures success by the number of Americans winning in GPs. And the deep pockets to spend a lot (like the Europeans do) and wait a very long time for the payoff.
John makes very valid points on the lack of an American presence in MotoGP. All of the main players are Italian and Spanish and really don't want American involvement.
You cant be this stupid.
Same in USA with Motorcross. So many Americans losing it over Jett Lawrence dominance it's actually amusing to watch . Jean Michael Bayle received same so badly he quit the sport entirely
@@74allnite Not really. I'll be honest, I'm Canadian so I'm biased towards North America. There's no active effort to keep international competition out of motocross in the USA. I believe it definitely exists in MotoGP by those that control the sport.
@@jayfxdx well no even Spies just said no.point going OS unless you have.a good ride . Hence everyone stays home .
@@74allnite There's truth in that I believe. But all the good equipment is controlled by those who have zero interest in giving an American a ride. Also I think the American talent pool has gotten significantly shallower over the past couple of decades due to changing demographics and economics of the American motorcycle market.
Id vote for this guy in an election. Very solid communicator
We can't do much about the tracks, but we'll have to change the bikes and start using moto3 and moto2 machinery! The SBK route isn't working anymore! Lol...get Jack Miller, really!
This is a stupid question. When was the last time you saw a race on TV? It's not popular because it's not shown or promoted. Ask this question to someone at Speedvision... Oh wait...
Exactly... its all gone to streaming service or one off pay for view events on TV. Even the big events out of Moto GP like Dakar and the Isle of Mann TT are now only available via streaming service other than a small nightly recap.
i dont agree with all his points, but to put it in simple word: on my opinion the biggest difference between europe and the US is competition in relation to age.
In europe you have close competition in national and european championships for minibikes starting from age 5.
In the US you wont be able to find anything that comes close to the competition in road racing like in european series unless you reach age 10-12.
europeans and especially people living in the spain-france-italy region can earn so much more experince in a competitive environment earlier in their live than americans, making it almost impossible to catch up.
Kenny Roberts tried to start the training school in the US that has done wonders for Spain, he couldn't get any financial or manufacturer backing in the US. He got the backing in Spain and latter Rossi saw the value in it and started his training camp and now lots oh strong Italians in gp
@@848evo4 thats definetly something i need to learn more about! Any recommendation for books, documentaries, articles whatever to dive in deeper?
Funny I was just watching MotoGP last night on TruTV for the first time in YEARS!
Big money from cigarette companies funded all American and Australian riders everything changed since they pulled out.
People in the US just found out about the existence of Formula 1….
MotoGP and F1 is mostly European riders and mechanics because they are born in Europe.
MotoGP and F1 has always had a large percentage of Aussie and Kiwi mechanics and crew chiefs.
Pedro Acosta's crew chief is a Kiwi.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp ok..
C'mon Jack Miller can't even keep the bike on two wheels, definitely not the rider for an American team.
Davide Brivio has a bit of experience in motogp... he won with Yamaha and Suzuki... and he led the Aussie team with Burgees. They want to win, and probably there are no US team managers experienced enough?! Same as riders?
It's expensive to race. I raced 2003 to 2008 with my local club. Shout out to the CMRA. I was lucky I made a lot of money n could afford a pretty good racing program. Wasn't till I learned how to ride a bike 3 years later when I started winning n made contingency money. Racing was paying the bills of racing. But so what .
The reason is most Americans don’t care much for moto gp,f1, or soccer. They are boring for most Americans. Yes there are pockets of fans in the major cities. But in general the size of America and the mentality of Americans makes certain sports not very popular.
this is a good piece
I'm new to MotoGP but from the stuff I've been learning the better question to ask is "Why are Italians and Spaniards and other Europeans dominating the sport for decades". Another question is "Why aren't Japanese riders making an impact? Japan makes 90% of the winning bikes in the history of the sport. Americans don't make anything MotoGp related. Why would Americans be expected to compete in a sport where they don't make a godamn thing related to it. I understand why Americans don't have any impact. What I don't understand is why Japanese cats aren't making an impact. Very strange.
MA is a long way from even BSB...nevermind MotoGP 🤦♂️🤷♂️
You don't think gagne could keep up in MotoGP?
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677absolutely not
FUCK NO
America has Bagger racing... lol
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MotoGP is a world championship: there’s no room for any nationalism at that level. If you wanna win you hire the best professionals: Brivio was the best manager available, he got the job. There’s nothing like an American, Spanish or Italian team in 2024, fortunately.
And by the way: Brivio led both Yamaha in the 2000s and Suzuki in 2020 to winning the world championship. I doubt he spoke Italian to the Japanese engineers.
Nothing like an Italian team in 2024? Factory Ducati is all Italian. Italian bike, Italian, riders, Italian Management. Even Aprilia stated they want an Italian Rider because they are also an Italian team
I miss Nicky Hayden.
Do they need not an academy but a quarters to live with a link to people who are involved in racing. You often hear of past riders staying with established people in the sport when they first arrive. Make that initial transition to Europe easier with a home house for riders from America , Australia, South Africa, etc
They need to broadcast MotoGP on broadcast channels….. ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox….etc…so everyone is exposed to racing. That’s the way it was when motorcycle racing was big in North America.
Liberty Media is an arm of Blackrock, interesting purchase. F1 since has fixed a Champion, I’m expecting money & politics to stir things.
lewis leaving that corner open isn`t giving Max the championship, it came down to one lap and the better driver in the moment won.
@@jessiehoward158 it came down to Liberty Media & F1 staging a win for Red Bull for the headlines of a *New Champion.
The answer is Dorna and also the fact most American's don't care about road racing. There's no shortage of riding talent in America obviously but everyone prefers the dirt.
Dorna has nothing to do with it. Motorcycle racing is TINY in the US compared to Italy and Spain.
There is a shortage of ROAD racing talent in the USA!
Roberts, Lawson, Rainey was an abnormality. Will never happen again.
Don't forget that Kevin Schwantz was not a dirt tracker.
@@LeftThumbBreak you cant be this stupid
Think they got Davide because of Aprilia being Italian…I would also think build with Americans…
You could say the same thing about Americans not knowing MotoGP... Why would you judge an owners intention 10 races into his first season? Don't forget he bought this team at the last second before the season started. This whole team understands the Aprilia and there's not a single person in America that's seen the inside of the bike. Why would you get rid of anyone?? You bring them in one by one and ease into it...
Jack on the trackhouse aprilia would be great
Jackass is done. 10-years away from home. Time to retire back to his place and family in Oz. And enjoy his AUS$25-million.
I agree that others don't know America. But the bigger problem is Americans don't know how to euro as it is done now in MotoGP and in F1.
I'm just a nobody, but I was GP obsessed all through the 80s onward. I raced myself, I worked in the US moto racing industry and still have a hand in it.
We have to start thinking like the Grand Prix Commission and Dorna/FIM/IRTA/MSMA.
What are their goals/motivations/concerns/plans? Understanding this is key. Teaching the youngest possible about the mentality through similar race structuring. Add classes that exactly mirror Moto3/2 and GP on the national level. Full electronics suite required. Work out deals to get Ohlins and Brembo into the series. I know that means probably paying at least Ohlins but the vision has to be there to see the long term payoff and understand the value of the investment.
No deal will work for Broasters Chicken or whatever that is just seeking a simple return on ad revenue.
Until the vision is financed in the US it will never happen. The Europeans spend astronomically for the feeder programs, until we do too nothing will change.
huge amounts of talent in the NEEDT National Series.....
Because they start on dirt, and stay on dirt. Spanish and Italian riders start on track from a young age.
If you want americans to win again you need to copy the spanish model. They start training by 4-5 years in riders schools and competing no later than 6. They compete in a very high level and in world class tracks so only the best survive. Not only the spanish riders did, but Stoner, Quartararo, Bagnaia started their carreers in Spain cups(imagine the level of this cups). Also the spanish CEV (home championship) long ago made a smart decission allowing foreingers to compete for the spanish championship. Now CEV is best in class worldwide. BTW: Repsol is 100% private company since 1989. The spanish goverment role was building the best tracks of any country in the world but nowadays teams or cups are not goverment backed.
Motorcycling in America is on a downward spiral because social media, and video games is all they care about!
How would moto america superbike times compare to moto 2 times at any track?
The bikes and tires are very very different
Yep
All Australian champions start on flat track. There is no junior Road Racing here .
Make it affordable and bring back the flat tracks.
Indian motorcycles could have an “American” equivalent, Harley tried but decided to stick with flat track and road bikes . . . There is no “bike culture” other than H/D in the U.S. 🥱😎
Harley has done so much damage to the motorcycle culture in the USA.
An American guy talking about morals… jeez foh Big up for trackhouse racing for the effort they put in. Don’t forget what Brevio did with Suzuki.
All the best for Joe Roberts i guess
America is as far from a GP team as is possible. It's a European team with a US wrap on the bikes/riders.
Dudes got balls😆 This guy sounds like he’s saying there are countries taking advantage of us. And America needs to stand up and level the playing field. Reminds me of someone..hmm
Maybe this is why Americans feel so strongly about their AMA motocross series 🤷♂️
This is not what he said at all smh
Put KR in charge of a rider development program.
Too old
Maybe junior?
KR and Colin Edwards both had a rider development "Farm". Both went defunct.
They don’t have a strong enough domestic championship to start with…..its years behind bsb never mind moto gp.
I don't think John is correct in his statement. First of all an American that is actually winning in Moto GP would be a huge deal for the Championship and for any manufacturer just because of how big of a market US is. That is good thing for Dorna and for every body involved. Just look at F1. Now reason why there is no American rider or any South American rider in the championship lies solely in the fact that younger categories are much, much better organised from the government level through clubs and national championships. Who ever comes on top there is more then ready to come to the world stage. Whole approach is drastically different. Any organisation that wants to be on that level needs to change their approach to racing. And that is the biggest issue in the whole matter.
John put in layman's terms to a non racer what what I'm watching when I see Doohan dominating and the guy that's in fourth
Last true American world champion was KR jr. Nicky totally lucked into it with just two wins.
MotoGP sucks these days - stay well away John. It’s just two-wheeled F1, utterly tedious. Back in the 500 days I’d get up at 5am to drive to my parents house to watch it live on satellite tv, it was genuine edge of your seat stuff. But not these days, just can’t get into it.
Gonna get a lot of hate, but most of the world doesn't want American's involved in anything outside of the US, especially in the last 10-20 years.
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