J.K. Rowling’s Spiral into Madness (with ContraPoints)
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I'm a molecular scientist and I work in the lab for a big urology practice. We indicate male or female sex and if there is a variation we add a note. A transgender woman can need to be screened for prostate cancer, but if she's been on estradiol and/or progesterone for a certain period of time we'll be looking at different ranges on her labs to indicate a potential abnormality. As to how we refer to patients? Speaking collectively, in the above example we would say "prostate patients." Because that's the group we're talking about. But individually, we refer to the patient how they wish to be referred to.
And this isn't because I'm the resident trans man of the lab and I demand we use inclusive language. It's just how we talk because it's efficient and accurate. Which is a big deal in medicine.
Makes sense to sensible people. But transphobes are never sensible.
@Mr_user_1000 I don't handle patients directly; I'm laboratory. We often refer to groups of patients based on what we're testing for. "Prostate patients" is specifically our term for patients who have had prostate biopsies.
We rarely in the lab say "man" or "woman." We'll refer to a patient's sex of it's relevant, but that's it. There's a lot of difference between the way people who work directly with patients speak and the way people who work indirectly with patients speak.
It's honestly just that lab workers tend to like having patients at a distance, so we speak about them very clinically. We're a bunch of weird introverts that like helping people, as long as they don't come up to our floor.
@@Mr_user_1000 my aunt is an oncologist (therefore interacts with patients) and also says they refer to patients based on the type of cancer they are being treated for in her hospital. describing someone by their sex has little relevance, unless it's a conversation explicitly between a patient and their doctor, and even then, it would only matter in very specific instances.
Also, using peoples preferred gender/pronouns when gender/ pronouns must be used will not make anything inefficient except for your hate.
@Mr_user_1000 I just reread your reply. Are you saying that trans women should be referred to as men and the doctor should just indicate what range her levels should be?
First, that is transphobic. Second, that's a bunch of unnecessary work for the sake of being transphobic. We get a requisition for a PSA level check, sex says male, note says "transgender woman, 3 years estradiol." Cool. All the info we need. What you suggested would just confuse the lab and have us calling the ordering physician to figure out what we're supposed to be looking out for.
My wife used to work in the cervical cancer screening program. They mostly said women, but the screening needed to cover people with a cervix. A trans man with a cervix needs cervical screening. This has to be communicated or people die.
The people who support JKR and people who think like her literally could not care less about the lives of trans men.
@@SNESpoolhate it when people say "GCs are forgetting about trans men!!1!" as if that isnt fully intentional
EXACTLY. It shouldn't have to be an issue.
Maybe because humans who have crevix are women. (Tran men included being that they are biological women).
@user-db6vk9gv9y that's what I used to think too but then I found out that like half or more of the common conditions that Dr. screen for like heart disease, etc. actually switches when you take hormones because sex differentiation is primarily hormone controlled and you're basically just doing the same thing that would've happened in the womb to turn someone male in the first place. You can't classify them as women or men you need to classify them as transsexual men specifically, or say, female, to male transgender or whatever the phrasing is, but the point is you can't just pretend they're normal women because they're not.
"I imagine her rocking back and forth in the corner of her like 11th living room in her 6th castle on Twitter sweating"
That really made me lol
I work at prenatal clinic. Generally speaking, when referring to individuals, we will refer to a cisgender woman as a “pregnant woman” or “mother of child” but if the patient is non-binary or trans-masc, we will use the term “pregnant person” and “birthing parent”. It’s almost like language is adaptable to context and situational need….
We also use the terms Prenatal Health and Gynecological services instead of “Women’s Health.” It is actually not that hard to use inclusive language in the health care and preserve the important context necessary to provide care
I appreciate tf out of this, as a pregnant non-binary person. I cringe every time I read articles calling me mama, or have to go into the women's clinic, and have a million other little reminders that I'm seen as a woman due to my pregnancy. I'll still go through medical care, because I know I need to, but fuck it does make it just a little bit harder. I have to assume for folks who struggle more with dysphoria that it could cause them to delay or avoid treatment, even when they really shouldn't.
I don’t understand how society is so accepting of neologism relating to new technologies and vernacular terms for existing things but is so inflexible about gender and pronouns. As a cis het employee at a school I chose to run Pride Club and provide a safe space for my queer kids ❤
I'm a pregnant trans man. I notice whenever people do this and it is so appreciated. So much of pregnancy so far has been incrediby stressful misgendering, all the literature having hyperfeminine language, generally being shamed and even told to leave when seeking prenatal care. If people are already using gender-neutral language it's a hint I might be safe there.
@@80schick1967I will explain why. Your attempt to alter basic speech and grammar like pronouns is an attempt to make your ideology hegemonic, through the backdoor. You must accept this. Usage of these words presupposes agreement with your radical views. That's unfair to the majority
@@80schick1967
Like calling a fetus a baby means you accept religious right views
Omg, I need Natalie’s deadpanned soundbite of “nooo, don’t transition you’re so sexy aha” 😂
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@@celestelalianna7276 @18:58
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@@gms9608 Beat me to it!
Suffragettes were VERY violent and uh not polite…. And in turn, they were tortured. To say there wasn’t violence erases women’s history, regardless of how you feel about what they did.
yeah, i think claiming that past civil rights movements were polite and non-violent is a way of trying to force present movements of that kind into behaving in ineffective ways.
Suffragettes took the lives of men who opposed them on numerous occasions, so for TERFs to act as though women’s rights have been peaceful and bloodless is just revisionist history. Not at all surprising when their leader is now engaging in Holocaust denial.
Also, a surprising amount of the original suffragettes went on to become fascists, just like many of the present-day TERFs...
The Suffragettes were also not one united group. There were many branches, and some, edit: many if not most, were actually extremely classist and/or racist, essentially wanting rights for women, provided they were rich and white. Modern 4th wave feminists would be shocked and despise most of the Suffragettes if they could go back in a time machine and meet them.
they were also extremely racist too
So I'm nonbinary and actually had a baby around 2 years ago. No one ever used the term "birthing person" AT ALL. All the medical professionals either just called me "mom," or they asked me what I wanted to be referred to after I mentioned I was nonbinary. I think the term "birthing parent" MIGHT have been used on one of the medical forums or something. But from my experience, I don't see medical professionals using the term by default.
i'm so sorry you had that experience :c i'm non-binary myself, and it's great to see people use gender-neutral terms. i actually had a professor who always, always made sure to use "pregnant person" and would correct himself whenever he said "pregnant mother" or something similar. that was honestly amazing! like more of that please.
That's interesting. I'm curious, were you upset or feel that it was problematic for you that birthing person wasn't used? Is 'Mom' not inappropriate word for you as a non-binary individual who is a parent?
I can share similar experiences. I'm nonbinary AFAB and here in Germany, language is very focused on gender. There's no good German word for "sibling" or a neutral version for uncle or aunt. I settled with "sister" and "aunt" because of the lack of available options and because I just suck at making up something by myself. It's frustrating that genderneutral options in languages are either nonexistent or heavily repressed by a binary-thinking society.
As a nonbinary person with endometriosis I cannot think of a time anyone used "menstruating person" at a gyno appointment. It drives me a bit crazy whenever I'm at appointments (but really my brain mostly wants to be done w/ the appointment and expectation of pain so I'm a little distracted from gender stuff lol). Female language has ALWAYS been used for all of the pregnancy information both in person and on all of the websites I've looked at while office searching. I hate that feminine language is constantly used for pregnancy stuff bc the whole pregnancy/birth experience is exciting and emotional and complicated and having to deal with the constant mom/woman language must really suck when you're already going through everything that pregnancy entails.
As a cis woman, I have intersex characteristics. I have been able to grow a beard since I was 12. And back and neck and chest hair. All that shit. 1 in 10 cisgendered women grow "excessive" facial hair. 4 in 10 of us will experience female pattern baldness by the time were 70. 1 in 200 of us have intersexed genitalia. To people like me, traditional womanhood feels like a round hole that people have been trying to shave a square block into, for so fucking long, we've forgotten that women were ever square in the first place. So when someone gestures at trans women and says "that woman is basically a man", I want to gesture at all women and shout WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
Not cis but afab and I strongly suspect I'm some kind of intersex or chimera as well. Sporadic beard growth, not sure what I'm allowed to say in a youtube comment but _ahem_ a part which sometimes grows larger than the average size, a voice deep enough to sometimes be "misgendered" over the phone, and a body that loves to put all its excess fat into the abdomen. Unfortunately, I do the monthly afab thing as well. I'd love to have my chromosomes tested.
People unfortunately generally have a 3rd grade level understanding of biology, particularly around sex/gender. And will often explicitly invoke this as if it's a good thing: "Sex is REAL! It's basic biology!"...it's like, yes Jeffrey, that is basic biology, but we're at Advanced Biology 2, try to keep up.
By excessive facial hair, do you mean conditions like hirsutism as a result of polycystic ovary syndrome/Idiopathic hyperandrogenism? This would explain the 1 in 10 figure, but I think it's more like 15% of cis women that suffer from this if they can't get properly treated.
@@saturnhex9855 Love this! When people say "it's basic {insert subject here}" they don't realise that "basic" in this case means "very simplified and missing a lot of details". For example, "basic math" says you can only take the square root of positive numbers... then "i" comes along (defined as the sqrt of -1) and slaps them in the face 😂
@@potterlover96 I have asked so many transphobes how they perceive intersex people, and they always avoid or flunk their answers.. their feelings prevail, 99% of the time
As a cis het woman who has given birth, I was not referred to as a birthing person at any point but as a person pregnant at age 40, I was referred to as a "geriatric mother" 😂
well that's depressing
Medicine is so fucking ridiculous I swear
Kinda depressing, but understandable. As women get older, there are mome risks associated with pregnancy for both mother and child. Advanced maternal age is considered for women above 35 years. Of course, it's not a "magical number", a 40-year-old woman can have a much easier pregnancy than a 20-year-old, and a much healthier child, but the risks need to be known.
@@thehouseofmilliei found several studies that support higher risk to child and mother at an increasing age of the mother, including higher chance of genetic deffects, misscarriages and need for a C-Section. Up your media literacy
@@thehouseofmillie that's not true. There's tonnes of data that proves that above the age of 35, pregnancies have a much higher risk for mother and child. Diabetes, premature birth, emergency C-seciton, down syndrome, stillbirth or miscarriage- all affected by mother's age.
My mom had my brother at 41 and me at 43. She was bedridden for the second half of my brother's pregnancy, got diabetes, had C-section with both of us and I was born 3 weeks early.
To answer Natalie’s question: I gave birth to my youngest in 2021, and everyone called me a woman or mother, but I was often given generalized paperwork that used inclusive language. I’m always happy to see that. I’m a woman, not every AFAB person is. I don’t see how someone could throw away their credibility over something that not only doesn’t affect me, but helps more people access more comprehensive healthcare. Ugh.
I think her comment was also a sneaky shout out to Lindsay who just had her baby 😊
I'm really glad I saw this - I paused almost the second she said it in the video and wanted to see if this reply existed. Obviously it's only one anecdote but it's nice to have the confirmation.
Paused the video to say this exact thing. +1! I also work in healthcare and I'd say we try to make formal paperwork as inclusive as possible, but if I'm interacting with an individual, I'm going to use the language that person uses for themselves if I can. Granted, I have given birth and worked in healthcare only in areas of the US that are quite liberal so one should take that into account.
Also unfortunately, children can and do get pregnant. And just talking about women (especially in regards to healthcare) erases that fact. I dont care wether that child is menstruating or pregnant or none of the above, I am not going to call a child a woman. That word insinuates adulthood and could imply trivializing the horrible fact of how said child got pregnant (I'm pretty sure CZcams would censorthe correct word I'd use to describe that). So 'Pregnant People' and 'People with uteri' does much more than 'just' include trans people (which is valid on it's own).
My wife and I had our daughter at a hospital in rural PA last year. The intake paperwork used birthing parent / non-birthing parent (probably because it's the most accurate and least ambiguous term possible?), but the staff referred to us as her mother and father.
All this seems like an attempt to frame using accurate and inclusive medical terminology as somehow being anti-woman, which... I can't really see how.
My 20yo is a beautiful trans woman, she lives with 2 cis woman, she does most of the cooking, she makes sure they're are always period products in the shopping for them, they go on pride marches with her, they're just all really good friends. Because she's not a threat to anyone! I couldn't be prouder. It sucks that something she loved reading as a child is involved in trying to turn people against her.
But is JKR doing that? I’m pretty sure JKR is fine with trans women.
@hamster4618 literally yesterday she referred to all trans womem as 'crossdressing males' trying to 'caricature' women
Why do you people keep trying to deny that she doesn't like trans people? She's pretty open about the fact she thinks they're a threat to women
@@cyber_rachel7427 did she? In what context? I’ve tried to look up your claim but I can’t see if she’s referring to all trans-women or referring to A crossdressing straight guy trying to invade women’s spaces.
I think there are transgenders. I also think there are many people making up stuff for their benefit (financial, access, attention).
She’s also referring to people caricaturing women. I think Dylan Mulvany is such a type.
@@hamster4618 did you even watch the video you're commenting on 😂
@@celisewillis Sure. Why?
Joanne is still fighting Rajan two weeks later, she's obsessed
He’s just some guy and a billionaire is witch hunting him. But of course she’s being targeted right?
I know this probably means that there's been a back-and-forth, but I first imagined her just throwing tweet after tweet at the guy, and him not even caring/noticing, which is really funny to think about.
One of the things that gets me is watching John Green, who is far less rich, fall into the rabbit hole of defeating tuberculosis....
And knowing that if JK had lost her mind to defeat any disease she could tangibly, measurably, not culture war ambiguously, save literally millions upon millions of lives.
Like I keep thinking how much real "I'm gonna use my fortune to buy shares to bully a company into dropping a drug price" is vs "I'm gonna yell at randos on twitter"
I was just thinking about this earlier today. Imagine a future where John Green is known primarily as the man who defeated tuberculosis and JK Rowling is barely remembered because people are embarrassed to think about her.
1. We're so lucky to have John green
2. It's so depressing to think about all the problems like TB exist. Jk could just pick one and do so much good but here we are. There's so much work to do! We don't have time for this!
@@holliebrokaw3716She could even choose one of the illnesses that primarily affect women if she wanted to help and protect girls and women. The medical research in that area is generally underfunded so she could really make a significant difference for millions of people if she cared to...
nerdfighteria has proven to be such a force for good especially recently. and it just sucks to know that whatever kind of community JKR has fostered, they are only capable of doing damage.
God, this is such a mood like. I see what John and Hank and Nerdfighteria do for fighting for healthcare in Sierra Leone, or against TB, or for more equitable cancer treatment, and I’m just. Why can’t all famous people do this? I don’t understand why so few do anything this good.
I’m tired dammit. At least Union busters like Rockefeller also donated their fortunes for things like public libraries and arts centers.
"Tweet 7, verse 3" is such a funny line imo
Yes! Also "churches became more on fire than they previously had been..." 39:25
JKR wanted Dumbledore to be gay without having to actually write any gay experience, and she wanted brownie points for Hermione ~not necessarily being white~ when she wrote about her white scared face, and said that the cast looked like what she imagined when they were picked. She never once mentioned that Hermione was anything else until she realized she could farm some brownie points after the fact. She didn't write an inclusive story, she wrote a story where Hermione was mocked for thinking slavery was bad and a notable black character was named SHACKLEBOLT. She's actually worse than many of us realized at like 8 years old, and people's unwillingness to accept the reality that she's actually sort of a giant trashbag of hypocrisy is really tired.
you are tiring.
@@Mr_user_1000 go take a nap then, no one asked you to be here, nor are you actually fostering good discussions.
Just misrepresenting what people believe and claiming inclusion is oppression...
@@Mr_user_1000 You are mal foy.
@@the_last_ballad I'm definitely not misrepresenting anything. I have screenshots to prove and a simple google search will reveal tons of articles in trans friendly websites that make the exact claims I'm exposing.
You just need a bit of time and intellectual curiosity to see I'm right.
She also loves to write about hypocrisy judging her books.
The way JK used to say "I share experiences with transwomen on male violence" and now she goes to invalidate any discrimination and horrible things that happen to trans people.
That's because what she used to see as her tribe burned her at the stake, so now she embraces the views of her new friends. She might have always been unconciously transphobic, but she wouldn't get radicalized, if she wasn't proclaimed the transphobe de jour.
@@kikiTHEalien Then she's weak.
@@ustanchy869 - That's not the issue. Her views on the topic have never changed, she's against male perpetrators who use the laws to get out of punishment and make their way into spaces that have vulnerable women.
In the last few years, there has been a lot of very heavy handed legislation being proposed in Scotland (where Rowling lives) and her comments were about local legislation, but for some reason people all over the world are interpreting it as to mean they are comments about every part of the world.
It has been a very lengthy and very heated debate, and it has also included some very extreme propositions, such as the suggestion that Scotland should lose the age of consent meaning that any adult could have intercourse with a child of any age if the child agreed to it. These sort of suggestions, because they were so extreme, ended up creating and establishing a group of persons who began to campaign against the proposals, and all that time it was a political disagreement regarding local laws to Scotland only.
The reason why there is now trouble with regards to blockers being prescribed to children, is because that was the sentiment being used to argue that consent can be applied to other aspects of life if it is accepted for medical changes; beforehand it would require parental consent for medical intervention (outside of emergencies defined under the Offences Against the Person Act), but if that was being changed to allow children to consent without parental involvement then it was being argued there had to be limitations put in place to ensure that same legal principle could not be applied elsewhere such as the age of consent relating to intercourse.
Fast-forward about 6 years of people around the world not actually knowing what the subject matter is in the first place, because they've taken their news and information from random social media posts, and you then have this entire community berating her for something that wasn't even being discussed in the first instance.
The reason why there was an argument on s*x vs gender is because a different proposal was to remove all reference to the word s*x in law and replace it with gender identity; but the problem therein lies that through doing so all women would automatically lose legal protections and safeguards because of the Doctrine of Implied Repeal, and by the same brush it would have also had quite heavy effects on the gay and lesbian communities because there would no longer be any legal protections for same-s*x marriage.
But the vast majority of people who waded into the debate, who are not from Scotland or have any clue on what has been happening in Scotland in the last 10 years, have wrongly interpreted the entire discussion as if they are directly affected by it. But they're not.
If people are genuine about trans rights, then they really ought to pay more attention to those who are trying to hijack that process in order to implement very nefarious changes to legislation - and to be clear, this isn't the first time it's happened, because it also happened before with the gay rights movement and that is where the misconception about gays and predatory behaviour derived from, because the latter tried to convince everybody they were part of the former.
@@kikiTHEalien "transphobe de jour", it's "du jour" in french. I am fascinated by those people who are so weakly convinced by their political beliefs that they will change them just out of reactance to criticism... If you are not able to take criticism, maybe don't engage in political claims in public, it's better for you imho...
@@Kyrielsh1 that goes 2 ways, doesn’t it?
Sometimes I feel like J.K. Rowling believes that being a woman is trauma. Not that women are more likely to experience certain kinds of trauma, but that womanhood is inherently traumatic in a way that is particular to her…
My headcanon is that one day she will come out as a trans man and change her name to Robert and be happy
@@Ariel_is_a_dreamer Hopefully without changing her last name to Galbraith…
Man, that would be great, actually. Sucks to have a huge part of your childhood just retroactively ruined. Death of the author is possible, I guess, but for me it’s pretty difficult.
@@Ariel_is_a_dreamer Wow...
i think a lot of TERFs believe that tbf.
Perhaps GCs resent trans men in the same way that incels resent trans women.
When your gender is tied to suffering, escaping from those confining roles is "taking the easy way out", while suffering within them is a noble deed
@@IvanPopovArt plus death of the author feels like a grotesque theory to apply to literature which is the foundation for a hugely profitable franchise that continues to put money into the author's pocket .___.
the point about civil rights movements being sanitized as being completely non-violent reminds me of the argument about "parents' rights to choose what their children see" in school, from people who don't seem to realize that this was EXACTLY what bigots said about integrating black children into schools
Oh I straight up remember watching a documentary in my American history class where some white woman on some news broadcast in Little Rock or whatever was like, "What about _my_ rights?"
Sanitized history is SO dangerous!!!! It delegitimizes the methods that oppressed groups HAD to use to get a SLIVER of human rights.When violence is used against you at every turn, passivity WILL NOT WORK! A lot of people fail to understand that about like... any point in history. But the education system purposely sanitizes history for that reason, unfortunately.
My lawyer aunt in law and my pastor uncle (not her husband, his older brother lol) argued with my about gay rights vs religious rights at a family dinner once when I was like, 14, back in 2008. I was furious and did my best to argue that human rights trump religious rights. I'm proud of kid me lol
@@Kagomai15 it’s a shame that people can debate about a group of people’s rights to exist in society, but alas, this is the world we live in. Good on you for standing up for yourself!
The myth of people pretending to be trans to gain access to spaces where they can assault women and girls is also highly reminiscent of the moral panic surrounding integration that black men would enact widespread violence against white women and girls.
It is deeply surreal to me that some random wealthy cis lady in England thinks about trans people more than i typically do as a trans person, with trans friends, who dates trans people. Absolutely hog wild.
And then they go and claim that we make our gender identity into our only personality trait. Hog wild, indeed.
Oh shut up
You sound like a one-person mental conference in your own right.
@@Crumphorn You're salty they're getting more action than you.
Right? We have better things to do with our day than mouth breathe over our phones, doom scrolling for something to feel enraged by.
I miss the person I thought JK Rowling was when I was a child, and it's hard knowing that the kind, accepting woman I would have loved to have as an aunt was as fictional as the people on her pages. She would hate me and some of my dearest friends because of who we are, not any aspect of our character or our actions, which is in no small way distressing. I hope she stops letting all that irrational hate his her through life.
Nobody hates you.. People just don't want to base the words "men and women" on some abstract idea, they want to define it based on physical reality. if you painted stripes on a horse and told me to call it a zebra.. It'd still be a zebra and there is not hate behind that statement. Thats one of the reason trans ideology is so toxic. It is presenting society with this ridiculous ideology and calling everyone who doesn't buy into it hateful. But live how you want, dress how you want, call yourself what you want... but you can take that arrogant attitude , that says either I believe what you believe or I hate you, and keep it.
I mentioned the Holocaust denial thing to my dad in passing as he was making dinner and he stopped chopping carrots, looked me dead in the eye, and said with the most disbelieving severity I’ve ever heard from him, “No she did not.” It was beyond unfathomable for him
Tbf id have a hard time accepting it too
When I first saw the news I genuinely thought I was being baited. GCs agreeing with n@zis is nothing new*, but JKR specifically being one of _those_ types surprised me. ESP because shes literally pulled the "trans activists are just like nazis" before.
Guess that was projection??
*I used to be "gender critical". GCs have been veering away from feminism for years at this point. they hate gender nonconformity more than they care about women's rights at this point, and if that leads to collaborating with nahtzees then so be it.
I wasn’t that surprised. That kind of obsessive unhinged bigotry leads you to darker and darker places.
Honestly, I wasn't surprised. I wish I was.
I was not surprised at all. Modern anti-trans rhetoric was essentially created entirely by Nazis and other fascists in the early 20th century. Radfems jumped on the anti-trans train way way later, and had to adopt an ideology that was already infected with fascist ideas. The Venn diagram of anti-Semitism and transphobia is a circle.
the only two people I will ever listen to about J.K. Rowling at this point
My farts are better than Matt's farts.
Shauns analysis is pretty good too
@@strayiggytvand caelan conrad
@@babs_babsYes, I love Caelan. They would be an awesome trio 😇
Not me? 😂 I'm trans, too hahaha
Also a psychologist and did some stuff on extremism hahaha
Sad 🥲
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☠️ every time Natalie sardonically addresses Rowling as "Joanne"
One of the scariest most stressful things that have ever happened to me was being quote-tweeted by some republican senator with hundreds of thousands of followers, calling me a feminazi. I had less than 300 followers. Had to immediately delete my tweet but even then hundreds of conservatives have already found my twitter, spread it around, and were showing up in my DMs and replies calling me all sorts of things and harassing me endlessly.
I can't even _imagine_ going through the same thing, but this time it's JKR and her *fourteen million* followers. Jesus Christ.
The frustrating part of the “birthing person” argument is that it isn’t JUST for trans inclusion. “People with the capacity to give birth” can also included biologically female children. I’m sorry but when we’re talking about a child, I’m not going to call them a “woman” because some children get their period at 8 or 9. They now have the capacity to give birth but they are children!
Technically true, but children that age shouldn’t give birth. Their bodies might technically be capable of getting pregnant, but the childbirth process will severely debilitate or KILL them.
Maybe I'm being nitpickh, but seeing people refer to underage girls and boys as women and men has always irritated me
@@actualgoblin 1000% gives me the ick
Children who are just starting puberty CANNOT safely give birth. They may be able to conceive, but the process of natural childbirth will be either debilitating or fatal. Even a C-section would be dangerous at that age.
@@actualgoblin Yes, especially since people are very selective about which children they refer to as adults and which they recognize as children. Race, for instance, often plays a role.
I think Natalie can confirm that you're never really an ex-philosopher, just a recovering one.
Right, I was kind of confused by that because you can’t really *stop* being a philosopher…
Natalie is a professional gaslighter. She likes her women docile and kind and affirming her narcissism. At lunch, Have a salad, dear, watch your weight, and then we will shop for nail polish! lol
Your Philosophitis is in remission.
So now "natalie" is a therapist? lol
It's a struggle
Hi! I guess I'm not a Normal People because I am a queer femme person (she/they) who's pretty terminally online and leftist, but I am also a Gen X, Suburban Facebook Mom in a purple state, who's not so far from JKR's age, and has teen/tween kids (who were obsessed with HP not too long ago, until she started villainizing their friends). And I'm pretty sure my entire FB bubble would run off to join a commune with Natalie, given half the chance. ...We're not all down the rabbit hole, is what I'm saying.
Wish you were my mom ♥
@@TigerPrawn_ aw. I've got kind of mixed feelings about the whole "mom hugs" thing--it feels a little flippant, trying to put a bandaid on the very real and serious issue that everyone deserves to have loving, supportive, accepting parents. You deserve that. But if it helps, I'm sending you mom hugs, anyway. 💗💜💙
I’m similar to you except I’m also one of the dreaded ‘trans’ individuals (discovered late in life that I’m agender, which my trans kids gleefully pointed out made me ‘trans, Ma!’ ). I finally realised the agender thing while supporting one of my sons at a Trans day of celebration and listening to other trans stories- my son says the look of dawning realisation on my face was priceless. :)
JK Rowling is an absolute menace of a TERF, there’s no question of that, but there’s a lot of us Gen Xers who think she needs to be deplatformed and ignored on a massive scale. The irony of these individuals who refuse to recognise the same rhetoric and hatred of the past towards BIPOC, the LGBTQIA+ community, the disabled community, the demonisation of ANY minority…. Bleh.
Remember when JK shouted out Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
JK Umbridge and Bearded IDIOT. Truly, a match made in he11. /s
Thank you for mentioning Romani people when discussing those who were targeted by the holocaust. It's a small thing, but it's appreciated.
Omg, he did?? This obsession with the holocaust like there is a trans-genocide, they try so hard to make it as a collective hallucination... it is just so stupid, disrespectful and propagandish.. Oh, and you know about Romani: the holocaust was all about eugenetics, you know who is promoting and applying eugenetics today..... guess right
TRANS IDEOLOGY
im german and unfortunately they are still widely discriminated against in germany, ridiculed, excluded, and literally called a name that means travelling thieves :(
@@marykay7878 You aren't wrong about the discrimination but the thing you are alluding to is a commonly held but apocryphal folk-etymology. The word "Zigeuner" has nothing to do with "Zieh-Gauner" (compare for example the French cognate "tsigane", which seems unlikely to have been adopted from a German term), although the exact etymology is unclear, and given the history I kind of doubt it comes from anything good.
@@timseguine2 the fact that romani people themselves say over and over again that they consider this term derogatory, and the descendents of the nazis still use it to describe descendents of romani people who were held in internment camps says enough about the treatment and status of romani people
@@marykay7878 "Zigeuner", which is a name also used by some members of ciganic communities, only for racists was given the back-etymology of "ziehender Gauner". It comes from Greek Athingani, which means "people who aren't allowed to touch" because of ritual purity commandments in their original religious practices.
"Rom" for many is the name one member of a cigan community can call another member, but nobody outside of the community is allowed to. In German cigan communities, a "Rom" also is somebody from an immigrated community, while native communities are called their endonyms like "Sinti", "Manouche" or the like.
Note: Never call anyone "Sinti und Roma". If they are a Sinti, call them "Sinti". If they are Eastern-European Romani, call them "Rom". If they are Manouche, call them "Manouche".
Or do something totally revolutionary: ASK them how they want you to call them. And, harken, you will hear "Zigeuner" as often as "Sinti" or just "Mr/Mrs Reinhardt".
Oh, and... calling "Zigeunersauce" "Ungarische Sauce" is as bad as calling Kletzmer Music "Deutsche Musik". Cigan poeples in Hungaria are discriminated against and have lost a lot. Don't take their dishes from them and attribute them to their persecutors.
Speaking of Vladimir Putin, I have spoken to many Russian women who say that domestic violence is basically no longer a crime in Russia because of Putin's policies. So you would think that a survivor like JKR would be a bit more upset about him praising her.
😬😬😬 That’s so bad.
As a russian woman - can confirm. It’s bad.
The incredible irony of p*tin praising JK was NOT lost on me. It was like a fever dream. He was in his “gender ideology bad” era before he entered his yet another “war criminal” era
Let's jsut forget the money she gave to Ukraine. She will always be an eternal enemy to you people. Nothing is ever good enough.
JK Rowling is both too comfortable in her privilege and too laser focused on transphobia to care at this point.
She WAS extremely upset. She told him to piss off very directly on Twitter. She is also constantly talking about the Ukraine!
Look, there are legitimate grievances to be had with Rowling but the unbelievable way people just ignore what she’s actually saying is so counterproductive. Contra and this guy are wrong- she talks about tons of stuff, including, like, her charity work, on Twitter, aside from her trans campaign. If you’re going to come after her, you should do it directly and without distorting what she actually said. It just allows your opponents to poke holes in your arguments.
The absolute irony that JKR outing herself as a TERF all those years ago is what lead to me looking into trans people and realizing I'm not cis, will never not be funny to me. So, I guess... thanks, JKR, for helping me realize I'm agender?
And to be clear, I always supported trans people, I just decided I wanted to be more educated to be a more active ally.
Honestly, as a chaos gremlin living in the gender identity dumpster fire, I stopped referring to JKR and her ilk as "TERFs" around the time when I realized that her ilk were embracing the term... These days, I instead just tend to refer to them as "FARTs" (Feminism-Appropriating Radical Transphobes). It robs them of dignity, is WAY more accurate a descriptor for what they are, and it's fun to boot.
JK Rowling is the best. I'll be supporting her more in the future.
Natalie unpacking why Rowling's Holocaust denial tweet(s) are indeed exactly that, was really helpful to hear articulated. I can admit I struggled to fully grasp it myself, because while intellectually I already knew her claims were bullshit, emotionally I was far more accustomed to seeing Holocaust denial in the vein of "there's no way 6 million people could have been systematically murdered" (downplaying the numbers and industrial scale) or even "the Nazis didn't directly kill Jews, they just put them to work and some of them died" (obscuring the genocidal intent of those forced labor initiatives), so the reality check on that point was greatly appreciated.
Man, am I glad that fantastic beasts got canceled, because can you imagine this person writing a movie set during ww2 ?
"Grindelwald had a point, actually" - JK Rowling someday soon
@@ZijnShayatanica It's even worse because the story is set before ww2 and Gridewhatshisface can see the future, so what he wants to do is, and I'm not kidding, stop it from happening, the bad guy's evil plan is to avoid world war 2, not cause it, but the story frames it as bad because ...it's wrong to interfere with humans affairs?...he might be lying? It's unclear.
@@ZijnShayatanicababe didn’t Grindie want to *stop* WW2 from happening? And didn’t that make him the bad guy in FB1?
Cuz I remember that being a plot point and it was _bonkers_
@@lanaharper9798 WAIT, WHAT. Man, I need to at least take a cursory glance over that lore to confirm... Because last I knew, Grindelwald = shitheel because of wanting wizards to rule over every other race/creature. But if THAT HAPPENED?! Wow... What exactly would that be meant to achieve? "He wasn't evil - just a complicated guy"??
@@ZijnShayatanica I think it’s worse than that!! I don’t think it was “Grindelwald is Complicated,” I think it was “Grindelwald is scary evil because he wants to take over the world and stop WW2!” That’s how bonkers it was!
As a trans man, contrapoints THANK YOU for validating trans men in the way that you have means SO much because we are so constantly ignored in this.
Transgender men are hugely important in getting trans rights acceptance. I often think if it wasn't for trans men trans rights would not have gained any support. We need to have more trans men being at the front line . Us transwomen have a very difficult time pushing trans rights because the hate against what they perceive as the feminine male , is so entrenched in their mindset. They want the transwomen to be the aggressor. If there is agressive demonstration id prefer the transman be the louder voices to counter that narrative the anti trans movement projects of the aggressive transwoman ala it's ma'am.
We are protesting the wrong way. The terfs set us up to take bait when they have an open air meeting. They are hoping to trick transwomen into acting aggressively. MLK did the same thing in bensonhurst and Selma. We need to do as MLK and have peaceful silent protests linking arms in areas that are bastions of right wing thought like Tallahassee. We need to not resist if they atack us. Perhaps mabey the transgender can do the resistance. Most importantly as MLK knew, those images have to go out around the world
you aren't targeted nearly as much as trans women though
@@Neonrain08 great thing to say after a trans boy was murdered recently. and ignoring the corrective r@pe rates we go through. our erasure hurts us. it doesn't mean we don't have problems, it means people ignore our problems
Echoing Francis' comment 💯%
@@Neonrain08How does OP's comment invalidate this point, exactly? Trans women are more disposed to suffering violence, but the erasure of trans men is just as legitimate. There's no reason to pit one type of oppression against another.
Something that gets me is this… even if we only focus on cis women and girls: do they all menstruate? are they all currently menopausal? are they all able to become pregnant? are they all lactating? If a fucking document says that some sort of medication is for “those going through menopause” or “menopausal people” or something, would a terf start foaming at the mouth to say “onLy WoMen gO thRouGh menOpaUse!! JuSt saY WoMen!!” as if that treatment weren’t for a specific condition that not all women are going through.
Exactly the mother of my child had to take meds to stop it cause she was getting anemia. She now doesn't menstruate at all. So I guess she's not a woman.
Never let reality get in the way of rhetoric. [/s]
The whole backlash over pronouns just seems absurd. It's not coercion to be expected to call someone how they want to be called -- it's just common courtesy.
That's too much for some people
I'm not calling someone they. That's t@rded
No. Just common madness in some social bubbles.
I'm not changing my language, because some nitwit decided to turn the concepts of men and women into an idea, instead of it actually reflecting actual reality. You don't let idiots steer the ship. You reject the stupidity. If I met a trans person and they were respectful, I would probably avoid pronouns and just use there name... But I'd make that decision on a case by case basis and if asked would be honest about my feelings.
I'd probably avoid pronouns all together and just use names if I met a trans person... But I think it is asking too much to expect people to go along with an ideology they don't believe in, that is harmful to society. You might not see it, but I do... And if that trans person did not like the fact that I define the words men and women based on physical reality and not an abstract idea... then we probably wouldn't have much to talk about anyways, and would go our seperate ways.
My self care is blocking JK Rowling on twitter
My self care was deleting twitter 😅
She blocked me after I (a Melbourne resident) informed her, very politely, that she’s mistaken about the Melbourne protest and the Nazi was in fact on the TERF side of the police line.
@@WeiYinChan Classic Jo 🙄
@@WeiYinChanhonestly, take her blocking you as a badge of honour.
@@WeiYinChan Yeah, she is a bit confused on... well... reality.
It was maybe 2016, when a young girl tweeted at jk asking her “how come dumbledore is gay there was never anything about it in the book?” And jk FLIPPED at her and sent people her way to bully her. That was the day I lost all respect. Amen
Yeah, she's been trash for a while - she's just finished peeling her mask off now.
Where can I find out more about this?
I remember this. I saw the whole thing unfold. It’s when I realized she’s the furthest thing from a gay ally, and that was before her public transphobic meltdown.
I was there when this happened. It really erased any doubt that I had about her feelings towards LGBT people. That’s why this recent prejudice from her didn’t really surprise me.
Havent been on twitter for many years so I am not sure. At one point jk started claiming Dumbledore is gay, and I think it was fair for people to ask why this was not mentioned in the books. Jk just wanted a token gay character without writing a gay character into a story...
I hate how she keeps playing the victim, despite being a celebrity, and also a billionaire. Like, doesn’t she realize that SHE is the establishment now?
She’s still correct. ContraPoints is a man.
She has the power dynamic, but acts like shes little Joanne from Edinburgh. Shes literally whipping up her followers to attack. she is the bully.
It’s giving narcissist Ngl
Cry more.
@@zenster1097I mean, that's literally what Joanne is doing
Feel compelled to report that as someone who was pregnant and gave birth a year and a half ago, no one ever, not once, not for medical purposes, not even for fun referred to me a "birthing person" or as a "menstruating person." People getting upset about these terms are upset about arguments they're having in their minds.
Yeah, seems like mostly brain worms
It's not the same thing at all and I don't want to come across as equating them, but:
I work as a guitar teacher and I mostly teach people who play right handed. However, after coming into contact with enough people who play left handed, I've had to switch from saying "left hand" to saying "fretting hand", and saying "right hand" to saying "picking hand". It's just more inclusive, and more accurate, language. To deny that, or to start making up horrific phrases like "left identifying right handed" just shows a complete unwillingness to understand the complexities of reality.
As a trans person (and former guitar teacher), this is a really nice analogy. You can take it further by adding that, until fairly recently, students were forced to play 'right handed'.
Could also imagine someone arguing that "there are only 12 notes", ignoring that those 12 notes change based on tunings and temperament, or that other cultures have more than 12 notes.
no this is a really solid comment. people need to be able to relate thesd things to concepts they already understand. great work
@@_allegra Yeah, but there are only 2 sexes. Only 2 gametes. There's no such thing as a 3rd or 20th type of gamete.
@@Mr_user_1000in any given social interaction how often do you interact with the other person’s gametes? Talk about the other person’s gametes? Think about the other person’s gametes?
Completely well adjusted behavior. Lovely way to organize a society.
@@saoirsecameron Huh? Lol try using logic, dude.
i see myself as a very progressive & open minded cis dude but I draw the line at having your laptop almost hanging halfway over the tables edge
right? It was giving me low-key anxiety the whole video.
Wow..are you bored or what? 😂
I just realized that omg 😭😭 WHY IS IT LIKE THAT
@@efflorescentcrystal how do you cope with everyday life?!! 🤯😱🫤
24:40 - "A lot of what privilege is, is blindness to your own power" Oooooh, very banger line!
As someone in the field of biology seeing someone complain that an ALIEN character has nonbinary pronouns and that it must have a "mama" is a massive facepalm moment.
Let's put aside the difference between human sex, it's phenotuypic variation ranges, and the neuronal and psychological complexity of human gender, gender identity and gender expression, because I NEED to focus on that alien bit.
They're offended that an alien is not a product of binary sexual reproduction as if it's a law of the universe we would find wherever we find life.
However, if we were to come back down to reality and leave her world of mad ravings we would quickly see that life on this planet alone has no standard mode of reproduction, even among chordates that our species belongs to. Hell, I've worked on chordates that just swap sex, yes, fish are directly related to us and a bunch of them transition like it's nothing! And they're relatively close enough our hormones can be used to make them spawn eggs.
And if we go out of chordates we see flat out chaos.
And yet this bozo expects ALIENS, FKIN LIFEFORMS THAT EVOLVED UNDER A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT, WITH COMPELETELY DIFFERENT BASIC CELL BIOLOGY TO US, DIFFERENT BASE CHEMICAL PROPCESSES, ETC, to follow the same mode of reproduction of humans?
Gods, they truly are insane.
PS: for some reason my internal voice was in a screaming scottish accent as I was typing this despite being of greek descent.
I love Natalie's home decor, I would love a library like that.
She’s classic ❤
I love when folks aren't afraid to go with their dream decor, regardless of whether or not it's trendy. Having the means to do so helps, of course, but it's surprising how many people are willing to stifle their creativity in the name of being "real adults".
It’s so cozy❤
Is the style called tacky American?
Its really cozy!
The whole “validating trans people invalidates me” is a classic example of the zero-sum thinking of the political right: everything one group gains, another must lose. We’ve seen it elevated in recent years to an outright rejection of all pluralism in American rightist politics: secularism erases Christianity, gay rights erase straight rights, allowing other forms of social organization than the patriarchal nuclear family of the 19th and 20th centuries destroys patriarchal nuclear families, and so on. The idea that different modes of living can coexist is simply not valid in their minds, and in fact is proof of a *lack* of freedom, since under conditions of true freedom only *my* preferred lifestyle would be possible!
I'm an old hetero cis woman and mother. I remember very clearly how I heard the first time "person with a uterus" and "birthing person".
When I was pregnant decades ago I was in the middle of finishing an academic education. I hid my pregnancy as long as I could because I knew people would instantly stop caring about my studies and start seeing me only as a "uterus filled with child".
That's the way it turned out to be. Suddenly everything I had cared for so deeply for so many years went up in smoke and "conversations" only circled around my growing belly.
I love my kid to bits.
But that moment when I heard 'person with a uterus " and "birthing person " made me cry with relief. Suddenly I felt validated again. Here was a language that recognized me first and foremost as a person and didn't reduce me to one aspect of my biology only. Since then I think of myself like that and it feels healing!
This is a very valid observation and a generalizable trend.
@@jibberism9910 yeah, natural law and the metaphysical order and stuff.
@@megded1 It's about as clear cut as it gets. But by all means, keep pushing.
@@jibberism9910 yeah, I mean, I’ve read Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, etc., and taking their words as empirical truth, it is indeed spelled out in the cosmic order.
I gave birth on January 29th and... LOL. What are these fools on about? The lactation class opened with a statement about inclusive language and how it's okay to use, but they used it maybe one time in ten in the actual class. My nice lesbian nurse at the hospital wanted to know about my experience with IVF, and one of the technicians admitted to reading HP fanfic in a "stick it to JKR" way. My IVF clinic caters heavily to queer couples. But the language of pregnancy = WOMANHOOD was still all over everything from the books in the clinic waiting room to how people talk colloquially. My nonbinary friend keeps getting "Mom"-ed by nurses who fail to read the chart. And this is an area where they're trying hard to be more inclusive and to overtly mention non-women doing all these things. Unless the problem is literally hearing "chest feeding" in place of "breast feeding" ONE TIME out of the hundreds the latter comes up during one's experience, there is just nothing here. You have to be awfully insecure to think that women are being excluded.
Chest feeding sounds bizarre considering that all humans have a breast (i guess unless they’re a disembodied head). Like look at chris evans. The manliest guy around and he has better tiddies than me
You know, for a so called 'feminist' I think it's fascinating that most of the main players in her beloved series were men, and her pen name for her mystery novels is masculine as well.
Feminism is when female authors only have overwhelming female casts?
@@alexbennet4195 No of course not but superfilcomix is right about the pen name.
@@poppie267 feminism is when women writers can only have a female pseudonym?
@@alexbennet4195 Yup.
@alexbennet4195 I wouldn't really say that- I just think it's funny that someone who's idea of feminism excludes transwomen and is so militantly protective of women's spaces on the internet writes mostly about men and wants a pen name that presents as male. It's weird to me that she spends so much time championing these beliefs online, but somehow, her work is mostly about men.
Sure, she can have any pen name she wants, and it's fine to write about men- I just think it's hilarious that she views transwomen as men invading womanhood, but wanted to be perceived as a man before it was revealed to be her pen name. It feels ironic. She presents womanhood as a very exclusive expirence that is important to her, but you don't really see that in her work.
Then again, I'm critical of Rowling because I don't agree with trans exclusionary radical feminism, which is the type of feminism she endorses.
There was a call for “person who had a baby, and was called birthing person” hello yes that was me. I am at fault here. I am Non-binary and 3 years ago asked the nurses to use they/them pronouns (which they largely did) and the dr referred to me as “the birthing parent” because that was me: the parent giving birth.
I was Not called a uterus haver or person who menstruates when I had to go back to the hospital this year to have my gallbladder out. This time they referred to me by my name- and still they/them pronouns (heck yea UCLA).
You’re a woman giving birth
What a lovely story that perfectly illustrates how fucking easy this all would be if everyone was just normal about it
@@Mr_user_1000 they are just breathing, sir.
@@Mr_user_1000 you're just tired.
@@Mr_user_1000go back to bed, grandparent.
Historian here: Other than men, women were not marked with the pink triangle as "homosexual" in concentration camps, but if their queerness was known, the SS registered them as "lesbians" nevertheless, even though, as Natalie said, they were categorised mostly as "anti-social" or "criminal" (the accusation being illegal prostitution). Queer women were not as systematically persecuted as men though because gay men were seen as a threat to the prosperity and continuity of the "aryan race", whereas women were only seen as objects anyway and were denied an own separate sexuality independent from men and apart from their duty to reproduce children for the Führer.
You mean they werent persecuted IN THE SAME WAY as men. if they were considered objects, denied rights, and were subjected to violence and death, they were still persecuted. This is such a shitty point to make
@@theemeraldhour Sorry, I am not a native English speaker and obviously did not express myself correctly, my bad! With the phrase "whereas women were only seen as objects" I did not - by all means! - want to say the treatment of queer women was not as horrible as the one of men, it just came out wrong. I wanted to say that while queer men's sexuality was seen as a threat to the "Aryan race", queer women's sexuality wasn't acknowledged at all.
Let me rephrase the paragraph above: ... whereas women were seen as objects anyway and were denied an own seperate sexuality...
I hope this makes it clearer what I wanted to say in the first place! Just cross out the "only", l think that was what created the misunderstanding! Sorry!
You expressed yourself well. That other person was just looking for a fight
@@olivia_maimai a lot of native english speakers will confuse 'systemic' and 'systematic', and (outside of looking for a fight) that could be what happened in that initial response. because "systemic" and "systematic" can bleed into each other, i think thats partly why this happens (they also sound similar and i cant imagine that helps), but your original post was fine.
@@Vexxa_ Nah, they're just being reactive for no justifiable reason.
The interesting thing about JK is she talks a big game about bigotry and rights but when you actually read her later books: the wizarding world is revealed to be pretty messed up in its oppression of non-magic users and non-humans. There are hints of awareness of this and she almost goes somewhere t but....never does. Harry doesn't think too much about injustice. Hermione's campagn for the house elfs is treated as a joke and at the end the goal is to maintain the status quo. She's completely uninterested in the deeper issues of the world shes created aside from her heavy handed dementors metaphor and the denger to the main characters. She's a children's book author who tried to write YA but couldn't.
I also saw on Tumblr that she keep calling babys fat in her later non Potter books.
It's also to note that lore regarding the future if the Wizarding world indicates that nothing is done.
Slaves are treated a little nicer, but are still categorically slaves. Magic is still withheld from muggle populations that it could help. Muggles are still looked down upon...
Harry and Hermione became the government and yet did little to change things for the better.
@@the_last_ballad Some of her bootlickers defend it with being realistic and that chance take time 🤣Yeah 19 YEARS is indeed to fast 😂J.K.Terf simply did not care to resolved them it is as simple as that
so what? She has her opinion and you have yours. Move on already and dont be a fascist.
@@purefoldnz3070 Too bad she does not have just an opinion my dear idiotic friend she is downright cruel.
I like the term “people who menstruate” because i started menstruating when i was 10. Most people start menstruating when they are children. “People who menstruate” includes children as well as women, trans men and non-binary people.
And people who stop menstruating
@@olakeska7908 does it? Because if I hear “people who menstruate” I would assume I’m not it, despite having lost liters throughout my life.
@@hamster4618 yes it says people who are after menopause are not it
Did they still have period? No
Did they magicly stopped to be woman (or not woman in some cases)? No
They just not menstruating anymore. They are not people who menstruate
Sorry. I wrote it in the middle of the night. I mean it exclude
@@olakeska7908 yes, so not people who stop menstruating. You suggested they were included in your first reply)
The point I like to make about that Rajan tweet incident... That's her generalising away from transphobia all the way to general homophobia/queerphobia. Becuase at that point she's saying that if you are LGBT+ you're a negative in society.
the wild thing about that tweet (aside from it existing at all) is how she doesn't seem to understand that there are women in the LGBTQ+ community....
Honestly I’m not surprised to see this “evolution” of her. It’s the logical next step. Like this video said, all her rhetoric has been used again the LGBTQ+ community before. She’s pushing for gender conformity basically. Queer folks just don’t fit into that framework. As a butch lesbian, her “public washroom stance” makes me scared and angry.
Rajan is a real walking, living, breathing W.
@@daniellahn5127oh no, im positive she understands. She just doesnt give a shit. Shes rich enough to be able to show her true colours (i hate everybody who isnt exactly like me) without having it ruin her life and shes loving it.
@@alexs.5871 Good for her, at least some people can't be coerced to bow to your ideology.
The irony is that the same Christians who, twenty years ago were campaigning against Harry Potter because it was ‘evil’ and promoted ‘witchcraft’ to children are now fully on board with Joanne and her views, and the craziest part is she now loves them too, because they all do the same thing - complain about trans people online
Like the liberals who loved her books and are now saying they weren't actually that good 😂
@@Mr_user_1000I hated them even back when they were bigger than Jesus.
@@Mr_user_1000 I never liked them much. The movies were better, but then that's because they had _actual writers_ helping.
Want to see JKR's unfiltered nonsense on screen? Look no further than the floptastic Fantastic Beasts.
@@tjenadonn6158 They have pretty solid worldbuilding, honestly. JK Rowling is genuinely a master at constructing a fantasy world.
@@Mr_user_1000 I'm non-binary and I still love her books. I will not give her more money though, my childhood books are enough.
I'll confess that I'm addicted to the JKR saga because I, as a cis-woman who has suffered under the patriarchy and empathises with men who have suffered under toxic masculinity, can't believe she is co-opting feminism wholesale to enact her bigotry on trans people and have us all be categorised by the contents of our pants. And this from an author who wrote an entire book series about fighting against prejudice and discrimination! I can't get my millennial head around it. Being a woman makes me want to fight tooth and nail for all women and oppressed people generally, whether cis-gender, trans or intersex and all races, religions and minorities. I can't believe JKR and her cronies are perverting feminism into a twisted source of bigotry and that the colours of the suffragettes are now the TERFs' banner. The TERFs are now even fighting the right wing's body control battles for them! It's disgusting and as feminists we need to recognise that part of our battle is now to fight the anti-trans movement. Sending all trans people my allyship and support ❤
I’m only 20 min in so you might address this point later, but it’s always struck me as odd that the people who take offence at phrases like ‘people with cervixes’ seem to be the ones who use such phrases as their own tacit definitions of ‘women’. It makes it seem as though they use the word ‘women’ as a shorthand or euphemism for something they find deeply offensive, which is an odd take.
If you spend too much time thinking about it, you'll realise that the phrase 'pregnant women' is quite redundant in a GC framework
Sure, they could argue it's designed to distinguish between those women who are currently pregnant and those who are not, but given that 'only women can get pregnant', why not simply start using pregnant as a noun in its own right?
When she says "churches became more on fire than they previously had been", I'm thinking of an act of the holy ghost, a spiritual revival, people dancing and speaking in tongues, miracles happening.
and yet there's still people that will tell you she isn't transphobic and loves trans people lol
What does “transphobic” mean to you?
She isn’t transphobic though lmao
They still use that stupid lie from 4 years ago where she said that she would be march with trans people.
@@rhymerlegend2717 yeah I’m sure she really loves trans people and will march for their rights if being trans was made 100% illegal in the UK
@@alexbennet4195 didn’t she misgender a random UK trans comedian multiple times
As a trans man, thank you for mentioning the damage TERF rhetoric does to us. It seems to me that the left forgets that when Rowling talks about “girls” she means trans men and boys. We meet her on her own terms, we say “no, those girls are making their own decision, they’re not being hoodwinked” and not “those aren’t girls”
Personally, I'm no longer a fan of the "TERF" expression. Especially since JKR and her ilk wholeheartedly embraced it. Instead, I've much-more-so become a fan of using the much less dignified, far more accurate, and also much funnier expression "FART" (Feminism-Appropriating Radical Transphobe).
omg the damage of women having free speech and a mind of their own! How dare they think for themselves!
It's a problem when debunking and especially with engaging with conspiracy talk; the words they use mean such different things to them you CAN'T simply engage without understanding the multiple meanings.
@@GrahamChapmanyou guys talk like scientologists
@@stevencoardvenice And you remind me of something I read just a few months ago: Anti-intellectualism has been on the rise in atheist circles lately. What anti-intellectual atheists call "rationality" is an impoverished way of understanding the world that excludes meanings and values, and so they have an aversion to fields like theology, psychology, philosophy, the humanities, social sciences, etc, and don't regard them as "real [science]" or "true" -- in this way, those atheists do not differ in any meaningful way from religious nutters who argue that their god is the one true god... Maybe it'd behove you to read a few articles on the subject (e.g., Paul Mayer's "Anti-Intellectualism in New Atheism and the Skeptical Movement") before you fall down that pothole yourself?
27:50 this is spot on- it's crazy how most billionaires never choose to fight world hunger or cancer 😔 they rather fight trans people or bipoc people
The idea that the Civil RIghts movement was non-violent... Ah yes, the famous Malcolm X quote, "the ballot or the... ballet. We're just gonna dance the oppression away."
I really like the MLK quote "Raising one's voice a little bit, but not so much as to come across as rude, is the language of the unheard."
JKR has always been so weird about thinking shes right all the time like even with innocuous stuff like ideas she has or had for the wizard books and movies she will say that she'd planned it all along for 20 years even though she very clearly hadn't. like there's nothing wrong with having a new idea for your characters or stories, every writer does, theres no reason to be so weird and claim you've been masterminding everything since you were inside a birthing person
"The womb" would be a better fit than "birthing person".
That term has its place, but it doesn't really fit this context.
@@the_last_ballad dude that's the joke
One of Katy Montgomery's terf wars episodes talked about the "birthing person" thing. Literally the hospital trust (either east or west sussex in the UK) made a point of saying that the vast majority of people are going to be called mothers, but occasionally you'll get NB and Trans men, as well as cis women who don't want to be thought of as a mother (eg they're a surrogate or don't plan on keeping the child) so have"gender additive" language in your back pocket for those situations. No one could read that press release and honestly say that that was replacing the term "mother". You can only get to that claim dishonestly...
Petition to stop calling them "terfs" (seeing as they've embraced that title anyway) and start referring to Rowling and her ilk as "farts" (Feminism-Appropriating Radical Transphobes) instead?
@@GrahamChapman I'd side with caelan conrad in that we should call them what they want to be called (aka GCs) until they start to i sist that GC is a slur
@@geraintthomas4343 a GC known in my social circles genuinely got mad at me for repeatedly referring to her as a 'woman' because I was 'clearly doing it to be derogatory'...
... this is after she'd protested to bring referred to as a cis woman, because that too was a slur apparently. Some people just want to be the victim
@@cyber_rachel7427that's fair. It does make dodging the practical accusations about what they're doing harder imo.
@@geraintthomas4343 nah, "gender critical" softens their hate speech, and allows them to frame themselves as "critics" and not bigots. It's like how calling yourself "pro-life" implies that the other side is "pro-death". They talk about this concept at the beginning of the video when they discuss JK reframing the discussion over and over to be milder than what her actual accusations were.
as a history masters student literally writing my thesis on the the civil rights and black power movement i am aghast to think anyone could ever think those movements were nonviolent completely. nonviolence was a principle many had and worked to some degree, but definitely not everyone used nonviolence and all progress was definitely not without some threats of violence if justice was not served. even the nonviolent were constantly accused of committing violence (which is literally what i feel like is happening with most in the trans community rn. like posting about trans rights on twitter and how you want your pronouns to be used correctly is not violence. even suggesting someone should be fired for being bigoted in my opinion is not violence. that’s asking for accountability. ANYWAYS)
Unfortunately now, workplaces in the UK are not allowed to fire someone for having terf views, it became a protected beleif D:
Ana does not remember that men threw the same tantrum when people started using inclusive language when referring to "doctors" or "pilots"...
Police officers. Fire fighters. Letter carriers.
I kind of miss "aviatrix," though.
Oh god, this tantrum is currently thrown in Germany so motherfucking hard. And Twitter makes it so much worse.
@@floraposteschild4184 “maintenance hole.” yes.
@@ateisate7270One word: Bavaria ...
@@susanne5803 I know, I live there...
Birthing person is wrong but sperm donor is okay? Not all medical terminology is degrading. In this example, if its degrading to term, then why not the other? 🤔
Excellent point
Oh yea.. like that’s been a term for a long time.
Also, "person with a prostate" is also used to include trans people but weirdly I never see any terf talking about it, they're just acting like neutral language is only used for setting they associate with women
Yeah because normal dads are totally referred to as ‘sperm donors’. Honestly none of you ppl can critically think at ALL to the point of making points which don’t even make sense, and the fact that you’re brainwashed 💀
It's me! _Sperm man!_
Im glad Contrapoints brought up immediately that it's morbidly fascinating to watch her do this and take her career in this direction. I tune into this as an ally (cis, het, male), it doesn't directly involve me and yet i can't help but pay attention to this one person's decent into unhinged obsession. Morbid fascination is very apt for how this topic feels to me.
Love it, the whole point of the "holding the mic" aesthetic is to look unpolished and home-made, and here's Natalie holding a Zoom H6 Pro like a Queen! ❤
Mother has returned as an official Twilight CZcamsr ✨I’m living✨
My farts are better than Matt's farts.
✨ Sliving ✨
Her Twilight video is her best yet. I avoided watching it for a bit, thinking I had heard everything there was to hear about Twilight -- boy was I wrong! My new favorite video to relisten to.
I birthed a human in 2020, and I have no memory of terms like "birthing person" being bandied about the delivery room. I also wouldn't have memory of it because I spent those nine hours either: in pain, sleep deprived, or drugged out of my gourd. I cannot imagine a scenario where I would have given a rat's ass that someone called me a "birthing person" in that context.
Birthing person is only ever used to talk about populations, not individuals. It's a way to include people who are not women who are pregnant in discussions around pregnancy and birth, not to describe a specific person.
Bigots jump at every opportunity to attack and invalidate groups they see as below them. The entire reason why people get upset over the most trivial things associated with trans people is because of their habit of not wanting to give any marginalized group legitimacy. They must be kept at the fringes and cannot be accepted (in the bigots mind). Bigotry is very common and and normalized. I would argue it is in fact the norm, still today, to enforce a strict in-group ideology while being vitriolic and hostile to any group deemed on the outside.
My farts are better than Matt's farts.
That perspective is unsurprising because you, unlike 99.9% of GCs, have your fkn priorities straight, lmao
If you identify as a woman and the staff know that then there’s no reason why they would have to call you a “birthing person” I don’t think. There are more personal words they could use
Actually it’s surprising how many people have no idea that JK is a huge bigot. I mentioned it to my brother and he was like “isn’t she super liberal like didn’t she make that guy gay” I was like oh my god not everyone knows 😊
Love her
Probably because they don’t think she is. She’s fine with letting people live as they please. Only if it comes to women’s rights does she address it. But apparently one isn’t allowed to be feminist anymore without being called “Terf”.
Not many news sources will report honestly on her bigotry for the risk of lawsuits, so thanks to her power and wealth, many are kept clueless about her intentions.
26:34 Rajan is my Neighbor! He's Sri Lankan Tamil and a really nice guy! Next time I see him i'll show the clip of both of you talking about him lol his little bit of internet fame!
J.K. Rowling can’t say “I’m only advocating for women’s safety” when she supports Maya Forstater’s harassment of a trans woman in her workplace and subsequently Maya’s article labeling all trans women as sexual predators. That’s not “concerned with women’s safety,” that’s just slander and prejudice against a group of people.
But like, unless someone is actually harassing someone, regardless of what orientation they are, it’s still just as important, but just lying about being harassed to make it look like a group of people are a bunch of bad people is really bad
But that person that Maya was supposedly harassing isn't even trans though. He kept changing his gender often, but had gotten female employee of the month which doesn't make sense to normal people.
I think a better example would’ve been her giving props to KJK and Matt Walsh when the former is a Nazi and the latter wants everything transgender banned
@@elsagrakin2570Citation?
@@Scaryspider555 No one lied about being harassed, we could all see the harassment happening online. And then Maya wanted to act like she was the victim instead of the perpetrator that she was. Gross.
Hi! I just discovered your channel, and I really appreciated the discussion you had here. I am a mom of a non-binary kiddo who spent one year from hell repeatedly trying to unalive themself. There've been hospitals, therapists, psychiatrists, and kiddo is doing fairly well now. But I swear, I cannot see Joanne or any TERFs arguments as anything other than a literal threat against my child and everyone like them who does not conform to a narrow gender binary that science has long ago proven not to exist.
I appreciate you so much. I'm going to look at your older videos when I have the chance.
Im very glad your kid has you
Personally, I no longer refer to Rowling and her ilk as "TERFs" -- especially after seeing that they had no problems with embracing the term as a mark of pride... Instead, I've much-more so become a fan of referring to them as "FARTs" (Feminism-Appropriating Radical Transphobes)... The anagram robs them of their dignity and it better describes what they actually are, too... Plus, it's funnier. See if your child is a fan of calling Rowling an old FART.
wishing you and your kid the very best of luck, and sending you all some good, hopeful vibes from a 28 year old non-binary kiddo who's made it to the other side. there's friends, experiences, love and joy to to be had! thanks for being a loving mom to your kid
Can you imagine having JK Rowling in your personal life? She *never* admits to making mistakes, always has to feel like she’s right. No wonder she’s unhappy. She probably pushes everyone away with her terrible personality
Ad hominem arguments don't help anybody's cause. We are all JK Rowling in someone's life about some topic
Love, love JK Rowling. More power to her.
I feel very gratified that Contrapoints, a very famous person who talks for a living, uses the same microphone stand as me, haha.
Most of my brain is thinking about what to say, but part of my brain is trying not to change my face’s distance to the mic.
"People who menstruate" also makes it clear that it doesn't mean biological girls that don't yet menstruate and it doesn't mean biological women after menopause etc. It's just a precise medical term.
No, it's not. Smh
Who cares? Normal people can understand the context, we don't need highly precise language in daily life.
@@Mr_user_1000 I think the original context wasn't normal conversation, but about some medical study? I'd had to look it up again.
@@blenderpanzi I think they were talking about hospitals. If a doctor says "the woman" or "the mother" in a maternity everybody knows they're talking about a human being who's there to give birth. No need to say "birthing person" because it's more "inclusive".
If some trans person feels offended they're being dumb.
@@Mr_user_1000 Ok, I looked it up again. It was in an article that was about menstruation hygiene. I.e. about hygiene for when people menstruate. Not for another point in time. It was written by experts on the subject, not normal conversation, not even journalism as such. And it did talk about "the menstrual health and hygiene needs of girls, women, and all people who menstruate". And that phrasing is now bad why? The article mentions "women" 10 times, "girls" 6 times, "people" 5 times, "persons" 2 times.
39:25
"Churches...became *more* on fire..."😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have to contradict that part of JK was a universally loved figure. As someone who read two of her books and all the movies I have to say she's always been this way. She based two characters Snape and the pink teacher off of two teachers she disliked. Two words: Cho Chang. The way she portrayed a mythical race of people as a happy race of enslaved servants. The way she retconned Dumbledore being gay but never created nor elaborated on that. The fact that she had werewolf be an allegory for AIDs like seriously what. One word: Slytherin. Her conduct on Twitter is not surprising because she has no interest in being called out on her BS. She's always been this way this time she can't hide behind her fiction world and use it as an excuse.
It was her disgusting way of writing the Slytherins especially the children what makes me reallise just what a hatefull person she is. If HP is about love than why did she created them out of petty school grudes ? Oh and the ways she loves to bash other female characters with no remorse.
If JK Rowling ends up responding to tweets with barely any views, I'm pretty sure she has seen all of contrapoint's videos of her along with this podcast. Will she genuinely never understand how truly wrong she is and how much harm she has done to the trans community? This is just absolutely bizarre to me
Check Shaun's videos on her out. Particularly JK Rowling's New Friends and Kelly Jay and the Neonazis (Kelly Jay is one of the aforementioned new friends)
She may understand the harm, she may not, but at this point the approval of conservatives is the point for her. All her friends are neo nazis or the friends of them, she only gets their approval more the deeper she goes. If she starts spouting active antisemitism in a year or two it will be the least shocking thing to ever happen
Idk, tweets are a lot less time consuming than hours long youtube videos, qnd I bet she keeps finding those tweets because she spends WAY too much time on Twitter, so I wouldn't be surprised if she hasn't. Plus she has basically written off all criticism of her as unjustified hate, and why would she bother watching that
It’s bonkers to me. Most of her talking points stem from trauma or misinformation and she has no real interest in talking to anyone level headed about the topic. Instead she points to young trans people who are angry and have trouble articulating themselves and goes “see these people are nuts!”
@@pressheart64 yeah, it feels like she needs to go to therapy to sort herself out, instead she’s on this crusade of hate
@@mhawang8204 , sadly, I think she's so high on her own hype by this point that she'd likely fire a therapist who didn't exactly toe the line and make sure to prostate themselves before her at all times.
I'll never understand women getting mad at "people who menstruate" or "birthing person". Like, girlie, intersex people exist on a biological level and have uteruses as well sometimes. Birthing person isn't just a trans-inclusive term for medical and sociological talk about pregnancy and birth, but also includes the incredibly sad reality that is literal children that have to give birth, those kids aren't women ffs.
Not a single day in my life have I ever spent a second being mad at being included in terms like that because they academically describe me. These terms are important to include an entire population that experiences something when talking about sociological topics or psychology scenarios. Doesn't make me less of a woman and doesn't make people call me one any less.
Do I find these terms unsavoury in some sense? Yes. They can sound dehumanizing, but that's kinda what sociological terms do when trying to crystalize a subset of people out of the general population for empirical research. You'd think with the amount of armchair experts these days, more people could tell the difference between real world terms and academical/medical world terms.
Agree! As someone who cannot have kids i appreciate that my gender isn't included in the naming kinds of health care. I'm not someone who will give birth, that care is not for me. It's more precise and clearer
they always cry about biology until we start talking about biology. then it’s “woke” and “politically correct”
100% agree, the ironic thing about people like Ana, or I guess JKR, getting mad at those terms is that they treat "birthing person" and the likes as substitutes for the term "woman" (when the sole reason that they were coined in the first place is because "woman" was not an accurate descriptor), basically equating being a woman to giving birth or menstruating, thus defining their identity as just that. The fact that they can't see that this is literally more misogynistic than a random medical term ever will be is both amusing and infuriating
I'll never understand trans women getting mad at being called trans women.
@@jimbojohnson7360 Yeah because it doesn't happen, I'm a trans woman and nobody can change that. I think you're confusing it with trans women wanting to be referred to as women in an everyday setting the same way cis women would be referred to as women. Now whether said confusion was made on purpose or not, idk but I would guess yes
44:09 actually, those still exist in Germany. I have one. They of course aren't given out to prevent the holder from being prosecuted for crossdressing, but so you have an id with your actual name and identity to show when asked for it, since actually changing the information on your actual id costs thousands of euros and is a humiliating experience.
Edit: The word "still" makes it sound like a continuous thing, just to clarify, they aren't. Pretty sure the modern ones have been around for less than 20 years.
"If you can never admit that you're wrong about anything - if you make one wrong turn, you'll never get on the right path again."
Natalie has 100% hit the nail on the head here. I was almost this person (it's weird to say that I'm fortunate to have been made to face many of my own mistakes) - and being such a person was to the aim of the community I was raised in. I had many friends in that circle, peers who to this day can't accept that they could be incorrect in their judgment, or could be taken in by a lie.
JK is such a “liberal-conservative”. She has the trappings of a liberal, a liberal shell if you would, but her concerns, the contents of her ideology, are borderline reactionary at this point. Truly a case study of our times
Its a great representation of the left party in the uk when she was growing up
I think you can just scrap the "borderline" - when has she last advocated for any issues that aren't? Her one final claim to progressivism, being in favor of women's rights, has been entirely subsumed into her purely transphobic goals, to the point where she's now aligned with explicit misogynists like those of American far-right.
She does not care about "liberalism" (from a social point of view, at least - I'm sure she's very content with "economic liberalism") anymore. She is a straight-up reactionary at this point, the same way all TERFs and SWERFs end up.
I'm noticing a trend of conservative people adoptive leftist rhetoric. Worse, they don't even think they are conservative, deep down.
It's what the yanks call a "classical liberal".
Too many self-described liberals are prone to flip the second minorities become real people with inconvenient needs, requests, and demands.
the thing about terfs like jk rowling that always bother me is that they always refer to girlhood/womanhood as this general experience which they are they gatekeepers of. im not a trans women, but im black lesbian and have experienced this gatekeeping first hand. ideas of universal girlhood/womanhood never apply to me because ppl who invoke them like jkr forgot that many women fall outside of her specific experience. many arguments that get used again trans women, especially when they start going into weird phrenology science, have also been used against me and other woc but the second you try to point that out, they will deny it and the racism/homophobia/overall bigotry that these spaces encourage
Yea. Treating womanhood like some sort of sacred protected space when that’s the last thing it is… and THEN claiming victimhood bc trans ppl are violating it. Like: is the sacred woman space and the trans ppl violating it in the room? Cuz it’s kinda seeming this is all made up in their heads.
You said it perfectly. Every time JK tries to define womanhood for the rest of us, I remember that line from Monty Python “You’re the king? Well I didn’t vote for you!”
@@lanasartlife Almost everything she says boils down to internalized misogyny and bigotry. You can't claim to be a feminist while touting all the misconceptions that The Patriarchy has instilled in people for generations. You can't claim to be a feminist while siding with people who legislate against women's bodily autonomy.
Ladies, whether you look like Scarlett Johansson or Jason Momoa, whether you've got an "innie" or an "outie," you are real and you are valid 🩵🤍🩷
Rowling come from an older generation of feminsts who did view womanhood as sort of sacred. I am a cis man her age, and having grown up with the same rhetoric, can understand where she's coming from on an emotional level. She is on the other hand very wealthy and very upper class, a place she fought hard to get to. She is clearly defending her position.
This your experience though, and even if its shared by others, it's a small minority experience in a world of 8 billion, and simply not reality for the majority. Call her "terf" and her opinions "gatekeeping" or whatever you wish. Argue all you want, call names, stomp your feet. Just know that when you get to middle age and over, it will be your turn to worry about the youth. And the way things are headed, oh boy its probably going to be super "interesting times". Good luck.
Matt’s laptop placement on that table stressed me out, half of it hanging was hanging off the table!
I didn’t even notice that ☹️
So many brilliant points made here. I basically lost my (formerly anti-capitalist and feminist) mother to this ideological pipeline. It started with being skeptical of the covid vaccine, and ended her down the rabbit hole of anti-trans, right wing, conspiracy theories. Now, she literally cannot speak to me without this being front and center (she doesn't know any trans people, mind you, so why she obsesses over that being the only thing we can connect over is quite the mystery). It's devastating. Thank you for speaking on this with such humor and clarity!!
Honestly now that Joanne is denying elements of the H/c, I am even more annoyed we will never see her artistic vision realized in Fantastic Beasts 4: Why The Wizards Didn't, You Know, Prevent That.
Wait, what was the next one gonna be? 😂
@@Kagomai15 well in the first three movies it is revealed that Grindlwald, the wizard who we know is defeated by our heroes eventually and is seen as a great evil in wizard history, is trying to stop WW2 from happening. Like, literally, his “evil” plan is to *prevent* WW2. So that makes the plot of the movies basically “root for these people as they attempt to ensure that WW2 happens.”
@@whatcanidooo sounds insane 😮
now i really want someone to explain to me how this didn't come to be. between this and the johnny depp thing being just so mishandled i can't help but think the reason is infinitely more senseless and bureaucratic than it should be
At least you said "elements of" and didn't pull a "anti-zionism is anti-semitism" bs.
Just FYI, the "wear what you want" tweet wasn't her first tepid toe-dip into transphobia. It's just the one that got the most attention. In 2018, she "favourited" a tweet referring to trans women as "men in dresses", but her publicist said that it was a "middle aged moment" and, although there were trans people saying that this was clearly the beginning of a descent into transphobia, many of us managed to ignore it. But the hints were there. She said of the incident that she had intended to screenshot the post because she was researching gender issues. It seems likely to me that she was already visiting a number of sites known to radicalise people.
Also, Maya had her contract not renewed because she had tweeted obsessively about trans issues for ages - and I mean obsessively. She's taken down the Medium story now, but Maya herself described a spectacular number of tweets on the subject.
And now I see you've covered this, too.
Great work.
I do think she was radicalised. I think she was approached by so-called feminists expressing "reasonable concerns" and that they fed her information to increase her unease.
for example, in early June 2020, before the more famous tweets, this happened:
'In a since-deleted tweet sharing one of the drawings, Rowling wrote: “I love this truly fabulous Ickabog, with its bat ears, mismatched eyes, and terrifying bloodstained teeth!”
'The tweet then bizarrely continued: “In court, Wolf claimed the Facebook post in which he’d said he wanted to ‘f**** up some TERFs’ was just ‘bravado’. #TheIckabog.”'
It seems likely that this pasted from a story on The Feminist Current regarding Tara Wolf's conviction for assault. She either had a login there, or was being fed information by someone who did.
Oh, but I knew there was a tweet which is often forgotten. I've finally found a reference to information about her liking a tweet by Harvey Jeni in 2017.
'You [left-wing men] have read our painful disclosures, our universal cries of me too! You have had a taste of what it might be like to try to navigate a male dominated world as a woman, and of how a socially conditioned fear of male bodies might ingrain itself. You have read the stories at the thinner end of the wedge, the ones we can stand to share, and have judged them harrowing. So tell us again how our desire to retain our safe spaces and sex based rights are bigoted and unreasonable? Tell us again how we should willingly get changed next to a stranger with a penis while focusing on ensuring our fearful body language doesn’t make them feel uncomfortable. Explain to us how you reconcile your smears of TERF and fascist with your dismay at how we are continually treated by male bodied people.'
Dude, people don't need to visit sites to be "radicalised", they just need to interact with you guys and notice how you treat them, lol.
@@frishter
every trans person i've met in person has been at least tolerable, and i am not a tolerant person in the slightest
@frishter which came first, the transphobia or the people treating them badly for being transphobic?
Shockingly, it's usually the transphobia
It also says something about your moral character if someone is mean to you, and then you start campaigning against everyone in their demographic and aligning yourself with groups who campaign against your other causes just to have support in targeting that demographic.
"Privilege is blindness to your own power", NATALIE
who else was missing 'JK Rowling enters her holocaust denial era' on their 2024 bingo card 😬 wild
this whole thing has at least raised a lot of awareness of the persecution of LGBT+ people during the holocaust though
Gave birth recently and will soon again:
No medical professional uses anything other than “man” and “woman,” unless it explicitly lists it on your intake paper that you prefer to be identified as otherwise.
But no one gets called a birthing person.
Side note: in California, you can now mark “non-binary” on birth certificates. Idk if that’s been a thing for a while or if it’s common everywhere, but I thought that was cool. Far more inclusive for intersex babies (especially in contrast to performing a sex change surgery to force one gender or another).
Do you think a woman has the right to a female OBGYN doctor?
@@vivienneb6199 not sure what you’re trying to imply, but I think the fact that healthcare is not considered a human right and free is one of the signs of a broken society. Everyone should be able to access any and all care they need, regardless of sex and gender.
@@parentingplus5125 Totally, I support Universal Health Care, and Reproductive Rights. However, don't you dare criminalize my request for a FEMALE OBGYN. If you claim a doctor is "she," and a male shows up,,I will regard that as attempted Sexual Assault. I do not CONSENT to a male putting his big male fingers in my vagina. Do you have a problem with me defending my rights a woman?
@@parentingplus5125 Maybe you are not aware, but "gender" has replaced "sex" in almost every "equal rights" law. The trans activists have abolished sex-based rights, and they promote gender Self ID. This means anyone,"woman" has been expanded to include males. It mean nothing now in terms of civil right. Females do not have civil rights.The feelings of males are privileged over the reality of sex. Indecent exposure no longer exist, and males can expose themselves to little girls at the YWCA if they claim to be women with a shenis.
@@vivienneb6199 yes actually
About the myth of past "peaceful" movements that were in fact violent. I finished reading "Babel" by R.F. Kuang last night, and it's an excellent study of violence as a (sometimes necessary) form of protest in an unjust society. Highly recommend.
Great book, very satisfying to read.
J.K. got so heckin' mad at the "Snape is a trans man" fan-theory that she decided the trans community needed to be destroyed.
"churches became more on fire than they had previously been" 👌👌👌
Because of how important Harry Potter was to my childhood, I've been trapped in the Denial stage of grief over JKR's transphobia for a long time. It's mourning the death of an idol. But discussions like this help me inch toward Acceptance, even though I cling to the hope she will "wake up" from her delusions some day.
I can highly recommend the two feature-film-length videos of Contrapoints about JK Rowling on her channel. But only if you want to take your grief to the next level, because after those videos it is impossible to stay in a position of denial. Maybe you can then go on to the next stage, rage. Or jump to acceptance.
idolising people , famous and not denies their fallibility
I remember hp 3 Neville's boggart turned into Snape and Neville turned him into Snape in Grandma's outfit to ridicule him. Not sure if it was both in movie and book.
Rowling has fully turned from Hermione (if in doubt go to the library) to Dolores Umbridge (believing her own biases to be general truths).
Or maybe you could look more deeply into the issues that she's talking about and don't just assume transphobia.
If you need a special guest for the Tala special I actually was the (male on the inside of the giant plush blue costume, female on the outside, so kind of trans coded) Bookstart Bear at Catford Library in 2007. 🤣🧸
no way, you are a personal celebrity to me
Like all good celebrity stories my life has only gone downhill since my starring role. I'm blaming Tala.@@ContraPoints
No way, is Natalie doing an episode on Tala? I have to see that!😂
@@sven5216 Tala had a section in a contrapoints video, not a whole video. I think it was the JK Rowling one.
I mean beyond the incisive wit this woman is just a class act. She never loses her shit or is mean, instead she's a study in magnanimity. I need to become a patron I could listen to her every day.
Sometimes she says mean things on twitter and it's really funny but then she'll delete them like two minutes later. Otherwise yeah she's really lovely.
@@AnxiousGaryI wanna see..
Joanne chose a really shitty hill to die on.
The talk about the word "cis" always reminds be of the "I'm not straight, I'm normal" discussion of... hmmm, maybe the 90s?
I like the example jammidodger uses for people who say “I’m not cis, I’m just a woman/man,” which is that it’s an adjective on the same level as “tall” or “short.” So being a cis woman doesn’t make you not a woman just like being a short woman doesn’t mean you’re a short instead of a woman
@Shoulderpads-mcgee utter bollocks. Cis is a redundant adjective. Cis doesn't describe anything lol! I am a woman. A man in a dress is still a man irrespective of surgery and feelings.
I use "eu" (true) as in eu-man.
@@Mr_user_1000 that’s just gonna make you sound like you’re saying human slightly wrong or like a cave man lol. It sounds like “you, man.” or “you, woman” yknow ooga booga and all that.
@@Shoulderpads-mcgee Or like an older person from NY who says "yuge" instead of huge. Fine with me. "Cis" man reminds me of "sissy" man, anyway.