Revived Out Of Spite? | Wonder Man Origins
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Wonder Man is set to make his way to the MCYU which means it's the perfect time to check out his origins in Avengers #9 back in 1964. Created By Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Don Heck, Simon Williams began life an an antagonist controlled by Baron Zemo. Supposedly shelved because of lawsuits between National Comics (DC) and Marvel, he is said to have come back because of Power Girl? Find out all about it here on Casually comics!
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Give me your finest Wonder Man puns...please lol
BEHOLD True Believer, the POWER of PETTINESS! :-). Wondaa … Wondaa … Wonder-Man … Hoooooooo!!!
When he became an actor he never got his own theme park named wonderland. Forever salty.
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Wonder-Man Wonderful for only week... Then Wonderful Death... lol
Go with the Classic: WHAT IF Wonder Man were a Woman, & Power Man Were a Girl ? Dear Marvel, Our Lawyers Advise You Not To Print This Gag Sincerely Your Distinguished Competition 🖖🏾
@@rebeccakickass1776 the wonderful wonder man wandering the whimsical world for one week whilst wilting away
I was at a panel where Stan said something along the lines of the “Thor’s flying is more realistic than Superman’s because he spins his hammer like a propeller, we’re scientific while DC isn’t” quote. Trust me, everyone in the audience knew his tongue was _firmly_ in cheek when he said that!
Happy you were able to get your iron man saying “let’s just disband “ line in there.
Yeah I love that quote... lol
Ennui Man
You are never going to let Marvel forget about that "disband while we have the chance" panel, and I respect that.
Hey, the Avengers are pickier than you’re implying. They don’t *only* exclude Spider-Man, they exclude Rick Jones, too!
I love that that was essentially Rick Jones’s entire identity for years in the comics: his one desire in life to become an Avenger and/or Bucky.
"They don't want me to be Bucky?! Fine!! I'll just become Captain Marvel instead! Or the Hulk!! THREE TIMES!!"
Of all the old Marvel Comics characters who have not been adapted for the MCU, I'm actually most surprised that Rick Jones never got cast. He had strong connections to the Hulk, Captain America, Captain Marvel (OK, Marr-Vell, but still) and the whole Avengers team. Even a version of the Swordsman has shown up in the Hawkeye TV show. In whatever parallel universe where these characters are real, that's gotta sting a little. SWORDSMAN gets adapted before pool old Rick.
Rick: "what do you mean you don't like it when I wear your dead sidekicks clothes, Cap???"
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And the issue where Cap finally breaks down and is like “You know what, maybe I’m the weird one for angsting about getting a child killed by consistently putting him in harm’s way, go ahead Rick, go ahead and be my replacement Bucky.”
And then Rick messes up and Cap gets pissed at him. Those two are so damaged.
@@JoeOConnellAllNew Batroc Ze Leapair showed up remarkably early!
I think people who, like me, met Wonder Man in Avengers earth's mightiest heroes were surprised to find out what the character was like in the comics, like me. While in the comics his passage through the masters of evil is just his origin, in the show it took a long time for him to sacrifice and die. Also, since the show was cancelled, we never saw him as an súperhero. R.I.P.
Cancelled, so that Disney could relaunch an mcu-esque, dull looking cartoon (visually and otherwise) that would line up with the main product,
Maybe it will get a revival in a couple of years, like Young Justice that got 2 more seasons
Would he have joined the avengers eventually
I didn't see him there first but it's where I saw his origins. I assumed that purple form happened in the comics but it doesn't seem like it.
@@DSan-kl2yc It happened in the comics, or at least i remember it being in Ultron Unlimited, but it's just that it wasn't a part of his origin
Marvel could have gotten out of a lawsuit by pointing out that MGM made a comedy movie starring Danny Kaye, called "Wonder Man" in 1945. Its about a guy with ghostly abilities.
If Wonder Man doesn’t die at the end of the first episode of his series, I’ll be a little disappointed
The Iron Man voice is so great. Wonder Man has always been one of my favorite characters. Despite being almost as powerful as Thor, he's always had self doubts, fears about death, etc. Yet, he's almost always treated like crap by Marvel.
@mayssm TRUE
I feel like Wonder Man getting a mind control girdle to use on others would be a very different story than Wonder Woman.
I honestly never thought we would get Wonder Man I. The MCU, since the major stories with him in it have been already done without him. But introducing him now? Why not! They can do the adaptation that Earth's Mightiest Heroes did, by giving him his first suit, but later gets his pure ionic powers... Hell, Rogue can even absorb his power like does years ago and gets her current powers. I might be going TOO FAR, but hey I'm just happy he gets to do stuff, rather than being dead or in a coma, like for most comics and the 2000's show, United They Stand.
When did Rogue absorb his powers?
@@ChaosMechanica I assume it's because Carol Danvers is too popular to be put in a comma for years, and their powers are similar enough to get Rogues comic powers
@@ChaosMechanica in Uncanny Avengers, then they fought Apocalypse Twins.
There's a WonderBoy too! He was from Quality in the golden age. He's actually pretty fun, basically orphaned Superboy-type who does what he wants, and doesn't seem able to fly.
I always enjoyed his design, I guess since DC bought Quality they might still own him, but they've never shown any indication of using him. It's possible he's public domain now.
5:45 "We can make the word's first ionic man!" Personally I'd bring in Simon as someone that decided to take over the weapons market that Stark left behind after he became Iron Man. After hearing of Tony's sacrifice Simon decides to leave weapons manufacturing behind and concentrates on medicine once he's diagnosed with a terminal illness. He bases his cure for his condition on research the original Baron Zemo did during WWII and after the inevitable 'scientific accident' becomes Wonder Man.
Still mad that Baron Zemo is just a dude in the MCU and not the WWII one, would've been nice
Big fan of Simon Williams here, I actually hadn’t heard of DCs Wonder Man until your video. I remember talk of him having a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2 & played by Nathan Fillion, but I’m glad they’re waiting to bring him in. I hope they go straight to the purple ionic form.
Naturally, theyre gonna recast for someone younger. And it only makes sense to go straight to his ionic form instead of having to go though all that proccess. Similary, theyre probably gonna skip to the end with his chracterization as well, forgetting his short time as a villain and making him an actor from the start. Hell, it wouldnt surprisme if they actually went and make him the first pacifist superhero. Not entirely sure how would that work for the inevitably big epic fights hes gonna be in, but it could be interesting all the same.
I personally love and miss his bromance with Beast. I hope that's something the MCU does if he shows up.
That & an absolutely gut-wrenching Wanda/Simon near-romance. If they don't do Grim Reaper that's okay, I guess, even though some of the covers of those issues (Avengers #160, anyone? Brilliant, I love that cover), while great, held even greater stories between them.
@@Matthew.E.Kelly. Grim Reaper's an interesting one for sure. I liked when Vision and Simon were like brothers but Grim Reaper refused to accept either as the original Simon. Then came Byrne who agreed at least about Visionnnot being a real person...
The whole Simon Williams embezzelment plot gets expanded a whole lot in the late 70s early 80s. Particularly in the 2nd Vision and Scarlet Witch miniseries and the 2nd volume of West Coast Avengers.
DC comics in the 50's have a habit of telling 'hero for a day' stories.
These stories usually have a new hero coming to town, and showing up the established hero.
Then they find some way to get rid of that character...
Lol usually they either die, or have to go back where they came from
@@CasuallyComics Or worse, they discover now difficult it is to stay married to Lois Lane!
Many Legion of Superheroes characters were introduced that way
@@CasuallyComics very often it turns out to be batman or superman with amnesia...
@@mynardomacaraig2697 that was the start of the madness for the Legion.
The thing I like most about this Wonder Man story isn't even in the story, but from an issue released like a year later (in Avengers #21), when Enchantress decided to turn some random Masters of Evil mook into a knock-off Wonder Man - Eric Josten, to be exact, a later member of the Thunderbolts known as Atlas. But his first super-villain name? *Power Man* - adds a whole new dimension to the whole "Well if you're gonna introduce Power Girl..." debacle.
Marvel's Wonder Man will always have a special place in my heart because the origin story you have just reviewed was the very first superhero comic I ever read. Everything about it completely captivated me. The art, the costumes, the colours, the characters and their powers and all capped off with a noble self sacrifice at the end. Loved it!
The real barrier to getting people into comics is explaining the Summers, Allen, and Pym/Williams/Hammond/Maximoff family trees.
The disbanding clip makes me lol every time! As much animosity as there was between DC and Marvel by 76 they did publish the Superman vs Spiderman crossover. If you haven't already done so, I would love a deep dive of that!
I think it was the very first video on this channel.
I always have a soft spot for B and C listers. The guys who are never in the front of the spotlight but whose course you can chart through their appearences to see where they pop up. I suppose it was instilled into me by those old A-Z handbooks.
Wonder Man is strange, he's indirectly part of Vision's creation. If I were going to bring him to the MCU, I would have Simon Williams experiment on himself, maybe Zemo is a consultant who warns against it (I'm thinking during Captain America and the Winter Soldier season 2 or 3) Have Williams be a well-meaning hindrance, trying but failing to help at the end of the season arc Sam and Bucky decide to help him work on his powers and train him, maybe have Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop, America Chavez and a few others practicing as they show the training space. Be a good way to tease a new Avengers movie.
Just so long as Zeno doesn’t give him dance lessons!
@@jpboursaw4469 - oh no. The dance lessons are mandatory.
@@jpboursaw4469 I took dance lessons from Zeno but kept getting out-danced by a tortoise because I had to take an infinite number of steps to cross the ballroom.
@@CovenantD That fiend!!! To combat this madness, the Avengers must enlist the help of…AOC!!!!
@@MattMcIrvin I don’t think CZcams will let me, but at this moment I wish I could post that meme with Owen Wilson side by side with a Tortoise simultaneously saying “wooooow”!!!
Wonderman? I wonder how this went…
Marvel has a Vision for his future.
(i read Vision by Tom King. it was disappointing, dont recommend)
I would bring in Wonder Man just like they did in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which is the best thing Marvel has ever done on the large or small screen.
this story was loosely adapted by the avengers assembled cartoon from the early 2000s, I have fond memories of watching that show as a kid as it introduced me to the larger marvel universe
“The COMING of WONDER MAN”
I read it in Gutter Translation, sorry
That would explain Giant Mans expression on the cover….
When I hunk Wonder Man, I think of him as a mascot for Wonder Bread.
Like an advertisement sponsored super hero.
I knew better but couldn’t get the association out of my mind with the Hostess comic adverts. 🤣
My most notable memory of Wonder Man actually comes from DnA's Guardians of the Galaxy run where he was a member of a variation of the 'original' team under the name of 'Hollywood'. It included a fun joke that called back to an early issue of the run where the 'new' Guardians called themselves 'the Butt Kickers of the Fantastic'.
Marvel's "What If..?" issue 34 was their humor issue.
One of the gags was "What if Wonder Man were a Woman... And Power Man were a girl?" Along with a note from "Your Distinguished Competition" advising they not do that gag.
Dude was the original "well I guess I'll die now" meme 😆😆
Loved that character when he first reappeared, loved the costume, then Perez redesigned it as - the best super costume ever! then Byrne ditched it for a red safari jacket. Style disaster. Great days for the Avengers.
Great video, especially the observation that Marvel's Wonder Man story seemed to be following the same plot of the DC story.
I wonder if anyone could really sue over the name "Wonder Man" considering all the different characters that have gone by that name. In the Golden Age, Fox had one, Nedor had two superheroes who were called 'Wonder Man'... there is even a whole website covering all the various characters who have used that title.
You can't copyright a name. But a name combined with a bunch of other substantive similarities like for example a super similar origin story arc and similar powers can add up to infringement
@@DavidJoh yep cause dc actually sued fawcett comics over the original captain marvel cause they said he
His power set was to similar to Superman’s powers then wind up buying fawcett comics in 1972
My only real memory of Wonder Man was his cameo in the Data East arcade game, Captain America and the Avengers. At the start of one of the game's shoot em up sections he shows up and throws you a flying motorcycle thing if you're playing as Captain America or Hawkeye, since they can't fly. There's a really digitized voice sample that says "Thank you... Wonder Man!... Okay, go!" I can't ever remember reading a comic book where his part was memorable. I ... think I might remember him being in some event or other I read, but I couldn't guess which one or remember what he said or did.
But I'm open to the movies making me care about him. It worked with the Guardians of the Galaxy.
I forget, didn’t we already get teased for him in Guardians 2? The theater in Star Lords home town is running a Simon Williams film festival. Supposedly they had Nathan Fillion to play him.
I love Simon. He's kind of an odd duck. Originally a failed industrialist, then Hollywood actor. Often very insecure, without being a dick, when blessed with a good creative team, he's Wonderful. :)
fun fact there was a golden age Wonder Man that got his publisher taken to court when DC found out about him. Funner fact the publisher ran out of the same building as National Comics
Lawsuits everywhere
@@CasuallyComics you gotta respect the hustle tho copying from a company that lives literally a floor or two above you is baller
That Wonder Man was created by Will Eisner I read in an issue of Roy Thomas's Alter-ego.
I got introduced to Wonder Man due to the animated show "Avengers: United They Stand".
Wonder Man is my favorite Marvel character of all time, albeit I found out about him a couple years ago he's still stuck true as my number one pick and he honestly will be for all time until the end. There's just something about his character that makes him so incredibly unique and amazing besides his already BOMBASTICALLY AMAZING POWERS, it's a helping hand with his character as well that really makes him stick out from the rest of the Marvel-Verse that solidifies him as my favorite character of all time! As worried as I am about the Wonder Man show coming to Disney+ in the future, I do have faith that they'll make a good adaptation of him, maybe with this more ABSOLUTELY DESERVED love will come to him. He's a fantastic character and honestly needs more things done with him, more solo series (with hopefully competent writers and artists) and a good story to show the Marvel fans casual and long time what they've been missing!
"LetJust Disband"... that line always gets me!!❤
6:05 Wonder Man looks so much like John Cena it's great. I honestly wouldn't be against it if he did Wonder Man as well as Peacemaker, but I doubt it'd ever happen.
Fuck, no. I want DC to kill off that version of Peacemaker, to get that piece of garbage Cena out of work. Fucking piece of shit kissing China's ass over (Is it Tibet or Taiwan?) The government of China is our enemy. (Government, you racist assholes who project your failing on the rest of us. But Chinese kill their newborn baby daughters, or leave them to die, because they want boy children.)
Nathan Filion is playing him
I watch a number of comics channels when I can but only this one and Comic Tropes make me laugh out loud. Totally entertained!
Honestly, I laugh every single time I see the panel of iron man wanting to disband the team.
MCU: Simon is a movie star that is revealed he has powers.
I don’t get the “let’s just disband” iron man joke, and at this point, I’m too afraid to ask…
They did the origin story in Avengers: EMH season 1 and reworked the motivation a bit and ditched the costume. But, he got to be the ionic man.
Wonder Man's arc in both Marvel and DC is eerily reminiscent of Tomorrow Woman who appeared in Grant Morrison's JLA run and was created by the mad scientist TO Morrow to infiltrate the JLA and destroy them only for Tomorrow Woman to heroically sacrifice herself.
Can you imagine someone needing help and Iron Man can't help because he is stuck sitting by an outlet, charging his suit? 🤔😂🤣🔌
Wait, does Enchantress also exist in both Marvel and DC.?
Yup, but since it is such a common name neither company can copyright it. That's the good side of single common worded names for characters.
I like how Simon Williams is one of the few heroes that dyes his gray hair.
Love the Iron Man "disband" call back.
The more I watch Casually Comics the more I notice how often Stan Lee contradicts himself or blames others for his mistakes 🤔
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They should do a Defenders movie. Then they could throw in all the odd Marvel Superheroes the wanted to into it.
But I really liked Wonder Man's out of the late 70s/early 80s, the red sport coat with the glasses, black leggings, and red boots. It really made him look cool.
First time I saw him was in Earth's Mighiest Heroes show. Also where I know his brother is Reaper. Though he was very different in his apperance there. Great show though.
Also... Stan was often full of it. Wasn't he?
I really liked it when he was part of West Coast Avengers and was in love with the Scarlet Witch.
I have never been a fan of Wonderman , & am Frankly Pretty Shocked The MCU is planning on giving Him a series…in the comics there is basically only one page of Him that has always stood out for me , a Battle between Him & A jealous of Wanda Vision , Who uses His trick of phasing His fist into opponents chest & slightly solidifying it , which usually made most pass out from the pain , but Simon was able to take the pain & Slug Vision across the room…A first at that point of Vision’s existence I believe( at least the first time I saw it) …The Earth’s Mightiest Avengers animated Ionic Energy version was cool, other than that the year of WM’s creation 1964 is My being My Birth Year is the Best I can say about Him…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Idk why, but I think the Avengers 2 should have had the Masters of Evil as the villains with Wonder Man
Hmm.. I remember a Wonder Man from when I was a boy in the 20th century but I'm not sure it's the same guy. The character I liked was an energy being who moonlit as a Hollywood actor, even though he was apparently as handsome as ERG/Wildfire in his natural form. This Wonder Man you've reviewed looks much more human. I guess it's the same guy because I remember the link to the Vision, who supposedly had a copy of his memories or something overwriting Prof. Horton's memories. (Fun fact: this has no doubt been retconned, but at one point the Vision's red coloration was rust to keep him from bursting into flames a la James Hammond.
Same character. His powers would change.
i've often noticed the similarities between Marvel Comics' Wonder Man & Grim Reaper and MLJ Comics' (later Archie Comics) Comet & Hangman.
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Tony never misses a chance to disband the Avengers.
😆 It still kills me how hard spiderman wanted to be an avenger and how they wouldn't let him join.
Wonder Man and Hank Pym are like 2 characters that I feel are similar in that there are/is a writer/writers who LOVE them, but the general public couldn't care less. So the writer or whomever is like, I'll show you how cool and important these characters are! Which resulted in Wonder Man hating the Avengers in the 2000s for a bit before it was dropped and the utterly forgotten Age of Ultron mini
I love your “dying from radiation” voice.
I always loved Wonder Man's redesign under Busiek and Perez when he would turn into a being of pure purple energy...with an red energy W for reasons.
I think that form lends itself to some interesting changes to powers too. I mean, if you're made of energy, why not also be able to blast energy? Why not make constructs/weapons out of it?
I'm in my disband shirt while watching this lol
I think that the way that Disney + and Marvel Studios will make Wonder Man in the M.C.U. will be similar to his first appearance and origin but with a reboot/re-imagining/remake/retelling that not only makes him much more updated for the present in order to make him much more contemporary and modernized, but which is also less complex, complicated and convoluted, too. Simon Williams' character will keep things short and simple, but still effective, and straight to the point. Also, with the changes to his character in order for him to coincide with the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, his origin as Wonder Man will have to also match the history of the M.C.U. just as well. The best, easiest and fastest way for an original series to do it is not make him a businessman because that would connect him to Iron Man which won't work because Tony Stark is dead. Baron Helmut Zemo is a villain, but he also has a very different kind of existence and his father, Baron Heinrich Zemo, is not only not a Nazi but is also already long since dead, too. Skurge, the Executioner is also dead and Amora, the Enchantress doesn't even exist. So the super-villain team called the Masters of Evil never formed in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This eliminates Simon Williams being involved in an embezzlement scandal, and being experimented upon by the specific professional criminals involved in the original 1960s comic book story. So the all-different, all-new version of Wonder Man would have to have very different circumstances surrounding how he became mutated into a superhuman being by being exposed to the energy field from an advanced "ionic rays" machine.
Whatever the writers of the show decide to do I just hope that it at least matches about 50% to 75% of the original canon source material. I hope that they give him the black and red costume from the 1990s and make him able to fly at supersonic speed by him creating an glowing jet red "ionic energy" force field around his body like he does in the present. The jet pack from the 1960s and the green and red costume from the '60s both look way too outdated. His powers should be superhuman "Class 100" strength, enabling him to lift (press) approximately 100 tons under optimal conditions, and superhuman and/or superhuman regenerative durability that grants him invulnerability, making him resistant to all forms of physical injury and able to regenerate any damaged, or destroyed areas of his cellular structure at an extremely accelerated rate. He should also be an action movie B actor who only does straight-to-Blu-Ray Disc low budget independent action movies where he films death-defying Hollywood stunt scenes as a professional stunt man and/or pro stunt performer, using his superhuman physical powers to his advantage because he is impervious and indestructible.
His arch-enemies should be super-villains and professional criminals who are connected to his origin of the source of his superhuman powers. I don't think that his evil older brother Eric Williams should become the Grim Reaper because his character was connected to voodoo magic, voodoo priests and voodoo zombies. If anything, he should just be a corrupted and greedy wealthy businessman who had inherited the Williams Corporation family business from their late father, a ruthless corporate shark who was the founder, and leader of the powerful and rich company. Instead of it being similar to the Stark Corporation dealing in munitions only not as efficient, the incorporated enterprises could be a Los Angeles, California-based film production studio, and television channel network station whose industries are international in scope. His brother could be the Chairman of the Board, current owner, President and principal stockholder after following in their father's footsteps and then taking over the private company after their father had died from terminal cancer several years ago. Simon Williams didn't want anything to do with his family fortune and his inheritance so he was cut from his father's will and disowned by him.
He was a studious man and an athletic one, so he became an intellectual, and a scholar, as well as a competitive professional Olympic-Class powerlifter and weightlifter, and a fitness model for fitness magazines. He was given the chance to appear as a 1920s circus strongman character named "Mr. Muscles" in a comedic children's live action T.V. series, and that's how he started out in Hollywood. But after he turned into a super-strong, super-fast flying, super-durable "ionic energy"-empowered, and enhanced super-being, that's when he became hired to play action hero roles and perform extremely dangerous and deadly stunts. This got him well-known and famous, both as an extremely powerful and strong costumed, super-powered super hero, professional adventurer and professional crime fighter, and as a small name B-List Hollywood celebrity actor who wasn't exactly always a big box office draw. They could make his manager be the one who comes up with the code-name of "Wonder Man" and his black costume with the red "W" and red "M" chest emblems logo, making him the premiere costumed, super-powered being of the U.S.A.'s West Coast. If the series Wonder Man is done like that, then the character could actually work in the M.C.U.
I like the art in that 1st appearance it's primitive but the action scenes are really dynamic somehow
Even if it’s a passing joke/sight gag, they’ve gotta include his 70’s red safari jacket look. It would be a sin not to include that.
I hated The Revengers for what Bedis did to D-Man, Wonder Man, and Atlas, oh amd Goliath, also Captain Ultra
I've only now connected how alike Vision's origin was to Wonderman's and the other Wonderman's.
I have a bit of a soft spot for Wonder Man, but he is just not often used for good effect.
I don't think there is much to the claims. Neither the characters nor their origins are all that similar, and it is not like people are buying Avengers stories because they mistakenly believe Simon Williams to be connected to Princess Diana or to Super-robot Ajax.
Wonder Man and Beast were pals? You know, I wouldn't mind seeing a video about that, or a video on other obscure friendships in comics
Can I quickly say, we need a Cat Grant video, and it needs to mostly focus on her portrayal in the 90's show Lois and Clark, the New Adventures of Superman.
I can't wait to tell a mate of mine that Wonder Man is coming to TV screens soon. He absolutely hates the character (he calls him "the Satan of comics") and will no doubt flip his lid when he learns of this.
I mean, what are friends for if not to poke fun at each other?
Finally Van Gogh Joker is revealed.
I'll be honest I have been wondering what that picture was.
They got rid of the magnet affecting him problem so he could fight Magneto.
Lol I want an Iron Man flying around in plastic armor to fight Magneto, and Marvel having to loudly proclaim "no he's not Plastic Man"
@@CasuallyComics That would be funny.
Fox Publications had a Wonder Man back in 1939 mad by Will Eisner himself, but at the time DC comics was suing anyone who had a character that was even like Superman so it was a ver short lived character.
"Calm down, Zemo"--Heh!
Sasha! Lois was the ORIGINAL Power Girl in Superman #125! You HAVE to explore this story!
The West Coast Avengers honestly felt disjointed because it had all these characters with nothing but potential and really mirky back stories, save Hawkeye and Mockingbird. They oddly kept throwing Simon into love triangles: first with Hank and Tigra, and then (and far more ongoing) Vision and Wanda (which was super creepy to me since during the V&SW mini they regarded themselves and brothers, twins even). Then he decided to revisit the beef he had with Tony over losing his company to Stark's better product. It was so much overcompensation for a dude that the Marvel Encyclopedia put in the same strength class as Thor, Hulk, and Herc. He always felt wasted to me, and I REALLY wanted to like his character. There were hints of great story telling with his brother the Grim Reaper. Those were some solid, solid issues, in my opinion. People down here keep bringing up Avengers: EMH, and I was very sad it didn't get to tie up several story threads, but especially his. They were putting a great spin on his mythology. I know there's little to no chance, but wouldn't it be nice if Disney+ gave it the Young Justice treatment and brought it back to finish what it started?
I think West Coast Avengers is the real answer. We've already had Shang Chi, Ant Man and the Wasp on the west coast. We've also got the Pyms and various other likeable west coast characters and contacts.
The showrunner for Wonder Man got the job after success with Shang Chi and was really invested in that project. I could imagine him talking with Feige about what they need to start fleshing out a MCU styled west coast Avengers series or movie. Some extra cheesecake is probably on the list.
Past that we've had a few MCU teams so far. What if? has an amazing self contained phase 1 style arc complete with some pretty great insight into the characters being used and how they work in teams. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns into the MCU equivalent of the west coast Avengers but they definitely have the ability to craft a compelling team. I also think it might be the primary Avengers team in the upcoming phases. Possible without the name but a team up tied around traditional west coast heroes based on the west coast. It's a really smart way of seeing how much traction the team members get ahead of a major movie so they can shift before they commit.
I think that Marvel's struggle to figure out anything to do with Wonder Man for years after his revival backs up the idea that he was always supposed to be a one-and-done character. There was nothing particularly unique or interesting about him to build off of. The main function of him in his revival story was to cause a crisis of identity for the Vision, which made for interesting stories but they weren't really about him. After that, he was just "generic strong guy" for a good while. It wasn't until they eventually conceived of the actor/stuntman angle that the character really had anything going for him, and I have to imagine that it's that concept that will make it into the MCU.
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"Kerfuffle" is a wonderful word.
Both the DC and Marvel origins remind me of DCs Tomorrow Woman arc from the JLA comics!!!
Great video shasa.
The Wonder Man series of the '90s was a lot of fun. He was still a superhero, but there was a lot of focus on his Hollywood career which was an interesting angle. I think that would be a fun aspect to retain for his inclusion in the MCU. Maybe he could be playing well-established heroes in in-world movies.
Thanks for complimenting Don Heck's art. Fans have been defecating on the man's work for decades.
I have a soft spot for Wonderman. I am a sucker for a redemption story.
I was JUST watching your Star Trek video-first!
To me, Wonder Man's finest days were when he was in those first two gaudy green and red costumes (the third designed by Al Milgrom was hideous). Once he went to the safar jacket or black leotard, he was less impressive and less interesting to me.
Oh, and Don Heck's art on Avengers in the 60s was fantastic. It was very evocative of that era and is his strongest work.
He has to wear the red jacket costume at least once in the MCU
And my first introduction to him was when I attempted to do a review series. Did the show "Avengers: United They Stand" and he was there...a short time before they did the memory transfer thing to make Vision.
IDK if you saw it, but in the new "Last 52" story there is an evil Lois Lane that kills Superman steals his powers and rampages across her world killing superheroes. I choose to believe it's because she secretly remembers all the golden age stories.
I envision it as her, night after night, standing over Clark as he's sleeping, wild eyed and crazy looking, kryptonite in hand, mumbling about cat fights with Wonder Woman, finding Lori Lemaris' Onlyfins page in his internet history, and being convinced she drove Clark to suicide, then just like... losing it
Yeah both the DC's and Marvel's Wonder Man (first story's) are very close to each other... lol (Marvel) "we don't copy 'anymore' "... I love when you have quotes
I would like to see a romance between him and Carol, as Carol missed out on War Machine.
Wonder Man...he is a Mr. Wonder Man...
So it has nothing to do with the Danny Kaye movie called Wonder Man? Although that character was similar to Quality Comics Captain Triumph.
lol
Just finished writing my (not as social-media savvy) comment, to scroll down and find you here with the Danny Kaye too.
I really think that one would have made a great Gotham City story - except for the potato salad! 😁
Great shout with Captain Triumph!
I like wonder man kinda. I like his outfit. In the first story I read that he was in, he exploded. But he got better I guess. It's funny, seems dying is his thing.
Also I like his romantic woes at the time. That's sympathetic to me. Like the vision got a girl he couldn't get. He seemed bummed about it
I just like Wonder Man because his sunglasses are neat