Secret Lab Neue (versus Used Herman Miller Aeron + Atlas Headrest)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 10. 09. 2024
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In this video, I check out Secret Lab's secretest chair, the Secret Lab Neue Chair. I'll also be comparing it to my Herman Miller Classic Aeron with the Atlas Headrest. Spoiler alert: I'm officially crowning this chair as the BEST chair in the $500-600 price range if you want something new.
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:00 - Intro
:49 - Crowning the Neue as my #1 recommendation
1:24 - Neue Size Guide
2:23 - Why did I pick the Neue as my #1 recommendation?
6:11 - The Casters
6:42 - The Legs
7:13 - Back Tilt Tension
8:38 - The Seat
10:37 - The Mesh
13:04 - The Lumbar
14:30 - The Arms
17:00 - The Headrest
19:54 - The Conclusion
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Get more fat friends to review chairs! Trust there aren't that many for short and chunky people on CZcams rn, mostly just "tall and big".
NeueChair is not made by Secret Lab, they are just distributors. I did a lot of research and got the Neue with the MUST HAVE head rest about a month ago. Got the obsidian black and itâs an amazing improvement in comfort and design. 5 stars!
@@steveeb00 Maybe its actually a decent chair then lol
Neuechair vs Embody - thoughts?
it sucks so much i can not mount the atlas headrest on the Embody G version :(
For thoes who dont know, secret labs dont actually make this chair, the OEM is GTchair, also you should review there new butterfly version (looks like a butterfly on the back) i believe the model number is GTC-DV-10E, no one outside of China has reviewed it so wanna see if its any good
Thank you!!
Here's a review of this chair outside of China, except this isn't exactly the chair from GTCHAIR, but rather it's a copy from Martiangear: czcams.com/video/bS2ESF7hyic/video.html
looking at the pictures, they are similar but different chairs.
Same as Zen chair
This channel has grown to be a chair review channel. I'm happy to see this growth even if I can't even afford those fancy chair, for now
I still do tech! But it's been a crazyyy busy season at work, and chair reviews often take less effort from a b-roll perspective, which is why you're seeing more chair reviews in this season!
This chair has been around at least 2 years. People seem to complain that mesh sags in and that bump in the front starts giving a lot of discomfort.
I've had this chair just over a year, was really hoping it would be a good choice for the money. AVOID uncomfortable from day one. i wish i'd just sent it back!
@@SuperWardy85 damn I was about to purchase until I read your comment. Can you please elaborate some more?
@@truongdo6488 it looks beautiful! Iâm 5â11 slim build so it should fit perfect. The headrest sits in my shoulders, then the mesh has started to sag slightly, even before that the frame isnât padded enough in the seat so you can feel that youâre sat on the frame. No matter how I adjust it I end up aching after even short use. Hope this helps, if you have any questions feel free. Oh and also the seems on the arm rest has already split
Unfortunately, the mesh quality isn't at the same level as Herman Miller.
@@StardustLegacyFighter thatâs an understatement!
Wow, what a well-served experience here... you speak continuously and every single word is useful. Rare stuff! Thank you!
1:24 - designed for smaller folks. 6'0" and above will be uncomfortable. That's all I needed to see as I am 6'3" and over 200#, thanks Ahnestly.
Right. This was me. Well, I'm out haha
I hear the Steelcase Gesture is for us tall people. And there's a cheaper knockoff of it on amazon for $200.
looks like an Okamura Contessa II. if the build and the ergonomics/comfortability hold up, this a steal for the price point.
I really want to try the Contessa/contessa II. They don't sell the II here in the states, but reached out hoping they'd send the I over.
It is... I'd rather have a Japanese Italian chair. lol
You need to include the adjustment range for the arm rests more in depth imo. The single biggest problem with these chairs is that the damn arm rests often will not go low enough to clear the desk, so you can actually get a decent gaming position. Things like Noble and Secret Lab Titan is therefore completely unusable without modifications in my opinion, and I wonder how they could make such huge oversights. Would be great to know if something like this is better.
Bruh yes. The table clearance.
You're my favorite chair reviewer
You're my favorite Victor Guerrero. :-D Thank you for the kind words!
FYI, anything that doesn't "click" into place and can lock at *any* angle is likely a friction based mechanism. For a number of reasons, I've found friction based systesm to be a LOT less durable. The clamping hardware in a friction mechanism can stretch or fail over many uses, resulting in a complete loss of locking. Also, if friction surfaces fail for whatever reason, that's also tough. However notch systems tend to require a LOT less maintenance and be a lot more forgiving to wear/tear and a lack of maintenance.
Very interesting! That kinda stinks to hear but as long as there are reasonable locks, I don't mind it! But will keep that in mind for the future!
Only 3K views but here I am. The Algorithm succeeds! Can't wait to watch this one!
The algorithm gods have shown this lowly youtuber their favor...praise be the algorithm...
I have this chair. Bought it after seeing a CZcams video raving about it. I wanted to love it, but I just canât. Maybe for your height itâs great, idk. I am 5â10ââ @ 160lbs. The seat is too shallow even when extended forward (which creates a discomfort in the lower back). Additionally, the arm rests are at a height where they are too far forward to sit comfortably with your arms on them extending to desk and do not lower far enough to pull under the desk (to rest arms on desk). Removing them is not an option because all the functionality of the triggers are integrated into the armrests. I ended up shelling out the money for an Embody. Wish I had known how worth the money Herman Millers were prior to dropping the money on 3 dxracers and the neuechair.
Hm that's interesting. My 5'10 friend found it pretty comfortable and was shocked at how good it felt when he sat down in it. As for HM...yeah man...people don't believe me when I'm like no, it's just a better chair. I get that people don't want to spend that much but I'm testing thousand dollar chairs and I'm like yeahhh this is not worth it relative to a HM chair. I will say though that I know 50 year old men who swear by gaming chairs. An elder at my church who's a programmer has a gaming chair and said it saved his back!
How are you doing with your Embody 6 months later? I ditched my old 2020 Secretlab Titan in and bought an Embody back in August and I still haven't found a comfortable position xD
I legit feel like selling it and buying a new 2022 Titan..
I'm 6'1 and it sucks if it wouldn't be comfortable for me :(
â@@KowitaG From what i have been told by people with an Embody, they are worthless a couple hours into sitting. I picked up an Aeron, and, trust me when i say i spent MONTHS debating and looking at "gaming chairs" due to price. I ended up with the Aeron due to some MRI work showing that my DX Racer is causing some serious spine compression from my L5 to S1 with slipped disks...... yeah. Great. Anyways, the Aeron has already made improvements on my spine in the few weeks i have had it. I will never, ever, ever, go back to another chair.
I know comfort is king when it comes to office chairs, but the shiny aesthetics of this one has got me drooling.
Never take a dump on my office chair, but you never know I'm getting old.
Nice chair reasonable priced.
Thanks for a through review. A key metric I always look at in other products is the warranty offered. Says a lot about what the engineers have said to the CFO about the product. Herman Miller's 12-year warranty and 30-day refund is pretty strong.
Agree. I looked into the warranty on the Neue Chair that Secret Labs uses and it reads:
NEUE does cover the following under this warranty:
NEUECHAIR: Skeletal Frame, Aluminium Frame, Wheelbase and Polyamide Frame - [12 years]
NEUECHAIR: Lumbar Support and Central Mechanism Hub - [5 years]
NEUECHAIR: Armrest Mechanism, Casters Mechanism and Gas Lift - [3 years]
NEUE does NOT cover the following under this warranty:
-Defects in Products purchased through unauthorized resale, remarketing or distribution.
-Normal wear and tear including but not limited to the wear and tear or degradation of mesh, top portion of armrests, lumbar pillow, casters exterior, ControlShiftâą paddles, variance of tightness of mechanisms.
-Damage caused by a service performed by anyone who is not officially acting as an employee, representative or sub-contractor of NEUE.
-Any damage to the Products or to any property or person, caused by failure to adhere to NEUEâs published instructions and guidelines, accident, abuse, misuse, water, flood, fire, or other acts of nature or external causes (including, without limitation, use of the Product in unsuitable environments or conditions).
-Defects in a Product that has been modified or altered, including the substitution of any unauthorized components for use in place of the original components in the Product.
-Defects in a Product caused by failure to use, apply, install, reconfigure or maintain the Product or component according to NEUEâs published instructions.
-Minor aesthetic and cosmetic abnormalities or variations which do not affect the functionality of the Product.
So the parts that will actually wear out are only on a 3 & 5 year warranty and they have listed enough under the NOT covered clause to reject pretty much any issue you run into.
Herman Miller is a 12 year parts & labor on the whole chair, no questions asked.
Something to consider for sure.
@@zeta42 That's just shady business practice because a lot of people won't read the warranty statement and when they run into problems they are met with nasty surprise.
@@IchiroSakamoto It's literally every company. Of course they won't give 12y warranty on the armrests, and so won't herman miller. Even PU gets used, and the usage of a product is something that is expected to happen. Imagine being able to have warranty on car tires and returning them because you used them
@@giedrius2149 Check your facts again, Herman Miller's warranty covers the entire chair.
I know a friend who had a squeaking issue with the armrest on his Aeron, the authorised dealer he bought the chair from had no problem replacing it with a new one.
You just made me love my Neue all over again.
I really wish weâd move away from âgamingâ chairs and have more of this from these companies, secret lab especially with their ability to design some models with larger people in mind. Need more best of both worlds hitting the mainstream market. Iâve got a staples dexley currently until I can find a good deal on an aeron size c, mesh seats are the way to go until someone can partner with purple or something for proper cushioning.
Herman Miller Embody x Logitech
@@StardustLegacyFighter Now that's a good gaming chair. Although you're probably paying more for the Logitech branding and partnership. The regular Embody ain't that much different from this Embody.
@Frost Winter What?
@@dylanloo9856 Well, the non-gaming Embody is no longer available in the UK, the logitech variant is the only one available.
Personally, I'd want the OG Embody with the black balance fabric, since I don't like materials that make me feel too hot.
Thank you for the in depth review! Hopefully they'll make a chair like this for us bigger folk out there soon!
i adore these vids lol, i just found your channel and i've learned a ton about selecting a new chair. your production is also super impressive and i really enjoyed the lighting, keep it up! :D
Wow you answered all my questions about this chair. I thank you so much!
It's bc I can read minds....woooOOOOoooOooOOooOOOOoo
lol thanks for the kind words!
Never had a fart stain in a chair much less forever. That's a new one. lol!
Ewww
Ikr
Right haha also I don't smell my seat before I sit down
Shart*
That's the best chair review I've ever seen. There are some design things that you never really think about until you see them.
Itâs the same chair from a Chinese brand called ergroup.
You could find it on taobao for half the price, or probably on aliexpress.
Iâve post this days before, not sure why the comment got deleted.
Sometimes youtube deletes random comments. Did you leave a link? Sometimes it auto deletes those. Not sure why.
@@Ahnestly yep, probably because I left a link LOL.
Found it! Ergroup is also a distributor. Main manufacturer I believe is GT chair. Iâm not sure if I shld buy neue at $1000(full) or from ergroup at $650(inclusive of shipping).
Iâm considering the risk and exchange options shld I need it. Though the 50% mark up savings is definitely a big motivating factor.
i adore you omfg thank you so having all 3 of these chairs and reviewing them thoroughly!!!
You're very welcome. Wish my wife was as thrilled that I have all 3...since we have nowhere to pull all the 9+ chairs I have at this point...
You are like the Dave2D of chairs... Great review.
Thank you!!! Being compared to Dave2D is super humbling! haha
Glad I stumbled over this channel - after watching this video, I was convinced the "Neue" is the right choice for me... and I used the affiliate Link ;-)
Keep making quality content like this!
Thank you!!
dude first time watching your content and YOU are talking about every tiny Detail!! Its so Informative and enjoyable to watch and listen tho. Really impressed and glad i found you. instant Subbed
Thank you!!!!!
Great video and detailed explanation! glad to have chanced upon this!
Nice!!!
Appreciate the reviews of this and lots of other chairs. Since I'm also 5'6" and on the somewhat smaller side (currently 152lbs but wider shoulders), I was almost sold on this, then I saw the return policy... Oof, 20% fee on top of paying return shipping. That makes just trying the Neue a much more difficult proposition...
Guess I'll need to find an office furniture shop near me and try something there, really too bad since I wanted to try either this or the Titan Evo 2022, but it seems like they're just too risky for me. This one with the fee and the small Titan probably having too much seat depth (and possibly constricting shoulder area?).
Thanks for all the info!
no worries and that makes total sense!
@@Ahnestly been watching lots of other of your videos, as I think I'm finally ready to move on from my old Staples Acadia, leaning towards maybe one of the HM gaming chairs... I'll have to see if I can find any of them locally to sit in. If I end up ordering anything online, I'll be sure to use one of your codes if I'm able.
Thanks again for the in-depth info!
@@remotecontrolaxe hey what chair did you buy
@@Prxsumo hey, I ended up with the Sayl, and I'm happy with it. I still wouldn't mind if its backrest didn't go so sharply backwards at the top, but meh it seems I just don't need as much upper back support. So I just sit on the chair with my lower back getting good support and maybe a little bit on my mid back, but my upper back is typically a couple inches forward from the top of the backrest... Which is actually fine.
I bought a Steelcase Amia from a local place as it felt great in the showroom, but after a few days in it at home, I returned it. Later, I ordered the Sayl and Embody direct from HM, and I took a while deciding. Ultimately, the Embody, while neat, pushed with hard plastic into my low-mid back and so just didn't feel good. So I returned that (got my full refund) and kept the Sayl.
Hope this helps, good luck!
This review is great! Love the humor and honesty
You spelled "ahnesty" wrong, but I forgive you. LOL. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement!!
This was a super in depth and well done review. And I hadn't even heard of this chair until I clicked your video. Thanks very much for not only introducing the product but explaining in great detail everything about it, while actually sitting in it! Good content!
it's a knock off Teknion Contessa.
@@MakinaDeMuerte That has nothing to do with my comment? I went with a Herman Miller anyway
@@lemonstrudel4595 That's great.
@@lemonstrudel4595 Good choice.
yesss! was looking for a review on this chair!
Yo I love your hustle...your videos make me feel mad guilty when I stare at my huge gut in my videos....hahahaha
@@Ahnestly thank you my man! and noooo!!!! haha - if you ever need the home workouts, you know where to go! đŹđđœ
J'ai acheté la chaise. Pour ceux qui passent par là , voici mon avis pour 1,71m/69kg
Ce qui fait que je regrette cet achat, en plus d'avoir essayé une chaise "chaise sitek confort 7770" plus confortable chez office dépÎt et qui coute 200e de moins et qui est supérieur sur tous les points.
Les moins:
- Surtout, le soutien lombaire trop petit qui donne une sensation de dureté dans le bas du dos...des fois. Pas agréable au final.
- La hauteur max des accoudoirs n'est pas de 80cm comme annoncée mais de 77,5cm voire 76 qd je suis assis. :((
- L'assise en mesh qui n'est pas aussi confortable que de la mousse (et de la chaise que j'ai essayé qui est mousse/mesh)
- Retour beaucoup trop cher (20% + le transport, cout total: 400⏠via UPS !!). Ce qui m'oblige à la garder finalement. Non en fait, je l'ai revendu et acheté la sitek.
- Les accoudoirs (2D only) qui ne sont pas reculables pour s'approcher d'avantage du bureau.
- Les accoudoirs qui n'ont pas de verrouillage. La position max fait qu'ils redescendent tt en bas (rarement qd mĂȘme)
- Les roulettes moquette pas adapté à mon sol (mais je pense que c'est du 11cm standard pour pouvoir les changer facilement, j'espÚre, je ne suis pas sur....)
- Filtre les avis negatifs sur leur site, ils n'ont pas mis le mien.
Les plus:
- L'appui tĂȘte quasi obligatoire si vous achetez la chaise. un rĂ©gal de confort et de rĂ©glage
- Les gùchettes au accoudoir, gadget mais facile d'accÚs pour les différents utilisateurs
- Les accoudoirs trĂšs large, confortable.
- Le support en alu, trĂšs quali.
- Elle reste confortable (sauf l'assise au niveau des jambes au niveau du mesh et de la mousse qui le soutient). J'ai des fourmis ds les jambes avec. Un comble !
Hi! do you still have the reference of the model tested? Thank you!
@@olima1502 I'm sorry, I didn't find this chair on internet. I know the name "chaise confort" but not the technical name. I don't want to go back to the store. It's hurt me, I m so sad now. All their chair are not on their website.
I google translated this and this is an awesome perspective!!
@@olima1502 sitek confort 7770
Secret lab is a reseller for the neuechair.
(I don't think they have anything to do with the production of it)
Yeah you are correct!
I'm just imagining someone farting so hard they actually stain their computer chair forever. That's fucking metal dude.
I will never be able to get this image out of my head.
it's not fucking metal, it's fucking methane, dude.
Ahnestly you are THE authority on desk chair atm. Love the content!
Thank you!!!
Another superb review. I like that you mention the little things that I suddenly discover are important to me too, like resting feet on the chairs legs ( I do that practically as a norm) and sitting on top with legs crossed. All important factors for me. Keep up the fantastic work.
Nice!! Glad I could help you out!!
It would be great if you could review Steelcase chairs. I find them incredibly good looking but don't know how comfortable they are. Would appreciate a review on those if possible.
Second that idea, would be grand!
I'd like to, but they never responded back to me. I picked up the Embody bc I actually wanted one...I'll see if I can get my hands on some steelcase chairs!
@@Ahnestly Probably check if anyone in the community uses one and you can borrow it for a review?
I have a Steelcase Gesture, and it's fantastic. Working from home, and gaming at night, so probably 10 hours a day in it, and no comfort issues at all.
Secret lab doesnât advertise it as much because itâs not their chair technically. Itâs a collaboration between the original manufacturer I believe.
Damn Iâm blown away by the quality of this content
I love avocados. We'll call it even ;-)
Yikes you're about to get these chairs sold out. I'm still deciding whether I want it or should continue hunting for a good Aeron.
Just a buy a Steelcase Leap v2. they run a few hundred less than an Aeron and theyre arguably more comfortable.
Thanks for the heads up regarding the height of people this chair was designed for. But that raises the question: Which chair would you recommend for someone who is almost 6'6 (196cm) tall? The weight wouldn't be the limiting factor since I'm still below 200 lbs (90kg), but the length of my back and the shoulder with definitely is a problem
Greetings from Germany!
i've had a neue for a couple years now, I'm trying to change the casters but they don't want to just come out, It's almost like either the caster or the base is going to break. Does anyone have any tips?
I enjoyed yet another presentation!
Glad I decided to scroll through your videos, I have some decisions to make.
Wait til tomorrow! I have a full summary video! Should make life a bit easier but itâs gonna be long
I was contemplating getting this chair, but I read too many reviews and saw too many pictures of the mesh stretching, sagging, and splitting off the frame.
That was enough for me to steer clear, and apparently at 6' 2" I'm too tall for this chair anyway.
Oh man...did not know that. I know mesh is always tricky, but if I see reports here of it happening to people, I'll release an update.
@@Ahnestly Cool - keep us updated if it happens to yours; from what I've read Secret Lab has been less than forthcoming or helpful when it comes to addressing the mesh issue.
I have this chair almost a year, and it got to the point where it physically hurts to sit only after 3 hours. Mesh is the weakest point and after while its really saggy, the plastic frame of sitting area pushes to legs from sides. Also the lumbar support is real joke too it wont stay in higher positions, always sliding down and also does not support back, when the mesh on back side gets saggy real quick too, your back starts to sink more and that lumbar support push really hard. As of the rest, whole frame and mechanism for tilting and "pedals" under armrests are really good but its not worth the money, now I am waiting for Herman Miller Mirra 2 to be delivered and I cant wait to get rid of this chair. I hope that my review helps. Wish I knew before because it was quite an investment, I paid 750 âŹ, and I finally saved money for new chair that I already ordered.
@@markorimar6245 thanks mate for your review. I was thinking of buying a Mira 2 before I saw this review. At one moment I thought giving the Neue a try and I was looking for some info to help make my choice, I have back problems and I seat 8h+ on my office so I'm looking for something reliable. The Mira 2 is 1k⏠and the Neue is half the price but with your review I think Mira is worth the money
I think Herman Miller is really leading the mesh tech for sure
@Ahnestly I'm thinking about buying the secratlab, but I found a post on reddit that you sit through the mesh on a piece of plastic and this can be very uncomfortable, have you made experiences with it after a few years of use?
You're often an objective dude in your reviews and say a lot of ahnest stuff, so I'd love to see some reviews from you on some saddle chairs. Some sources claim that they're the healthiest kind of chairs because they emulate the posture of a person when horse-riding, and humans have done horse-riding for uncountable eons, and so on.
Also, I would really, really love to see a video where you describe the differences between the Herman Miller Aeron Fixed PostureFit and the Aeron Adjustable PostureFit, because there's a strangely significant price gap between both chairs or options. And there's very little information on the web about the differences (I did try searching several times), so that could be a gap that you can fill when it comes to relevant search results. It would be great to know if it's possible to upgrade from the Fixed to the Adjustable, or does the Adjustable PostureFit has some knob that's built into the base of the seat or what.
And thank you, Dan.
First, thank you for spelling "Ahnestly" correctly! Second, I reached out for the Capisco chair but got nothing...I personally wouldn't use a saddle chair, so not sure if I would review one...I can if someone was willing to send one to me for sure! Third - I think you're using incorrect terminology for the lumbar supports. There is the posturefit, which came on the classic aerons, and then the Posturefit SL, which come on the remastered aerons. Both posturefits are adjustable (only in/out). I prefer the classic's posturefit. The posturefit SL comes already installed on a back rest, but i can't for certainty if you can replace the back on a classic aeron.
â@@Ahnestly Thank you for responding and explaining all that.
Regarding the PostureFit versions that I mentioned, check out this store, which has branches in several EU countries. This is the "fixed PostureFit" version, which costs âŹ1000 new:
www.dpj-workspace.com/se/ergonomiset-toimistotuolit/2745-herman-miller-aeron-fixed-posturefit-support-.html
And this is the "adjustable PostureFit" version, which costs âŹ1350:
www.dpj-workspace.com/se/ergonomiset-toimistotuolit/5361-herman-miller-aeron-adjustable-posturefit-support.html
See if you can maybe use the Google Translate extension on Google Chrome to translate the language of the pages, or if you can change the country to an English-speaking one, but the names of the chairs are mostly in English.
And after what you said, I'm not sure what that store means exactly by fixed and adjustable PostureFit.
Ah I see. So HM doesn't make that non adjustable version anymore. I recommend the posturefit sl bc you can't replace it later on or if you do, it'll be very expensive
@@Ahnestly Thank you very much for the advice, Dan.
I'm currently finalizing my thoughts and research between the Aeron and the Mirra 2, the Mirra 2 Butterfly's main advantage being significantly cheaper. And your advice helped me rule that that weird fixed PostureFit cheaper version of the Aeron now.
If you ever get your hands on a Herman Miller Mirra 2 Butterfly, I'd love to watch your review of it.
Very late response to this comment, I know, but in my line of work employers almost always give us saddle chairs to use because they're meant to be better for your posture. From my experience they are a bit better but not by much. Now I've only used cheaper shitty ones and most haven't had backrests so I end up slouching a lot but I can say for certain that back support is a way more important aspect to chair design than the saddle. The main advantage of it is that you can go waaaay higher with it and still remain "seated" in the chair because you can just have your legs go basically straight down into a semi-standing position. I'd be intrigued to try an expensive and well made saddle chair with good back support but from my experience there is only a small benefit!
I really like ur reviews
Thanks for the really kind words!!! Seriously appreciate it!!
This has gotta be one of the best chair reviews/comparisons I've seen on YT. Well done!
Thank you!!!
Love the review very informative but you didn't really show off the chairs as much as I had hoped. Like the most attractive part of the Neue Chair the back. I wouldv'e loved to see some cinematic shots of the chairs from different perspectives as I'm interested in buying a Neue in the future.
I'll try to add some more b roll of the chairs in the future. I didn't have the right equipment to offer as much b roll when I made this video, but now I do!
The all mesh is so good. You can sit on it all day in bliss.
You mentioned having access to both chairs being good, but, as someone currently looking at buying two new office chairs, you suggest: A) Aeron + Embody or B) Embody + Neue
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To clarify (as we just tried these today), the wife prefers the Aeron thanks to the tilt forward (she likes to lean forward) and back and I prefer the Embody letting me have more freedom in posture. FIgured we'd just get one of each since we both WFH nowadays.
Embody + aeron hands down. The neue is good bc of its price but nothing can touch the aeron when it comes to mesh quality and not to mention warranty! If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps this channel a LOT! Let me know if you have other Qs
@@Ahnestly Haha Almost didn't expect a response, so I really appreciate the feedback. You're probably the best creator on YT for chair reviews that I've found. Helped me really narrow in on the HM models. I'll be sure to see if I can use the links; currently on-floor rep is offering 10% discount, but if that's the same online then definitely would like to support the channel
At the end of the day do what works for you!!
I have a 2018 Secret Lab Omega and it's falling apart, the tilt lock just died on it so it's constantly moving now. I am probably going to get an Aeron I work in IT and I PC game in my free time so it'd be worth having a 12 year warranty and a chair that I have heard is still in use 20+ years later and working well on some of those 20+ year old chairs. Expensive but basically a chair for life.
I used to love my Aeron until I discovered the HM Embody, the Steelcase Amia, and the Haworth Fern. Those are my top 3 picks!
@@Ahnestly I use my chair for work and gaming and the 12 year warranty and chairs lasting like 20+ years easily sounded good since the Secret Lab started crapping out like 2-3 years in and only a 1 year warranty.
Which would you recommend for my use case? (I also sweat alot so I liked the mesh idea)
Looked at those chairs none of them appear to be mesh.
@@spookykid666 If you need mesh, Aeron is king. If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
@@Ahnestly Will you still get credit when it changes over to the Canadian site after I click it?
14:30 I don't like chair arms in general, I feel they are kind of in the way when I am typing and I don't really need to rest my arms (really? Like sitting wasn't already bad enough?). Is it possible to remove them?
had htis chair for a month maybe 2 now, and the recline lock no longer works anyone had this issue and know how to fix it?
Maybe if this was on eBay, as they are doing 5% eBay bucks right now, I'd consider getting it right now.
Yeahhhh I love ebay's ebay bucks! I'm waiting for my $75 ebay bucls to go shopping next month lolol
Ngl, the old chair I bought at goodwill feels better than any new chair I've tried
If it works for you, then great!!
So watching your videos I think I've narrowed it down between this chair (which I didn't even know about) and the Embody. I have the Aeron and don't like it. It's just not a comfortable chair. I think part of the reason is i'm only 130lbs, so it feels too firm for me. So I'm looking for something that's really comfortable and that has a great recline feature or ability to recline a good amount.
Between the Embody and the Neue (if price isn't an issue), is there a clear winner? Or is there a situation where you'd prefer one over the other. For example, would one be better for reclining while using a laptop? Or better for reclining w/ some popcorn and watching a movie? Or is more more comfortable for just working at the computer for several hours a day...
Your videos are SO GOOD!!! Really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these. Whichever one i get, i'll definitely use your links! :D
Thank you for the kind words!!! So I had a friend over to test some chairs for me since he's 6'1 and he, my wife, and I all agree - the embody is on the next tier up but the Neue is the next best, with its equal being the Aeron classic with posture fit. I think the embody is still a better overall buy, as the mesh worries me a bit on the Neue and I found out secretlab doesn't warranty it. The embody is my overall choice! Hope this helps!
Nice.. Head rest wise most of these chairs doesn't have the right fit for someone 6'2..dosethe headrest adjust higher
It does go higher as shown in the video
I bought one of these last year, abaolutely love this chair. I do find it funny its really hard to find the chair on the website hah
Right? Man I love this chairâŠjust wish the mesh was better!!!
Thanks for your detailed review. You cover all the info well, and share both pros and cons.
Q: Does Secret Lab have any stores or are they only sold directly from Secret Labs? I've gone through too many chairs to be reluctant to buy one without trying it in person.
Hey Dave! Glad you liked it. No stores unfortunately and their return process seems to be a bit frustrating based on feedback.
TEKNION CONTESSA
Okay, so. Just wanted to state that I did watch through entire vid for your take on this chair. But, this is for the audience and I will try to be as concise as possible.
1. DO NOT purchase expensive chairs you cannot test beforehand for your own body comfort. When you test a chair, use it for a good half hour or so, on site, if you must.
2. The Neue mesh is nowhere close to the quality of Pellicle mesh used on the Aeron. Not even close. My Neue had sagging in less than a week which, in turn, can create uncomfortable friction and pressure. My 17+ year old Aeron has virtually no degradation at all. Still soft and taught. AND there is no coverage on mesh under Neue warranty.
3. The non-modular lumbar support lacks in quality, being stiff plastic with little in the way of cushioning. Because of my body type(5'10', 150lbs for loose reference) and not having much for back fat, I think, the lumbar pad is inordinately uncomfortable against my spine and back. It feels like using a giant lego as a lumbar pillow. Even with seat pan in it's forwardmost position and seat back in it's most rear. And again, cannot be removed. Any adjustments one can make to lumbar support, seat pan and seat back are all minimal.
4. IF you do not end up wanting to keep the chair, it is a pain in the ass and quite expensive to ship back. Also whatever division they have for Neue CS is not great. You first must contact them about a return. Wait for return email on instructions, which can take days. Then you're required to dismantle the chair with the assistance of tools you may or may not have and it can take some force, all the while worrying about damaging a component that will cause problems with getting your refund. Then pack the chair back in the box it came in, in the exact way it came out. Take a picture and send to Secret Lab for approval. Wait potentially a couple days again to gain approval for return. Long story made shorter, I bought Obsidian edition with headrest. Came out to about $720. Total cost to have it shipped back from NY to Utah, along with 20% product assessment fee...$500+. Not to mention the time invested in trying to obtain a successful return, in the first place.
5. Not telling you not to look into this chair but..DO NOT PURCHASE EXPENSIVE CHAIRS YOU CANNOT TEST BEFOREHAND FOR YOUR OWN BODY COMFORT.
Yes, totally agree with checking out the chair in person. Each person is different, but my wife who has little back fat found this chair to be fine. And totally feel you on tat return/warranty policy...
@@Ahnestly Yeah, I had thought about it when you had brought up your wife. Just brings to mind possible body type differences. But, maybe even more importantly, how much time had she spent using it. My first days in the chair from light to moderate use, I felt no discernable problems. It wasn't until I started using it as my main "all day" chair that I started to experience certain issues. Sorry man, haha, I appreciate your content overall. This chair is just a specific case for me and I'd like to save people the trouble that I had experienced with it. I do wish I could have tested it somewhere first, for sure.
Very well done review!
If you are tall as 6.3 - 1.93 and 105 kg is Neue definitely not good for you is it ? I have some lower back , pain and issues btw
Yeah...I wouldn't recommend it. I'd spend the little extra and go with a gesture, size C Aeron, or even Embody (headrest should be coming out next year)
I think one of the only chairs that come with a headrest that has good adjustability is the ErgoTune Supreme. But unfortunately, that chair is only available in Singapore and Australia.
I'm in Australia and I heard good things about the Ergotune Supreme so I got one but ended up returning it after a few weeks. The main issue is that it's a mesh seat with the front of it padded which was a bit firmer than the mesh, and what was said in this review about that padding digging into your hamstrings after a while was what happened with the Ergotune for me. Except it was worse because unlike this chair and many others, the front of the chair was basically flat and didn't slope down in that typical "waterfall" design. I couldn't sit in it for any real length of time as a result, my legs and knees would get sore after only 20 minutes or so and I couldn't find a comfortable calibration no matter how much I tried. I didn't have any problems with their refund process though so there's that.
@@WhitePointerGaming Wat bruh, I'm in Australia too and I got this chair about 3 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. I notice that the pad at the front of the seat is actually not as aggressive as the Neuechair tho. Like when Dan sits in the Neuechair at 11:22, u can see the mesh just before the pad creasing/folding up quite aggressively. The Ergotune Supreme on the other hand, does not. Therefore, I find that the transition from the mesh seat to the foam padding is actually quite seamless and I don't notice the foam padding underneath my thighs at all. Even if I hang my legs off the ground and let the weight of my legs rest on the foam padding, it's not uncomfortable at all for me. Maybe heavier people will experience this issue more. But I haven't seen anyone complaining about this issue for the Ergotune Supreme so far besides u. Even A2K who is on the heavy side, did not mention this issue at all when he reviewed this chair: czcams.com/video/cXKJGg8cCQQ/video.html. May I know what's your height and weight? Mine is 183cm and 52kg.
@@dylanloo9856 Yeah it was disappointing. I'm about 177cm, around 90kgs and certainly didn't expect any issues like that but the Ergotune just made my legs very sore, that front padding just dug into my hamstrings and caused me a lot of discomfort (which likely wouldn't have happened had the seat front used a waterfall design). I tried to calibrate the chair as much as I could over a period of about 3 weeks but couldn't find a comfortable configuration. I couldn't sit it in for more than 20 minutes or so and I needed to return it. Also even though the armrests were supposed to be stiffer on the newer model, I found they still moved out of position accidentally far too easily when I leaned on them.
@@WhitePointerGaming Damn wat a shame. Regarding the armrests tho, there r times where I leaned on them and they move, but that happens extremely rarely coz I normally just rest my arms flat on top of the armrests. If u rest ur arms close to the edge where it slopes downwards, then yea there is a higher chance of moving them. I do wish they could be lower at the lowest height tho coz they still rub against the underside of my desk when I push my chair under my desk. Also I wish the armrests can be adjusted further back or at least follow your body when u recline coz my elbows have pretty much no support at all when I'm reclined which is not comfortable at all. But overall, I love the armrests on this chair.
@Ahnestly I've been seeing a lot of complaints online about the chair starting to sag after only a weeks use, what have your experience been?
You can find it on Alibaba, it's just a rebranded Chinese chair being sold at a ridiculous markup by SecretLabs.
I LIKE THIS GUY, QUALITY CONTENT!
I LIKE THIS GUY, USES CAPS LOCK! lol in all seriousness, thank you for the kind words!
Ahn what's the light in the back? Is it like one of those corner lights just tipped over or something?
Naw, it's a stick light. A lot of people have asked...it's a discontinued video light. I plan on making a video about stick lights in the near future!
Seeing Secretlab producing a normal office chair and not those shitty "gaming" rubbish, really is a fresh breath of air. All those gaming chair companies should focus more on producing ergonomic office chairs.
It's a copy of Teknion Contessa.
Tbf i have a Titan evo 2022 now and replaced my office chair. Boy my titan evo 2022 is so much more comfy. I mean just stay away from the Dx racer copy cats and you should be fine
@@wargames43 I'm glad it worked out for you. Maybe I should consider it.
This chair looks great only dealbreaker is arms arent removable, I like to take mine off
I love that you get into the possibility of permanent fart stench lol
love your videos man keep it up! one question would u say its worth it for the extra money get the neue comapred to getting the secret lab titan or omega? im thinking of buying titan for my birthday but is the extra 100 worth it?
That depends on what you want. The Neue will come with inherent risks like the mesh might give, that the secretlabs won't (well, all PU leather will eventually tear too). I like the Neue better than the gaming chairs, if that helps at all. Just make sure you're within the dimensions I mentioned in the video!
Would you recommend the "Neue tm silver" or the "titan evo 2022 regular" for someone with 180 cm height and 80 kg in weight, for comfort and fixing posture over time, i don't care about looks, less than 600 $ ?
Unfortunately I think you might be too heavy for the Neue. As for which chair, check out my most recent video (not the shorts video, but series called whatâs the best chair for you and watch pt2. Lots of people in your height and weight class!
This review was really helpful! I was eyeing neue, but im a bigger guy and i should wait for them to make a larger version(they will have to do it, people are just getting bigger and bigger)!
Just get a used Teknion Contessa.... I'm a bigger guy too. When I was looking for aeron alternatives it looked like a really nice chair.
Hi there, thanks for putting the time for this review.
However, some of the features that you've missed covering:
1. Aeron can also become an lounge chair as well. You can lean it back and comfortably watch a movie for all it's duration
2. The rocking movement comparation, which is another key feature to consider. The word outhere is that Aeron has the best, smoothest one out of all high-end desktop chairs
3. Another focal point, also a key selling point, is that the Aeron it's a modular design. This means that, practically, it's a lifetime chair for the fact that you can always easily DIY order and replace either the seating or the backrest
4. The producer's warranty also worths mentioning. Aeron's got a shocking 12.5 years. How about Neuechair?
Can we all agree this is a paid review, therefore, the above points have been omitted?
All the best luck!
I appreciate your comments. I no longer recommend this chair due to the loose mesh, but everyone who's sat on this chair (and there have been many, since I have many get togethers) really really liked this chair.
Also, if I was paid for the review, I would BY LAW have to disclose it. So yeah, no, it wasn't a paid review.
Ok, you convinced me and I subscribed to your channel, now you have to create a video telling how to buy an used aeron in Canada, outside Ontario and BC. Itâs nearly impossible to find one! I can find many in US but no one that sends a chair to Winnipeg! I tried to buy a Neue Chair instead, and guess what happened? They donât deliver in Canada! Send one to me, please! :)
I wish I could do so! Not in Canada though so have no idea how :( and yeah, the neue wonât ship to Canada unfortunately!!
It's like the secret SecretLab flagship chair.
Great review, very helpful. I think the head rest is great, however people are getting lazy. Theyâll want motors on all adjustments.
I have a Neuechair from January 2021.
Since then :
The 2 armrest pad cracked on the side, replaced by Secretlabs, is a comon issue, and my new pads begin to do the same....
One armrest got break and fall all the way down, the whole chair go replaced by Secretlabs.
The caster are horrible, and they have a non standard axes size
The Mesh is scratchy like the green side of a sponge...
Overall, that was not a good experience for me, i have order an Embody to replace it.
But i have to admin that the Secretlabs customer service was very responsive and efficient, that the best point for this chair, because you will need it.
I'm gonna say you sold me on the Neue just on the fact that I'm always putting one leg or the other up and thats the deciding factor in me not getting a Herman.
I've got a blind test coming shortly on my other channel (The Blind Guys)! I think that'll help cement your decision! It's dropping tomorrow at 10:45AM!
@@Ahnestly can't wait to check it out. Will keep a look out for it.
This chair looked so frickin' familiar... it's a Teknion Contessa!!! Guys, if you like this chair-get a Teknion Contessa used or just get the Teknion Contessa.
1000âŹ, sure...
Or even the GTChair Marrit. That chair is like a 1:1 replica of the NeueChair lol. Idk which one came first tho.
Thanks man just bought mine today
Now I want this chair
Just wanna say that I love your socks hahahaha
Thank you!!!
Hi nice video, can you tell me which is for you the best confortable chair for office?
Buying the Neue Chair over the used Aeron was a big mistake for me. 6 months on Neue and still can't find a setting I like, I just feel uncomfortable...
Also the marketing done buy SecretLab is a bit shady, the warranty is a joke and the return policy even more terrible.
I hope I will have the money to buy a used Aeron or Embody soon.
P.S.: Just to add a note to the SecretLab marketing, they try to pass the concept that they develped the chair and it's sort of german engineering when this chair is just a rebranded GT-Chair (China). Vertagear also does this with their "Trigger" chair, same as Neue with a different color.
just curious how tall are you? you think someone thats 5'4" would be more comfortable. ?
@@stella24oz I'm 1.87m. I guess that's a problem, sometimes I hit against the top plastic with my shoulders and the headrest also hit my shoulders even if I put it at max height.
The bad thing is that they don't say it in the website or I never found it, there are alot of people taller than 1.80m. It should be good from 1.80m and down but I can't tell for sure
Sorry but I odn't know how the foot measures work.
btw, there are a lot of ergonomic chairs with better warranty and return policy than Neue/SecretLab and definitely with a better reputation. I suggest you to look around and buy something from a better company like Herman Miller or SteelCase.
You are right, this chair is IDENTICAL to the GT chair Marrit X from China but twice as expensive, not to mention that the China brandâs 5 years warranty policy is even more transparent
what chair would you recommend for someone 6 ft and 300 pounds?
Check out my video entitled âwhich chair is best for you?â I break down all my top picks for people of all sizes.
We just bought the Neue Silver chair for my wife. I saw great reviews online on the chair until I came here to CZcams. BIG PROBLEMS it seems with the chair. I think the chair is being sent to us tomorrow. Is it best for us to keep it sealed and send it back immediately? I am now concerned that we have wasted 670 euros. Any feedback will be much appreciated. With thanks!
Great view. Love the vibe of the channel
Thank you!!!
Omg i was looking for exactly sth like that ty!!
Woot woot!
I cant find the renewed aeron in this mineral silver color, can only find it in black. Howd u do it? thanks for the video
Hey man i clicked the link for the chair in the description and even went on the secretlab website manually, but they appear to have taken it off the site. Know anywhere else I can buy it?
Thanks for the review. Just what I was looking for.
I'm mostly surprised about the fact that Secret Lab makes this chair, yet it's their bloody gaming chairs that get so overly promoted. When are gamers gonna learn, that gaming chairs kill their backs? (As does cheap office chairs too mind you). This looks like a perfect blend between the two worlds.
How's the Aeron for playing guitar? I'm close to buying one but I feel like guitar would be a big issue. I saw the Embody is fine for it but you can't do a head rest with the Embody and the arms are pretty lame for a $1600 chair.
Terrible unless you buy an armless version! also, I like the arms much better on the embody than the aeron, but that's personal preference. They go lower, can go FAR out and CLOSE in. I don't mind that they can't slide in or out or pivot!
Hey guys, where can I buy this LED light tube? I know the IKEA one is not available anymore but however I think there are other options with RGB and with controllable lighting via an app? Thank you in advance :)
I actually picked up a Neue without a headrest. Now I want to add one. I wish Atlas made one for the Neue. Great review on the chair! One thing I would like on the Neue is the ability to tilt the seat instead of just the back.
yeah i hear ya...need those armrests to come with me
@@Ahnestly yeah definitely this too
Would you recommend a second hand Steelcase leap or Neue chair? I can't seem to find any second hand Neues, so they end up being roughly the same price.
Anyone happen to know how well this would do versus a Steelcase Series 1 or 2? A fully-loaded Series 2 is out of my price range but not the entry version of it.
What are your thoughts between this vs the Secret Labs Titan Evo 2022? I'll check to see if you have a video relating. I'm between deciding on these two chairs right now.
Really depends on your height/weight! If you're taller (5'11+) or heaver than 160lbs, should check out the Titan. If you're below those, Neue feels amazing!