Fire Alarm Test #68
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Test of an older 120vac closed contact system in an apartment building. This particular system has no central panel and it's relative componets are wired and fed directly from the buildings AC circuitry.
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Them things sound like a scoreboard
Exactly what fire alarms sounded like when I was a kid in grade school. Even in high school in the late 90s.
Yeah scoreboards use the same type of AC powered horns (not theese particular ones) like the Federal Signal Vibratone 350 or the Wheelock 31T-115
When the fire alarms also the scoreboard alarm and the home team keeps scoring 🤣
I have seen an Edwards adaptahorn on a scoreboard.
@@djijspeakerguy4628 that is cool! I never thought that some EST alarms can be used on scoreboards.
Even better and rarer than I expected. Excellent video!
That's a really interesting setup. I'd have never thought that systems like this would be grandfathered into modern code, I'd have figured they'd have to be replaced.
FrostedStrobes I agree.
I think everywhere should have to update to current systems that meet codes
Especially since the building seems to have been remodeled...
@@TheJakeman789 That would kill small business owners like me, Grandfathering / 5th amendment is there for a reason.
@@randompersonFire That would not matter, only if the use of the building changes.
Oooh, a Faraday system from the 80s! A few buildings at my college campus have the newer version of those Faraday F1GT "Chevron" pulls; two buildings that share a Faraday MPC-7000 have the addressable versions with dual-action adapter covers on them (the alarms are Space Age VA4 horn/strobes.) My college started out with Standard Electric Time in the early 70s, then Simplex in the late 70s, switching to Faraday around the late 80s and sticking with them until early this decade when they switched to Notifier (along with a Fire-Lite system, but still Honeywell.(
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The system is 4208-1008
And there's Wheelock 7004s and 7004Ts
@@kayderrobh5931 there literally isn’t a panel
@@kayderrobh5931 and they're faraday 5505s
I wonder how much power all those combined use. Also I love how most 120 volt horns sound virtually the same. You really couldn’t tell there was a wheelock device in that system
Because a/c horns vibrate at 60 hz in North America and ac horns vibrat at the same 60 hz
@@justmike0000 That’s correct. I mean even the tonality and the pitch is the same.
THIS IS A ROBBERY! PUT THAT RARE AF HORN STROBE IN THE BAG!
XD
lel
I NEED THAT HORN!
Lmao
Lol
I just happened to notice, That the Fire alarm goes off INSTANTLY when the pull station is opened or pulled. There IS no panel between the Circut!
Yeah it's an old system there is not panel in place and the alarms are all rated for 120vac in the building so it has its own ac breaker so it will turn on instantly when pulls and turn off immediately when reset
This system has no panel, but some panels activate instantly as well - like the old Fire-Lite Miniscan series, and the Simplex 4207 and 2001.
Faraday F1GG pull stations and Faraday alarms with the 7002T style strobes, and a Wheelock 7004T? That’s something you don’t see everyday. Awesome video!
It’s not a 7004t, it’s a faraday 5505 horn strobe running on ac
Edit: there is one 7004t
@@dank980 yep there is! I wish all of them were 7004Ts
KTG 10 the Faraday 5505 series is alot more rare than the 7004Ts
@@sirensofsoutheastmichigan No, it is an 7004t, with a rare grill style. It's actually a Faraday 7004t, don't get the model number wrong.
@@princesstwilightsparkle1302 it’s actually a faraday rebranded simplex 9833
No panel means it must be a pain to find an activated device, especially a pull station since at least the smokes have sounders. Speaking of those smokes, I didn't think they made solo cups with that big of an adapter! Great vid!
The one panel is 4208-1008
@@kayderrobh5931 wdym
@@The09creeperidk the description says there’s no central panel
Nice! I’m loving the classic system and the elevator bell in he beginning.. older building huh
I’ve never seen a system like that before that looks cool but it looks rare to see and also I like how it uses the buildings AC Power
Hey what ever works right?
Yessss brand new video!!!
Please don't stop making these building Testing videos!!!
Impressive! Talk about a rare and interesting Faraday system!
Looks like they also have some Wheelock 7002t's or 34ts sprinkled in their too
Interesting! I have never seen an AC variant of the Faraday 5505!
When I get older I want to be a fire alarm technician just like you it looks like a really fun job.
I’m a fire alarm technician in the state of Oregon. We need more fire alarm technicians. Good luck to you
CZcams is a great place to learn how fire alarm systems work.
I hate to rain on your parade. But I’ll tell you now it’s tiring and demanding work a lot of the time
I would easily confuse this for a loud fridge or an air conditioner if I wasn’t in the hall
Sounds like the scoreboard during my hockey games, love that sound so much
Many smaller scoreboards actually use edwards adaptahorns for buzzers, which are very similar to these older AC-powered fire alarm buzzers in operation. The adaptahorn is a general alarm device, but they used to make a red version for fire alarm purposes. Most scoreboard buzzers are the grey version.
@@djijspeakerguy4628actually most use simplex 4050’s or federal signal 350’s
Those old detectors are more sensitive than some much newer detectors despite their advanced age
I like how the doors automatically shut when the alarms go off
It’s a system that’s tied to the alarm to prevent fires from spreading from floor to floor. It’s got magnetics so when the alarm sounds it disconnects making the doors close. Most public buildings or schools have them.
@@System6VideoProductions cool
Such a weird system. I like it!
Sounds like a prison security alarm
i know right
Wow
@@owensanders7432 nice profile pic
Thanks
@@owensanders7432 np btw do u have any vids on your channel
Reminds me of those old Edwards systems with three horns in a building
yeah they only need 3 because they are so loud that they quiite literally vibrate everything.
I love old setups
Lovin the faraday chevron at the beginning
These are alot better than the new ones with voices cause i sleep through these new ones
By far one of my favorite system setups. Very interesting and sounds cool.
I like the smoke detectors. Quiet beeping relative to the alarm, then BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRclick
What an interesting setup! It appears this system was installed at a time when panels weren’t really required for buildings? Also, I think those smokes alarms are made by Gentex
There were still true systems with FACP’s at the time however general contractors were less restricted on their options depending on building size and occupancy.
@@safetech 0:03 SCORE!
that place has nice pull stations,alarms and emergency lights
Huh, very unusual having the alarms wired directly into the building's power. Also for anyone wondering, the smoke detectors are indeed made by Gentex, you can also find them labeled Masterguard. (Masterguard is another brand name that Gentex uses to sell smoke, heat and CO detectors under) As far as how they activate the alarms, these particular detectors have internal Form C relays, which are most likely hooked to the same wiring that all the pull stations are, when the detector activates it activates its internal relay as well, which sounds the alarms. Kinda odd though how they first latch, (as evidenced by the LED illuminating steadily upon alarm unlike non-latching detectors where the LED pulses rapidly instead) and then they self-reset despite there being no panel to reset them. Even stranger is that they're the models with built-in horns when the building itself has separate fire alarm horn/strobes and thus the smoke detectors shouldn't require sounders as well. Very rare Faraday horn/strobes I see as well, the horns were rebranded by Simplex as the 2901-9833, albeit 24VDC instead of the 120VAC versions seen here. In fact, a number of both Simplex and Federal Signal horns were made by Faraday and then rebranded by those companies. Gotta agree with quite a few people in the comments, kinda surprised a system both this old and this not-up-to-code hasn't been replaced by now. (would definitely take quite a bit of rewiring since all the alarms are hooked directly to the initiating devices) I do see a Wheelock 7004T most likely replacing one of the older Faraday alarms, but that's about it. I'm guessing the smoke detectors are also not the originals. (one of them is so old apparently that it's turned yellow!)
And by that Simplex 2901-9833-AC
That 5505-AC
@@kayderrobh5931 What do you mean by both of your comments?
Y su pitido es más agudo.
@@gabrielaromero2694 ¿Qué quiere decir exactamente con eso?
From the AC Faraday to the AC Simplex! Now that’s what I call a rebrand!
Wow, those old Faraday horn/strobes sound healthy.
Also, smoke detectors are definitely Gentex. I think they're Gentex 8000s (smoke detectors with single set of contacts).
They should be 8120, Thats the 120v ones I think. I know the 8240 is 24v
Smoke alarm: fast beeping fire alarm answers: honnnnnk lol
Great video! Love the set up!
By far this is my favorite system, though missing a panel is weird
Responding to an alarm there must be fun... worst guessing game ever?
The person who pulled the alarm would likely indicate.
Oh wow, I didn't know there were AC versions of the Faraday 5505! These must be super rare! Did you happen to see what model number they were? This is a pretty cool system!
They are 5505 however unsure of the version. Just the AC type is all I know.
A DC 5505, sounds like a 6020.
@@lawrencem.tecson3222 1 still works no junk
This is a really cool fire alarm system! I love how they have smoke alarms on it with Piezo horns and Faraday AC horn strobe fire alarms. I wonder if a household smoke alarm would work on this system
those are basically household smoke alarms but idk if all of them have the ability to connect to horns
Boy those alarms will get ur attention for real
Do you see systems like this very often? It strikes me as strange to do this sort of setup on this large of a system with that age of equipment (I'm guessing 1980s). Unless this was a retrofit of some kind, which still seems odd that they'd leave such an obsolete setup in place.
How do those smokes work? Relays?
I’m probably not right, but this is my theory for how this system works.
I believe the Initiating Devices (Smokes & Pulls) are wired in Parallel. With all of the positive leads wired together and all of the negative leads wired together. Each device would have 4 wires going to it except for the last device on the loop.
All of those 7004t Horns are wired in parallel (so that each device gets the same voltage and amperage) along with Inverting Realys (NOT Gates) to drop power from the door holders (These relays are potentially built in to each door holder).
As soon as a pull station is pulled (or a smoke detector is tripped), it shunts its terminals, completes the circuit, and makes the horns sound.
No need for EoL Resistors here, there is no supervision...
I also think that this would be a challenging system to add a proper panel to as those 7004t horns use AC voltage and not DC voltage.
Standard normally open relays. Smokes are 4-wire.
Knife is in a bag
Those smoke alarms sound like they’re on drugs or something
I had these alarms in my elementary school when I was in 2nd and 3rd grade.
Nice and loud... the only way. I assume the 7004t probably replaced a Faraday horn, since it appears to be an otherwise Faraday system. I had seen these particular pulls somewhere before but wasn't sure who made them.
You're right!
And he goes for the buzzer beater 0:03
I knew you were going to upload tonight. Keep up the good content!!
AC variants of the 5505 and a Wheelock 7004T! So cool!
I was not expecting to see that 7004T at the end.
I'm surprised that there is a door magnet system with no panel
These fire alarm sounds so beautiful but are those commercial or residential smoke alarms?
Awsome I had no idea they had door closers back then or door holders
My elementary school back in the 80s had them although it was a school specially for children and adults with disabilities so maybe they were only required for those types of buildings in that era.
Smoke alarm : starts making bird sounds fire alarm: honks are there birds in here? oh its just u smoke alarm people: is there a game going on? Oh its the fire alarm being tested
Wow was those smoke Detectors Gentex
Woah! Rare alarms!
Yea,it olso 4208-1008 system
Not sure if this setup is up to code to this day. Who knows.
I love the old horns they s look like the 7002t
that’s pretty silly two smoke alarms next to each other that activate a nearby horn I wonder if the horns of the smoke alarms are all interconnected too
I think one smoke alarm tripped the whole system, and the beeping helps you find which one activated
Say the Smoke Detectors were to activate in an Alarm Condition. Would they keep the building in alarm or would the alarm shut off after a few minutes? Like they keep doing in the video.
Would stay in alarm as long as smoke is detected similar to single-station household detectors.
Faraday 7004ts. That's awesome. Keep up the good work
They faraday 5505... not even 7004ts..
You are silly guys, they are Faraday 7004ts, don't get the model numbers wrong.
The Faraday horn with the Wheelock 7004t strobe model number is wrong, it's actually a Faraday 7004t.
Whenever I get that rare faraday horn strobe shown in the video that looks like a 2004t, I will replace the model number label on it, from 5505 to 7004t, which is a custom rare alarm. I will even rebrand the name Faraday to Wheelock too, so don't get too confused when I update it's brand logo and model number. I will keep the UL Label trademark shown.
They have a similar strobe but the horn is actually the same as a Simplex 2901-9833
Are those horns simplex 2901-9517's
Yes they are!
The AC faradays are now Simply Simplexes!
still kewl after 3 years
it's always the AC alarms that sound so harsh and loud
Clearly the fire alarm out sounds the smoke detectors
LOL I hate stucco ceiling, I like smooth drywall :D
every time you get an answer wrong on a gameshw
Lol
it would be scary if that sounded at night
I’d like to ask. If there is no control panel. Where did you hang your tag?
Battery powered
Probably wired together and plugged in, not battery powered.
heres the system:
Faraday 5505 horn/strobes running on 120vac
Wheelock 7004T-115
Those are some really cool really rare Faraday pull stations you were testing! Also isn't the model of those pull stations F1GG?
Ryan Woods Yes.
Those look like some old alarms and smoke detectors. I think I used to have those smoke detectors in my house but when my dad had to remove them and replace them, I lost it when her brought the topic up but i got over it. Great video
Great video!
I always wonder why they don’t use a panel for this one
The system is very old
Were the 5505s manufactured before or after the 7002?
the ac versions are different models but I would guess after since the 7000s are known for being the first fire alarms with xenon strobes which still haven’t quite been replaced with led yet
@@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness oh ok.
7002 came before the 5505, the 7002T/4T came after the 5505
@@theray2009 oh, ok
I like loud sounds like that.
What are the horns
These same stations are at my school but just with a back box and the handle is red.
A really odd system.. To me they look like old 7004ts. I dont know if the old 7004ts still run either on FWR or DC power. And if they do, was this FWR power?
Rare system
And nice appartment
@@lilclacla1610the apartment looks too new for a system like that
heh for every test of smoke alarm and fire alarm pull station test and alarm sound activation that would count as a point to the fire alarm tester technician
The alarms are sounding in A#, I just noticed that now!
Nice
Okay that's very loud.
These fire alarm is like my school 😂
those detectors 🤣
that system is sick
Pulls stations are faraday f1gt chevrons with white pull down handle with faraday horns and stoves and smokes are gentex smoke alarm
So it’s not automatic? Or is it? What happens when you pull 2 pull stations at the same time? How can this system be legal?
Those horn/strobes look like a rip off Wheelock 7002 series alarm
First off, this system was put in before NFPA mandated panels and system installations. Second, the system is a non latching system. Which means that the system doesn't stay in alarm once a device is tripped or activated. There's no panel that tells which device has activated plus it doesn't keep the alarms going once a device is activated and reset.
They sound like a scoreboard for basketball damn they are loud
Very old fire alarm system
What’s the model of those horns and why do they look like a 7002T/7004T?
Faraday 5505s running on ac
I love older systems but I hate it when they are high voltage. Also How exactly does the Gentex smoke set off the horn strobes? Is there some kind of high voltage relay connected to the standard AC?
7:51 perfect
At 9:18, it looked like an AC powered wheelock 7002T but it is actually a 7004T-115
@Marc Leslie I know. I wanted to say it resembles the 7002T by the way it looks. But it sounds obviously different, because the 60Hz A.C frequency pulses the sounder plate at 60Hz back and forth. So it makes a sound of 120Hz bc it is 60 times forward, and 60 times backward...well u get the idea here
And a 7002-115
Faraday 5505s
Nice fire alarm system
Wow that will certainly get ur attention
Do you know when this building was built?
God that sounds loud. hope you wore ear protection!
What kind of smoke detectors are those? Never seen them in a commercial fire alarm system, and what is a closed contact system?
Gentex 4-wire 120vac. Closed contact meaning the system is basically 1 circuit that when open from an initiating device completes the loop and activates the system. No panel work involved.
sounds like a vibratory horn, like the classic scoreboard or gameshow buzzer" LOL in the key of "B". haha, I'm a music guru :D
Yes, these buzzers are a different brand, but work the same way as many scoreboard buzzers.
Those faraday horns are Faraday 5505 (ac version model). I guess this is some rarer version that runs on ac or something. Sounds like it has a 4050 horn underneath it. Also are those gentex smoke detectors?
@Aidan M Cash (2023) i meant ac lol