It's rarely mentioned or shown nowadays, but one of best dystopian sci-fi films ever is Logan's Run. It takes the arguments for assisted dying to their logical conclusion.
I'm a Canadian, and alarmed by developments here. A thought recently crossed my mind, that there will inevitably be some doctors, advising the dying and their families, who will have NEVER seen a natural death. They will think death requires their intervention.
As a Canadian, we faced this head on while caring for my dying brother-in-law last year from his closest friends who - understandably didn’t want to see him suffer. By God’s grace we were given the words/ability to speak of God as author of life and perhaps most importantly- redemptive suffering. Roger ultimately died from the cancer in July. We were grateful for the months of prayerful preparation he had. Canada’s MAiD (medically assisted induced death) is becoming common, even romanticized. Continue to speak out - I have more words (reasonable arguments) now after listening here. Thank you 🙏
Euthanasia is definitely being used quite a lot, even in places where it is not legal. The latest experience for me was with my father. He died one year ago. He was 93 years of age. A few months before he died, his doctor asked him if he wanted to go to a home where they would put him to sleep and he would never wake up. My dad said "no." Fortunately, his brain was working; his body, however, was failing him. He went home and died peacefully in his bed, with no artificial treatment. I found out later from my brother who was living with him that hospice left morphine just in case my brother needed it for our dad. My brother was horrified that they would leave this medication with him. He never used it. We live in the USA and euthanasia is not legal where my dad lived.
Wow! That’s good to know but ghastly. I’m praying for you and your grieving heart. You’re in my eternal prayer basket. Be at Peace I’m sure God Himself heard this heroic choice for Life unto Eternal death and has rewarded your Dad abundantly. May he rest in Peace. “. May the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God, Rest in Peace.” Jesus, I Trust in You.
I'm having a medically assisted death this Friday 16th Feb 24.... It is not suicide, it is love and care from my family. I'm so glad Canada has this much needed opportunity. My Catholic priest is supportive.... England is still in the dark ages... Suffering is unnecessary. It's the family of the dying person who are sad. Dying without suffering is a gift you give to the ones you love.
This was excellent discussion. So needed once again. Thank you! As someone who works in healthcare it breaks my heart how so many devalue human life under the lie of the term healthcare.
Thanks so much for this discussion - if they ever get to introduce this, the disabled people's right to live will be in danger, as well as all sick and elderly. We should be fighting for the right to live, not the opportunity to be killed.
A way of being human gives glory to God…Dr. Ashenden said. My dad was moments from being sent to a homeless shelter after his family member had left him at the hospital. My dad has dementia. He wouldn’t have lasted the day in a homeless shelter. Send them off or poison them it’s euthanasia no matter how you look at it. I, by the grace of God, was contacted and went and picked him up and he’s as healthy as he can be and he’s just being a human being living a life that God gave him. The nurses and aides at the facility he’s in were tell me he’s doing well but he’s got dementia and some may not think that that is a quality of life they would choose but he’s actually thriving. Praise the Lord ✝️
The Orthodox Churches will agree with you. For myself I don t consider that I am a unit to be deleted for the convenience of administrations. So if I am not ,then other individuals are not units.
I am currently reading C S Lewis's 'The Problem of Pain'. I recommend it to EVERYONE. It is the pure logical discussion of all the issues that might be raised about suffering. Truly a life shaking book, as everything Lewis wrote, as fare as I have discerned.
Humanists harmonize ethics and morales - that means that what is acceptable is what you should do. Whereas traditionally what one should do is a higher standard than what is publicly acceptable.
Well done guys, that was a master class in critique, and well done Katherine for stating the Truth so simply and so powerfully. I feel so sorry for the Anglican community if this is the sort of shepherds they have, Rosie and Wendy, blind guides. God Bless
I'm with Dr. Ashendon: Ms. Bennett presents a perspective that is genuinely fresh in the public debate, that many people will have never heard. Most excellent!
in Canada, a trans woman from one of the reservations, didn't have access to the medication she needed. The government made assisted suicide readily available.
The richness and blessing of old age is also seen in Anna and Simeon in the temple at the presentation. They kept watch ,they pointed to Christ , prophesied and evangelized.They spent their time searching for the Saviour. They guarded the temple spiritually.
Ashenden: 'Like all lefties, Rosie doesn't have a decent argument so she resorts to ad hominum attacks.' One minute later, Ashenden: 'Rosie is not very bright'.
@@DrGAshenden It is hard to argue that claiming intellectual superiority in a discussion is done to edify the other person. But let's leave that to your conscience.
Law is pedagogical. Beautiful, I've not heard said like that. The pitfalls of empowering hospital personnel to murder - don't want 'physicians', administrators, insurance companies and the government becoming comfortable with murdering patients. The independence minded person demands a 'right', which is really a dark service, never considers the dangers to others , seems
Last year my father passed away, the year prior my aunt living with me. Caring for them their final months to their final day here: exhausting in every way except the most powerful I have felt His Spirit in my life. Moments, memories that carry me and I cherish . Until we meet again
25:00, from acceptance to tolerance to compulsion. How wonderfully surprising re WHO. I imagine not yet totally overrun by socialists. Sounds like most palliative care physicians prolife
Thank you for this insightful debate. I would like to add two important points. ONE when faith is absent from the human heart, we are dealing with hearts of stone incapable of love, duty, integrity and compassion. TWO suicide for whatever reason from a purely human perspective leaves a soul eligible for being cast into the outer darkness. We know God is merciful to those with mental illness; but these euthanasia discussions revolve around decisions made to end the inconvenience of dependence on others at end of life. This has to be of the greatest offense to Almighty God. There are pain relief methods for the pain.
The pro-death side, as every leftist I have ever heard, was full of distortions when not outright lying. I particularly was amused when Romsn Collar didn't like the comparison of the Nazis disrespect for human life, simply decares the position lost without responding to the substance of the argument in any way. She had no answer. An unrecognized surrender. But these are the folks that make public policy in democracies now-a-days.
Dying is giving access to the power of the cross, foolishness to the wise of this world but glorious to those who know our spiritual life and our existence in Christ 😏❤️
I am not pro euthanasia but don't gild the lily when you refer to the treatment of pain. Not all pain can be treated effectively. I work in palliative care. It weakens the palliation argument to make this claim.
Katherine was able to witness, at the interview, to the truth of the Gospel in a very powerful way. Our Faith is always reasonable, although, without the gift of the Holy Spirit, it is not always possible to see the reasonableness of the Faith. The truth here is very simple, once you see it. If you believe that God is love and that he who lives in love lives in God, then the gift of being able to show love to someone we love for as long as possible is a great gift both for us and for the dying loved one. I sympathise with Gavin. He wanted the father whom he loved to be with him for as long as possible. The fact that a doctor accidentally killed his father was not, as a crass person might have commented “a merciful release” because his father didn’t want to die and Gavin didn’t want him to die. In practice, we already have euthanasia. When a patient is nearing the inevitable end of his life and is in great pain and distress, the doctor will ask the family “would you like me to give him something to make him more comfortable.” The family usually understand this to be code for “would you like me to give him a fatal dose of morphine.” I have concerns about this practice. While a well educated family, fluent in English and familiar with medical etiquette would understand that the doctor is enquiring, obliquely, whether they would like him to bring the life of the patient to a premature end, a foreign family, not fluent in English and not understanding our customs might not understand what the doctor is saying and might simply nod in agreement to be polite. So, their loved one’s life could easily be ended prematurely without his consent, or theirs.
“Dying with dignity”, now there’s an oxymoron. The concept of dying with dignity is deeply rooted in the Christian belief that every human being possesses inherent worth and is created in the image and likeness of God. This dignity is not dependent on one's physical condition, abilities, or circumstances, but rather it is an intrinsic aspect of being human. Euthanasia, or Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD), is understood by Christians to be incompatible with this view of human dignity. Christian teaching asserts that human life is a gift from God and possesses inherent value from conception until natural death. Euthanasia and MAiD involve intentionally causing the death of a person, thereby directly attacking the sanctity of human life. This contradicts the fundamental belief that human life is sacred and inviolable, not to mention that it is a direct and intentional violation of God’s commandment not to kill. Euthanasia and MAiD usurp the authority of God as the ultimate arbiter of life and death. They imply that humans have the right to determine when and how life should end, disregarding the divine plan for each individual's life. God alone has the authority to determine the timing and circumstances of one’s death. There is always a moral obligation to respect and preserve human life, even in the face of suffering or terminal illness. With today’s modern medicine, pain can be managed. This includes providing appropriate palliative care to alleviate pain and promote comfort, while never intentionally causing death. Legalizing euthanasia and MAiD creates the risk of placing vulnerable individuals - the elderly, disabled, and those with mental health issues - at greater risk of undue pressure to end their lives. A culture that accepts euthanasia and MAiD may subtly erode the perception of the value of these individuals' lives. It is already beginning to happen. Accepting euthanasia or MAiD as an option for "dying with dignity" could lead to a dangerous moral slippery slope where the criteria for eligibility are expanded over time, potentially encompassing individuals who are not terminally ill or suffering imminently. This could pave the way for the devaluation of human life in broader society. In Canada, we are already beginning to see this happen with the expansion of the program to “accommodate” the mentally ill, and now provinces are beginning to exhort "infanticide” rhetoric to “save” handicapped babies from having to go through life “in their condition”. The emphasis on "dying with dignity" through euthanasia and MAiD might inadvertently overshadow the importance of providing comprehensive palliative care and support to individuals facing terminal illnesses. Christians believe in accompanying the dying with compassion and alleviating their suffering through ethical means. Legalizing euthanasia and MAiD can pose ethical conflicts for healthcare professionals who have taken an oath to preserve and protect life. Participation in euthanasia and MAiD can cause moral distress and undermine the trust patients place in medical professionals. Parts of Christendom place great emphasis on the eternal destiny of the soul. Suffering, when united with Christ's passion, can be offered for the salvation of one's soul and the souls of others. Euthanasia denies individuals the opportunity to offer their suffering for spiritual growth and redemption. I don’t believe "dying with dignity" is achieved through hastening death but through embracing the fullness of human life, including its joys and sufferings. Euthanasia and MAiD are seen as a direct attack on human life and God's sovereignty, contradicting this understanding of dignity and offering a distorted view of how to approach the end of life. Instead, Judeo-Christian tradition encourages compassionate care, alleviation of suffering, and spiritual preparation for the inevitable journey from this life to the next. At death, life is not over, it is only just beginning.
What part of the ten commandments does Rosie not understand? Your life is not your own - your Creator gave you life as an act of Grace/unconditional love. Maybe she has chosen the wrong vocation! I thought reading the bible was part of the course to become a vicar. Clearly not these days.
@ pg2hn3dc3g we are living in the time of a death cult. too sick _ die, too old _ die, unwanted 3rd trimester baby _ die, having mental problems _ die. why do we denigrate the Nazis when we're happy to do the same. I loved JP2 most at the end of his life when he was bent double, drooling etc., but still worked and showed himself in all his disability, which would have been confronting for many who, perhaps, werent used to seeing others in that state. he was still a human being even when not perfect . love your programme and all of you, from a 4 year old catholic...advanced, arent i.lol
I don't agree that a christian should not argue from his/her faith. God can speak for himself and not to allows yourself to speak with the Holy Spirit is to reduce the power of your argument by arguing within the lines drawn by the secularist lobby. But I understand why you avoided it.
Best episode yet! Well done, Mrs. Bennett!
It's rarely mentioned or shown nowadays, but one of best dystopian sci-fi films ever is Logan's Run. It takes the arguments for assisted dying to their logical conclusion.
I'm a Canadian, and alarmed by developments here. A thought recently crossed my mind, that there will inevitably be some doctors, advising the dying and their families, who will have NEVER seen a natural death. They will think death requires their intervention.
As a Canadian, we faced this head on while caring for my dying brother-in-law last year from his closest friends who - understandably didn’t want to see him suffer. By God’s grace we were given the words/ability to speak of God as author of life and perhaps most importantly- redemptive suffering. Roger ultimately died from the cancer in July. We were grateful for the months of prayerful preparation he had. Canada’s MAiD (medically assisted induced death) is becoming common, even romanticized. Continue to speak out - I have more words (reasonable arguments) now after listening here. Thank you 🙏
You are spoiling us with 2 episodes in quick succession. Thank you 😊
Euthanasia is definitely being used quite a lot, even in places where it is not legal. The latest experience for me was with my father. He died one year ago. He was 93 years of age. A few months before he died, his doctor asked him if he wanted to go to a home where they would put him to sleep and he would never wake up. My dad said "no." Fortunately, his brain was working; his body, however, was failing him. He went home and died peacefully in his bed, with no artificial treatment. I found out later from my brother who was living with him that hospice left morphine just in case my brother needed it for our dad. My brother was horrified that they would leave this medication with him. He never used it. We live in the USA and euthanasia is not legal where my dad lived.
Wow! That’s good to know but ghastly. I’m praying for you and your grieving heart. You’re in my eternal prayer basket.
Be at Peace I’m sure God Himself heard this heroic choice for Life unto Eternal death and has rewarded your Dad abundantly. May he rest in Peace. “. May the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God, Rest in Peace.” Jesus, I Trust in You.
❤❤❤❤
The doctor and nurse should have been reported to the Medical Board.
I'm having a medically assisted death this Friday 16th Feb 24.... It is not suicide, it is love and care from my family. I'm so glad Canada has this much needed opportunity. My Catholic priest is supportive.... England is still in the dark ages... Suffering is unnecessary. It's the family of the dying person who are sad. Dying without suffering is a gift you give to the ones you love.
God forgive you.
This was excellent discussion. So needed once again. Thank you! As someone who works in healthcare it breaks my heart how so many devalue human life under the lie of the term healthcare.
Thank you
It's all about fear isn't it? Shocking to see a person in clerics arguing for assisted suicide .
This was brilliant. So grateful for you all. We will be facing this in the US as well. So helpful to hear your arguments. 🙏🙏
Keep asking for our temples back. It does my heart good to hear you say that they should return Catholic buildings to the church that built them
Thanks so much for this discussion - if they ever get to introduce this, the disabled people's right to live will be in danger, as well as all sick and elderly. We should be fighting for the right to live, not the opportunity to be killed.
A way of being human gives glory to God…Dr. Ashenden said. My dad was moments from being sent to a homeless shelter after his family member had left him at the hospital. My dad has dementia. He wouldn’t have lasted the day in a homeless shelter. Send them off or poison them it’s euthanasia no matter how you look at it. I, by the grace of God, was contacted and went and picked him up and he’s as healthy as he can be and he’s just being a human being living a life that God gave him. The nurses and aides at the facility he’s in were tell me he’s doing well but he’s got dementia and some may not think that that is a quality of life they would choose but he’s actually thriving. Praise the Lord ✝️
The Orthodox Churches will agree with you. For myself I don t consider that I am a unit to be deleted for the convenience of administrations. So if I am not ,then other individuals are not units.
Great job! Really appreciate your vids!
I am currently reading C S Lewis's 'The Problem of Pain'.
I recommend it to EVERYONE. It is the pure logical discussion of all the issues that might be raised about suffering. Truly a life shaking book, as everything Lewis wrote, as fare as I have discerned.
Well done Katherine, really. You shone a very bright beacon of truth in that debate.
Love what you do here. Godspeed!
Humanists harmonize ethics and morales - that means that what is acceptable is what you should do. Whereas traditionally what one should do is a higher standard than what is publicly acceptable.
Well done guys, that was a master class in critique, and well done Katherine for stating the Truth so simply and so powerfully. I feel so sorry for the Anglican community if this is the sort of shepherds they have, Rosie and Wendy, blind guides. God Bless
Rosie and Wendy? Aren’t they characters from a children’s story? Or was it Rosie and Jim?
Thank You.
I'm with Dr. Ashendon: Ms. Bennett presents a perspective that is genuinely fresh in the public debate, that many people will have never heard. Most excellent!
in Canada, a trans woman from one of the reservations, didn't have access to the medication she needed. The government made assisted suicide readily available.
As a South Australian, this state has already lost this battle, in the name of being progressive.
Very helpful. Well done to you all.
The richness and blessing of old age is also seen in Anna and Simeon in the temple at the presentation. They kept watch ,they pointed to Christ , prophesied and evangelized.They spent their time searching for the Saviour. They guarded the temple spiritually.
Notice, the tv discussion is in a fake room. Those windows are not real. It's a studio, not a living room. They lie in their very presentation!
Rosie’s Law, Andrew’s Law…….Murphy’s Law??? 2:34
Ashenden: 'Like all lefties, Rosie doesn't have a decent argument so she resorts to ad hominum attacks.' One minute later, Ashenden: 'Rosie is not very bright'.
Is that ad hominem, or just analytically descriptive ? ‘Rosie is a **** would be an hominem.
@@DrGAshenden It is hard to argue that claiming intellectual superiority in a discussion is done to edify the other person. But let's leave that to your conscience.
Law is pedagogical. Beautiful, I've not heard said like that. The pitfalls of empowering hospital personnel to murder - don't want 'physicians', administrators, insurance companies and the government becoming comfortable with murdering patients. The independence minded person demands a 'right', which is really a dark service, never considers the dangers to others , seems
Last year my father passed away, the year prior my aunt living with me. Caring for them their final months to their final day here: exhausting in every way except the most powerful I have felt His Spirit in my life. Moments, memories that carry me and I cherish . Until we meet again
25:00, from acceptance to tolerance to compulsion. How wonderfully surprising re WHO. I imagine not yet totally overrun by socialists. Sounds like most palliative care physicians prolife
38:00 powerful. Dignity
Thank you for this insightful debate. I would like to add two important points. ONE when faith is absent from the human heart, we are dealing with hearts of stone incapable of love, duty, integrity and compassion. TWO suicide for whatever reason from a purely human perspective leaves a soul eligible for being cast into the outer darkness. We know God is merciful to those with mental illness; but these euthanasia discussions revolve around decisions made to end the inconvenience of dependence on others at end of life. This has to be of the greatest offense to Almighty God. There are pain relief methods for the pain.
The pro-death side, as every leftist I have ever heard, was full of distortions when not outright lying. I particularly was amused when Romsn Collar didn't like the comparison of the Nazis disrespect for human life, simply decares the position lost without responding to the substance of the argument in any way. She had no answer. An unrecognized surrender.
But these are the folks that make public policy in democracies now-a-days.
Dying is giving access to the power of the cross, foolishness to the wise of this world but glorious to those who know our spiritual life and our existence in Christ 😏❤️
I am not pro euthanasia but don't gild the lily when you refer to the treatment of pain. Not all pain can be treated effectively. I work in palliative care. It weakens the palliation argument to make this claim.
I agree entirely with you. And thank you for commenting as an expert.
Katherine was able to witness, at the interview, to the truth of the Gospel in a very powerful way. Our Faith is always reasonable, although, without the gift of the Holy Spirit, it is not always possible to see the reasonableness of the Faith. The truth here is very simple, once you see it. If you believe that God is love and that he who lives in love lives in God, then the gift of being able to show love to someone we love for as long as possible is a great gift both for us and for the dying loved one. I sympathise with Gavin. He wanted the father whom he loved to be with him for as long as possible. The fact that a doctor accidentally killed his father was not, as a crass person might have commented “a merciful release” because his father didn’t want to die and Gavin didn’t want him to die. In practice, we already have euthanasia. When a patient is nearing the inevitable end of his life and is in great pain and distress, the doctor will ask the family “would you like me to give him something to make him more comfortable.” The family usually understand this to be code for “would you like me to give him a fatal dose of morphine.” I have concerns about this practice. While a well educated family, fluent in English and familiar with medical etiquette would understand that the doctor is enquiring, obliquely, whether they would like him to bring the life of the patient to a premature end, a foreign family, not fluent in English and not understanding our customs might not understand what the doctor is saying and might simply nod in agreement to be polite. So, their loved one’s life could easily be ended prematurely without his consent, or theirs.
“Dying with dignity”, now there’s an oxymoron. The concept of dying with dignity is deeply rooted in the Christian belief that every human being possesses inherent worth and is created in the image and likeness of God. This dignity is not dependent on one's physical condition, abilities, or circumstances, but rather it is an intrinsic aspect of being human. Euthanasia, or Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD), is understood by Christians to be incompatible with this view of human dignity.
Christian teaching asserts that human life is a gift from God and possesses inherent value from conception until natural death. Euthanasia and MAiD involve intentionally causing the death of a person, thereby directly attacking the sanctity of human life. This contradicts the fundamental belief that human life is sacred and inviolable, not to mention that it is a direct and intentional violation of God’s commandment not to kill.
Euthanasia and MAiD usurp the authority of God as the ultimate arbiter of life and death. They imply that humans have the right to determine when and how life should end, disregarding the divine plan for each individual's life. God alone has the authority to determine the timing and circumstances of one’s death.
There is always a moral obligation to respect and preserve human life, even in the face of suffering or terminal illness. With today’s modern medicine, pain can be managed. This includes providing appropriate palliative care to alleviate pain and promote comfort, while never intentionally causing death.
Legalizing euthanasia and MAiD creates the risk of placing vulnerable individuals - the elderly, disabled, and those with mental health issues - at greater risk of undue pressure to end their lives. A culture that accepts euthanasia and MAiD may subtly erode the perception of the value of these individuals' lives. It is already beginning to happen.
Accepting euthanasia or MAiD as an option for "dying with dignity" could lead to a dangerous moral slippery slope where the criteria for eligibility are expanded over time, potentially encompassing individuals who are not terminally ill or suffering imminently. This could pave the way for the devaluation of human life in broader society. In Canada, we are already beginning to see this happen with the expansion of the program to “accommodate” the mentally ill, and now provinces are beginning to exhort "infanticide” rhetoric to “save” handicapped babies from having to go through life “in their condition”.
The emphasis on "dying with dignity" through euthanasia and MAiD might inadvertently overshadow the importance of providing comprehensive palliative care and support to individuals facing terminal illnesses. Christians believe in accompanying the dying with compassion and alleviating their suffering through ethical means.
Legalizing euthanasia and MAiD can pose ethical conflicts for healthcare professionals who have taken an oath to preserve and protect life. Participation in euthanasia and MAiD can cause moral distress and undermine the trust patients place in medical professionals.
Parts of Christendom place great emphasis on the eternal destiny of the soul. Suffering, when united with Christ's passion, can be offered for the salvation of one's soul and the souls of others. Euthanasia denies individuals the opportunity to offer their suffering for spiritual growth and redemption.
I don’t believe "dying with dignity" is achieved through hastening death but through embracing the fullness of human life, including its joys and sufferings. Euthanasia and MAiD are seen as a direct attack on human life and God's sovereignty, contradicting this understanding of dignity and offering a distorted view of how to approach the end of life. Instead, Judeo-Christian tradition encourages compassionate care, alleviation of suffering, and spiritual preparation for the inevitable journey from this life to the next. At death, life is not over, it is only just beginning.
What part of the ten commandments does Rosie not understand? Your life is not your own - your Creator gave you life as an act of Grace/unconditional love. Maybe she has chosen the wrong vocation! I thought reading the bible was part of the course to become a vicar. Clearly not these days.
@ pg2hn3dc3g we are living in the time of a death cult. too sick _ die, too old _ die, unwanted 3rd trimester baby _ die, having mental problems _ die. why do we denigrate the Nazis when we're happy to do the same. I loved JP2 most at the end of his life when he was bent double, drooling etc., but still worked and showed himself in all his disability, which would have been confronting for many who, perhaps, werent used to seeing others in that state. he was still a human being even when not perfect . love your programme and all of you, from a 4 year old catholic...advanced, arent i.lol
I don't agree that a christian should not argue from his/her faith. God can speak for himself and not to allows yourself to speak with the Holy Spirit is to reduce the power of your argument by arguing within the lines drawn by the secularist lobby. But I understand why you avoided it.